>>53880991 ethnic tensions with the albos or something else? I understand your elections are hardly """transparent""" and remember something about phone-tapping/protests that hit our news a few years ago?
>>53881261 US also listens in on the phone calls of their citizens but no one gives a shit honestly... i dont support grujo but the alternative is shit too, and ethnic tensions are a way of life here, but nothing serious will happen out of the election thing, that guy is dumb
>>53881449 its disgusting how the former gommie party (alternative to grujo) protests had as many alboshit, turkshit, and gypsyshit flags as ours, but the VMRO protest ( pro-grujo, which was bigger ) had only our flags, that triggered me, fuck the gommies
>>53881480 >elections happen >vmro wins >sdsm accept it because they have no choice end
I took a "ice cold" shower today, the coldest possible set and it felt ok, the 1st minute is a bit of a shock but the whole thing feels like swimming in some lake. You get used to it by minute 3, rest is nothing.
>>53881913 As of now there won't be an election in the proper sense. SDSM and the others are not going to participate. You can treat such kind of elections pretty much the same way as the """elections""" in ex-communist countries. >EU will drop their support if vmro does win a fair election The thing is, even the EU considers there are no conditions for fair elections as things stand now. And considering that VMRO will have to make massive concessions, and thus lose a great deal of influence in the media and the government in order to have fair elections per the demands of SDSM, it's not going to happen since they are not going to let power be taken away from them at any cost. Thus we are back at square 1, as it was, before SDSM started publishing the phone calls. In this case since no peaceful resolution is possible between government which doesn't want to let hold of power by any means necessary and the opposition, one can easily see the possibility of confrontation inevitable.
>>53882451 well, people from cluj think anyway they are better than everybody, they're not peasants like moldovians and turks like those from bucharest. The best way to deal with them is to talk fast and make fun of their accent, it always makes them mad.
>>53882768 >there is no one willing to fight for sdsm/vmro shitflinging There is the police which will have to act on orders. There are the party loyalists on both sides, in the case of VMRO who will also have to act on orders as they have done so obediently until now.
>only way conflict is possible is if shiptarshits get involved You seem to forget that Zaev still holds the wiretaps and he hasn't released even 1% of those regarding the Albanian factor. If things continue like that he will do so and make use of the Albanians as "cannon fodder" considering we know their propensity for violence.
>>53883115 if we weren't in NATO or the EU, you would've been liberated by now. Either by us or the russians. Now it's really compicated, if we send the army, I don't believe the russians will retaliate, but miss merkel and friends will be mad. The murricans will help us, but it would send us in some shit with the rest of europe and the russians will try to take advantage. Actually Moldova may be turn out to be one of the reasons for WW3
>>53883017 >>53883108 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14I20qp1On0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W0L-v2NlRk this is the best /balk/ rap I've heard that is non romanian. don't know what they're saying but it just sounds great, and the video is just quality.
>>53883276 >he hasn't released even 1% of those regarding the Albanian factor The Albanian party will be a partner to whomever wins the election. They will benefit from this situation. It's exactly what the Turkish party used to do that here--they would get a relatively small amount of Parliament seats, but they would sell those to the highest bidder.
>>53883335 seeing as you agree with his post>>53882740 you either call yourself superstitious because you agree with us or you are retarded because you dont realise it that you agree with us on the benefits of cold showers
>>53883427 I like the way they integrate the balkan sound as the riddim. Keeps it real. Quite good stuff even though I'm not massive on that sound. On that note I saw some 'balkan beats' in an East London warehouse a few years ago... DJ + strings + brass band. Kind of epic. Might have been the pillz tho lol. Any of you lads ever do Ecstasy? (Not sure if it's a thing there...)
>>53883352 >you mean like it happened a while ago? that wasnt serious It wasn't serious then because it was a testing ground and a form of initial pressure but it failed to work in public "mobilisation" enough though it brought the government to the negotiating table. Since that option has been exhausted there is no point in trying the same thing again. Therefore, a full "assault" until "complete capitulation" by the government will follow until that doesn't happen. And, as I said, in this case the Albanians will be brought in.
>go imas gifot so kontenjerot? No.
>>53883458 Read above, as I said the opposition parties are not going to participate in the elections as it stands now. Both the Albanian partner (DUI) of Gruyo and the DPA """""opposition"""" (whose leader we heard on the phone taps that he "swears loyalty until death" to Gruyo's cousin who headed the secret police before his resignation) are controlled/sided with VMRO. Second, DUI is now falling apart. Prominent members of their party have resigned/publicly stated opposition to the party stance in siding with VMRO and so forth. Third, Albanians have been disillusioned with both Albanian parties that in recent months (or since last year) there's been a good deal of them that have acquired membership in SDSM. Fourth, Albanians do not care about anything except EU/NATO and Zaev is the cuck who is willing to deliver that to them.
>>53883830 nah but everyone in their 20s smoke weed here, literally everyone and it's so easy to get. sometimes I see someone sniff coke at a private party but its rare, people look at hard drugs like sniffing glue. all the party drugs mdma stuff is not popular outside festivals
>>53884120 weed is ok, hardly degenerate, even tho i dont smoke it myself, i dont give a fuck >>53884039 zaev wont be able to get us in EU/NATO rofl, albos are retarded, idk who they want to support now, they should just fuck off to kosovo
>>53884284 because he won't be able to change name without referendum, otherwise there will be a bigger shitstorm than weve experienced so far with the elections, and EU will see that, and as u know referendum will fail, GREECE must budge for us to enter EU m8 or else its not happening.
>>53883518 I kind of agree with >>53883964 no offence. A song can be good from the lyrics also though, which is obviously lost on me.
>>53883959 Yea-boi! Getting a bit old for that stuff but have a fat dutch pressed pill (200~mg) sitting here, staring at me after the last rave :/ probably go out 2-3 times a year now.. Tempted to munch it on my own but I can't really see the appeal.
>>53883959 >>53884075 >E >Narcotic :( Coke is evil imo. Ecstasy is a legitimately good drug (if it's clean) as long as you don't over do it. Hope you guys get the chance at some point tbqh. Glad to hear you guys blaze though. What's the going price?
>>53884339 >because he won't be able to change name without referendum I have no idea where you get this. Referendum has only been promised by Gruyo to absolve himself from the responsibility and lie to the people that "it's what they wanted so I gave it to them". It is not required to make the decision itself and it can be passed by parliament.
>otherwise there will be a bigger shitstorm than weve experienced so far with the elections, and EU will see that, and as u know referendum will fail Just as the one on the administrative reorganization in 2004 "failed", no?
>>53884257 Nah, although that's cool. More like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ5iww4SRgg or Parov Stelar (if you've heard of him) but as I said it was a full brass band + strings + DJ in an East London warehouse. Pretty fun evening.
>>53884599 bruh no one wants to change the name other than the shqips, most people are losing faith in EU in general, let alone to be willing to change the name to enter some crumbling alliance, it won't be changed under zaev.
>>53884528 I don't know about that though, everytime we get mentioned in the NATO we are told that we should speed up the name problem etc., so for me I think that that IS the main problem, given the fact that opposition's leaders said that if they get the office they will get us into EU in a matter of weeks (or months), which it's kinda fishy you got to admit
>>53884454 bro if you're not installing from shell then why install kali.. You need to know your way around to get the most from that environment. Start with ubuntu and go from there. personally (I do 'websites' for a living) I have ubuntu on my servers and shit too.. Which is how I've learned my way around linux. Documentation is good and it 'just werks' as they like to meme on /g/. Still uber n00b tho.
>>53884467 Fair enough m8. Alcohol is pretty destructive actually. I have all-but quit it now. I would (genuinely) class MDMA as different however. Makes you very empathetic and introspective without any risk of death, a 'bad trip', 'flashbacks' etc. that scares people off shrooms and acid.
>>53884471 Weed much cheaper, MD similar prices. Fair.
>>53884708 [approved post] listened to this many times.
>>53884916 chill out Romania. It's pretty cool, and yes it's what we think of when we say 'Balkan beats'.. And is what that hiphop made me think of
>>53884837 I still don't agree with you though, because Zoki (which is kind of a 'big player' in all of this beacuse of his status, leader of the opposition) said we should bend our spine when it comes to the name dispute, at the end of the day I am against entering EU and NATO, but we're pushed from all of our neighbors when it comes to that
>>53884671 >bruh no one wants to change the name other than the shqips And they'll ALL vote for it since it'll be considered as a referendum on the EU itself. Just consider that 240k Albanians actually voted in the elections 2014. Add to those the 280k that voted for SDSM, and you get 520k that will vote yes. Thus you have these half a million, against 480k for VMRO which will be oposed to it. And just take in consideration the fact that VMRO achieved these results by doing shady stuff in the background. Even now, you have 40k people more. If you remove the ability of VMRO to manipulate that number might even grow larger.
>>53884911 They unironically think they were migrated there by the Ottomans back in 14th century. They think their ancestors are karamanit turks not gypsy macedons. Still they're cool though, if you get pass my autism they are really nice people. ( their music sucks though ) >>53884955 >romanian >stating that I'm a gypsy Bhahahahhahahahaa nice meme
>>53884961 if they had em they would be leaked, the shqips that got jailed aren't innocent
>>53885014 zaev can say what ever he wants, we won't change name, the people dont want it, they're losing faith in EU more and more each day as well, if EU wants us in, they pressure greece, if not, i dont give a fuck, we dont need it
>>53885119 it won't get passed, majority will never vote for it, handful of sdsm cucks might but it wont change the result
>>53885161 I agree with you on that though, that the people wont be lied to for second time, like in the reign of Branko, propaganda was so good made the people think the name changing was a good thing, god damn...
>>53885244 EU and NATO aren't a big deal, Croatia got into EU and shit hasn't changed at all, EU is only good for people who can afford to travel in the first place, most can't, it won't fix our problems
>>53885161 >the shqips that got jailed aren't innocent Zaev & co claimed otherwise, did that publicly, and said that this will come to light when they publish the wire-taps. They still haven't published them and guess why. Exactly because of the possibility that Gruyo will not go down by his own will. When they actually do that it'll be done with the purpose to mobilise the Albanians to go out on the streets against the government (even violently).
the name problem is 99% of the issue from my limited understanding reading english language stuff today. but fair play for not having any faith or giving a shit enough to change. the greeks are a stubborn/proud people so it would have to I reckon for membership to happen.
>>53885311 Croatia is reaping tourist bux big time. I know it always has, to an extent, but I mean ££ not just German money now. EU is actually good for anybody who can speak language of somewhere they want to move...
>>53885311 Macedonia getting in EU, will bring almost if not the same result it brought to Bulgaria, that is losing major parts of the population due to 'moving' to other countries, I agree that we're losing population the same way (and albos are too) even now when we're not in the EU but the number will double, triple or more if we actually do get in which is suicidal for the country
>>53885401 >Zaev & co claimed otherwise, did that publicly, and said that this will come to light when they publish the wire-taps. I thought they gave all the wiretapped conversations The Might Special One?
>>53885553 I said that IF he did have proofs, he would publish them because he doesnt give a fuck if he causes chaos with the shqips, he would literally do anything to get in power, he doesnt give a fuck if protesting shqips cause property damage
>>53885636 >I said that IF he did have proofs He stated he has them. >he would publish them because he doesnt give a fuck if he causes chaos with the shqips, he would literally do anything to get in power, he doesnt give a fuck if protesting shqips cause property damage He GIVES a fuck because he wants to USE that chaos so he can get into power. He doesn't want to cause chaos just because so. I have no idea what's the point in discussing with you when you can't see elementary things like this.
>>53885811 he was bluffing, he does not, otherwise he would have ALREADY released them dude, i doubt he'll have an opportunity in the future?? if anything he'll have an even lower opportunity of getting in power if grujo does win the future election
Dude your country is going full suicide right now. The demographic issue here isn't really exodus, mostly gypsies and turks leave, which is a good thing. The issue is the birth rate. Not only here, the worst birth rates in Europe are the ones of 'rich' countries like Germany. It's not money related but more like women want careers etc. EU actually does many good things, mostly it opens markets for big corporations entering. Now it's true, they come to save money with lower wages, but in Sofia alone 100.000 jobs are created from such companies and they pay av. 1300 eur and more, which is enough to live ok here. Not to mention all the additional jobs created by all western chains, Ikea, Lidl...you name it. Imo Macedonia won't survive without entering the EU...
>>53886180 Sorry I'm being rude, but it's true, there was news recently that Cameroon hid the actual number of immigrants in the UK and France already has millions of them (not the immigrants from today's wave). That's why UK and France have that birth rate, many immigrants have 5-6-7-8 kids
Dude people here complain to be poor whilst we are 50% richer than you and at the same time another 50% don't declare their real income. I can't imagine what itd be in Macedonia in terms of money but it sure as hell sucks I guess. There are 50.000 macedonians between 19-30 yrs old living here, most obtained citizenship even. Considering your white population is just like 1.1M these 50k of mostly educated young people make a difference. Then again I guess Bulgaria isn't their first destination so surely another 200k are on the run from Mkd. That's what I call a serious brain drain dude. You cannot offer those people a perspective without proper jobs and proper pay. And this won't happen without you entering the EU.
>>53886331 our neighbors greece: was rich since ages ago bulgaria: better than us, getting better, samo napred serbia: same tier, same problems, same wealth albania: rofl, even we are 1st world in comparison to most of it
were fine in that regard I think, 2 (or 3 if you count the NATO base as a country) of our neighbors are also not in EU
>>53886390 same thing will happen IF we enter EU bruv, so idk, its kinda fucked
>>53885890 There is NO ELECTION as things stand now, get it? The opposition has stated that to participate in elections they demand reforms. The reforms they propose demand MAJOR concessions by the government which they DO NOT AGREE with and will not give them away. IF there are no REAL elections, and as of now it seems there won't be, SDSM will go back to publish even more things. Among those things they'll publish will be wire-taps regarding the Albanian sphere of things in order to get them out on the street and USE THEM to bring the government down even with force if necessary, since the things they published and the protests that followed merely brought the government to negotiate with the hope that they'll make it pull out. Since they refuse to pull out and the negotiations have now almost failed, SDSM will have to resort to HARSHER tactics. I cannot comprehend how one cannot see this.
You are small and therefore you have a big advantage, you just need 1-2 specific markets to get established so that a good chunk of the population can live decent. Issue with you not being in the EU is, they'd (companies) need to pay bigger taxes and don't have guaranteed law security due to unified laws. So they stay away. I know you guys think Russia is a friend and so on, maybe Russians are, but their politicians aren't and never been. Here for ex the Russian companies (few of them which managed to actually survive in a competitive environment) don't pay taxes. They don't declare winnings at all. Can you imagine this? None of them pays taxes. Why? Because they fake their tax statements and steal. Then you have parties and media financed by Russia in order for them to still keep some influence. The price for that is hindering Bulgaria to develop faster and to develop more independent from them. They are cancer man, sure the eu is far from perfect, but I take it over Russia a million times desu
>>53886902 interesting, but grujo brags 24/7 about lowering taxes a shitton for foreign businesses to come, also we like no natural resources, were like moldova in that retard, only with a bit more industry, other than that, agriculture central, i dont see how we can live decently without any resources, what industry will develop here? greeks have their tourism, we dont even have sea to export shit
>>53887018 that's a fair point. no agricultural land really, either (may be wrong with this.) the thing is tho it's difficult to incentivise business incl. industry when tariffs etc. apply.. which changes when EU membership comes into play (meaning investment happens ahead of schedule.) I think, looking at photos though, that tourism is underrated in your country regardless.
>>53886598 >There is NO ELECTION as things stand now, get it? why not though, it's democracy, if one party does not want to go to elections, then it's their problem, and I think you're over exaggerating the power of Zoki to be honest, as far as the wire tappings go, they didn't change the behavior of the people towards the govt, and yes I agree that if he does release other wiretapped conversations that will be no good thing for the security, but if they RELEASE new conversations he would be going against the Special's One law that suggests that he must bring everything he has to her
>>53887156 no kek >>53887148 slovenia is in an amazing spot, they also have a port, they also have a shitton of industry, for example gorenje a top european brand, is slovenian, among many others, their mentality itself is better than ours, they had a railway since 19th century thanks to austrians, they were advanced as fuck and ahead of us since then, not to mention they border croatia, italy and austria while we... albania we wish we were slovenia :(
>>53887183 we have a lot of agricultural land actually, even on the mountains its filled with vineyards, it doesnt matter tho, moldova also export a ton of wine, and it doesnt do them jack shit, they're still zimbabwe tier economically, we can never compete with greece or croatia in tourists sadly, at least they like our statues https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvedh3T8kNA
garbage. London does have a lot of opportunity, even more so than a huge chunk of the developed new world. I'd reckon you guys will be better off than continental europe for a long time, as long as the EU migrant ship doesn't drag you down too much. If you can manage to cut a sweet deal with Brussels to restrict internal EU migration to Britain and re-establish sweet immigration deals for the commonwealth, you'll be set for good. Then make the transition to automation, bam.
What mostly stops young people from immigrating to the west isn't even the increasing wealth and perspective. It's that you aren't a special snowflake anymore if you live in Germany. One can travel whereever he wants and with everything in terms of goods available here one isn't the big chief in his village when coming back with a 2nd hand Mercedes like 25 years ago. People loose interest, they travel to study and as tourists. Now I love Europe and I love travelling but I'd never move away here, the perspective in terms of career is just bigger here. Not to mention that here you can be yourself and openly hate everything different than Bulgarians, whilst the west becomes multicultural and growing into countries without identity.
>>53887314 well a good thing is I see lots of young people who say they want to stay home I guess, idk, it would be good to enter the EU, but I don't want to change name for it, we should just bribe the greeks with 5 sandwiches
>>53887303 I think you're underestimating the problems we have here. Not just a meme, we are full. Where I grew up (Surrey btw not far from Hants border for sake of other UK poster) the roads are ridiculously busy compared to where they were 10 years ago. We have no real economy apart from service, retail, property (my parents bought their house for £80k in the 80s ---> £1.2m today) and it all seems artificial as fuck. South America is a long way from Russia, UK, middle east and has very little soil erosion... Just gimmie a couple of acres man, I just wanna grow budz and live out my days in peace :) no stress.... #fantasies
>>53887528 I agree with most UKIP standpoints, you're in a bit of a tough situation. Like it's in your best interest to stay aligned/working with France and Germany but not giving culturally close countries like Aus/Nz/Cad the privilege to move freely over eastern europe is a bit retarded. Also your taxes must be crazy on a 2 mil $ property kek.
On another note, I just prefer north america to south america, the same sweeping landscapes but they have people you can actually resonate with. There's something repelling about latin-new world culture.
SOMEBODY ONCE TOLD ME THE LEFT WAS GONNA TROLL ME I AM THE BIGGEST KEK ON THE SHED
I WAS LOOKING KIND OF DUMB WITH A PENIS IN MY BUM FROM A SOMALI GUY NAMED AHMED
WELL THE NIGS START COMING AND THEY DON'T STOP COMING I SWALLOW MY BALLS AND I HIT THE SHED RUNNING DIDN'T MAKE SENSE, WHO COULD BE BEHIND THIS I THOUGHT ISLAM WAS A RELIGION OF PEACE SO MUCH TO SUCK, SO MUCH TO LICK, SO WHAT'S WRONG WITH HOUSING REFUGEES? YOU'LL NEVER DRINK ALL OF THEIR SEED I WILL BECAUSE I'M A SWEDE
HEY NOW, YOU'RE A SWEDECUK, PREP THE BULL FOR AHMED HEY NOW, LOOK AT HIM GO, WITH YOUR GIRL IN YOUR BED NOW YOUR COUNTRY'S A MESS BUT YOU ARE IN EUROPE, GOTTA SAY YES
>>53888132 The taxes aren't actually any more than I pay for the 2 bedroom flat that I share in London. Just shy of £2k per year. The thing that's crazy about it, is that if my Mum died tomorrow and I split the inheritance (that includes some other stuff also) I'll barely be able to buy a 2 bedroom flat in London.. Whereas I could buy QT landz overseas.. As long as currency/western civilisation doesn't collapse in the mean time at least.
I've spent quite a bit of time in the States and actually the culture shock might surprise you. It does me every time -- get caught off caught cos of the language!
>>53888468 You want me to take a picture of my skin or some shit? I'll pass. I know there's barely any Danish posters on /int/, which is weird considering how many fucking Swedes and Norwegians there are.
>>53888706 >I don't know anon, much of the immigrants unsurprisingly have good command of english language Well you sure don't. And no, they're fucking shit at it. How would you know anyway, you don't live here?
>>53888728 Are you just going to shitpost indefinitely towards everyone who's Danish because that faggot from the picture?
>>53888938 >Are you just going to shitpost indefinitely towards everyone who's Danish because that faggot from the picture? Yes because there's no reason a Dane would come in /balk/ unless he's a toilet cleaning diaspora.
>>53888361 But you do literally have the most expensive real estate market on the planet? It makes NYC seem affordable. I've heard good things about tech city and the shoreditch area, you can probably snatch something out there before it gentrifies to west end levels kek.
>>53888938 >How do you know they're Hungarian? by the way the male is dressed and groomed. In general gypsy women all dress the same, but the male, tries to look/dress as much as his host country, because he is the one that conducts business
>>53889074 lol. Shoreditch is gentrified as fuck. I lived there in 2010 - I now live about 4-5 miles up the road from there which is rapidly going the same why..
Why SA - because I'm a hippy and I like the idea of being self-sustaining (farming/homesteading) realistically it's a dumb idea and won't happen. Also I'm a massive tinfoil kind of person and it's far away from anything that could go wrong geopolitically speaking.. Low soil erosion (check) miles away from anywhere (check) actually incentivising immigration without £millions (check)
>>53889222 >but I still can't wrap my head around why would a dane stay in /balk/ I know how much balkanfags hate each other and spew their WE WUZ KANGS AND SHIET, it's funny. You're basically asking my why I'm here being entertained, I mean how am I supposed to answer that?
>>53889227 Stay away from the bigger cities favæ. You don't want to risk getting shanked and robbed by the immies. You'd probably be most welcome on Sjælland if I had to guess, even if you look like a gypsy(if you actually do).
>>53889405 >Stay away from the bigger cities favæ. You don't want to risk getting shanked and robbed by the immies. You'd probably be most welcome on Sjælland if I had to guess, even if you look like a gypsy(if you actually do).
>tfw want to make the westerncuck mad by telling him I want to move in his country so he can fuck off from the thread >he actually responds in a normal, although slightly insulting, manner
>self-sustaining (farming/homesteading) realistically it's a dumb idea
I can see what you're aiming at but you'll go crazy trying to live out in the middle of nowhere, especially coming from London. Not that it's pragmatically possible. Consider marrying some NZ girl so you don't have to throw millions for a way in, these latin countries are too volatile, like look at the Argentine depression 98-02. One minute it's fine, the next a militia breaks into your house and takes you for everything you got because the currency went to shit and there's nothing to eat.
I'm curious though, what's it like growing up in the UK? Did you get bullied by shitskins at school, that kind of thing?
>>53889916 I didn't grow up in London tho, it's only 50km away but feels very different. You're right about the volatility however.. I can't really explain what it is but I just feel sad here, want to experience something different before I get too old or kids etc. Hence coming to your landz this summer also, something totally different that's on my doorstep.
Anyway. Growing up there were basically no shitskins. I went to 2 primary schools and 2 secondary schools (being before 'high school' -- I left school at 16.. I guess middle school.) In my first primary school there was a moroccan and a pakistani and I remember being vaguely scared of them because they were different lolz. None at 2nd primary school. Maybe 1-2 black kids at secondary. That's it. We did have gypsies but not what you think of - more like these guys: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eaLsvusF7s -- Irish """"travellers""""
Anyway it was different then to how it is now, and also it's not easy here but it's in a different way to the difficulties you feel I guess.. I dunno! I know people that earn £2000 a month here that struggle. Seems strange perhaps I know.
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