Why shouldn't turkey join the EU? http://strawpoll.me/6590823

>>53859035
One, the EU a shit.
Two, no one wants kebab in their schengen.

>>53859134
What's your first language?

>>53859134
schengen is a boarder free zone
we and romania are not in it (neither are irealand or uk)
greece and italy are in it, yet they are flooding the continent with refugees

>>53859035
They arent white and historically a threat to europe, at least greeks and another non-whites mediterráneans are birthplace of western culture

>>53859171
One of the best times of my life was the week I spent travelling Bulgaria. Pls adopt.

>>53859171
Your country and Romania can't get into schengen because you will literally fleed, cause havroc and then getting labeled as a shit tier people by another euros forever

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>Nein

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>>53859230
we still have the right to live and work anywhere in the EU
http://populationpyramid.net/bulgaria/2015/

shengen has p much nothing to do with that

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Isn't the schengen kind of a scary idea? It looks like there are people trying to consolidate power in the continent into like a United States of Europe.

This could be potentially used to use some kind of continental police state. Am I wrong or am I reading into it too much?

>>53859306
Good for you, I heard that bulgaria is improving every year fueled by tourism

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>>53859358
>It looks like there are people trying to consolidate power in the continent into like a United States of Europe.
they openly say this is what they're trying to do
>some kind of continental police state
>Isn't the schengen kind of a scary idea
basically (from what i understand), schengen countries have to protect their outer boarders, but the boarder between EU nations is to be left undefended.
to make sure it's all working smoothly, EU nations are to share intelligence, and finance each others security

the problem is they instead did stupid shit, like telling meditereninans to take in the refugees, then they said "where ever a refugee enters first, that is where he has to stay", then they said everyone to come to germany, and not they said don't come to germany anymore, as refugees are half way through europe. hency why countries have been putting up fences.
the only way this can be scary, is if they create an institution to guard the boarders, that is independent from the nation states. then we would not be able to put up fences, and we'd only get whatever intelligence said institution gives us

>>53859366
it's debatable, but yes
many of our tourists are russians, last year was weak (because they were going to crimea and we stopped a gas deal with them because of EU)

>>53859502
Ok. I can see that. The borders* (sorry no offence a boarder is someone who is boarding somewhere like a house or someone's extra room. Just tryin to help.) surround the area and intelligence is shared. What about military forces? What about central banking practices?

It still looks like a fake benign attempt at centralizing power. It looks like the EU and schengen are going to move to be just 1 country in a few decades.

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>>53859502
the "free movement of people and goods" between EU nations may be reformed by the UK. things like, foreigners aren't entitled to benefits, self employment is ok, but other employment can only be up to 20 hours a week (as was with the yellow card for bulgarians and romanians, which EU removed)
that still doesn't solve the problem of "turks flooding into europe" tho. and if history is any indicator, the UK is likely to only strike a deal for themselves (and maybe ireland), so no reforms on the mainland

surprised nobody brought up the fact turkey is literally the only country to recognize northern cyprus, aka the occupied half of EU member cyprus. or that they don't recognize the greek sea boarders
http://www.geetha.mil.gr/en/violations.html

Turkey isn't in Europe. Is the EU just trying to become the fucking World Union very slowly?

>>53859704
This map confuses me.

>>53859720
stay mad amerishit

>>53859670
>What about central banking practices?
our central bank is very much like your FED, maybe a bit smarter
one currency (the euro), backed by jewish magic, bulgaria technically has the lev, but it is pegged to the euro, so are other currencies
>military
they're trying to make a unified military force. imo it would be good thing, as it could be independent from NATO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJarXkeofd8

>>53859035
Because of multiple unsolved problems that haven't changed since Turkey's application:
1. The Greek question (territorial disputes)
2. The Cyprus question (invasion and occupation)
3. The Kurdish question (instability of such a scale that it sometimes amounts to civil war)
4. The Armenian question (not acknowledging the genocide)
and not only were these questions not resolved but as of lately even a fifth was added:
5. The democratic question (moving away from checks and balances, independence of courts and freedom of the press)

>>53859720
They get in because muh East Thrace.

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>>53859738

>>53859750
Nono man I'm not mad. I'm not saying anything bad about Turkey. I actually quite like your language and the very nice Turkish people I've met irl. I just didn't ever consider it geographically part of the European continent.

>>53859796
ok i apologize

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>>53859778
Wow that's a totally solid explanation.

>>53859789
East Thrace?

>>53859811
No problemo -oglubro. Nice dubs.

>>53859792
Thank you now I get it.

>>53859358
>Am I wrong or am I reading into it too much?
Well, what do you read into the words "ever closer union"?

Turkey will never join EU because they're never apologizing for the genocide.

Proud cunts think they still have >muh empire

>>53860024
not even georgia recognizes the armenian genocide

technically we don't either, we call it "the mass extermination of armenians", not genocide, apparently, not even that's good enough for armenia

also, when was the last time ottomans apologized for 500 years of occupation of the balkans, or is that fair game

>>53860086
>we call it "the mass extermination of armenians"

How is that not genocide. What's so naughty about that word?

>>53859995
It reads exactly like it sounds brother.

>>53860086
Lol. The Ottomans don't apologize for shit. They definitely won't apologize for occupying the Balkans.

>>53859778
>1. The Greek question (territorial disputes)
>2. The Cyprus question (invasion and occupation)
Turkey joining the EU would result in blurrying borders. So how is that even an argument when a joining would lessen the tensions?
Isn't that the main argument the EU uses to justify its existence all the time anyway? No war in Europe?
>3. The Kurdish (PKK) question (PKK caused instability of such a scale that it sometimes amounts to civil war)
Yeah... I wonder why that hasn't been solved, ''yet''.
>4. The Armenian question (not acknowledging the genocide)
It never happened.
>5. The democratic question (moving away from checks and balances, independence of courts and freedom of the press)
You wished.
Turkey is a constitutional rebublic and has not only the right but the duty to keep itself alive.

>>53860214
Yeah man, the Armenian genocide definitely happened. And it's not just a PKK question. All Kurds are not PKK. Don't you realize that repressed populations always, and I mean ALWAYS, end up with a militant group with extreme views and actions?

You're a Turk in Germany. I can tell.

>>53859035
Erdogan said that atheists are worse than terrorists. Why shopuld EU let in a country that openly declares its hostility towards Czech Republic, Sweden, Estonia etc. ?

>>53860265
Armenians under their patriarchs' rule participated in a war against the Ottoman Empire, so the civilian population got escorted from the war zones in a time when resources were short and safe state adminstration a struggle.

No such a thing ever happened.
Turkey requested Armenia to open its archives but it never did.

>>53860177
technically, a genocide would be more like the nazies killing gypsies, jews, etc. as in, for the sake of making them extinct

while a mass extermination would be more like something you might do in war time, or to separatists (which is what the armenians were)

technically i think the definition of "genocide" includes "mass extermination", but still

the reason we (and others?) word it like this, is because of political relations with turkey. we have a large turkish and muslim minorities, which turkey has influence over, also turkey protects our boarder from refugees (largely), we also trade with them a lot, have a large minority in their country, etc.

the armenians are buttmad because they want "genocide", as a word, to be associated to this event.
however if turkey ever admired it was a "genocide", they might have to pay reparations, put in place affirmative action, etc
and they have no interest in cooperating with armenia, especially since armenia is technically still at war with (turkish and oil rich) azerbaijan, who still has territorial disputes with armenia

>>53860024
>Armenien
Vem bryr sig?

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>>53860299
erdogan != all of turkey
they could elect a more moderate leader

>>53860404
Jesus man you're good at this. That's a genuine understanding. You're making me see both sides.

So are you telling me there weren't death camps containing Kurd denizens?

>>53860387
I see what both of you mean. So obviously there was mass murder and civilian displacement but it wasn't an action to exterminate Kurds completely? Is that what you're saying?

>>53860489
Armenians*.
Imagine a weakened adminstration with the only objective to keep itself and ithe people subject to it alive.

Armenians got escorted out of the war zones to the best means, protected by the avaible army and supported with the avaible life sustaining measures.

Turks also died because of shortages.

Armenians are a small, angry, self isolating tribe. They've always been, it's in their patriarchical structure and part of their social fabric.

They're projecting.

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>>53859916
Yes

>>53860214
>Turkey joining the EU would result in blurrying borders. So how is that even an argument when a joining would lessen the tensions?
How would it lessen them? They had dogfights with fighter jets over these disputed islands as well as special operations with boots on the ground.

>Isn't that the main argument the EU uses to justify its existence all the time anyway? No war in Europe?
The EU isn't an empire that tries to acquire as much territory as it can. The EU is a post-imperial project, meaning you have to be a stable and functioning and sovereign state first before you can join. These issues have to be resolved first.

>Yeah... I wonder why that hasn't been solved, ''yet''.
Having a large portion of your country inhabited by another ethnicity while trying to act as if it was all your land during all of history might have something to do with it.

>It never happened.
t. Mehmet Burkhardt-Ali

>Turkey is a constitutional rebublic and has not only the right but the duty to keep itself alive.
Turkey can do whatever it wants. But it's not going to join the EU if it doesn't fulfill the EU's standards of democracy and freedom.

>>53859916
>>53860648
Also Turkey is rightful Greek clay anyway.

>>53860579
Sorry yeah it's 3:45am here and I'm drunk. I meant Armenians.

I want to believe this is true. Where can I read something that supports what you say? If what you say is true the Armenians were displaced. Not genocided.

Still terrible but a side effect of total war. I will read and try to understand more but until tonight I always thought it was an all out genocide.

>>53860489
>are you telling me there weren't death camps containing Kurd denizens?
i'm telling you the political situation is needlessly complicated. i don't know if there was a genocide or not

in the balkans we still can't agree on many things. the only way disputes get "resolved" is by an international criminal court.

which, sometimes takes a side, sometimes it says both countries broke international law, sometimes says neither broke international law. Either way, in time, we forgive and forget.

i'm not aware if this has been done with this event. and said genocide took place over 100 years ago

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>>53860488
>greece 4th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZuzw2TCNSU
islamig gomunism fucking when cheapass

>>53860651
Don't you know how a causal chain works?

Your argument was that Turkey shouldn#t join the EU because
>territorial tensions
but joining would solve that problem because of blurrying borders.

>t. Mehmet Burkhardt-Ali
Obviously your brain is made out of concrete.
No need to argue with you any longer.

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Why aren't any Turks weighing in on this??

>>53859778
this

>>53860651
>you have to be a stable and functioning and sovereign state first
what is cyprus
or are you allowed to fall into chaos once you're in

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I am going to post some gondolas to lighten the mood in here.

>>53860684
Google it. That's what I did.

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This gondola is remembering the 6 million.

>>53860743
>but joining would solve that problem because of blurrying borders.
And I asked you how would it lessen them? You do realize that state borders still exist within the EU, as you might have convinced yourself of this during the refugee crisis.

>Obviously your brain is made out of concrete.
>No need to argue with you any longer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitchens's_razor

>>53860774
>what is cyprus
That is Greee blackmailing the EU to have Cyprus joining. Yes, if that hadn't happened Cyprus wouldn't be a member.

>>53860861
Yes! More commonly known as Occam's razor.

Simply. The more simple explanation is almost always (but not every time) the right one.

I haven't seen anyone reference Occam's razor for ages. Good job brother very good form.

>>53860861
solving border issues with other eu states is a prerequisite for entering not the result.

of course, i'm brown and i have a strong monobrow and i'm 160 cm

>>53860910
This.

Very much this.

>>53860910
That was what I was explaining to the other German flag. You may want to read the post history. I get the feeling you got mixed up as to who argued for what.

>>53860419
Vi, eftersom vi är i EU.

>>53860861
>hitchens razor
tell the armenians to open their archives then

>You do realize that state borders still exist within the EU, as you might have convinced yourself of this during the refugee crisis.
Yes, but they're blurried, that's the whole purpose of the EU, tearing down borders.

>>53860910
It's the purpose.

>>53860973
i'm just stating it not taking part in the conversation, sorry for the misunderstanding

Because they're a slimy, ISIS-supporting nation that can't even keep the eastern half of their country under control.

>>53861021
You're not really educated on this at all. It has very little to do with ISIS. I'm guessing you saw a map with some red in eastern Turkey signifying ISIS?

>>53860980
>tell the armenians to open their archives then
There's ample evidence. Denial, especially without proof, has simply no point.

>Yes, but they're blurried, that's the whole purpose of the EU, tearing down borders.
Not really. Borders still exist, and if the need arises, controls are being put in place. Multiple European countries proved that last summer.
And you still didn't answer the question. You again cut it from the quote. So I'm going to ask you again: How would it lessen them?

>>53861010
Purpose? So it will help? I doubt it. As Greekbro said. It isn't a solution. It's a prerequisite.

>>53861010
No it's the prerequisite. If it was the purpose then Israel and Palestine should have been the first to join the EU.

>>53861082

>Not really.
Yes really. The whole purpose of a supranational organization is blurrying borders,
>Multiple European countries proved that last summer.
That only shows that they were doing a shitty job.
>How would it lessen them?
As I said, the purpose of the EU is to deconstruct borders.
Border disputes with deconstructing borders are lessened.

>Evidence
That's why the Armenians shall open their archives.
Why don't they?

>>53859035
They already started the process.

>>53861064
>You're not really educated on this at all
Save your sardonic bullshit for Reddit

>It has very little to do with ISIS
A country that has been caught operating with terrorists on several occasions should not be able to reap the economic benefits of a union that is opposed to said terrorists.

>I'm guessing you saw a map with some red in eastern Turkey signifying ISIS?
Where the fuck did I imply that eastern Turkey is ISIS? Do you lack reading comprehension?

Just came in. I did read the whole thread. I agree with the German and the Greek that Turkey simply is not fit to join the euro union. Too many problems. Too much Erdogan shit and lack of diplomacy.

The fucking Turk government and mode of self defense is not fit for the EU.

>>53861163
>Why don't they?
Armenia didn't even become a country until like 20 years ago, how do you expect them to generate an archive from a hundred years ago? Why does it matter if they do it or not considering a bunch of other countries present during WWI have their own documentation?

>>53861173
But the process will never complete because Turkey will never comply with the demands.

>>53861182
Sardonic? Don't go that far brother. I do agree with you that Erdogan is too shoulder-to-shoulder with extremists. I believe he's a man with immense power who is overstepping his boundaries.

And you're correct you didn't imply that. My apologies. It's a tough subject. I am trying to learn more about it.

>>53861284
No worries bro.

>>53861240
They do have their own documents, that's the only reason why it's up for debate and demanded.

It should. Cant wait kurds become turkey majority. And turks cleaning london toilets along with others eu lovers.

>>53861361
Save your garbage for 2ch

>>53861163
>The whole purpose of a supranational organization is blurrying borders,
Now you're beginning to sound ridiculous. You have just stated that the purpose of NATO, the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, OPEC, UNO etc. is blurrying borders.

>That only shows that they were doing a shitty job.
No, it proved that despite EU membership they're sovereign and have full control over their borders.

>As I said, the purpose of the EU is to deconstruct borders.
>Border disputes with deconstructing borders are lessened.
That's a claim. And a pretty retarded one, too. And one that I disproved several postings ago.

>That's why the Armenians shall open their archives.
It's funny that you would call others brain made out of concrete, considering your methods of selective quoting to aid your narrative.
For starters you can look up the Wikipedia article on the Turkish genocide of Armenians and simply read the references the article provides.

>>53859035
It would dominate this weak union.

>>53861361
Why are Russians so shitty with English but nearly every other slav nation seems to have a good grasp on it?

>>53860214
As if, Erdogan had a man arrested and put in jail for making a meme about him, they don't come to terms with half the rules and regs made in th treaty of Kopenhagen, heck if it weren't for the fact they Turkey has a lot of young people willing to enter the graying job market most countries in the EU wouldn't even give a second thought about it.

>>53861438
>As if

Nice I haven't heard anyone say that since the 90s

Also this. Very very much this.

>>53861408
slavs are too busy in london.

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>>53861398
it would have as much voting power as you

>>53861504
Meaning what? You're a slav yourself Ivan Ivanovich.

>>53861379
>You have just stated that the purpose of NATO, the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, OPEC, UNO etc. is blurrying borders.
Yes.
>No, it proved that despite EU membership they're sovereign and have full control over their borders.
That's not the case on all levels.
Joining the EU comes with duties, some of them involving opened or partially deconstructed borders on certain levels: Certain taxation regulations, free moviement of a citizen between nations...

>That's a claim. And a pretty retarded one, too. And one that I disproved several postings ago.
No you didn't.

>State archives are of lesser value than a Wikipedia article
Turkey is even ready to fund it, Armenia shall open its archives.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitchens%27s_razor

Bye.

>>53861356
>They do have their own documents
Any documents they had were probably absorbed into the Soviet Union and then to Russia.

>that's the only reason why it's up for debate and demanded.
The only reason Turks bring it up is because they think it's a trump card, which is stupid when you again consider the archival problems like I mentioned.

Frankly, the recent eagerness of Turks to bring up the archive argument suggests to me that they probably removed any evidence that legitimizes Armenia's claim, as any country who would try to erase their past would do.

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>>53861504
we;re annexing it
>>53861527
he's saying we need it to work abroad
he's trying to insult us but in reality he'd prefer if russia was in he EU

>>53861163
This is a typical Turk and we have 8 million of them.
Please Americans recognize it! Rethink your image of Turks and Turkey....

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>>53861542
You say "bye" because you just got fucking owned in this thread. Occam's razor doesn't favor you here. It favors everyone who debated with you. Go run and hide, asshole.

>>53861514
and they would likely start a "muslim democrat" EU party and unite the muslim vote

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>>53859035
Because:
Islam,
Asia Minor
>ASIA,
occupied the Balkans, fuck off Mehmet Öztürk,
Fighting against Kurdistan,
Armenian genocide and still no apology,
Give back Kypros.
(Did they apologize for the Baši Bazuks? Bulgarski brat.)

>>53861572
I God damn motherfucking love Bulgaria. Favorite country other than Austria that I've ever visited. Fuck yes Bulgars.

>>53861572
>he's trying to insult us but in reality he'd prefer...[]
Beeing busy is an insult?

>>53861584
while you're at it accept global warming
slow down your and china's economies, and make the world less dependent on russian and muslim oil

>>53861612
Take him on a flight fro Ramstein to Eastanatolia and don't bring him back please...

>>53861542
>Yes.
Well thanks for stating publicly that you're an idiot. (not that everybody monitoring this thread wasn't aware of it already)

>Joining the EU comes with duties, some of them involving opened or partially deconstructed borders on certain levels: Certain taxation regulations, free moviement of a citizen between nations...
Which wouldn't work if there were disputes between members that get dealt with militarily on regular occasions. Hence, no membership for Turkey.

>No you didn't.
Yes. Just follow the backlinks.

>Turkey is even ready to fund it, Armenia shall open its archives.
You sound like a broken record. I showed you the way where you can find the evidence. This makes your proofless claim that there never was a genocide dismissable without proof. Hence:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitchens%27s_razor

>Bye.
I would like to say it was fun. But it was just boring and tedious. Next time bring more to the table to make the discussion interesting.

>>53860974
Passar de inte in då?

>>53861676
I forgot:
they're stomping on the great work of M.K. Atatürk (who established it as a secular democratic republic) to make it an Islamic dictatorship.
I wish death to the A.K. Parti.

>>53861719
ok, the Americans will allways love the Turks for reasons of not realy knowing them...
meanwhile ISIS gets it's wounded fighters treated in Turkish hospitals....

>>53861676
>Did they apologize for the Baši Bazuks
p sure they haven't apologized for anything

>>53861572
>russia was in he EU
I prefer EU being in Russia. Enjoy concurency with turks for London Plumbing. It is the best bulgarian can do today.

>>53861746
I've been with you this whole time man. Good form. Very good form.

>Bye

That's a classic move by someone who can't keep up over the table in a debate. No one can side with him. He can't summon Occam's razor when It opposes him.

>>53861796
nah the best is probably working in IT on a western salary

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>>53861632
>"muslim democrat" EU party and unite the muslim vote

>>53861756
Absolut inte, är ju en väldigt stor kulturell skillnad mellan oss européer och turkar.

>>53861796
Seriously? Are you wilfully ignorant?

>I wish the EU was in Russia.

Please explain. That doesn't make sense.

>>53861771
>for reasons of not realy knowing them
It's pretty obvious, isn't it? Bosphorus: it's what geostrategists call a "choke point". It's the only reason they're in Nato and the only reason we (meanig the West) sorta put up with their shit.

>>53859035
>Why shouldn't turkey join the EU?
are you retarded

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Um. Obvious.

>>53861676
>Give back Kypros.
The funny thing about the Turks bringing freedom to the Muslim people in Northern Turkey is that the original Northern Cyprus people are right now a minority on their own clay...lol
As Turkey put hordes of Turkish settlers to this place...

Southern Cyprus will never agree to take the Turks for cypriots and Northern Cypriot Muslims have not enough power do anything that removes the Turks from the mainland.

Turkey created a permanent point of conflict. It's unsovable...so Turkey will never get a EU Membership.
At least one good thing.

>>53859035
Because of its history

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>>53862035
Jesus this dude is on a role. Posting a gondola in appreciation.

I'm George. You don't have to tell me your first name but I'm interested to know it.

Once again, perfect form.

>>53860387
>>53860980
>>53861163
Why are you still parroting this archive taqiyya? The Armenian State Archive is open.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/default.aspx?pageid=438&n=armenian-archive-chief-invites-turkish-historians-2010-04-22

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>>53862083
Wrong picture.

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>>53861632
SLIDE IT

>>53859035
>don't speak Indo-European language
>not christian
>historically an invader and enemy of Europe
>not in Europe except for one city that they colonised
>not a European culture
They're not European. At least with countries that aren't geographically in Europe like Georgia it's at least ambiguous. Nobody wants them in. NATO European countries plus the US just pay lip service to supporting them so they let us put missiles in Anatolia.

Literally half the EU would leave if they were allowed in.

>>53862083
I'm not him, that's why the post you referenced is in totally shitty English. My English just sucks.
The other German guys English and the Turks English are on much higher levels.
While I myself just translate German sentences word by word and tweak them a bit.

But it's true Turkey created an unsolvable conflict in Cyprus.

>>53862248
>>don't speak Indo-European language
neither does finland or hungary

>>53862318
Don't be ridiculous, both of those are firmly european culturally.

>>53862309
No no brother your English is fine. Please keep on keeping on. Tell me more about Cyprus.

>>53862318
And Albania and Bosnia aren't Christian. What it comes down to is that they're not in Europe, so they should at least meet all the criteria I posted to be given an exception.

I could cede the territory comprising my flat's bathroom to the government of Paraguay and tomorrow and they would instantly be 100% more European than Turkey is today.

Why hasn't Merkel initiated Turkeys ascension into the EU yet?

>>53862405
Fair enough, Nigel. But please explain to me how Bosnia isn't in Europe. Is it because they have a Muslim population?

>>53862425
Read the thread with some objectivity.

>>53862443
I didn't say they weren't. Being European is really only about being located in Europe. If you're not located in Europe and you want to be considered European you had better be exceptionally similar to us. If America had a population of 50 million, occupied the same amount of territory as say France, and was towed to Europe over night I highly doubt anybody would object to you getting EU membership.

>>53862555
Definitely since the USA stands up for human rights etc (though there are some question marks obviously) and doesn't have any horrific genocides in their closet that they refuse to apologize for.

I'd rather settle for a new Treaty of Sevres

>>53862671
>tfw no re-Europeanised Constantinopolitan City State

>>53862555
I understand.

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>>53860387
This, the definition of a genocide is what matters here. and this site considers black people moving into their neighbourhoods a genocide as well.

>>53862087
>Armenians open THEIR archives

Yeah, and It was 12 million jews that died in the Holocaust, right? Don't you have /tr/ to troll?

>>53862752
>>53862671
>Still asshurt about Sevres

Is the entire world our butthurt belt?

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>>53862083
>Fuckin' kekd at your gif, saved.
>Trumphah.gif
This 1's on me.
>>53861572
Polaks got to British Isles before Bulgars, sorry, I'm not trying to spoil your party but it's true.

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>>53862872
Here's your reply ;)

>>53862933
polaks are still slavs

>>53862472

No thanks, I'm here for memes only.

>>53859035
The day turks are let in, I'll storm Brussels with an AK5.

>>53862933
You're welcome. It comes from Tim and Eric Awesome Show. Maybe you would like it.

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>>53863073
Fair enough. Here's a gondola.

>>53863118

cheers big ears

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>>53863210
Make sure to save it. Here's another. He's remembering the 6million.

>>53862111
I sтill donт see any gondolas, just Arizonal / New Mexican desert.

>>53859035
why should we join EU?
europeans were our slaves, we are de facto superior to them. and no one wants to get in same union with their old slaves.

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>>53862996
Yes, but your image had the Union flag in the Bulgarian national flag's colors.
>>53863088
>[adult swim]
D-cent. happy times.

>>53863914
eat shit you subhuman hairy short flat headed ugly inbred mongrel

>>53859035
Who'd wanna join that soon to be dumpster fire?

>>53859358
There's nothing intrinsically authoritarian about a united Europe. In decades to come, it may be our only hope of relevancy.

However, there's an awful lot of police-state-like policies in the current EU, because it's the only way they can get countries to accept mass immigration and thus prop up Europe's birth rate.

>>53864008
i will make your mom my 4th wife once europe becomes a muslim colony :^)

>>53864008
looks like vladimir is triggered

Geeh, maybe because it's an Islamic country that constantly violates human rights, obstructs the EU and is filled with barbaric dirt poor peasants. Not to mention we have unresolved border conflicts.

>>53863914
Lel. Ottomans literally never achieved anything. Their entire ''civilization'' was based on pillaging the Byzantines, once that was done you just faded into irrelevance while Europe shot ahead.

>>53859192
there is no difference between Anatolians and south Europeans when it comes to genetic.
its super cringey to see mestizos discuss what is best for Europe and trust me, we have plentt of shitskins from South America, especially Chile

>>53864161
t. 12 year old anglo cuckservative

>>53864141
Not to mention it cant even control it's border with Syria.

>>53864228
Ahmed pls

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>>53864161
>200 years of seljuk rule built more monuments than 1200 years of roman rule
>muh byzantium muh rome

ebin m8

>>53859035
There faggots that are literary going out of there way to bomb kurdish fighters because they are ass hurt about the PKK.

>>53860387
Yeah just like the germans just wanted to deport the jews until they ran out of food right?

>>53865362
>>53865465
>there
now i get why ''americans'' don't know ''their'' own language

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Daily reminder that Turkey did nothing wrong ever.

Turkey hasn't been 'european' since late antiquity, and even greco-roman Anatolia was more mediterranean or middle eastern than what 'european' has come to mean since the middle ages.

And let's not forget that Turkey would have the most representative power in the european parliament and is at what amounts to a pseudo-civil war with its kurd demographic.

>>53866261
Epic.

>>53866579
Name one thing Turkey did wrong.

>>53866683
not finishing what they started

>>53859230
>Your country and Romania can't get into schengen because you will literally fleed, cause havroc and then getting labeled as a shit tier people by another euros forever

Schengen doesn't have anything to do with the movement of people. And most Gypsies from Romania and Bulgaria are abroad anyway. Countries with the same Gypsy population like Hungary and Slovakia are in and this does not change much for the rest of the members.

>>53866792
Complete crap. It does have to do with movement of people. Schengen means there's no border checks. This means problematic people are able to leave as well.

Romania and Bulgaria are not in Schengen because GERMANY, Netherlands and Finland have opposed it previously. Finland, I think has changed it's stance on 2015. Netherlands has not.

Official reason is corruption. Gypsies are not mentioned but I 100% guarantee they are a factor, if not the most important.

Just what Europe needs. 80 million muslims waiting to flood Europe.

Turkey has only tiny territory in Europe, so no they're not Europeans. Plus they originated in Asia, unlike say Russians, who originated in Europe and expanded into Asia.

>>53860214
Go home from Germany dirty roach. Nobody wants you there.

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WE'RE NOT WHITE
BEHEAD THOSE ONES WHO SAY THEY'RE WHITE
WE'RE AN ISLAMIC NATION AND WILL ALWAYS BE
FUCK EUROPE AND THEIR CORRUPTED MORALS/VALUES

>>53869746
I've heard that even native Turks despise German Turks which are mainly Akp-supporting conservative assholes.