>The conservative True Finns party until recently was the most prominent supporter of anti-immigration policies, with some of its parlamentarians accused of frequently using racist language. Lately, however, critical commentary on refugees and immigration has spilled over from the True Finns to almost all other parties currently represented in the Finnish parliament. PhD student Riikka Purra says: "The politicians are afraid to lose votes, if they are too immigration-friendly, since it's a topic that is very important to their electorate."
>Purra believes that in the next years it will be made increasingly difficult to apply for asylum in Finland and to reunite families of refugees. "More and more, the politicians will emphasize what is beneficial for 'us' and make it less attractive for refugees to come here. The main focus has shifted to the state's interests and away from a humanitarian perspective."
What do you think, is she right? Are we back on track and anti-immigration is the mainstream political view, or are we on the multicultural nightmare rollercoaster with no end in sight?
The flow of refugees has been largely halted with border controls now, but we already have 30 000 of them inside our borders due to the late response. Is it too late?
Reminder that all this happened during right wing governments and blaming "leftists" is doing our cause more harm than good. The "refugees welcome" who care about humanitarian reasons have no power, it's the centre-right that's bringing them in.
It's good to know that Europe is believing stopping the boats is a good thing.
It's been mostly for western immigrants until now, the idea being that you could get Finnish citizenship or at least residence permit if you marry a Finn/your partner gets Finnish citizenship. To make it easier for families to move, instead of individually having to apply and live here for however long it takes.
Obviously, when these laws were written they didn't expect this kind of refugee wave.
It's funny how fast the people's and media's opinions about this whole crisis has changed. Just last summer we were bombarded with pictures of children and drowned refugees and now all we get are news of rapes and sexual harassment
It's possible that >>53817028 is right and this is just a false flag, politicians talking without acting, but at least it's good that unlike some other European countries we can actually talk about immigration negatively. As citizens, in the media and in mainstream politics. It's a touchy subject for some people, but at least we don't have that ridiculous "ganging up" shit like the Swedes have with SD. Political parties don't actively and openly shit on democracy to silence politically incorrect opinions.
Our government could've easily stopped it, instead they kept repeating pro-immigration propaganda. Stop being a child and stop thinking politics is just right vs left, "us vs them" nonsense. Don't take all your political views from /pol/. Plenty of "right wingers" support immigration, and plenty of "left wingers" are against it, it's not a right or left issue at all.
Frankly, it's people like you that are at fault for this mess to begin with as far as I'm concerned. You make excuses for the people fucking you over because they're "on your side" while making enemies of the people who're supporting the same cause as you are. I'm not even a leftist, and I'm certainly not claiming that this would've been any better with a leftist government, I'm just saying you should stop fighting windmills.
So I'm responsible for the 10 countries on the way ignoring all border control and EU treaties for this artificial shitstorm to happen?
Blaming puppets like Sipilä is pointless when this took at least ten countries intentionally letting them through to happen.
>So I'm responsible
I said people LIKE you, do you have lukihärö?
>Blaming puppets like Sipilä is pointless when this took at least ten countries intentionally letting them through to happen.
And you know what, all it would've taken is one country (ours) to not let them in. To not try to coddle them, to reform the laws, install border controls.. they're doing it slowly now, but it's very late and feels more like a populist response to the people's demands than what they originally wanted to do.
Of course those countries that ignored the Dublin treaty are also responsible, but then what does that have to do with Finnish (or foreign) leftists?
When I referred to people like you, I meant people who make a black and white thing (heh heh) of all political issues when they really aren't that. If they were black and white they wouldn't be issues in the first place. It's intellectually dishonest, it hurts political discourse and it prevents us from finding a solution. People just lick the buttholes of everyone on "their side" while demonising everyone on "the other side" when they really should be looking at things on a case-by-case basis and making their own judgements.
By demonising the opposition and even making opponents of people who're on your side, you're only hurting yourself. I know this sounds like I'm just ranting at you, but really this goes out to most people on /int/ and especially /pol/, who seem to view politics like supporting a sports team.
Besides, "my side" is a very narrow concept, down to few politicians here and there.
When you pay attention, there are not many who have an agenda besides having the job, and even fewer have the ability to make anything happen.
The government could close the border to people coming from safe countries like Sweden and Russia. They don't. The Finns party have broken every promise they made, I'd rather vote Greens.
The three right wing parties are in the government.
>Vuonna 2014 Suomeen saapui yhteensä 3651 turvapaikanhakijaa.
Now that the right wing is in power, eight times that.
Right wing is faggy and weak in Europe. You just have to wait for the Islam right wing in 50 years.
Weak europian right wingers patrolling and antifas making fun of them:
In case you didn't notice, mass migration from the muslim world had been rather exclusively promoted by the left and green until it actually happened.
That doesn't go away just because they started losing to "nationalist" parties and business that are currently in power.
They worked hard to lose that trust.
Doesn't mean the rest of politics is great. They just haven't spent 40 years acting against you.
Mm yeah, you guys have had to deal with immigration issues longer than us. Until last year we had no problem, then just during last year our amount of immigrants doubled in a few months. Well, of course most of them won't get citizenship, but many will. It went from a total non-issue to the most talked-about issue almost instantly.
>2014: normal year where people go through the proper channels
>2015: müsli hordes of millions walk to Germany and spill to rest of Europe after getting rejected
Sure is nice comparison, Jan-Peter.
Bull-shit. The only party that hasn't been promoting multiculti shit is PS, and they're left-leaning politically, centre at best. A rather significant portion of right wingers support this shit, and a rather significant portion of left wingers don't. It's like you really believe politics is just about choosing between the colours blue and red.
But in case you didn't know, most leftists aren't antifa faggots, just like most right wingers aren't neo-nazis. Categories can be useful but not when you can't see beyond them. The left-right division is incredibly crude and doesn't begin to cover the political spectrum. When you keep talking shit like "the left promotes this" or "the left does that", you're shooting yourself in the foot by alienating people who would otherwise agree with you! For the record, I think the leftist that blame the right for everything are just as bad.
Frankly, anyone who generalises half the population like that probably doesn't actually know shit about politics, and certainly doesn't have a critical mind.
"Left and green" isn't a party tag, people push their shit under whatever has influence.
It's more of a mental note per politician, for who's being a full-blown Paavo Arhinmäki, Elisabeth Rehn or Astrid Thors.
As I said, there's a huge mass of jobbers who don't matter >>53818544 , I don't consider those to be anything.
But when you get these openly hostiles, they're in this dump tag.
He's fine desu.
Anyway, I've said what I had to say. I'll keep saying it again next time I get triggered. It's worth it if even one lurking anon one day reconsiders their position and stops supporting sports team politics.
I think I'm not even going to bother voting in the next parliamentary elections since none of the parties are going to stop this. True Finns are being kept in leash by cuckholic Soini so you'd need first get Soini out and let fresh blood take over.
For someone who says I have zero arguments, it's funny that your only argument was "you are demented".
I don't agree with Arhinmäki on everything, or even most things, but that's true for almost every politician. He's made some good points about domestic social issues and has good environmental values, which I consider more important than anything else right now. By your posts it sounds like the only issue on your mind is immigration, so I assume he's said something you disagree with regarding that (correct me if I'm wrong). I really have no idea what his views are in that regard and I don't particularly care, as I see immigration as a more immediate concern that requires immediate solutions, and he's not in the government.
Feel free to tell me why I'm wrong.
Ohoh, meillä onkin Paavo itse paikalla.
Mites kommunistinen vallankumous etenee?
Shouldn't the SDP change their name since they're not in any way or form a reform socialist party (false advertising and all that)? I mean it's purely name only all that comrade crap in Finland. Left Alliance doesn't have any mentions of socialism in their party program either.
>The main focus has shifted to the state's interests and away from a humanitarian perspective."
as it should be. helping people is nice and all, but the duty of the state is to look after its own first and foremost.
You can be a fucking leftist if you want but stop trying to justify it so hard and blame traditionalist conservatives for the "new right" as if the two had anything in common, meanwhile the new right, the old left and the new left ALL support dismantling Finland. They are 3 heads of the same beast.
>You can be a fucking leftist if you want
As I said, I don't consider myself a leftist at all. Is this just because I said I agree with Arhinmäki on some specific issues?
>stop trying to justify it so hard
Literally all I've been saying is that defining all politics as right vs left is incredibly crude, and that both "sides" have good points on a multitude of issues. That it's not healthy to just pick one and agree with everything they say on account of you having picked them.
>and blame traditionalist conservatives for the "new right"
I haven't said anything about "traditional conservatives" at any point. If you think we have no "real" right wing in this country, then your definition is way more specific than most people's, and you're basically saing that the right has so little support in this country it doesn't even have a significant political party. Anyway, I've been talking about our political right wing, the ones running the country right now.
>meanwhile the new right, the old left and the new left ALL support dismantling Finland
What a loaded statement. What do you mean by dismantling Finland? I would point out that if you really believe there is a big conspiracy with destroying their own country as their agenda, you're beyond delusional. There may be many politicians who just care about personal status, but most of them obviously think they're making the country better, even if you think they're mouth-breathing retards with the way they're doing it.
I think too much /pol/ has made you paranoid. It's also clear you have your own definitions for all these terms you're using, so I think you should share them before we can have a real conversation. What do you mean by dismantling Finland? What do you mean by new left, old left, new right and "traditionalist conservatives"? Those don't mean anything until you specify.
I think a significant number of Finns would vote for a real right wing party. I think this would increase as mass rapes become more common.
Old right to me means people like Viktor Orban who care about the interests of their people.
New right is the likes of Stubb and Katainen, enough said.
Soini isn't even a real politician to me since he has no opinions, he just says whatever he thinks will get him the most authority.
>I think a significant number of Finns would vote for a real right wing party.
Did you know we live in a democracy? Anyone is free to vote for any party, or to start their own. The lack of a "real" right wing party to me suggests that there isn't as much support for one as you believe. We can all talk shit about the current parties, but at the end of the day Finns vote for those parties.
You say people would vote for a Viktor Orban, and at the same time there is a marxist communist sitting in a coffee shop with his marxist communist friends who is convinced that if we had a proper communist party, people would support it. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying the current political reality doesn't support your statement.
Miksiköhän tässä vielä puhutaan englantia, kun täällä on enää suomalaisia jäljellä..