Why does govt control alcohol in Nordic countries? Is it true these shops close at 5?
This. In general the stores themselves score very well in customer satisfaction in Norway at least, because they have competent employees and a really good selection of goods. However, everything is expensive as hell.
>Which has a lot to do with you being a German appendix of the continent.
reading this made me all fuzzy and warm inside :)
I wish I could have experienced it.
>get a box of bullets and a 24 pack with your friends
>drink and drive all the way out innawoods
>shoot empty cans and trees and junk
>drive back, drunk and taking potshots at road signs.
My dad had fun in college
That's an expensive pint even for Norway. Also, obviously you drink store-bought stuff before you go out if you want to get drunk, you don't pay for more than one or two items at a bar or club if you care about your wallet.
I have a friend from up there and he told me booze over there is a bit more expensive, probably the most expensive in the entire world, so they all just go to Estonia or some place like that and buy like infinite amounts of booze.
>Still plenty of alcoholism to go around
How long will the health ministry keep repeating this mantra to keep up unfair monopoly and unfair taxation. Also I like to remind you, major population knows how to handle alcohol, it is once again that the majority needs to suffer because of the minority can't keep their shit in order. That's the general story of this country...
10:00-18:00 on weekdays
10:00-15:00 on Saturdays
closed on Sunday and holidays
I can understand the anti-government sentiment but why the hell do you care if people see what kind of alcohol you are buying? Or are you one of those people that go into the liquor store to buy non-alcoholic wine and you don’t want your friends to know about it?
>mfw I could go to my local Dognnetto and buy some beer or spirits right fucking now
And it's only ~11:30PM
>but why the hell do you care if people see what kind of alcohol you are buying?
Well, personally, I buy a lot of girly drinks like Kopparberg and Rekorderlig ciders. I don't want other people to see me buying that shit.
Personally I'd rather have everything I could ever want in one store, than have to run around town to find what I want. Also, if beer selection in stores are anything to go by, you'd have only one or two brands that are better than mediocre in most stores if it was free competition. My local Vinmonopol on the other hand has ~2000 different items in store, and even small shitty ones in places where about 3 people live usually have ~500.
It is still unfair markets where state tells you what you can do. Also if you opened up the alcohol markets you could have stores specialized in something like whiskey store, beer store. Would also open doors for easier local production as there would more stores you could get your product into, now you are at the mercy of y our local vinmonopelet.
>Also if you opened up the alcohol markets you could have stores specialized in something like whiskey store, beer store.
This. Last time I was in Vienna they had a specialty beer store the size of a Vinmonopolet but with all beer.
>only in Sweden
And Norway, and Finland, and several states in the US.
I'm not a fan, personally, but Systembolaget does have a great selection. It's not a shitty store, literally the only thing wrong with it is bad opening hours.
>easier local production as there would more stores you could get your product into
I don't know how it is in Finland, but here Vinmonopolet actually tries its best to promote local products, whereas with <4.7% beer in supermarkets they carry almost only large international brands (and they do stuff like make producers pay for shelf space).
Specialized stores wouldn't happen anywhere other than Oslo, and maybe Bergen/Trondheim. elsewhere it would all be lowest common denominator stuff with shitty selection.
Also just because you would open up the markets, doesn't mean Vinmonopolet has to shut down. It could specialize in something, maybe it could be the finer store with more expensive (and better quality) products.
I know some people find it fine, but I generally hate any unnatural monopoly as it reduces personal freedom.
The monopoly isn't the problem.
The massive tax on alcohol is the problem.
Just let me buy my booze at a reasonable price
So do I, and I doubt the selection would improve, since there's already 5 stores here with excellent selection (Valentinlyst is best though), while it would significantly worsen in the districts.. I'd rather focus on lowering prices/taxes, than trying to improve what already works very well.
>I don't know how it is in Finland, but here Vinmonopolet actually tries its best to promote local products
Systembolaget does the same, and the process of ordering local shit across the country is very streamlined and easy to make use of. Basically what it means is that microbrews, vineyards and the like get a distribution network free of charge, so it's actually -easier- to git gud here than in many places where booze is let free.
>it reduces personal freedom.
How though? I mean, even if booze was a free for all, you'd still have an age limit most likely, like we do with tobacco. It's not like Alko, Vinmonopolet or Systembolaget only sell their shit to only a privileged class or some shit, anyone is welcome as long as they are of age.
Not sure if being allowed to run your own liqour store should be considered a right, is all I'm saying. Where does it end, do we have full anarchy and allow people to set up market stalls in the street for fucking uranium and whatnot because MUH FREEDOM IS PARAMOUNT?
Local/state government (except Pennsylvania) doesn't operate stores, only laws, and license.
In California, alcohol is sold 6am-2am all 7 days. Also, no restriction on type means you see beer, wine, and hard liquor sold at grocery stores, convenience stores, and gas stations.
Taxes on wine, spirits, and beer is also relatively lower here compared to some other states.
I'm talking about what's in stock. That's a bit different between them. If you include what you can order it's obviously the same all over the country (~16000 items last I checked).
Buying from a monopoly or free competition isn't the same as censorship or free speech. Especially when the free competition in question would significantly worsen availability or selection for a large part of the population. Vinmonopolet needs the profitable stores in cities on order to afford the ones in the districts (the population is spread out a lot). With free market liquor sales, you'd get maybe marginal improvements in cities, and jack shit elsewhere.
No such thing. The sooner you realize that the sooner your country will begin to get rich.
America is rich because America has power and effective foreign policy. We use our market power to force other countries to give us preferential treatment.
Alcohol is a drug. A strong one at that. Hence it isn't allowed a "free" market.
Well that's a slippery slope you have there... from alcohol monopoly to uranium stalls.
Let's forget all the economic downsides a monopoly has and focus on the social side. Like you said, what if I want to open up a beer store which provide people interested in beers place to not only discuss but to make new findings. You know alcohol consumption doesn't always need to be over the top getting wasted, but as a hobby?
And to answer to your (even though rather shallow) argument of "where does it end". It also works the other way. High sugar content and fatty (fast food) are higher threat than alcohol to well being of society, yet we don't monopolise those?
I like the safety net a nordic model offers, but I feel like we have gone over the line where it is too much of nanny state. Especially here if anything negative happens the first reaction is to ban anything and everything, as if we could prevent all the misery in world by denying access to.
Nowadays though it's just a way for the state to get them tax monies. People don't want to drink themselves blind every day anymore so it only fills the purpose of decreasing purchasing power.
Which is why smuggling of alcohol is incredibly profitable in Norway, Sweden and Finland and is a really big industry.
>what if I want to open up a beer store which provide people interested in beers place to not only discuss but to make new findings. You know alcohol consumption doesn't always need to be over the top getting wasted, but as a hobby?
Well, running a specialized bar would fill this requirement, most of it anyway, just people wouldn't be able to buy stuff to take home. We have a local brewery in my town that does this, for example. I see your point though.
They are trying to give bars the ability to sell wines and beers (first step to dissolving the monopoly), but who knows if it'll ever pass. Especially now with all the focus on immigrants and shoddy economic situation, we even had the government willing to do those changes. Lefties here are extremely unwilling for those changes.
>inb4 muh cherry picking
It's literally a standard subscription from the municipal power company, one of the cheapest ones you can get.
As if you'd need anything faster than 100mbps anyway.
>live in Austria
>have highest alcohol consumption in the modern world
>diet consists solely of red meat
>despite this we have low crime, low obesity and long life expectancies
I think they mostly complain because there's no internet (since they only have phones they'd have to be quartered in a coffee shop or fast food joint to get free wi-fi).
Personally I love it when they literally DEMAND luxuries, making their own coffins one nail at a time so to speak. kek, even my previously SJWish sister is like GAS THE SANDPEOPLE RACE WAR NOW these days after all their entitlement shit.
I worked in Liechtenstein and Switzerland and the increase in wage didn't cover a lifestyle compared to the one I could have in Austria. Swiss especially is rip off central, they have low quality goods for high prices.
Not anymore man. Their crown is worth less than ours right now. That has instantly made all Swedish products 20 % more expensive for them.
Which is bad for us too, they are our biggest trading partner.
I don't know how it works in Finland but in Sweden you can order any microbrew you want and get it delivered to your local systembolag.
Basically you tell the staff you want this and that drink and they order it for you.
Complete bullshit, I was also working in switzerland and if you are using your money smart (you know what to buy, which insurances, etc...), then you get a lot more money out at the end of the month than in Austria.
of course it depends what kind of life style you have. If you are a chimp and always need to eat out or buy expensive goods, then you are fucked.
Well of course. But I agree with what some other anon said that our system is probably better for the micro brews than an unregulated market because of more expensive distribution and less "reach" with their products.
So can I bring alcohol to a nordic cunt? Like if I bring a case of beer from the land of the Gods(Romania) to Sweden,will the sharia police allow me to enter?
How about sending someone a bottle of booze via mail?
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It's a system only in place to make the govt. money at this point. It's been shown time and time again how it leads to more drinking. Most people I know make sure to always have alcohol at home, which leads to many drinking more than they otherwise would. People also tend to buy more when they're there, since they know it isn't available at any time.
The only thing it's ever been proven to do to counter the issue of alcoholism is making it a more costly vice.
iirc, you can bring the equivalent of 1 liter with an alcohol content of 40%. I'm not sure how they calculate it, but I think it roughly amounts to 24 cans of beer or 3-4 bottles of wine. Flights are different for some reason. People bring in vast amounts all the time, though, so you should be fine. 14-year-old girls in the suburbs will love you.