Why does govt control alcohol in Nordic countries? Is it true

I have a feeling you already know the answer to your question..but let's shitpost about this for another time

>>53737574
>Why does govt control alcohol in Nordic countries?
Socialism.

>Is it true these shops close at 5?
No. Some close at 19:00, 14:00 on saturdays.

>>53737574
Because we were drinking so much the whole country was halting, so they had to limit consumption. Systembolaget is a remnant of that.

>>53737686
Its 15:00 on saturdays

>>53737825
They close 14:00 were i live.

Mon-Fri 9-20 sat 9-18 sun closed. That's all alcohol above 4,7%

only in Sweden man

We laugh at systembolaget nearly as much as you.

We aren't laughing when the Swedes come over here to get drunk

>>53737574
The US varies as well; sometimes on a town to town basis.

Where I live they are open 6:00-21:00.

Scandinavia is the eternal land of cuckoldry.

>>53737950
Embrace it

>>53737574
That's not the main problem though. The main problem is how much they tax it. It's insanely expensive.

>>53738115
B-But it saves lives anon! :^)

>>53738115
This. In general the stores themselves score very well in customer satisfaction in Norway at least, because they have competent employees and a really good selection of goods. However, everything is expensive as hell.

>>53737950
You haven't seen Danes getting drunk in Prague

It's a Viking raid

what shitholes

>>53737825
I honestly think it's a good system

Slavic countries would need that as well. High tax on alcohol too

>>53738115
its cheaper for a jameson employee to buy it in spain even with their employee discount

In Winland you can buy alcohol from 9am to 9mp, prevents alcoholism

Strong social isolation because of climate and distance.
You become an alcoholic quick in such an environment.

>>53738653
9pm*

>>53737686
>>53737825
>>53737877
And when the shop closes on sundays?

>>53738732

They don't sell alcohol on Sundays.

>>53737574
>government-regulated alcohol consumption
>giant glass windows instead of walls so everyone can see what you're buying

jesus, and they call us a nanny state

>>53738732
closed on sundays and holidays

>>53737950
>only in Sweden man

No, it's in all Nordic countries except Denmark. Which has a lot to do with you being a German appendix of the continent.

It's kind of like when you banned alcohol completely, OP, except this is less inconvenient so nobody complains loudly enough to change it.

...cant people just make their own?

>>53738732
LOL

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>>53738886

People do.

>>53738857
Denmark belongs to Continental Europe, not Nordicuck Europe.

>>53738576
It just makes drunks poorer, it doesn't solve anything anymore.

The government controls all liquor sales in most US states

>>53738995
>Denmark belongs to Continental Europe

That's what I said.

>>53739051
And I wanted to reaffirm it.

>>53739038

Not the federal government, though.

>tfw doing booze runs to my local Meijer (think slightly smaller, slightly classier than your average Walmart) store at midnight on a Saturday night

Land of the free

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>>53738857
>Which has a lot to do with you being a German appendix of the continent.
reading this made me all fuzzy and warm inside :)

>>53739425
tfw my building has a 7-11 on the ground floor

>>53739425
>tfw 24hr drive-thru liquor stores exist here.
>tfw they used to be drive-thru liquor AND ammo stores

>>53739658
That's probably the most American thing I've ever heard of before.

>>53737574
Ontario has this as well but slowly moving away from it.

Some grocery stores already have wine and are in the process of getting beer. Only 6 packs though.

>>53738653
does finland just do everything sweden does?

We have those too depending on the state

>>53739658
>liquor AND ammo
add cigaretes to the mix and you get serbia

>>53737686
so you don't have sun, you don't have alcohol
holy shit

>>53737574
I have heard that alcohol in the nordics is almost as expensive as gold, thats why they must get out of the country just to get some alcohol.

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>>53739754
>>53739924
I wish I could have experienced it.
>get a box of bullets and a 24 pack with your friends
>drink and drive all the way out innawoods
>shoot empty cans and trees and junk
>drive back, drunk and taking potshots at road signs.
My dad had fun in college

>>53740053
last time I checked a pint of beer was £12 in Oslo.

...how are these people alive?

>>53739859
Well Alko (the finnish liquor store) was founded in 1932 and Systembolaget in 1955.

>>53740206
norwegians are rich as fuck

>>53740206
That's an expensive pint even for Norway. Also, obviously you drink store-bought stuff before you go out if you want to get drunk, you don't pay for more than one or two items at a bar or club if you care about your wallet.

I have a friend from up there and he told me booze over there is a bit more expensive, probably the most expensive in the entire world, so they all just go to Estonia or some place like that and buy like infinite amounts of booze.

>>53738653
>Prevent alcoholism
>Still plenty of alcoholism to go around
How long will the health ministry keep repeating this mantra to keep up unfair monopoly and unfair taxation. Also I like to remind you, major population knows how to handle alcohol, it is once again that the majority needs to suffer because of the minority can't keep their shit in order. That's the general story of this country...

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>>53737574
10:00-18:00 on weekdays
10:00-15:00 on Saturdays
closed on Sunday and holidays

>>53737574

This happens in many States as well.

My state controls the whole sale of all spirits.

Virginia has the ABC stores.

>>53738469
For a single store Vinmonopolet has an excellent selection. The problem is that they're the only places in town so as a whole it's still pretty limited.

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>>53738812
I can understand the anti-government sentiment but why the hell do you care if people see what kind of alcohol you are buying? Or are you one of those people that go into the liquor store to buy non-alcoholic wine and you don’t want your friends to know about it?

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>mfw I could go to my local Dognnetto and buy some beer or spirits right fucking now
And it's only ~11:30PM

>>53741429
>but why the hell do you care if people see what kind of alcohol you are buying?
Well, personally, I buy a lot of girly drinks like Kopparberg and Rekorderlig ciders. I don't want other people to see me buying that shit.

>>53741651
But you have to buy Tuborg, that's quite harsh penalty of its own.

>>53741708
You are one of those people who don't buy shit paper because they fear "oh my god, now people think I shit".

>>53741712
>implying Tuborg is bad
Tuborg Classic is where it's at senpai

>>53741708
''I like the taste.'' should be a perfectly valid explanation unless the people are 18-year olds pretending to be heavy drinkers in which case why do you care what morons think?

>>53741338
Personally I'd rather have everything I could ever want in one store, than have to run around town to find what I want. Also, if beer selection in stores are anything to go by, you'd have only one or two brands that are better than mediocre in most stores if it was free competition. My local Vinmonopol on the other hand has ~2000 different items in store, and even small shitty ones in places where about 3 people live usually have ~500.

>>53742119
It is still unfair markets where state tells you what you can do. Also if you opened up the alcohol markets you could have stores specialized in something like whiskey store, beer store. Would also open doors for easier local production as there would more stores you could get your product into, now you are at the mercy of y our local vinmonopelet.

>>53741771
>he actually buys papier du púpú

>>53742349
>Also if you opened up the alcohol markets you could have stores specialized in something like whiskey store, beer store.
This. Last time I was in Vienna they had a specialty beer store the size of a Vinmonopolet but with all beer.

>>53737574

7pm weekdays
3pm saturdays
closed sunday

>>53737950

>only in Sweden

And Norway, and Finland, and several states in the US.

I'm not a fan, personally, but Systembolaget does have a great selection. It's not a shitty store, literally the only thing wrong with it is bad opening hours.

>>53742349
>easier local production as there would more stores you could get your product into
I don't know how it is in Finland, but here Vinmonopolet actually tries its best to promote local products, whereas with <4.7% beer in supermarkets they carry almost only large international brands (and they do stuff like make producers pay for shelf space).

>>53742480
Specialized stores wouldn't happen anywhere other than Oslo, and maybe Bergen/Trondheim. elsewhere it would all be lowest common denominator stuff with shitty selection.

>>53741708
Why do you give a shit about what people at the store thinks about you?

>>53742697
Well, I do live in Trondheim after all.

>>53742697
>>53742119
Also just because you would open up the markets, doesn't mean Vinmonopolet has to shut down. It could specialize in something, maybe it could be the finer store with more expensive (and better quality) products.
I know some people find it fine, but I generally hate any unnatural monopoly as it reduces personal freedom.

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>>53737574
The monopoly isn't the problem.

The massive tax on alcohol is the problem.

Just let me buy my booze at a reasonable price

reeeeeeeeeee

>>53742743
So do I, and I doubt the selection would improve, since there's already 5 stores here with excellent selection (Valentinlyst is best though), while it would significantly worsen in the districts.. I'd rather focus on lowering prices/taxes, than trying to improve what already works very well.

>>53742697

>I don't know how it is in Finland, but here Vinmonopolet actually tries its best to promote local products

Systembolaget does the same, and the process of ordering local shit across the country is very streamlined and easy to make use of. Basically what it means is that microbrews, vineyards and the like get a distribution network free of charge, so it's actually -easier- to git gud here than in many places where booze is let free.

>>53742907
"Muh feelings" isn't a valid reason to act though. The result is what matters.

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>mfw scandis pay £8 for a pint

>>53743045
Personal freedoms aren't "muh feelings" though. Freedom of speech/thought etc are all personal freedoms.

>>53742907

>it reduces personal freedom.

How though? I mean, even if booze was a free for all, you'd still have an age limit most likely, like we do with tobacco. It's not like Alko, Vinmonopolet or Systembolaget only sell their shit to only a privileged class or some shit, anyone is welcome as long as they are of age.

Not sure if being allowed to run your own liqour store should be considered a right, is all I'm saying. Where does it end, do we have full anarchy and allow people to set up market stalls in the street for fucking uranium and whatnot because MUH FREEDOM IS PARAMOUNT?

>>53742964
There's 5 stores with the _same_ selection.

>>53742569
Local/state government (except Pennsylvania) doesn't operate stores, only laws, and license.

In California, alcohol is sold 6am-2am all 7 days. Also, no restriction on type means you see beer, wine, and hard liquor sold at grocery stores, convenience stores, and gas stations.

Taxes on wine, spirits, and beer is also relatively lower here compared to some other states.

Even shitskin immigrants hate living in Nordicshit countries. Slow internet, shit tier food, small flats, pathetic weather and boring people.

>>53743165
I'm talking about what's in stock. That's a bit different between them. If you include what you can order it's obviously the same all over the country (~16000 items last I checked).

>>53743124
Buying from a monopoly or free competition isn't the same as censorship or free speech. Especially when the free competition in question would significantly worsen availability or selection for a large part of the population. Vinmonopolet needs the profitable stores in cities on order to afford the ones in the districts (the population is spread out a lot). With free market liquor sales, you'd get maybe marginal improvements in cities, and jack shit elsewhere.

>>53742907
>free markets
>free trade

No such thing. The sooner you realize that the sooner your country will begin to get rich.

America is rich because America has power and effective foreign policy. We use our market power to force other countries to give us preferential treatment.

Alcohol is a drug. A strong one at that. Hence it isn't allowed a "free" market.

It's because our countries would have collapsed otherwise.

However the ban could probably be lifted nowadays, we have learnt how to drink responsibly by now.

>>53743148
Well that's a slippery slope you have there... from alcohol monopoly to uranium stalls.

Let's forget all the economic downsides a monopoly has and focus on the social side. Like you said, what if I want to open up a beer store which provide people interested in beers place to not only discuss but to make new findings. You know alcohol consumption doesn't always need to be over the top getting wasted, but as a hobby?

And to answer to your (even though rather shallow) argument of "where does it end". It also works the other way. High sugar content and fatty (fast food) are higher threat than alcohol to well being of society, yet we don't monopolise those?
I like the safety net a nordic model offers, but I feel like we have gone over the line where it is too much of nanny state. Especially here if anything negative happens the first reaction is to ban anything and everything, as if we could prevent all the misery in world by denying access to.

>>53743095
They just take the ferry to Tallinn.

>>53743248
>Slow internet
Lol

Also all you said are pretty much what everybody think of Belgians and Belgium. Fuck, come talk to us when you're not an imaginary country.

>>53743607
>beer store which provide people interested in beers place to not only discuss but to make new findings
That's called a bar.

>>53738576
Nowadays though it's just a way for the state to get them tax monies. People don't want to drink themselves blind every day anymore so it only fills the purpose of decreasing purchasing power.

Which is why smuggling of alcohol is incredibly profitable in Norway, Sweden and Finland and is a really big industry.

>>53743095
I'd say the most expensive pint I've had in Denmark was probably only ~5£, and this was at a restaurant and not a real pub where it's mostly a £ or two cheaper.

>>53743700
Here in Belgium we have some of the fastest internet in the world, you idiotic cuck.

>>53743607

>what if I want to open up a beer store which provide people interested in beers place to not only discuss but to make new findings. You know alcohol consumption doesn't always need to be over the top getting wasted, but as a hobby?

Well, running a specialized bar would fill this requirement, most of it anyway, just people wouldn't be able to buy stuff to take home. We have a local brewery in my town that does this, for example. I see your point though.

>>53743771
I bet every nordic country has better internet than belgium lol.

>>53743785
They are trying to give bars the ability to sell wines and beers (first step to dissolving the monopoly), but who knows if it'll ever pass. Especially now with all the focus on immigrants and shoddy economic situation, we even had the government willing to do those changes. Lefties here are extremely unwilling for those changes.

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>>53743771
>>53743248
>slow internet
Yeah, ok
>inb4 muh cherry picking
It's literally a standard subscription from the municipal power company, one of the cheapest ones you can get.

As if you'd need anything faster than 100mbps anyway.

>>53743826
You are not wrong in that regard. But why does it matter? (our internet is fast enough)
Are you so impatient to watch that interracial cuck porn, you all love?

>>53740865
Exactly.

Finns go to Estonia. Swedes go to Germany. And the Norwegians, the poor sods, go to Sweden.

>>53743999

>But why does it matter?

... because you just fucking said we have slow internet? Are you having a dissociative episode or something?

>live in Austria
>have highest alcohol consumption in the modern world
>everyone smokes
>diet consists solely of red meat

>despite this we have low crime, low obesity and long life expectancies

Based

>>53744051
I was satirising the comments made by refugees.

>>53744000

tbf, a Norwegian shopping in Sweden is about economically equal to a Swede shopping in Estonia or (for booze only) in Germany.

... feels 3rdworld, man

>>53743999
>But why does it matter?
You brought it up you dumb cunt... Also you're boring, don't even bother to try.

>>53744107

I think they mostly complain because there's no internet (since they only have phones they'd have to be quartered in a coffee shop or fast food joint to get free wi-fi).

Personally I love it when they literally DEMAND luxuries, making their own coffins one nail at a time so to speak. kek, even my previously SJWish sister is like GAS THE SANDPEOPLE RACE WAR NOW these days after all their entitlement shit.

What sucks, in my opinion, is that breweries can sell their products freely out from their own shops or online stores. That should be changed asap.

>>53744109
I worked in Liechtenstein and Switzerland and the increase in wage didn't cover a lifestyle compared to the one I could have in Austria. Swiss especially is rip off central, they have low quality goods for high prices.

meant can't sell.

>>53744109
Not anymore man. Their crown is worth less than ours right now. That has instantly made all Swedish products 20 % more expensive for them.

Which is bad for us too, they are our biggest trading partner.

>>53744238
>>53744297
I don't know how it works in Finland but in Sweden you can order any microbrew you want and get it delivered to your local systembolag.

Basically you tell the staff you want this and that drink and they order it for you.

>>53744392

Works the same all over, but you have to admit that it's far more cumbersome than to just go the the company itself to buy (if you live close by that is)

>>53744269
Complete bullshit, I was also working in switzerland and if you are using your money smart (you know what to buy, which insurances, etc...), then you get a lot more money out at the end of the month than in Austria.

of course it depends what kind of life style you have. If you are a chimp and always need to eat out or buy expensive goods, then you are fucked.

>>53741708
Exactly. I pretend it's for m-muh gf every time while checking out.

>>53744559
Well of course. But I agree with what some other anon said that our system is probably better for the micro brews than an unregulated market because of more expensive distribution and less "reach" with their products.

>>53741708
>Kopparberg
>Rekorderlig

*jewing intensifies*

>>53744392
It's the same in Finland, but I'd rather get my beer from a local brewerys shelf, which is located 200m from where I live, than go to nearest alko to order it.

>>53737686
>>53737904
>>53737624

So can I bring alcohol to a nordic cunt? Like if I bring a case of beer from the land of the Gods(Romania) to Sweden,will the sharia police allow me to enter?
How about sending someone a bottle of booze via mail?

I can't buy alcohol after midnight in my state

>>53744793
This, there have been a lot of discussion on allowing breweries and vineyards to sell their stuff directly.

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>>53737574
why, my peenus weanus of course :)

hahah! :D

it's my weeeeeeeeeenus peenus! :) hahah

ITT: Why does govt control alcohol in Nordic countries - the answer is, of course, my peanus weenus :D

hahaha!

>>53744867
I don't know the rules for non-citizens, but Swedish citizens may bring certain amounts legally.

We can't buy alcohol at gas stations because of Poles.

It's a system only in place to make the govt. money at this point. It's been shown time and time again how it leads to more drinking. Most people I know make sure to always have alcohol at home, which leads to many drinking more than they otherwise would. People also tend to buy more when they're there, since they know it isn't available at any time.

The only thing it's ever been proven to do to counter the issue of alcoholism is making it a more costly vice.

In Belgium we can buy whatever alcohol and whenever we want to. And it's cheap as fuck. VERY CHEAP.

>>53744867
Seem like you romanians don't abide by any law anyway so why not?

>>53744867
iirc, you can bring the equivalent of 1 liter with an alcohol content of 40%. I'm not sure how they calculate it, but I think it roughly amounts to 24 cans of beer or 3-4 bottles of wine. Flights are different for some reason. People bring in vast amounts all the time, though, so you should be fine. 14-year-old girls in the suburbs will love you.

>>53737574
You're saying it as if it's a bad thing. Not at all, our tax-free stores are open.

>>53745312
I'll have you know that I recycle,you chink!

At least we're allowed to drink in public.

>>53749762
With all the migrants flowing in who knows if that's a good idea anymore

>>53739093
Haven u got any hands to chop off, Leopold al-Muhammed?