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England >too many to count
France >Albert Camus
US > Jack Kerouac
Japan >Mishima Yukio
Russia >Фёдop Mихáйлoвич Дocтoéвcкий
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>>53719979
i saw 2 japense guys in Train, they talked japanese and they look cool, but they also said something about the snow.
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>>53719979
France is shit. It's all nonsense. Russia or Germany perhaps.
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>>53719979
>Mishima over Natsume Sōseki
Confirmed for not knowing shit and not being Japanese
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>>53720064
>Germany
For example?
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>>53719979
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Russia probably and not only literature
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>>53720095
>Natsume Sōseki
Boring. just antiques.
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>>53720116
who? Beard papa?
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PESSOA
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>>53720205
thanks i'll google it (^ ^)
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We have fantastic novelists such as Oğuz Atay, Yaşar Kemal...
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>>53720186
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Tolstoy
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>>53720098
Goethe, Nietzsche, Kafka, Hesse, Grass, Rilke, Mann, &c.
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>>53720288
I'm not familiar with muslim literature. sounds interesting interesting for me!!
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Among mainstream Russians I probably prefer Gogol and Bulgakov. Talking about modern, espite all the hate from kids who want to be different, early Pelevin is brilliant.
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Out of western countries:
French lit = Russian > English > German
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>>53720493
this
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>>53720423
>turks
>muslims
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>>53720423
>I'm not familiar with muslim literature.
It's not Muslim literature. We didn't produce books about Islam. The writers I told wrote nothing about Islam.
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>>53720666
isn't it?
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>>53720410
Schiller, lessing, heine, brecht
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>>53720725
I know only Hesse and Anne Frank
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>>53720780
Then your opinion really isn't worth much
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>>53720935
Exactcy :D
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>>53720288
If we forget about memepolytics for a second, Orhan Pamuk is also pretty good. He's like turkish Garcia Marquez
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>France
>Albert Camus
Is this a joke ?
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Russia>Germany>France>England imo, but I haven't read a whole lot of French literature outside of Sartre, Camus and Houllebecq
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>>53720998
OP is faggot, don't worry
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>>53720205
MACHADO
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>>53720983
Turkish people don't like Orhan Pamuk very much because of his political views.
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>>53721103
Yeah, I know
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>>53721025
>I haven't read a whole lot of French literature outside of Sartre, Camus and Houllebecq
Seriously make it stop
Why do foreigners only know about Camus and Sartre ?
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willy poo bum

r8 mystery poem please
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>>53720998
People who major in French literature at Japanese uni don't read French literature much and they tend to watch french movies directed by Truffaut,Godard,Bresson t b h
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>>53721157

Exactly, de Sade is objectively the greatest writer
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If you like poems try chinese ones. There are really good ones written during the dynasties. But after commies everything went to muck. Try li bai
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>>53721157
Because they are the most well known and have written several books considered as classics. Retarded question tbqh
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>France
>Albert "I'll be unconventional for them lulz" Camus


Oh OP you jolly old prankster. Anyways, Russia, France and Great Britain have each conceived the pinnacle of litterature, and nothing will ever rival the litterature golden age that spanned from 1700 to 1900.
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Russia
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>>53721157
/lit/ memes
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>>53721157
I like Rabelais, Flaubert and Proust.
Sartre is a fucking meme
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>>53721263
Strange that the world regard them as our greatest classics, whilst Zola, Proust and Balzac are those most heralded as the greatest in France. Fucking hell, even Molière and de Musset are more exported than Racine.
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>>53720493
this
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Germany.
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Leopold von Sacher-Masoch
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>>53719979
russia
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books are for fags
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Germany>Russia>USA>Netherlands>Belgium>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>UK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>France

Contemporary French literature is good though.
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>>53720848
This guy is ein Gott desu
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>>53721260
The only great thing Sade wrote is "Dialogue Between a Priest and a Dying Man"

>>53721263
>they are the most well known
That's what I don't understand, why are they so famous while GOAT authors like Mauriac, Gide, Gracq, Valéry, Gary, Céline and Proust are less known ?

>>53721385
The XVIIth century seems totally unknown outside of France
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Why are you guys so obsessed with Russian literature
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>>53721263
>>53721523
(and I'm only talking about the XXth century)
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>>53721557
Because it's perfect for depressed neets.
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>>53721385
In Russia Pushkin and Gogol are considered the best but Dostoevsky, Tolstoy and Chekhov are more popular on the west
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>>53721523
I would guess the rest of the world didn't like their novels as much. I don't know why you think you should be the judge of what is good or not.
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>no Robert Merle
Even if he is quite known in France, I'm quite sad to see him overshadowed by the like of camus, céline and co for the XX.
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>not named Cervantes

mm
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>>53721496
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>>53721600
It's the same with Ibsen and Hamsun in Norway.
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>>53721667
>Charles Dickens
>not pleb tier and boring as fuck
>muh poor people
Good for film adaptations, however.
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>>53720780
Read Goethe's The Sorrows of Young Werther, I just finished that last night for the second time. If you're a romantically inclined person then you will be sure to enjoy it.
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Russian Literature tldr: letter, rubles, renting a room, gloom, cabbage soup, red beard, land dispute, guest room, frock, cheek, muzhik, poverty, poker, snow, detailed descriptions, descriptions that last for 15 pages without dialogue, descriptions, cold, crisis, misery, captain, captains girl, absurdly realistic characters with all their faults, everyone being known by 15 different names, german officer.
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>>53720186
>>53719979
Also I recommend you to read this guy:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Vampilov

He also points on existencial questions in regular life (of soviet people in mid 70s), and his works are easy to read (well, in russian).
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>>53721883
>everyone being known by 15 different names
lel true af
This always interested me. Why is that the case?
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Can (East) Asians even into 'soulful' literature (excepting Japs)?
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Why does Shakespeare always get the snub when it fucking counts?

Also, does everyone really meme on American so hard here that they refuse to recognise they've produced some of the best writers of the last 100 years?
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>>53721866
>Read Goethe's The Sorrows of Young Werther
Shit advice, as much as I like Faust, the Sorrows of Young Werther is really bad (even though interesting because it gives a clear overview of the romantic ideal).
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Albania >Ismail Kadare
Highly recommend.
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>>53721999
Asians have no souls. Especially japs
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>>53722045
Except Japs have actually produced 'soulful' literature, utter idiot.
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>>53722004
Only americans think like that
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>>53722059
Manga is not literature
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LITWO
OJCZYZNO MOJA
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>>53722098

Thanks for proving my point.
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>>53721925
Those are just short names with suffixes that depend on person of whom or to whom one speaks:
Aлeкcaндp, Caшa, Caшeнькa, Caшyля, Caня, Caныч & so on.
Also we used to call a well-known friend using their patronim: Ивaн Пeтpoвич -> Пeтpoвич!
And a family name of a character depends on their gender.
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>>53722004
USA literature>UK literature
UK literature is pleb and mundane af, a bit like French literature.

>>53722108
Did I suggest that?
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>>53721866
>>53721923
Arigato~ i'll check them on Amazon.
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/lit/ is gay
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>>53722045
b-but Akutagawa...
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>>53721925
I think he is baiting. People have
Name
Father's name
Surname
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>>53722178
ayyyy
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>>53721883
Makes for good fucking books.
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>>53722137
Joseph Conrad > Słowacki >Mickiewisz >>>>Sienkiewicz
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>>53722240
You also call people by their profession or occupation (student, officer, etc).
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>>53722211
Mishima a.k.a. Seppuku writer had passion. I love him.
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>>53722303
Stanisław Lem?
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>>53722303
What about Gombrowicz ?
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>>53722254
Don't reply to my posts you filthy waffleman.
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>>53722340
>>53722381
They were good lads too
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>>53722303
>Mickiewisz
Remember his poem about Saint-Peterburg, lol

>>>>Sienkiewicz
One polish here said he was a great writer. I didn't read him, but I have one big book of him. Is he that bad cause of tl;dr?
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>>53722306
I have no idea what you're talking about.
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>>53721600
Confirm that. As people say in our country "Pushlin is a Sun of Russian poetry".

France (classic), Germany( Gete), Japan (only hokku), GB (Shakespeare), US (Twain), Poland (Lem). There was many excellent writers from all this countries. If we'll take some counts and stats (France, i think, will win).
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>>53722429
Good taste, teabro.
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Could someone remind me why do we still have literature when we can simply use comparison arrows?
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>>53723191
>be me
>read you post
>become the unrivalled meme arrow writer
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>>53721496
Are you kidding me? France has inspired the Golden Age of Russian literature, and such writers as Hugo, Stendhal and Balzac are God-tier.
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>>53721385
My father as a school student had been sending mails to girls by rewriting phrases in french from Tolstoy's "War and Peace" since he didn't french, but qts thought he knew and liked it. lol
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>>53723252
Your statement is right even if those arrows aren't comparing.
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>>53719979
>England >too many to count
I don't know even one that isn't pleb level
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>>53723820
Finally a sensible German. You must be of Ashkenazi descent.
UK literature is pleb as fuck. American literature is the only good Anglo literature.
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Luxembourg>>>>>ALL
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>>53723456
>Belgium
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>>53723820
>>53723867
>butthurt continentals thinking their opinions matter
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>>53722324
looks like a turk in this pic
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>>53723994
So, can you give me an example?
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>>53724080
Shakespeare for a start
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>>53723994
>australia
>not the least cultured place in the world
even poo-in-the-loo has more culture

Why are you so butthurt about the fact that I prefer American literature over Britbong literature?
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>>53724142
>Shakespeare
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US
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>>53724142
Lol
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>>53723997
>doesn't have feelers, pincers and 8 legs

>>53724156
>belgium
you're a literal non country mate. nothing a belgian says or does means anything to anyone, you are the international equivalent of an administrative error. now go back molesting your 8 year old sex slave and let the adults talk.
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>>53724290
They have one or two good writers tough
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>>53724290
>8 legs
>cockroach

Ausfailian education...
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What is wrong with Shakespeare?
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>>53724142
>a cheap version of Moliere
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THE ONLY CORRECT ANSWERS ARE: GERMANY, RUSSIA AND USA. In no particular order.
I don't know much about Polish literature and intellectuals though (solely due to my ignorance), so maybe I should check it out. I guess it could be pretty good.
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>>53724416
it's casual stuff for plebs.

Like Goethe here.
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>>53724331
I swear I typed 6
>>53724329
Has Dutroux released an autobiography?
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>>53724276
>>53724472
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>>53724472
Goethe is not pleb tier. It's easy and simple to understand but not pleb.
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>>53724476
>Has Dutroux released an autobiography?
kek
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>>53724530
>Goethe is not pleb tier
Goethe is the Schiller for the poor brain.
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>>53719979
>France >Albert Camus
>
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>>53724653
You can have him, we don't want him here
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>>53722020
thanks for recomendation
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Every British writer and French writer, with the exception of Houellebecq, René Guénon and Louis Ferdinand Celine, are and were shit. FACT
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What's so great or bad about the literature of each country?
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>>53724880
>England

Bad: It's mainly simple entertainment for people who don't want to think much

good: who knows?
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>>53724653
>pied noir
>algerian
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>>53725020
Why is simple?
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>>53721193

I give it 2 out of 10 potatoes

enjoy your starvation, mick
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Can someone recommend some good serbian/croatian literature and say briefly, why these are interesting?
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>>53725046
I read Orwell and Huxley. And it's just romans, not even well written.

Hobbs and Locke is very easy thought philosophy.

And Shakespear never tried to be more tham pleb level. His plays were mainly visitied by plebs and he wrote it for plebs.
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>>53725218
>read 5 authors
>judge a whole literature
Interesting.
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>>53725377
tell me what could be a little more worthy and less simple minded?
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>>53725377
>a whole literature
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>>53725218
>Hobbs and Locke is very easy thought philosophy.
Hahaha certainly a German answer.
But the question remains, why is it an easy thinking?
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My top five:
France, Russia, Japan, Czech Republic and Hungary.
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>>53725526
>my supreme intellect is above the folklore of the great unwashed
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>>53725526
Sterne maybe. Milton, Tennyson and Woolf too.

>>53725544
What ? Is it grammatically incorrect ?
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>>53725877
Well Sterne is maybe somthing I should try.

cya in a week
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>>53725876
For your simple pleasure it might me enough.
But some of us read a lot anf got bored from reading always the same shematics with all look a like stereotypical characters.
It's like reading the same book again and again.
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>>53725784
Let us just take the core ideas of those writters like social contract or the division of political power.

The division of power was already a common idea in Italian Republics of the 14-15th century.
This is pretty much just a logical conclusion if live in a time where different interest groups fight each other on a political stage.

>social contract
In Hobbs writting it is a very simple explained concept which comes out the very same idea.
In his writting he describes a natur of human in a very very simplified way of everyone fights for his own interest.

Just compare this kind of thoughts with german philosophers like Hegel, Feuerbach or Schobenhauer.
Even Nietzsche who is quite simple to read and to understand has a more deeper thought on the human mind.
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>>53719979
russia tbqh , dostoevsky's good but he's a meme-author theres plenty of amazing dostoevsky-era russian writers .
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>>53720998
>US
>Jack Kerouac
Not the only joke m8. This jap doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about, just dropping popular names
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>>53725218
I want to be contrarian and edgy so I people think I'm smart the post
Smh famali
Shakespeare was acclaimed by the greatest Minds of the time he brought great prestige to England and only autistic teenagers called him shit desu
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>>53733705
>you don't like flat entertainment you must be an autistic teenager, contrarian who thinks he is smart

Insults out of butthurt the post. kek
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Ireland has the best literature.
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>>53719979
>placing Cumes and Dostoevsky in one line with Kerouac
Nigger, are you even literature?
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>>53719979
The only people that doubt English literature as number one are contrarians.
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>>53734538
most of the best irish writers were anglo-irish
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Did Communism kill Russias culture for good?
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Atwood, Davies, the list could go on.
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>>53722005
You shut your whore mouth. Honestly, why are French people allowed to write.
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>>53734538
Lel. No, that's just something they made up to give Irish people a sense of pride. Just like black history month in the USA.
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>>53720410
>Kafka
>German
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>53734669
They still wrote good books under communist rule though

T. Bulgakov
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>>53720725
Haven't read any of them yet. I only know of Ode an die Freude by Schiller.
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>>53734797
Margaret Atwood a shit and not just because she rustles my MRA jimmies
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>>53734669
nope
>>53721923
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>>53720998
EST-CE QUE TA MAMAN EST MORTE AUJOURD'HUI
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>>53721600
Chekhov is comfy af desu.
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>>53734890
My bad. I was thinking of German speaking authors. Should've added Ed Kant and Schoppy.
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>>53734890
He wrote in German
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>>53735111
All great writers who wrote in German were either of Jewish descent OR mentally ill & brilliant in their own special Germanic way (eg. Nietzsche).
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>too many to count

Same with France, lad...
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>>53734987
I do believe that the censorship that was applied during in the Soviet Union severly hindered writers.
Who knows how many stories have dissapeared because of the party?
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>>53735000
POO
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>>53720064
Poo pls
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>>53735188
>Nietzsche
How can someone consider this dude who invented being contrarian to everything a brilliant?

Also he wasn't mentally ill the most of his time.
Just because w writer don't writes standart lovestories and football games doesn't makes him mentally ill.

Holly shit I just hope you will kill yourself for such a disgusting comment.
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>>53735328
Nietzsche was a fantastic poet, almost prophetic.
The only one being a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian is you, bro.
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France and Russia. All other nations have at most 3 great novelists, France and Russia have whole traditions of them. Germany has as many good writers, but most of them were philosophers so it doesn't count.

t. /lit/erate
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>>53734871
>being such a pleb
I'm sorry for you
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>>53735411
>Nietzsche was a fantastic poet
Exactly he was a horrible philosopher.
But he had an interesting way to write.

Both does not make him a brilliant or mentally ill.
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>>53735455
>he doesn't know Borchert, Brecht and Hesse
>he never thought about Schiller,
>who Georg Büchner
>What is a Kafka
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>>53735499
Dying after a long period of catatonia in a disease process that looks quite a bit like syphilis probably makes him mentally ill though
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>>53720064
is this some kind of ruse ?
or perhaps it is only that poo is the main divinity for you so we're divine
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>>53735975
>being mentally ill in a high age at a time without high developed medicine

That's nothing special at all. Also Siphilis is not a mental illness.
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>>53720116
Nope, he's absolutely Ainu.
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>>53735215
Brodsky said the soviet censorshirp was a good thing since if you want to write about truth, you should be smarter then censors. But the censorship was that stupid in case of pointing reason for calling smth god or bad *sigh* like calling A-ha a punk band or somewhat that like.
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>>53734557
Ikr, dostoyevski is a fucking garbage
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>>53721157
>Why do foreigners only know about Camus and Sartre ?
yeeeeah don't forget about dumas. otherwise french has nothing on swedish literature. literally the best literature in da woooorld!
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Old world
England/Spain

New World
Argentina/America
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>>53720493
This. You just can't compare English literature to French or Russian. Latter have far superior novels and poetry. English writers are overrepresented bymedia because muh global language.
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