1. Your cunt
2. If Russia invaded your ally would you fight with them?
Russia has been modernizing in recent years, and that's not getting into the feasibility of a land invasion.
It's easy to talk about war when your life isn't on the line fighting it.
We're in an alliance for a fucking reason, so yes, I would support the USA's intervention of a defensive war of one of our allies
Keking at the pussies who think alliances are just paper tigers
I'll speak for my country and by extension the entire western world thank you much.
If you unironically fear Russia then you're too stupid to be allowed residency in rhe UK and you need to go back to Eastern Poland.
stop, humiliating yourself, burgerfriend
I question the value of an alliance when we're the ones who have to provide defense if someone else is invaded, but can't expect any help in return if our country was getting attacked directly.
If we had the same K/D ratio against Russia as we did against the NVA it would be a very quick war indeed.
Personally I'd be satisfied with that but given the discrepency in capability it's likely to be even more lopsided.
He has a weird fetish with that shit. It's fucking clouding his logical thinking and making us look like fucking idiots in front of our allies
Military/political experts here are baffled and can't figure out why is he so fucking keen on pulling our jets out of Iraq. He still hasn't given a logical explanation, and never will because there isn't one.
Are there any bored russians here who will listen to my russian and tell me if it sounds understandable?
just started learning it about 8 months prior, just learned how to trill my r's 7 months prior..
Even if we take the jets out, JTF2, training personnel, and our transports will stay either way.
We probably won't even pull our jets out. There is no logical reason to and Trudeau will have to admit it soon
The real weakness of Russia is in the Russian mentality toward governance. Russians only respect strength and force, much like niggers in that regard.
The don't think about quality of life, they don't understand economics, all they can comprehend is a strongman who can supposedly protect them from some "hostile" outside power. This role currently being played by the United States.
So how do you defeat Russia? Cut off the head.
I don't think Russia is any threat to anyone's sovereignty.
The biggest threat is America and """European""" """"Union""""
Russia barerly holds itself together. Attacking any country would be a huge problem for them. Also I don't think China would sit on their asses if Russia was occupied with another war. China joining in would also mean USA joining in. And here, you sparkled a Third World war.
Not people, your elite. And I mean ELITE.
You're funding Israel,recolonizating the middle east. You control the western media in which you can make a boogeyman of anyone. You create the terrorists.
China already said no to Merkel. They don't want any relations with Europe.
Chineese have that special mentality when they look forward and back in a matter of centuries, not only few years.
>China is a serious threat to American hegemony.
Their collapsing economy is a kick in the nuts to the Dow at the moment but it's nothing we can't soldier through. We've dealt with worse.
>Why do people glorify them when they're the most pathetic people on earth?
>Not wanting to die for some corrupt gouverments in eastern europe
You are free to enlist, Ill stay here and drink beer.
>China already said no to Merkel. They don't want any relations with Europe.
So what? In politics its all very unstable. In Russia vs China conflict EU is natural Chinese ally. EU is greatest USA rival now as well.
>People with zero understanding of politics
USA and China don't need Russia. China and USA are economical lovers. China is #1 market now, it makes many things for western companies, it buys what west makes. Russia is an outsider on this party.
Every reputable economist on earth figures China is experiencing 3-5% growth right now. Factor that to demographics and you have a borderline collapse. Ignoring it won't change reality, China is kill.
>Every reputable economist on earth figures China is experiencing 3-5% growth right now. Factor that to demographics and you have a borderline collapse. Ignoring it won't change reality, China is kill.
Your paid "economists"?
Nice of you to lack any arguments and jsut scream "shill" like typical monkey. Keep believing in American economy. You'll be lucky to not break out in the next few years.
>China is kill.
-Americans since the 80s
>Every reputable economist on earth figures China is experiencing 3-5% growth right now.
Because they slowed it down artificially and 5% is still great for an emerging industrial country like China.
>Factor that to demographics
One child policy was canceled. Theyll be fine.
>he's too poor to own stock
You're right m8, China's fine, those of us with means only got completely assfucked in the markets the last two weeks because of memes.
China is crashing hard and capital is gloeing out like a sieve.
Good and we wont for Poland or Estonia. They can fight and we will be the peaceful Germans, like you always wished.
Why fight if we can sell and buy shit from both sides? Same we do now in the Ukraine conflict. German companies simply dont care about the sanctions.
A country is never too big for something.
Not really. It will pretty much only make official what is already the case: That Germany doesnt want and doesnt have the capabilities to defend anything but Gemany itself.
Strong countries don't need NATO anymore. Germany can own all Europe in about 20 years if it leaves NATO. They can get more influence than USA if they get rid of it themselves of course :D
Germany can't do shit until they realize purchasing ammunition for their rifles isn't LITERALLY HITLER.
Fuck Germans desu, they have the weakest minds in history.
Any "nation" that invented communism, fell enamored with fascism, and is now drunk on pacifistic liberal globalism is a nation of subnormal intellectual idiots.
Germany needs to be balkanized.
Name one single country that is realistically in a position to attack Germany with its army and withstand the following international sanctions. There is none. Same goes for Belgium or Austria, which isnt even in NATO.
No need for NATO anymore.
Not really. There are enough examples of big countries that stand outside of conflicts.
One being the USA who didnt pick a side in WW1 until its president really wanted to wage war and kill some peasants to fuel the American industry.
And the 5% means that the situation will slowly improve as it is currently doing.Only around 6/7% are still extremely poor by the way. Not 40.
>implying Russia could afford to invade anyone without collapsing within a year when their whole economy is based on selling natural gas to Europe
>implying they would even gain anything out of starting a war
>implying Russia could even hold any territory they gained in a war they somehow won
>implying China would allow Russia to seriously fuck with the global economy
>implying NATO isn't just about bombing third world shitholes and preventing EU defense integration
>implying what's guaranteeing peace is some tanks and planes in the Baltic countries and not mutual destruction
>tfw Russia invades an Eastern European nation and the Anglosphere are the only ones who rise to defend them
>The question is basically 'would you start WW3 over Estonia or Latvia'
ya if they need to be defended and they are in NATO then of course you should help your ally
just because they are small doesn't mean you can just let russia invade them
im kinda glad that germans are slowly bing replaced
Not really. You cant stage great naval invasions against other modern countries anymore and every other country in europe+China would economically destroy the US for such a move.
Its not the 18th century.
The German army is very capable of defending the country.
I see you didnt do the math.
>implying China would allow Russia to seriously fuck with the global economy
I kind of want to see them do something, because they abstain from pretty much everything in world affairs.
Serious question... why are we at odds with Russia in this day and age? They're not the Soviet Union. They're capitalistic (mostly). They only disagree with the West on ideology, which can be mostly overlooked (we work with Saudi Arabia ffs).
Russia vs. the West is an idiotic neo-con fiesta perpetrated by boomers who can't leave the cold war behind. Let's work together with Russia. Imagine if we had a pan-Northern alliance. Russia joining NATO would make us absolutely untouchable. We could try and make a bridge in the Bering Strait to improve trade. I can see more Russian qt grills and Russians can see more Maine Coons and British Shorthairs.
Imagine the possibilities.
>They could, and would, invade the shit out of Germany if we didn't like Poland as much as we do.
Yeah and they would do the same with Kazakhstan or Switzerland if they werent in NATO. Thanks for saving us.
they just invaded their neighbor after they overthrew putin's puppet government
we are basicly in a proxy war with them right now in syria
are you retarded, ya were not cold war levels but we are from being on friendly terms with them.
W-why did Bush give Putin flowers?
>Doesn't matter, they would invade Poland, which matters.
No they couldnt. They couldnt invade Crimea without bombing their own economy. Would they invade Poland in a full scale invasion they would run out of supplies before being even out of base.
In case Russia invades Poland which would be the second?
Because you arent our friends and most people dont want to die in some cold shit hole with a strange name.
And we're trying to overthrow Assad to cripple Russian power in the region. Democracy and stability? We've defiled multiple Middle Eastern nations in order to stem Russian (then Soviet) expansion. Ukraine is harder to comment on, because, if my history is right, the Russian empire left the peninsula all Russian, and now they want to rejoin.
I'm going for the root though. WHY are we trying to counter them in Syria, when we can be working together? That's why I like Trump, he sees the potential in working together
>Seems like all of these countries share a direct border with Russia and have border disputes with the country.
the balts border russia and they are in NATO
would you not defend the balts?
They absolutely would invade Poland if they could, but you're right in that they couldn't without being shrekt.
The real question is why do we live in a world wherein Poland could 1v1 Germany in a matter of weeks?
The answer seems to be that Germans consider military protection to be the responsibily of Americans, but you always seem to forget that we hate you.
>Come and take Konigsberg then))
What for? It's a shithole with a naval base. The only value you get out of taking Königsberg is denying Russia a base there.
>Also, Ukraine, Crimea is waiting for you.
Crimea wasn't a war and all Russia got out of Novorossia was some production lines to maintain their 80ies vintage hardware.
There's a reason Russia didn't officially invade Ukraine and went with supporting militias instead.
The only value of Germany lies in its economy, an invasion would destroy that. You end up with 80 million more mouths to feed and have to somehow pay for an occupying force.
Driving some tanks out of their barracks and setting up a couple road blocks isn't a war.
If you're going to be neutral in military matters then you need to be also neutral in economic and political matters.
This half-assed pretend country bullshit is no longer cute when you're using it to destroy Europe.
>Poland could 1v1 Germany in a matter of weeks?
>The Polish arrive at the conclusion that the German military is twice their size and has five times the funds
>Polish ambassador asks for peace
>German chancellor didnt even know the declaration of war wasnt a joke
We could make it a comedy short film of some sort.
why would you not want to help the balts
they are your fellow europeans. americans know next to nothing about the balts but they would help them.
do you not have any sympathy for your european brothers in the baltics?
>Germany should be neutral regarding military conflicts
spineless thinking like that is the reason you're being over run by roving rape gangs
>wherein Poland could 1v1 Germany in a matter of weeks?
Are you aware that Poland has more tanks than Germany, the UK, and France combined?
I'd be willing to discuss air power insofar as it relates to neutralizing armor if any of Germany's planes could fly but reports suggest that isn't the case.
you are like the only country in russia's version of nato
in fact you are the only former eastern bloc country that still likes russia
why? every other country under russia hates them
>russiaboos are cancer
American's like you are cancer. I'm here trying to enjoy the remaining 60ish years of my life and you're actively trying to ruin it by dragging me into your bullshit.
>Are you aware that Poland has more tanks than Germany, the UK, and France combined?
And all supplies for these tanks come from Germany while all the workers maintaining the tanks are workers from a German company, you imbecile.
>you are the only former eastern bloc country that still likes russia
I personally am not all that into Russia and I prefer our country be more western-oriented, but the thing is the west doesn't see my poor little Belaruse as something that can prove useful for them.
Our gubmint on the other hand does because Russia supplies them with lower price gas and moreover they have access to their market.
Didn't even know this emblem, it's so NATO emblem-like.
>"ugh I don't wanna help my allies even if we're literally in a military alliance"
the fuck is the point of NATO then?
I'm glad Finland is not a member of NATO as it seems to be a group of fucking pussies.
The only way it would make sense is some guarantee of nukes
>the fuck is the point of NATO then?
NATO was specifically assembled to counter russian imperialism in western yurop
they fucked up hard by getting involved in the middle east instead.
This "alliance" has over exhausted itself and it's time to dissolve this white devil lie.
>the fuck is the point of NATO then?
To subsidize US adventurism, if NATO was still about defending Europe force composition would be similar to what it was like during the cold war but on a smaller scale.
The day I see US forces bombing moscow into dust is the day I will confirm your balls theory.
until then, oops, looks like the reds have won, joe.
>US has never won a war (despite starting the most)
>Russia who won against crusaders, mongols, napoleon, and hitler
>Destroying the balance of power in the Middle East, ruining stable countries and buying oil from Wahhabi goat fuckers to make them rich and able to fund terrorism.
>It's all Germoneys fault, I swear!
Sometimes I want to see every single American dead...
Neither do I want to fight for yours.
besides, you fuckers are too bolshevik broke from your Iraqi/afghani adventures. And now China wants it's loans back and whatcha gonna do? give them israel as collateral? lol
It's not like you pissons can afford to fight for my country.....or any other yuro "alliance"....lol
>They can fight and we will be the peaceful Germans, like you always wished.
>100% chance of victory.
that's what Napoleon and Hitler thought too. But everyone has to learn on his own.
Half of it courtesy of the US and the UK, but the other half courtesy of the Arab Spring and the half dozen civil wars and broken economies that occured as a result. The Arab Spring was undoubtedly the worst thing to happen to MENA since the invasion of Iraq.
you wouldnt be able to rally up all those Turk and Kurd refugees into a war frenzy to for for your "fatherland" even if you gave them double welfare and burned down the reichstagg again.
So long savages, you always were the weakest link. :^)
>100% chance of his country surviving this war
I wouldn't fight for any of those countries for any reason, actually I can't think of fighting for any other country than mine for any reason. Maybe Estonia but they'd be annexed before we can row over there.
Yet our elite wants us to join this bullshit phony alliance anyway.
>trusting the US and UK to fight for my country
you gotta be a pretty good naive goyim to fall for that kike ruse.
lol look whats happening with this "alliance" as all these anglo frauds shit their panties at the thought of holding up their word and reinforce Turkey.
It doesn't matter if you believe it, but it's the only reason why anyone would want to join NATO now.
Obviously, everything falls apart once NATO has to actually live up to its charter.
And I would completely trust them to honor those obligations. You know, if Russia were to actually attack us, they'd have some regime crazy enough to at least bluff about using nuclear weapons if the West gets involved. Would you help us? Nope.
At least we nailed a couple of kacaps so it was worth it, and we'll nail more
Like I said here >>53712602
NATO membership today is completely superficial. In an actual conflict with Russia, or any country that matters, Article 5 of the NATO treaty would fall apart.
But as long as NATO continues to exist, it allows for members to not have to bother spending on their military.
Jets most likely won't leave till the mission ends which is march. our military has been stepping up pounding shit as much as they can due to thinking they'll be pulled out at any moment but that'd be fucking retarded when the mission already ends in a month a a half
i also think he might be laying off plans to get us out anyway due to all the recent shit and most likely pressure from the military and allies behind closed doors. i actually wouldn't be surprised to see him end up extending the mission
are our allies
we all do what we gotta do, to fight your imperialism and for our freedom.
Is it proper use of English or you just translated Polish analogue of word "pribili" to English?
Also, don't be so angry, kurwa, nobody wants to invade you
Your country certainly making the best Koreans proud by reshuffling state media to suit the current regimes propaganda campaign.
Good luck with your police state. We will continue on the hard road of the civilised world without you.
The only reason you faggots are free and prosperous at all is because the US spends as much as it does on defence. If it wasn't for them and their retard huge military budget you'd have all crumbled in the fifties and even a collapsed bankrupt Soviet Union would have fucked you into the dirt with the greatest of ease in 1991.
You're cowards, shitty ungrateful gutless fucking cowards.
The will to fight is everything.
The implications are far larger than that you stupid fucking twat.
I really wish soviets went relentless on western yurotrashes
russian would be yurups' 2nd (and in some cases 1st) language these days instead of english.
I hope you faggots keep it up so it comes to that though.
A stable Europe is in our national interest
>implying we'd even need the bottom 3
the US could btfo Russia by itself, but if China joined Russia in the fight we'd probably need the UK and some one else just because of the sheer numbers that'd come out of China
Russia is more of a friend to us than any of the butthurt belt ""countries"" NATO has forced us to ally to
so no, i wouldn't fight one of our most important commercial partner with whom we also have deep cultural connection
Latvia can get fucked
Sure, but how many will she manage to drag with her in the fall?
Fucking pussy nation. I wish we got a real fucking military threat, bring back memories of WW2. That's the only thing that could bring this shitty people a sense of patriotism and respect of its allies.