Why can nobody beat Russia in an offensive war?

>who is the Golden Horde

What is Poland?

>>53699125
Smart leaders wait until Russia collapses on its own again.

>>53699125
Too cold desu brrrrr.

What is Japan? Who are the Mongols? What is Western Capitalism? What is the Crimean War?

Russians are kinda bad at war desu.

Plenty of countries have beaten Russia

Ekhem

>>53699338
>What is Japan?
They haven't won anything major against Russia.
Who are the Mongols?
Russia didn't exist as such back then.
>What is Western Capitalism?
That's a war of attrition, not offense.
>Crimean war
A defensive war for the anti-Russian alliance

>>53699125
>conquer russia
>now have to live in russia

why even bother?

>>53699586

>Let's narrow down all unfavorable constraints towards my argument in order to generate a correct answer

Well... okay then

also the Russo-Japanese War was fairly major and a blow to the state that drove them further towards revolution

>>53699586
>Crimean War
>defensive for the anti-Russian alliance

Whaaaaaat? The "anti-Russian alliance" literally attacked Crimea, laid siege to Sevastopol and won the siege. It was pure attacking, from the sea, onto land, across the land and capturing fortresses

>>53699125
germany perfomed extremely well in ww1. but doesn't count i guess russia was dying.

>>53699781
It's 2:30 and I'm drunk

>>53699912
You shouldn't need to defend Russian honor, Austria.

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>>53699912
Well, at least you're honest

Because we are that good.

>>53699586
>They haven't won anything major against Russia.
You don't even need to be a weeaboo to believe that Russia took a huge blow from the Russo-Japanese war.

Being the first European country to lose a war (including the annihilation of two of your fleets; one of which had to sail around the world just to fight) to what was considered a barbarian nation at the time kinda fucks your prestige pretty hard.

>>53700174
>prestige
Clay is all that matters.
Prestige is not clay
Fleets are not clay

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>>53700274
>fleets don't matter
Independence of Latvia happened because of Royal Navy fleets 2bh

>>53700346
>russian navy
just blyat my shit up kurwa

>>53700346
That's like saying that communists won the revolution in Russia because of that 1 regiment of Latvian riflemen guarding Lenin.
Or that butterflies flapping wings can cause hurricanes.
The importance of the circumstances allowing a butterfly to trigger hurricanes far outweigh the importance of the butterfly.

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>>53699125
Mongols did it. Lithuanians did it. Poles did it to a lesser extent.

The "can't invade Russia in Winter" meme is old and tired, all the cool kids are hawking the "Afghanistan can't be conquered" meme now
>Greeks
>Sakas
>Kushans
>Hephthalites/Huna/Uar people
>Ghaznavides
>Seljuks
>Mughals

>>53699125
It's too big and then either too cold or too muddy to do anything

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>>53699621
kek. this

>>53700623
this

It's literally just Napoleon and Hitler (who went full retard during the Russian offensive), and somehow people have turned this into "RUSSIA HAS NEVER LOST A WAR".

>>53700598
Nigga you trolling.

>>53699125
What hope do mortals have of beating gods?

>>53699621
Mongols did it because they could get grain taxes to make their herds bigger. They already lived in a place even shittier, so taxing some Russians seemed like a good idea from their perspective.

>>53700733
Nigga you an actual nigga.

>>53700598
Like you said, you're drunk

>>53700623
It's called the "graveyard of empires" for a reason anon

>>53700786
>all that shit you said about taxes and heards
Mongols conquered to rape and pillage.

>>53700794
Well, yeah, I have an excuse for my delusions.

>>53699125
nice picture, i will use it as my desktop background

>>53700718
>just Napoleon
Fucking Anglos and sadly German people backstabbed his dreams of the Aryan federation

>>53700718
>Napoleon and Hitler
Two great examples of overconfident gamblers. They both launched their offensives with insufficient "tail" for the amount of "tooth" they were fielding. Both of them got pwned by the operational depth of Russia.

There are some differences between the two, for example Germany barely fielded enough "tooth" to get the job done.

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I still don't understand why Napoleon invaded

Alexander looked up to him and loved him and it's not like the wide expanses of Russia were brimming with resource

it was a pure boneheaded move, he had plenty more enemies to worry about

Hitler on the other hand, knew Stalin was just biding his time. It was now or never. He would have been better served to try to appeal to the UK to get on his side other than stepping on everyone's feet.

These decisions don't really reflect on greater Russian ability to defend, they've been beaten often before

>>53700870
Taxing is a more efficient form of pillage

>>53700849
See my list. In the case of the Ghaznavides and Mughals, it was more like the birthplace of empires.

>>53701012
yeah but Hitler was stubborn as fuck during the operation and ignored his best military advisors on many occasions.

had proper military people actually taken all of the decisions during Barbarossa, things would have gone entirely differently. Perhaps they still wouldn't have conquered Russia, but at the very least they could have reached a stalemate deep within Russia while still controlling vital ressources.

>>53700870
nice meme

>>53701093

I'm really not so sure. This kind of operation was unprecedented and untested in that the German force was heavily mechanized and dependent on oil badly. That aspect of logistics wasn't given the attention it needed during the planning stage and once shit started going dry they realized they were essentially fucked.

And again, they expected Russians to come to terms before it became a defensive war, and that didn't happen. Russians are stubborn asses.

>>53700081
Good at what? Throwing countless men to the battlefield and letting them die? Having your shitty infrastructure and weather do most of the work?

>>53699125
>huge country
>Russian winters
>tons of people capable of defending the motherland

Russia is just impossible to invade, and that's something to be proud of.

>>53701012
>Alexander looked up to him and loved him

The people he ruled over did not. Alexander sucking Napoleons cock at Tilsit was seen as a defeat in Russia. Let's not forget that his father was assassinated, and it's not like Alexander was safe from plots. He had to follow the public opinion.

Napoleon invaded in at attempt to bring Alexander under his influence again. He expected to beat the Russian army, maybe occupy a capital, and then sign a hasty treaty with Alexander. He had no plans to dissolve the Empire. If he did he would have proclaimed the restoration of Poland, which would have caused huge unrest in Western Russia. Also if he truly wished to bring French Revolutionary ideas he would have proclaimed the emancipation of the serfs. Let's not forget that there were many rebellions prior to Alexander taking the throne.

Basically Napoleon wanted to show Alexander who was boss. It was a shitty plan desu. Alexander wasn't the same naive youth that Napoleon met at Tilsit and charmed.

>>53699125
Russia also essentially lost WW1 against Germany and Austria.

>>53701317

So, a pride thing in summary

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>>53700346
>Russian """""""""navy""""""""

Someone post baltic fleet greentext pls

>>53701452
In a way. Napoleon saw himself as master of the world, so alliances we'rent his thing. He was used to vassals. He didn't know how to treat Alexander prior to the tensions.

>>53699125
Winter.
The only thing that saved them.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37l7P5V1eXU

>>53701649
accordions are underrated.

russia is basically like a spring coil
if you push it, it'll bounce back and steamroll your europe and install a new world order for a 100 years
your best bet is to just leave it alone and hope it rusts by itself

>literally sold clay because they were so scared of us
L

Why are anglos and Russians so weak?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Russian_invasion_of_Holland

>>53699125
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia
>18 clear defeats

>Noone can beat Russia offensively
>WW1

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>>53701532