>yuropean """"""""""""men"""""""""""

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>southern yuros unironically still live with their parents at fucking THIRTY

Good thread

>>53615156
>>53615202
>in favor of dismantling tradiotional family unit
Nice try juden.

>not living with your parents and save up all the money from working and save up for some sweet house
>instead want to spend it on some crammy apartment, while being assraped by 100K Cucklege debt.

>>53616281
t ahmed

>>53616281
Because it's impossible to support yourself on your own, if you are a student or have a job with a shitty salary.

>>53615202
Just like Christ, they are very devoted christians

literally nothing wrong with living with your parents or being a mamas boy

>>53615156
I wasn't born in europe(although im ethnically european), but since im living here: i guess because salaries are terrible, and you can barely afford a flat with all the spending it needs.
An average salary is about €600-900 while the cheapest flat is about €450-500+ Food+Services+Internet = easily €800. Then you live with what?, €100?. Of course you can but you barely "live"

Probably because our parents loves us and support us in life

You, on the other hand get kicked out of the house with a complimentary Glock and forced to defend yourself againts niggers and shit

>>53616325
It´s not being impossible to support yourself.
Why should I work and spend x percentage of that to rent and what not when I could just save up while living with parents and then get apartment/house etc. and pay it off immediately instead of being fucked over by some kike landlord.

>>53616325
meant for OP
>>53615156

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>be american
>move to a cardboard house
>it gets destroyed after next tornado
>get shot

>>53616458
I like to have my own place. Like every adult.

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>>53616445
t.Mestizio

I-it's to stay c-close to our parents... Because t-they need help.
We could of course leave whenever we want... You know.

>>53616445
>average salary is 600-900

lol
nobody in spain have this shit salary at least you work middel-journey(4 hours/day).

i was working in a fucking mcdonals and i charged 1200 euros/month. In a fucking mcdonalds.
stop the meme that in spain the salary is 600 euros because this is a fucking lie. Nobody charge this shit.

>cheapest flag 450-500
maybe in Madrid or Barcelona. In middel and small cities you have a nice flag in 250-300 euros.

>>53616587
you wish, i'm pale as fug.

>mfw my nrother still lives with our parents at 38
Not even memeing

>>53616674
Doesn't change your facial features

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>>53616694
That's too much even for an Italian.

Moved back in cos my gf broke up with me and I couldn't be arsed chunking out 750 on rent alone each month. Will be going again come this summer, then probably also laugh at the neets again.

In the mean time though, please have some repect :(

>>53616694
kek grande bambino

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>tfw living alone

>>53616647
the average wage is 7€ per hour worked, at best. That means

€7x4h= 28pd x 6d = 168pw x 4m= €672pm

and this would be AT BEST, Dominos pizza pays you €4ph and you work 16hs-20 pw

>>53616762
same for a spaniard bro.lel

why are we so similar, shittaly? roman genes?

>>53615156
I bought their house so technically its they live with me rather than me living with them :^)

>not living with your twin brother

hahahahahon

>>53616758
Are you retarded or something?, i've tell you im ethnically europeans, all my family is european, being born in a country outside europe doesn't turn you into a mudskin. Being from a non european family and being born in europe does.

>>53616810
ok. so you have to study and prepare you for a decent job. If you only work in shitty jobs like pizza dealer or toilet cleaner you cant expect to charge a good salary.
>average is 7
its no the average. its the minimun. But is pretty rare you charge only the minimun salary.

>>53615156
Because our houses are not plywood shit built for 5$.

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>>53615156
>live with my family in our 12 room house with a bunker basement, where i can share expenses with them and get some of that home cooking and back yard garden
>or pay half my wage for rent in an apartment complex, where i cant play music loud or even own a pet

Hmmmmmm....

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/12/24/upshot/24up-family.html?_r=0

>>53616882
If you can't afford basic housing and food you're underpaid, that's not even a decent salary, let alone talking about a GOOD salary(which should be €2000+, like in france or germany).
You don't have to study to get a decent pay, that's just like the least an employer should give you for the easiest job, if you have a career, you should earn enough to live and live a comfy life and go out to parties and vacations once in a while, and yet i've met like 5 people with careers that are doing jobs that i should be doing.
And no 7 is not the minimum, as i've said, they can pay you as low as 4, and the medium payment is around 6

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>>53616493
>be russian

THAT'S IT

>m-muh quality of houses!!!
Eurosmells are so flustered

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>>53617088
Is there internet in your box?

>>53616694
tell him to just suicide holy shit

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>>53615156
What do people do in relationships when they live with their parents? Do you fuck while your mother listens in the other room?

>>53617134
does your mom still walk in on you masturbating?

>>53617272
>his mom doesnt relief him

Fucking american barbarians.

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>>53617272
>american buiding

DUDE WEED LMAO

>be 15
FREEEDOM? No Anon, you're staying here.
>be 18
ACTUAL FREEEDOM
>be 20
FUCK I'M OUTTA MONEY, CAN'T PAY RENT
>be 21
FREEEDOM AGAIN

At last I stayed Free.

>>53617272
No.

So where do you get your 1mb """"broadband"""" internet?

>>53616357
Especially when mama lets you cash in your GBP for tendies

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>>53615156
>not being married without kids
>not having dual incomes and a better tax rate
>not having a partner in managing the household responsibilities
>being lonely

>>53616636
>Because t-they need help.
Then why doesn't the help do their job? And don't tell me a country brimming with economic migrants can't afford servants.

>>53616950
>12 room
Is that bedrooms or total rooms?

>>53615156
Houses in London cost £1,000,000 for a fucking shed.

That's why.

People do buy houses outside of London and then commute all the way into London for work but that results in travel costs which probably consumes up to a third of wages if I do it twice a day.

UK a shit.

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>tfw 21 and living at home
>tfw been working and saving up good money
>tfw can rent a comfy studio soon instead of getting a pleb room like my friends who started to move out when they were 18.

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>>53617134
>house in my city
>sold for $135,000 last year
Say what you will about the architectural style (I like it 2bh), but it's not uncommon.

Suburbanites are disposable people with disposable lives.

>>53617586
3 floors, 4 rooms and a bathroom on each floor. Big attic for storage, big basement built during commie times (so practically a nuclear bunker as the government demanded).
I am really happy with my parents house, and I took part in finishing it. Just got done with the garage last summer, can probably fit 2x2 cars there, and the top combines with one balcony to make a huge new area.
[spoiler]All of this in a small town with no university in it, but you cant have everything.[/spoiler]

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My dad died early last year, I wouldn't want to leave my mum alone anyway.

>>53617612
>UK is a shit because London is a shit

You're an idiot m8, you know the solution. Don't get a job in fucking London.

>>53615156
I don't have money to move out desu.

>>53617699
Sounds nice, if a bit too big. Still, I'd rather live in my 2 story 3 bedroom Victorian with just my wife and dog.

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>>53617078
We're OK with IT.

>>53617721
>Don't get a job in fucking London.
>b-but muh international city life
I don't understand why anyone over 25 would want to live in a city.

Still better than moving in cardboard houses at 18

>>53617635
You can get a studio for the price of an expensive room if you play your cards right.
I'm renting a 600 euro/month studio but you can request subsidies for those that amount to about 200 euros.
Some of my mates are in rooms right now that are about 300-350 euros a month
I'll gladly pay the additional 50 a month if it means having my own toilet, shower and kitchen desu

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>>53617817
All the people under 25 are all OMG LONDON LOL AMAZING XDDD.

I don't understand it. Why would you not want to live in the comfy countryside?
>boring lol nothing to do!
Can always go to the nearest town or something for stuff 'to do'. But what people mean when they say 'to do' is go clubbing all the time, but you grow out of that after a while.

>>53617817
To gather with my mates on a friday night and make a nice rape corridor.

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>be american
>have to forcefully move out of parents house at 18th birthday
>still cant even buy a beer
>get shot

Good to see europe finally uniting as one.

>>53615202

Yeah, that happens when you are poor even having a job.

>>53617964
muh financial crisis

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>>53617873
>600 euro/month studio
Hol' up. Ima just...
>654 usd
>studio
NIGGA IS YOU HIGH?

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>>53617876
If I had to live anywhere in the UK, the Yorkshire Dales looks comfy. That, and most of Scotland.

That said, I like my rural New England towns and middle-of-nowhere cabin in Colorado.

>>53617987
Other anon here. I live in Amsterdam and pay about 1100 in rent including utilities and I am in a rather lower middleclass neighborhood.

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>>53617987
>Americans can't read and comprehend and entire 4 line short post

>>53617873
Jeesus, your prices are stupidly high.

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>>53618098
And doesn't your whole country have roughly the same population density as New Jersey? Jesus, I'm having a claustrophobia-induced panic attack just imagining it.
>>53618111
>subsidies
At least I'm not a welfare mooch.

>>53618111
And you are full of shit, you don't get 400 euros a month unless your parents are poor as fuck, also you'll only have that for the next year or so. After that you can take a lone.

By the way you did say the rent is 600 euros dumb fuck.

>>53617876
>All the people under 25 are all OMG LONDON LOL AMAZING XDDD.

I don't know of anybody here that aspires to live in a big city.

I don't understand it. Why would you not want to live in the comfy countryside?
>boring lol nothing to do!

This is my type of lifestyle, you are never bored when you are outdoors, that is my saying.

>>53618221
Looked it up and ours is just slightly higher. Ah well you dont have to travel far to get somewhere.

how about because a 3 bed house in my village is over 400k?

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>>53618222
Ben je echt zo debiel anon?
Ik heb het over huursubsidie
600 huur, 200 euro subsidie, 400 euro effectieve huur all in (g/w/e+internet)

>>53618283
I don't understand m8, I think it's indoctrination by the media or something telling young people that drinking is what you should do and the outdoors is boring.

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>>53618289
>you dont have to travel far to get somewhere
Is that supposed to be a good thing? What about seeing all the vast expanses of scenery?
>Netherlands
Oh, right. Nvm.

>>53618326
Lol als je het over huursubsidie hebt dan leef je echt in een armzalig kuthuis. Succes met je leven.

>>53615156
Because the cost of rent here in Moscow is roughly $250-300 and my salary is only $1200

>>53618348
>americramps knowing anything about space

>>53618378
Je kan huur subsidie aanvragen tot iets van 750 euro huur, daarbij studeer ik nog dus waarom zou ik niet 50 euro per maand extra betalen om ipv in een of andere kutkamer in m'n eigen studio te zitten?

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>tfw I do an I am 25

it is only temporary since I recently-ish graduated

>>53618328
In all fairness, when what Brits call hunting is just chasing down foxes with your buddies and some dogs, country life doesn't look so great. That is unless you eat the foxes.

You don't eat the foxes, r-right?

>>53615156
>>53615202

>Americans get kicked out of their home at 18
>Parents sue their children and make them pay rent

>can be shot and drive legally but can't drink or smoke (or even fuck sometimes) until 21

Top kek you sure showed us anon

>>53618383
>$1200 salary

Isnt that like 5 times what most russians make?

>>53618447
Omdat studio's voor minder dan 710 over het algemeen in ontzettende kutwijken liggen. Tenzij je in fucking nowhere woont.

>>53618461
What has fox hunting got to do with anything?

No, fox hunting is barbaric. It's for rich tossers who think chasing a tiny animals with horses and dogs is fun.

Country life is great.

t.Live in a village

>>53618461
>Fox hunting is the only type of hunting we have
???

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>>53618383
I earn almost the same amount, pay 320 a month for my flat. What's your problem? Where do you shag girls, right in a bar tiolet?

>>53618496
That's not nearly enough to live a comfy life in Moscow.

>>53618465
>smoke

Wrong. It's 18 in most states

We don't, most people move out after high school or max 1 year after here. If you stil live at home after 20 it's considered weird.

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Why are americans such manchildren?

>>53618419
Once you're outside the cities, it really opens up here, especially out west.

>>53618554
Why, tovarisch, I bring them right home.
Our walls aren't made of cardboard, you know :^)

>>53615156
Minimal salary here is 1800PLN.
Cost of renting room is 1000PLN + 400PLN water and energy, +200PLN food, +200PLN for petrol to your car this is 1600PLN.
Students earing less.

So if you living with parents you don't renting room and you have food for free...
So you can pay only for energy,water in house and petrol to your car, so this is 400+200=600PLN. So you still have 1200PLN.

>>53618590
>shitaly

memes are real

>>53618523
Ik zit naast de universiteit, in een oud schoolgebouw dat 2 jaar geleden is omgebouwd naar studenthousing.
De rest is woonwijk met Jan Modaaltjes, ik weet niet wat voor studios jij in gedachten had maar dat is niet het geval.

>>53618461
Not anymore Scotland cucked England and enforced scots laws which bans hunting foxes with dogs

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>>53615156
>surrounded by manchildren

I have a house lads.

>>53618328
I like having the choice, I can have peace and quiet, or I can drive for 10-15 minutes to the city.
I prefer rural, I don't often want to go out in the city for an evening, maybe if I was 20, not 35.

>>53618524
>>53618544
>perceptions
Oh, I'm with you on country life being great, but I can understand what forms certain biases. I've seen fox hunting referred to as just hunting, like it's the same as hunting deer or rabbit. Maybe it's just the British media I've been exposed to.

What's good to hunt in GB? Do a lot of folks hunt for sustenance.

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>>53618590
>>53618639
>13,9%

Top fucking kek.

>>53618625
Good. Fuck trophy hunters.

>>53618748
Also

>inb4 it's just the niggers/beaners/[insert group]

>>53618718

>american hunting

Why is it okay to use baiting in your hunting culture (dumping apples then sitting in your fully-equipped RV, watching the motion sensor cams) but moose hunting with dogs is frowned upon?

Then again I could totally see Americans being startled and taking shots at any dogs running up to them as well

Any yuropoor is welcome in my cuckshed if mom and dad get tired of supporting you. Free rent man, all I ask is help with yard work.

>>53618696
I live near a city, I cycle to it regularly it's very close but feels like you're miles away from it.

Fucking hate cities desu they're arseholes.
>>53618718
Oh I see what you mean, yeah 'hunting' often refers to fox hunting here, but that doesn't mean we don't hunt other things.

Hunting in general is seen as more of an upperclass thing in Britain, probably because most of the land is owned, so you'd need to own your own land to hunt or whatever.

People hunt rabbits, and pheasants and whatever, deer in Scotland.

>>53618803
Is yard work trimming the weed plants?

>>53618718
Fox hunting is a type of hunting...


>What's good to hunt in GB?
Different types of deer and birds. Not a particularly huge selection of things to hunt since we're an Island and killed just about everything else a few hundred years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunting_and_shooting_in_the_United_Kingdom

>Do a lot of folks hunt for sustenance.
Not really.

>>53616647
fukcking liar! it's impossible to get 1200€ a month working at mc donalds! and you spanniard!

>>53618867
It's possible here though...

>>53618831
I think it's american for gardening. But Americans don't actually have gardens, just an empty space with grass.

>>53618887
anything is possible if you work hard

Because a house in Europe costs like 100k
I don't plan on ever getting a Gf so having money that goes directly into my personal house fund is pretty nice instead of paying it to some kikelord

>>53618867
Min wage here is € 1524,60/month
I don't think it's impossible for it to be 1000-1200 in spain

>>53618918
toplel

>>53618831
Yes, and helping paint the fence, cut the grass, and whatever summer project my wife wants.

Also my cuckshed has a video feed to my wife's bedroom so I know when she and Darnell are finished. It helps cut down on the tardiness of my clean up duties so I might need your help with that.

>>53618887
maybe in france and belgium, but fucking not in spain!

>>53618787
>moose hunting with dogs is frowned upon?
It is? Where?
>>53618816
>pheasants
Oh, yeah. I remember that from Danny The Champion of the World
>>53618850
>Not a particularly huge selection of things to hunt since we're an Island and killed just about everything else a few hundred years ago.
That's why I asked.
>>53618913
Gardening means growing edible plants here.

>>53619014
>Gardening means growing edible plants here.

That must be why the 'gardening' general on /out/ is just Americans talking about vegetables, no ornamental plants at all.

>>53618952
650 is the minimum wage is spain, you think they can have twice the minimum wage doing a student job working in a fucking fast food??

>>53619050
>ornamental plants
We call that landscaping

>>53619095
damn

>nice balance of banter and cultural exchange
This turned out to be a good thread, lads.

>>53618971
You want me to give Darnell a backrub when he's finished?

>>53615156
>yanks are thrown out of house at 5
>no love from mummy and daddy
>feel resentful and angry
>buy guns
>massacre everyone
>???
>profit

>>53619095
>€756.70 per month ($843) in 12 payments, €648.60 per month ($723) in 14 payments.[44][200]

So 750, but that's still ridiculously low I'll admit

I moved out when I was 21, feels ok.

>Moving out at 18
>Getting into loads of debt for a false sense of "independence"
>Not living with your family while you study and save up money, so once you're finished with your studies and attain a stable job you'll be able to properly finance your own home, and then start a new family

>>53619100
Landscaping usually means creating a garden here whilst gardening means maintaining or improving it.

Do you say 'I'm going to do some landscaping' if you have weeding to do?

My father (53) still lives with my grandma

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it's not so easy desu

>Move into a house share with some friends
>It's awesome
>House gets condemned for asbestos
>Back to living with the parents

It hurts.

>>53619296
How did he ever get laid?

>>53619314
Enjoy your mesothelioma in 40 years m8

>>53619319
Raped some girls during new years

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>>53619312
Same as my rent, desu.

>>53619314
>>House gets condemned for asbestos
Where do you live? The 1960's?

>>53619276
We'd say yard work or just weeding

>>53619339

I look forwards to that and silicosis I get from work down the line

>>53619319
I have no clue desu

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I moved out at 18. Just got a job while I studied so that I wouldn't be in debt and my folks helped me out with half the tuition, which wasn't too high either way.

Honestly I can't imagine having stayed at home.

>>53619352
The North, perhaps?

T. Scotfag, surrounded by asbestos

>>53619319
Well, he does live a woman...

>>53619352

The house was 250 years old, so it's not all that surprising.

>>53617985
>tfw this guy's autismbucks per month are more than my yearly salary

>>53619386
Yard is an awful word for your garden though, makes it sound so industrial.
>>53619389
Where do you work?

>>53618590
>Living alone/working while in medical school

>>53619508

Steel Foundry

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>>53615156
Because you don't want to spend money renting some apartment when you can just live with your mom

>>53619508
>Yard is an awful word for your garden though, makes it sound so industrial
Maybe if it's not what you're used to hearing. Sounds cozy to me.

>>53619536
Sounds interesting, do you enjoy it?

>>53615156

>his family doesn't care about him
>there is no love in his household

I feel sorry for you bruv

>>53619197
No Darnell wants me to do that myself. Just do whatever my wife wants till I'm finished.

>>53619562
>posts himself in drag

>>53619570

It's not bad. The pay is crap but I get a decent amount of freedom in what I do which keeps it fairly interesting

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>>53615156
>murican """"""""""""""""""""men""""""""""""""""" get shot past 18

>not loving your mum
Go shoot up a school psycho

>>53619634
Luckily they start the girls off earlier.

>http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ciara-meyer-girl-aged-12-shot-dead-by-pennsylvania-police-officer-during-eviction-a6808741.html

>>53619508
>Yard is an awful word for your garden

Your garden here is part of your yard, landscaping is for everything but the garden, just different terminology here

>>53619572
>his family doesn't respect him
>he will always be a child in their eyes
Sad 2bh

>be me, 20, student
>living with parents even tho offered my own flat because of academic achievements (high grades, 1 paper published so far, journal of chemistry in serbia)
>enjoying mom's homecooked meals, enjoying making wine and moonshine with dad every autumn
>debt free like everyone else my age, also virtually non-existent rates of autism and mental diseases
>just buy mom and dad a ticket to the movies if I want to invite gf over
>have my own room and complete privacy

...someone tell me, for what purpose should I move out? to go in debt? to pay electricity or have to buy factory made food? to have to clean the dishes and rooms instead of just helping around?

I could offer chemistry/physics/math classes to highschoolers and afford my own small 3 room flat. I could take a job for the car people (they need rubber for tires, they offer polymer lab assistant jobs to undergrads) and maybe afford a 4 room flat.
My only question is, why should I?

>>53619572
My dad retired and moved to Puerto Vallarta when I was 18. My choice was buy a house or move with him. I saved $5k and my dad gave me $5k, so I had to buy a house.

>>53619804
Why do so many Euros use 'mom' on 4chan? I don't see why you would use it over mum.

I don't even know how you pronounce mom. Does it rhyme with bomb?

>>53615156
Because of many things:
-I'm studying. Most of the jobs here aren't compatible with studying and working.

-As I'm studying I don't have money and, despite what many americans do, I'm not going to make my parents to maintain me with my own flat. And most of the spanish families can't.

-If I wanted to find a job first I probably woulnd't find one and then, if I do, the salary would be so low as they already told.

-If I decided to quit studying and taking some qt and rent a flat together with both working then my live would be doomed, I would be a fucking common worker without aspirations, my qt would turn into a fucking fat stressed mature and my kids would probably get into drugs.

DO you want that, man?

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>>53619602
>not indulges himself by wearing his mom's clothes

>American teens feel obligated to leave their childhood home
>increased demand makes housing more expensive
Why does every aspect of American culture seem like it was designed to make capitalits richer?

>>53619851
That, or how you pronounce ma'am.

>>53620007
How do you pronounce mother? Maather?

>>53619896
No blini?

>>53619851
You don't say mam?

Just had me tea and went for a kip and when I woke up me mam was brushing her fanny over me knob.

>>53620042
Muhther

>>53620080
>using american 'banter' as well as american english

Disappointed m8.

We say mum. I think the Irish say mam but I'm not sure.

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>>53620002
>cant afford house
>homeless
>get shot

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>>53620136
he says it though

>>53620002
>>53620140
Housing is very affordable here if you don't live somewhere like NYC or SF

>>53618607
What are you implyin, I live in a nice restored building.

t. Sretenski Boulevard

>>53620136
"Mam" is pretty common in the North and in Ireland... how do you not know that?

>>53620060
Times have been hard.

>>53620252
I don't live in the North

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>>53618590
>""""""""young people""""""""" are 25-34
EUROPOOR DAMAGE CONTROL
You should be out of your mum's home by 20.

annons, what is the average per month rent to get a 2 rooms appartment (nearly 50 m2) where you live?

me it's around 450-500€ / month

>>53620277
Awww... Poor kot.

>>53620339
$400-$500 in a city of 25,000 people

>>53620339
Probably £850 a month

>>53620317
>by 20
nigga xD i left when i was 16

wew lad for that i'm looking at like 1600-1700€

>>53620388
because the bbc kidnapped you?

>>53620339
150-200 € / month

>>53620385
ouch! london?

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>>53620486
>france talking about bbc kidnappings

>>53620534
>£850
>Two bedroom flat
>London

Try £1500

>>53620486
le ceque est formidable

>>53619804
>complete privacy
>living with his parents
wonder what you would call it whne you finally leave the house.

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>>53620486
what?

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>>53616798
horrible feeling desu lad, I lived 2 years alone and went from mentally stable to borderline suicidal. Good thing I moved back to my parents :3

>Twenty-two years old, Canadian
>Have entire floor of my parents' house to myself
>1000 square feet, with its own kitchen, my own bedroom, own living room, own bathroom (basically the size of a studio apartment -- this is all my living space, keep in mind)
>Don't have to pay rent
>40 minutes to downtown by public transit, 20 minutes by car
>Free access to pool, free access to backyard garden where I can grow my own organic fruits and veggies
>When I graduate and get a good paying job I can just save up money for however long I want, or invest it


Why exactly do Americans look down upon this?

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>>53620822
>square feet

>>53620822
>>53620866

My apologies; square footage is used over here for living spaces, despite us using metric. That's 93 square metres or so.

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>>53620339
>2 rooms apartment
>nearly 50^2m

What the fuck are these small rooms? Or do you not count the area of the corridor, bathroom and balcony?
Anyway, mine costs 250 euro a month, in Sofia, 30 minutes walk from the city center. I think it was 75^2m.
I used to live in a 4 room apartment of the same cost, in a better building, but it was further from the center and the owner sold it so I had to move out.

>>53616445
>The Average Salary is €600
The Minimum Salary in Portugal is €530
Im pretty sure the Average in Spain is well over €2000

>>53621053
>Im pretty sure the Average in Spain is well over €2000

More like 1200 euro a month.

>>53616798
>tfw room mate is barely ever home so I feel alone a lot

>>53621032
yeah this is dat tiny, the fact is owners usually divid the appartments to get more cash.

>>53618867
its no a liar ,man. i worked in a mcdonald too and i charged about 1100/month.

in spain minimun wage is about 700 euros/month. but is very rare to charge this except you have the typical student job ( in a pizza restaurant or similar)

the average salary in spain is about 1300-1500 euros, desu.
+1500 euros is a pretty good salary here because the lifecost in spain is lower that other european countries.

in my city (220.000 people) i have a flat for me in 270 euros/month. I can eat in a restaurant (two courses and dessert, with drink) for 8 euros.
a beer cost 1,3 euros. a cup of alcohol 5 euros in a pub.

1500 euros in spain is equivalent to charge about 2500-3000 in London or other european cities because all things are cheaper here.

>>53621170
I live rural and drive a snow plow, no work until more snow.
I haven't seen another person in 5 days, could be more until it snows or I need food.

>>53615156
>"""""""""""free"""""""""""" americans are forced to take social justice classes at university
is this real life?

>>53621248
plus a 2 room means a "2 pièces" here, meaning 1 bedroom and 1 livingroom (not 2 bedrooms if you misunderstood me)

>Be American parents force you to move out when your 14
>Get shit dead end job to pay for living space
>Get girlfriend who hates you
>Pregnant
>Parents who stopped caring suddenly appear and force you to get married because God.
>Wife cheats on you with poorer black man
>Have to support wife and black man because divorce courts is worse
>Baby is born and its black
>Get shot.

>>53621264
ok lad, i know mac donald job here is the very lowest social class workers really, i couldn't understand how could you reach almost twice the minimum.

very low lifestyle too sounds dope, you near the sea?

>>53615156
Often we are in school till 19.
The first year in University is not easy you need to organize a lot. Then you move out
If you do traineeship on a job you only get enough money to liva alone after the traineeship is over, in many cases.

How do Americans manage to live on their own while having nothing learned to earn money?

>TFW mother owns apartment in good part of the city that she has no use for
>TFW I get to live in it for free

Sure, it's just a big room and a bathroom, but it is better than being jewed.

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>>53621431
>you near the sea?

yes. here.in the north.
>mc donal lowest social class
here too. 1100 euros is lower-middel class here.is not twice the minimun. the minimun is near 700.

>>53621611
>How do Americans manage to live on their own while having nothing learned to earn money?

My first 4 or 5 years of working and living on my own, I made $1200 a month, and my bills were around $900 a month. So that means only around 300 dollars for food and everything else, it was not fun.

>>53621330
Free germans too!
I was forced to learn "Informatik und Gesellschaft" Dortmund.
It was the only "Sitzfach" .
A russian comilitone told me, it's the same as his fathers time in university, but they called it "Stalinism-Leninism".


they told me shit like: developing a rocket guidance system makes you morally responsible for all the dead people soldiers kill with this rocket....

Working for a company that pays taxes in the USA, makes you responsible for all children the USA Government kills in the middle east.

And shitty stuff like this.

What has responsibility to do with computer science?

>>53615156
100% of my income is disposable, it's a nice feeling, oh wait .. I'm sorry :-)

>>53621879
Literally nothing wrong with this. Also please stop releasing your software under licenses that don't respect my freedoms, senpai.

>>53621848
So you didn't learn your job before starting working ?

>>53615156
>american men continue to allow their government to decide what they can and can't drink past 18
Literally cucked by your own country

>>53619266
This. Unless if you are living a long way from the place you are studying in, there is no reason to move out. Save the rent money for something else.

>>53619266
Your family is just a continuation, not a new thing 2bh.

>>53621294
isn't relying only on plowing kind of precarious?

>>53621957
No, I was a painter, then I was paint crew supervisor, then I handled customer contact and scheduling work. Now I run multiple construction crews, and purchase materials.
It took years before I made good money.

>>53615156
>all these ameriblobbers still can't wrap their head around the fact that the only freedom that matters is financial freedom

Guess what, I can do whatever the fuck I want for the whole month when my parents are paying for food and rent.

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>>53616798
>tfw not living alone

>>53622132
I do make a lot less when there is no snow, but I have contracts with many people. They pay for the winter and I plow them any time it snows, but I get less other calls now with no snow.
I also fur trap, but that's not much money.

>>53619266
We don't ge into debts. Ours is a saving culture.
Also no Bank in Germany would give you credit if you have no job to pay for it.
Most Students get Credit from the state. But it's interrest free and you don't have to pay back the half of it.
It is further reduced if you manage to get in the top 20% of your year, if you graduate faster than normal, if you want to pay all the money back in one chunk .

For example I had to only pay 4200€ after I got my degree. Because the discounts added up so well. (And because I started when the Deutsche Mark was the currency and everything was cheap for two years, then the Euro came)

>>53622325
and you live on your own without roomies?

>>53622512
Yeah, I got a 15 year home loan, paid it in 12.
Now I only work full time 6 months of the year in construction. I hunt, fish, and grow lots of stuff to save money.

>>53618465
Age of consent and smoking is 18. Only drinking is 21. If you're going to try to make fun of us at very least know what you're saying.

>>53622662
livin the life m8

>>53622155
Dude, you can't even be a Gardener in Germany without traineeship. We have rules for every craftsmenship called Handwerksordnung (ja Ordnung), you would be in a lot of trouble soon after you just started working , without training.

For example as an untrained gardener you want to pave a beatyfull way through a garden to a pavilion. There is a paragraph how thick you have to make the supporting layer under your paving.
And yes there are special rules for pavings in gardens that differ from ordinary pavings....

Handwerksordnung the german way to secure quality standards and force people to learn their job before a customer could pay you. And these rules are thick, every craftsmenship has it's own language!

>>53622837
are gardeners required to wear socks with their crocs?

>>53622798
I will never be rich, but I like the outdoors, this is pretty nice.

>>53622837
Painting was on the job training. Now I mainly work with customers, so being a "people person" helps. Also I am the only redneck that can use a computer at my company.

>>53622991
Learn programming and find a job that offers telecommuting or work as a contractor.

>>53622894
I don't know...My neighbours were a
Gardening Master and a High Construction Master
and at a night at the BBQ they had a competion about the most frustrating paragraphs in the Handwerksordnung.

>>53623078
My company is small, if it was bigger I could do purchasing and schedules all day. Now I do that and work out in the field. I help my crews with shitty hard work, they think I do it to be nice, but I do it to stay fit.

>>53622837
What would one need to do to work as a IT technician in Germany?

>>53622991
>Painting was on the job training
We don't pay trainees on the job much money. Accept in the banking business. These trainees do realy good.

http://www.ausbildung.de/berufe/maler-und-lackierer/gehalt/

Painter and Varnisher
Requirement: 9 years of school
training time: 3 years
worktime: only on weakdays (free weekends)
wage 1st year trainiship: 510 Euro
wage 2st year trainiship: 560 Euro
wage 3st year trainiship: 690 Euro
Entry wage: 1700 - 2200 Euro (Brutto)

And it's realy optimistic as it's taken from a union site.
Expect up to 30% lower numbers if you work in a small company.

Also it's job mostly realy dumb peopel do in Germany. As it has almost zero requirements.
And there is no way from moving from painting to the office as sales and administrative jobs have even more rules and you need another training (=earning trainnee wages only) to do these jobs.

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>>53618590
>almost last place
Thank you Slovakia!

>>53623576
>Painter and Varnisher
>Requirement: 9 years of school
>training time: 3 years

wow....
Most people here will not make a career out of house painting, they normally only do it for a few years. The only career painters I know do industrial jobs, and stuff like water towers.

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>>53618590
Explain yourself Slovensko

>>53623784
I believe it means 9 years of school and 3 years of vocational training with a lower level high school.

>>53617186
you do it extra hard so you show you are the alpha since your gf is screaming

>>53623824
You see it's almost exactly twice as much yours, so I believe it's due to the fact that all your women get rent money from the public pickup guys

>>53623502
We have 3 to 4 different traineeships in the IT field covering different parts.
Also any degree in computer science will do. If you want to be Admin or developer or everything above architect &c,
There are almost no rules as long as you freelance.
But I don't think you will get a job with no paper that sais that you are good in your profession.
if IT-Techician means IT-Telecomunication-technician then thats most likely ruled hard.

>>53616882

>abé estudiao

Do people still honestly believe this? I mean it's 2016 come on

Pls let it be bait or a boomer

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>>53624001
10/10

I went live by myself at 19. At 21 I decided to start college so I asked my parents if I could go back home and quit my job (I got an educational grant of $1500/month). They gladly accepted and I'm currently living here (I'm 25)

Living alone was cool and all but fuck if I'm not comfy with my parents

>>53623784
Most people won't hire unskilled painters. Not even to paint a house. Most houses over here are not of wood also.
Painter is an actuall career over here.

>>53623840
After grammarschool we have 3 school levels.
you visit the lowest level school and leave it with the lowest possible graduation after the 9th class.
then you get 3 1/2 days per week training on the job an 1 1/2 day per week learning in a vocational school for 3 years
After 3 years you make a "journeyman's piece" most likely get to be a craftsmen.

Especially traditional professions even provide chances to take to the road for X amount of time and beeing banned from home.