>>53597311 yeah, actually, what I said was nonsense, but he is not the president anymore and he is not even in the Catalan parliament so I don't think he'll be making any decisions about Catalonia's army.
>>53597464 Catalonia is one of the most rich and industralized regions of Spain, if we left it would be a huge blow to Spanish economy, but in my case, I want independence even if the economy stayed the same. I don't feel identified with Spain, its language or its culture and as >>53597505 said, the Spanish government has been trying to destroy our language and culture for centuries.
>>53597354 >tfw I want to make fun of it but I can't say anything bad about the qt-16 Fine here's one, why the fuck would you pay in gold for an out of date plane Spain? shaking my head to be honestly family
>>53597714 only by the media, internet, writing on products, etc. Fortunately, in school, all classes are in Catalan beside Spanish and English, of course. This is the only reason Catalan isn't slowly dying and almost everyone can speak it. But as Catalan represents something "un-Spanish" for Spanish nationalists, they try to change laws everytime so kids aren't taught Catalan. They try to argue kids don't learn Spanish properly but that is a complete lie, if it wasn't taught at school, Catalan would be in danger.
>>53597999 enough for non-catalan speakers to not understand it. It is similar to both French and Spanish but not similar to be intelligible. I would say Portuguese is closer to Spanish than Catalan is. Example video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUz7YnXEV8A
Example text: >Per tal d'evitar que -quan s'esdevé l'erecció- el prepuci reculi més del compte, a la cara inferior o ventral del penis (però que queda a la part de dalt en un home ajagut de memòria amb el penis en erecció), i just per darrere de la corona, hi ha el fre del prepuci: és un plec de pell en forma de brida (semblant al que tenim sota la llengua) que uneix la pell amb el gland.
Val a dir que als homes que han estat circumscidats -tant sigui per motius religiosos com perquè patien fimosi-
A l'extrem o vèrtex del gland hi ha el meat urinari, una obertura amb tancament vertical que és el final de la uretra per on s'aboquen l'orina i l'esperma a l'exterior.
La uretra és un conducte procedent de la pròstata i la bufeta de l'orina que recorre tota la llargària del penis envoltada del cos esponjós, una estructura de forma cilíndrica situada al llarg de la cara inferior o ventral del fust i que s'eixampla per formar el gland a part final del penis.
>>53598216 > I would say Portuguese is closer to Spanish than Catalan is. Not by a long shot. I used to watch APM, never had trouble getting it from day one. On the other hand, speak Galician fluently and still need subtitles to even get what anything in Portuguese is about (if it's written that's a different story).
>>53598002 Oh really? Do you know what the Decreto de Nueva Planta is?
>En el Decreto de Nueva Planta de 1716 se estableció que las causas de la Real Audiencia se resolvieran en castellano y el castellano también se introdujo en la administración local ordenando a los corregidores que lo hicieran mediante «las providencias más templadas y disimuladas, para que se consiga el efecto sin que se note el cuidado». De esta forma el castellano se impuso como la lengua oficial de la administración en lugar del catalán.
Since then, you have been trying and trying, but you couldn't. Only the French succeeded in this, and they couldn't completely erase it.
>>53598428 the language was introduced with the purpose to slowly replace Catalan m8. The same objective Primo de Rivera's and Franco's dictatorships had. Very few people spoke Spanish in Catalonia until the late 19th century.
Implying you can just force fellow catholics to change their language like they were moors. Also, the moors thing ended in the 16th century, the supression of Catalan didn't start until the 18th century
>>53598979 That if there are any parallels with what Galicia, by then it was little more than a dialect. (same "if") Normalization came by hand of nationalist fedora tippers who took all the special snowflake words they could find and assembled them together for got knows what reason, just like 99.9% of Nordic and Celtic mythology.
>>53596327 >During the war in Spain 1811 Russian specialists were sent, among whom were 772 aviators, 351 tankmen, 222 combined arms advisers and instructors, 77 sailors, more than 150 other military personnel, 130 aircraft workers and engineers, 156 signalers, 204 translators. But there were no more than 600-800 Soviet advisers and specialists at the same time in Spain.
>>53599208 Well no m8, Catalan has never been a dialect of Spanish and even if Catalan wasn't standarized until 1891 by Pompeu Fabra, it has always been its own distinct language. Literature from the 14th-15th century in Catalan is fairly understandable and the language hasn't changed that much. >https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historia_del_idioma_catal%C3%A1n#Los_primeros_testimonios_de_catal.C3.A1n_escrito
In the Don Quijote, a Valencian book (so, in Catalan) written by Joanot Martorell, Tirant Lo Blanc (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tirant_lo_Blanch) is called "the best book ever written". We also have an Epic poem like every great literature (https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canig%C3%B3_(poema))
>>53599519 >Well no m8, Catalan has never been a dialect of Spanish I know it technically isn't, following the etymological distinction we so much like in Spain. But there are others: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialect
>>53599800 But Spanish wasn't used by the administration until the Decreto de Nueva Planta. And even then, people wouldn't learn it until massive amounts of Andalusian, Extremeño and Aragonese immigrants arrived in the late 19th century. Apparently after the Decreto de Nueva Planta was established, translators were needed in trials and other official occasions because the people didn't understand Spanish.
All my great- etc grandparents/uncles fought on one side or the other. One great- etc aunt was a diehard commie and one uncle was pulled from his house and shot on his lawn. Pretty crazy stuff, can't think of a single realistic reason the US would go to civil war right now and have me gladly fighting. All the true causes are dead.
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