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Iranian are White?
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no
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yes
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>>53581281
They wuz, but today some are and some not
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>>53581379
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no, they are Iranian.
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>>53581281
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>>53581281
You know, there are different ethnicities in Iran, right? I'd say Lurs, Gilaks, Mazanderanis, and (maybe) Azeris are White on average. They tend to have high percentage of R1b or R1a1a.
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Probably,perhaps.maybe
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AND IRAN, IRAN SO FAR AWAY
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>>53581281
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>>53581679
It is pronounced "EERAUN" and is meant to be a cognate for Aryan, which originally meant inhabitant of Greater Iran (i.e., it had no racial connotation originally).
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>>53581729
I think the dark skin of many Iranians is not due to Arabic or Turkish admixture though. It has to do with being mixed with the Elamites who share a strong link with Ancient Vedic cultures.
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>>53581379
>tfw I agree with a T*rk
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>>53581281
>Iranian are White?
In real life: YES
On a Burmese image board:NO
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>>53581900
We are not closely related to Northwestern Europeans, but we are distantly related to Balkan peoples and other Southern Europeans.
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>>53581281
It really depends what you define as White. Descendents of the migrating original Indo-Europeans? Yeah, but most of us are mixed due to the Elamites.

Elamites were highly sophisticated back then though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahr-e_Sukhteh#Finds
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>>53581281
Also, it should be noted a lot of Caucasians such as Georgians, Armenians, Circassians, and so forth were brought in by Shah Ismail during the Safavid Empire, so I'd say while Mazanderanis and Gilaks are White, they're YDNA tends to be more Transcaucasian rather than Persian. Their mtDNA, however, is Persian though.
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>>53581281
They are mudslimes, therefore they bare considered shitskins.
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If you think Turks etc. are white, then yes
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>>53582350
Go back /pol/, faggot.
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>>53581900
t. Chubek
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>>53582411
Turks are pretty diverse. There are different ethnicities of Turks.
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They are pseudo-white like us.
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yes, Afghanistan is the cradle of the white race.
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>>53582575
Different ethnicities of Turks and Iranians** are significantly racially different, as haplogroups and phenotypes show.
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no, but they are pretty nice people

except for the whole islam thing
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also i suggest you guys watch this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2LEgowbzSc
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iran-irak=brothers?
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>>53581900
Navid pls
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>>53582656
No, look up the Kurgan Hypothesis.

>>53582699
Turkey is Islamic too and some Iranians are White.
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>>53582793
No, enemies actually
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>>53582896
turkey is still secular burgerboy
>>53582793
they were at war just 30 years ago so no?
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>>53582575
>>53582699
how come that the turks around trabzon are whiter than the ones close to balkan?
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>>53581281
Iranian peoples like Persians are, but not everyone in the country of Iran are because not everyone there is an Iranian ethnically.
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>>53581281
Iranian is just the name of citizens in the country of Iran.

There are different ethnic groups like turkmenis, afghans, persians, baluchis etc

I guess you are thinking of persians, and no they are not one bit white. But there are alot of hot persian women and they are very fond of white guys, easiest girls to get after east asian girls.
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>>53582959
>>53583045
why the hate?
who do turks support or do you not care for arabic feuds?
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>>53583048
Trabzon wuz white pontic n shiet.
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>>53583073
Persians are one bit White... typically.

Mazanderanis, Gilaks, and Lurs are typically more White though.
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>>53583051
> Persians
> White

Americans... I thought you defining middle easterners as white was a meme
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They are Caucasoid, therefore white.
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>>53583045
I agree Turkey is secular thanks to Mustafa, but Edrogan supports ISIS and betrays Mustafa's vision.
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>>53583048
>>53583121
this.
>>53583097
i prefer saddam era Iraq and mahmoudinejad era Iran.
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>>53581281
yes
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>>53583177
No, persians are not white. They are swarthy and have crooked noses. Dark eyes, dark hair. The ones we have here are generally pretty good people (educated middle class people who fled the islamic revolution in Iran) but no, they are not white. And honestly I cant tell them apart from arabs/kurds until I see their names.
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>>53583261
Turkey is de jure secular, which is important, but it's still de facto more religious than Poland or Romania.
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>>53583398
Kurds are White.

A lot of Iranians have high percentage of R1b or R1a1a. They are most closely related to Southern Europeans and not Northern Europeans. Attached pic is how a White Iranian typically looks. I actually look like the person in attached pic of this post:

>>53581624
Look at that pic
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all Iranians are non-meme white, they just usually get a little tan like women on left in pic.
Arabs aren't white as they are born with that slightly off skin color.

>>53583398
>Dark eyes and hair make someone not white
>Believing the memes
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>>53583562
meant to quote >>53583195
for the first part
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>>53583398
look at this pic:
>>53581624

Granted, we don't have much genetic similarities with Northwestern Europeans, true.More with Southern Europeans like the Balkan people
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>>53583544
This guy is Turkish btw.
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>>53583048
trabzon(trebizond) was an ancient pontic state until late 15th century when they fell to ottomans, the same people still live and they are called the laz now. they are one of the many groups that retain their own culture&language in turkey even though they are quite a nationalistic bunch

also they arguably have some of the most comfiest countryside in all of turkey

>>53583097
i care for peace in middle east, but arabic feuds are not on my radar
i would pay money to see the house of saud get rekt though
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>>53583842
No, he's Persian. Look at the nose.

A lot of Turks descend from Persians btw. It depends on the ethnic group.
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>>53583544
Perhaps by american standards. No one in Sweden would call a kurd, arab or persian white. And I think its the same in other European countries.
>>53583619
As I wrote above I just think "white" is defined differently in NA compared to Europe.
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>>53583981
I don't know his original descend but he is Turkish citizen. Here his latest photo kek.
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>>53584116
>Perhaps by american standards. No one in Sweden would call a kurd, arab or persian white. And I think its the same in other European countries.
You seem to be arguing White is Northwestern European man or Nordic origin or something. That is too exclusionist of a definition. It's also not based off the reality of the Kurgan hypothesis.

There was an article I read where Iranians in South European countries shave and trim a lot in order to blend in. They pass for White in a lot of those countries. Like I've said, Iranians genetically cluster more closely to Southern Europeans like Balkan people in PCA plots.
>As I wrote above I just think "white" is defined different
You need a scientific definition. I am not interested in what society's deem White. Rather, I'm interested in hard science facts, assuming we accept the existence of race in the first place which I do.

Also, I do not believe the ancient Yamna people more closely resembled Nordic people.
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>>53584189
How do you know that is the same person? They don't look alike.
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>>53581729
>Israel and muslims, amirite
Christ, imagine if jews were the XX-century nazis - the world would become a bit of a better place to live
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>>53584285
what the fuck do you call a white then you fat prick

%90 of iranians are brown as fuck, why are you trying to push a meme that they are white?
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>>53584437
>%90 of iranians are brown as fuck, why are you trying to push a meme that they are white?
It depends on the ethnicity and area. I look like the guy in this pic: >>53581624

Like I've said, Mazanderanis, Gilaks, and Lurs have high percentages of R1b or R1a1a. They also look like the pic I gave...

A lot of Persians are light-skinned too
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>>53584285
What does Yamna have to do with anything? This is the sort of nonsense you start resorting to when you argue cultural definitions of "white" (you fell into the trap of equivocating a lot in your post).

Either "white" = Caucasoid or "white" becomes whatever you want it to be. Do you want to it to mean "fair"? Do you want it to mean Caucasoid and Christian? Do you want it to just include these three villages?
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>>53583544
More power for turkish Freddie Mercuries with a stupid mullet
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>>53584369
From the news, the old mullet style photo you posted was used by some famous parody turkish twitter account and this original guy wanted them to remove it. His name is Adem Aydın. But we've got tons of people exactly looking similar to him at Turkey.
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>>53584549
White is simply those who have a significant mixture from the original Indo-European peoples.

Iranians, after all, speak an Indo-European language, and their history was formative to the development of Western ethos. Judeo-Christianity was heavily inspired by Persian Zoroastrianism and Assyrian religions.

Assyrians are typically White too btw.
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>>53584700
>White is simply those who have a significant mixture from the original Indo-European peoples.

So Sardinians are less "white" than Iranians?

>Assyrians are typically White too btw.

Under your definition, probably not...

>and their history was formative to the development of Western ethos

True, they helped develop the Western ethos that made a distinction between "Greco-Roman Europe" and "Iranic Asia". Hoho.
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Imo, either the Kurgan or Anatolian hypothesis is right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurgan_hypothesis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolian_hypothesis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_Urheimat_hypotheses

I think the Kurgan is most popular in academia.
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>>53584827
The goal is to figure out which ethnicity most closely resembles the Proto Indo Europeans and use them as a reference value to figure out whose haplogroup percentages most closely coincide with theirs for "Whiteness".

Read about the Proto Indo European Urheimat hypothesis. Regardless, they proto Indo Europeans were 100 percent White.
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>>53585082
Some Northeast Europeans like Ukrainians, (non-Northern) Russians and Poles probably resemble the PIE most.

I assume you're trolling though, your post is too ridiculous otherwise.
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i am white because my haplogroup is r1a
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some japs and mongols have lighter skin then french yet the later is white...
if you have light skin your white imho
bezema,zidane,nasri are white but mahrez isn't
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>>53585216
>Some Northeast Europeans like Ukrainians, (non-Northern) Russians and Poles probably resemble the PIE most.
Source? There's a lot debate here.
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>>53584285
White is considered anything north of Serbia pretty much here. Further south than that it becomes a question of definitions.
There are white people in Greece, Albania etc but also alot of non-whites (Not immigrants,but ethnic Greeks, ethnic Albanians).

some consider greeks white, some consider them to be blattar (derogatory word used for non-whites, which the blattar use themselves. its like nigger in the US).

But when it comes to middle easterners; persians, greeks, assyrians, kurds, arabs - ALL are considered to be blattar, both by themselves and by the Swedes. And its exactly the same in the neighbouring countries.
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>>53585216
Also, I do not consider paleolithic europeans 100% White, and for that reason i don't consider Nordic people 100 percent white because they are most palelithic european. Only the Proto Indo Europeans were White.

Proto Indo-Europeans definitely weren't some kind of Nordid Aryan supermen. They were probably had eastern-Mediterranean traits.

There was an exchange of language after they migrated to Europe.
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>>53585492
You guys are not as White as you think.

Paleolithic Europeans were just barbarians until Proto Indo-europeans migrated there and gave you culture and a better language. In all honesty, it debatable what Proto Indo Europeans looked like, but I am pretty certain they didn't resemble Nordic people in appearance.
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>>53585492
ops, minus greeks on middle easterners list.
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>>53584544
> I look like the guy in this pic
If you look like that guy then you look like a sand nigger you dumb fuck
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>>53585624
>If you look like that guy then you look like a sand nigger you dumb fuck
Most people don't think he looks like a sandnigger. You've been surrounding yourself with too much Northwestern media.

It's debatable what the original Proto Indo European peoples looked like. They may have looked like that pic predominantly, making us Whiter than any Northwestern European but who knows?

The point is to figure out what Proto Indo European haplogroup percentages and common phenotypes were.They probably had eastern-Mediterranean traits.
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>>53585502
>>53585564
definition of autism or baiting.

your own definitions doesnt mean anything, theres a consensus in all of europe that middle easterners arent white.
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>>53585330
If you identify PIE with the steppe, then genomic data seems to suggest so. Sorry, too lazy to link the studies.

>>53585502
It's quite possible that much/most of the "paleolithic" in Northern Europe is just steppe ancestry, not genuine continuity. Anyway, "white", if we could put it in population genetics terms, is just the confluence of a few groups (Mesolithic HG from various locations, Neolithic farmers from the Near East who themselves seem mixed, steppe populations that were also mixed).

Cultural definitions of "white" OTOH are all over the map, people from the same location can have different definitions.

Also keep in mind that alleles controlling skin, hair, eye color and facial features are VERY few. I'm sure you already know that but it's worth emphasizing. It's why people with significant non-Caucasoid ancestry can look "white" to Northern Europeans while purely Caucasoid Southern Europeans might not.
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>>53585760
No one cares dumb fuck. White has nothing to do with language.
Whites=Stereotypical north western and north eastern europeans
If you don't look like a Norwegian or a Lithuanian, you're not white.
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>>53585593
Im Greek. What do you think I look like? I am kind of pale, burn in the sun, but then become tan afterwards. My nipples are brown and I have a large nose. Am I blatter or white? Is being white even worth it anymore?
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>>53585832
No, it's a common scientific definition that White is simply those with significant Proto Indo European admixture.

Your societal biases don't mean shit.

There are very few, if any, pure Proto Indo European peoples but that's debatable.
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>>53585832
No, there's no such "consensus" (how could there be?) in Europe. Even within countries, there are different opinions.

Here most ME Christians are considered white, while some boreal-looking Scandinavians might not be.
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>>53585890
>If you don't look like a Norwegian or a Lithuanian, you're not white.
That's just a cultural definition.

This Greek guy makes more fucking sense than you. Shut the fuck up Canadian cuck. Go suck Trudeau's dick some more.
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>>53585975
>g-guyz i'm white even though my skin is the same color as shit, i promise!
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>>53585871
I see your point. You know more on this than me.

So in order to Occam's Razor this clusterfuck, let's just agree White = Caucasoid then, as you originally claimed?
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>>53586042
I look like this guy, but I typically shave: >>53581624
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Why the hell is everyone obsessed with being white?
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>>53586139
I care because there is a continuity to the ethos.
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>>53586060
That's the thing though, "white" isn't a biological definition in everyday social use. It's used in any arbitrar way people want it to use and it can't be otherwise.

But yeah, I personally use white in the sense of Caucasoid (which of course is a frequent usage too).
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Kurds and other Iranian people are filthy sandnigger Jews.
Neniam forgesu pri tiu atako kontraŭ nia popolo
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>>53581281
They arent, althought there are some white ones
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>>53586205
There are obviously different types of Caucasoid because different groups cluster more closely.

Persians are Caucasoids but are distantly related to Greeks and other Balkan peoples, etc.

We are a part of the Indo European tradition whether people like it our not.

There were even a lot of Iranian Roman Catholic Saints:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Persian_Roman_Catholic_saints
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>>53581281
They're like half and half

Iranians are whiter than Arabs but less white than Turks
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>>53586248
Wtf, you're Armenian and saying Persians aren't as White as you guys? We're very closely related genetically and phenotypically. Get off your high-horse. You guys even celebrate Nowruz and Yalda.
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>>53586109
Sure thing Mohammad.
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>>53586548
I'm not lying. I look like that guy, but I shave. I attached another Iranian that looks like me.
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>>53585502
>Only the Proto Indo Europeans were White.
What the fuck?

The Proto Indo Europeans were literally just a random European tribe who happened to spread their culture and language very far. Nothing made them the be-all, end-all of whiteness.
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>>53586622
Dude, I could care less about your looks.

You are NOT white, thats for sure.
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>>53586477
Sure, you can come up with as many "races" as you want but Caucasoids form clines within themselves and are separated very sharply from Negroids and Mongoloids, both genetically and anthropologically.

That's why that dinstinction makes more sense, you can detect chasms but breaking up clines can only happen due to secondary considerations.

>We are a part of the Indo European tradition

No one denies IE commonalities but Iran was always seen as distinct from "Europe". Indeed, Iranians are much more closely related to Europeans by genes/race than by historical cultural definitions which, from ancient Greece on, basically framed Iranians (along with Arabs/Muslims and Turks later on) as the Other par excellence.
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>>53581624
None of those are White.
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>>53586730
Do you consider yourself White?

If you look White and have the haplogroup percentages to be white (e.g. R1b or R1a1a), then aren't you White?
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>>53586766
Turks do not racism in Iran. Azeris are very well assimilated.

Without Persianate influence, Turks would have no culture btw:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persianate_society

We gave you culture. Show us respect.

Rumi was Persian btw :p
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>>53586766
Churki gib me watermelon davai.
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>>53586866
>do not racism

do not receive racism*
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>>53586866
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>>53586866
we are not turks anyways
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>>53586866
I am not a t*rk. I posted the pic to illustrate Azeri's (and other neighboring peoples') looks.
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>>53586953
Turk roaches are just upset we have a more sophisticated heritage that they live in the shadow of.
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>>53581281
Kabyle are white too, it's an ethny from north africa.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabyle_people#Genetics_and_physical_anthropology
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>>53587064
Lol no
Persians<Eastern Romans
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>>53586766
yeah, i guess azeris re not white. Gilaki and Mazanderani and Lur people are typically White tho because they're very Caucasoid
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>>53587139
>Persians<Eastern Romans
Assad Family is Eastern Roman. You guys are not:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_the_Turkish_people
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>>53587202
Yes we are
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>>53587281
I have never met a Turk Whiter than me.
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>>53587162
>Gilaki and Mazanderani and Lur people are typically White
No, they aren't. None of the people from that vicinity (and the whole Middle East) are White. And I'm not talking about the American legal definition of """""White""""".
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>>53584424
if jews were nazis, who would be their jews ?

>i would say everybody else since we're all Goy for them
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>>53582444
Go back to Iran shit skin
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Don't care desu
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>>53587334
>>53587334
They typically have a high percentage of R1b or R1a1a and light skin. They look fucking White too in appearance.

What else does one need to White and hang out with the honkies?
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>>53587328
Eastern Romans were mediterranean looking swarthy people.
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>>53587390
You're more of a shitskin, kike. Go back to swimming in your shekels, shlomo.

We're not goys for you to exploit. Cyrus the Great made a mistake in sparing your shitskins.

Without Cyrus' gratitude, you wouldn't even exist today.
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>>53587402
Le haploshit autism.
>They typically have a high percentage of R1b or R1a1a
What did you mean by this?

>and light skin
Lol, nope, maybe compared to blacks.

>They look fucking White too in appearance.
Yeah, again maybe compared to niggers they look ""White"" but otherwise, not really. Why would you even want to hang out with the honkies?
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>>53587685
>What did you mean by this?
I'm referencing the distribution of haplogroup frequencies strongly correlated with human migration and stuff. Look at attached image. R1b and R1a1a are commonly associated with White people, I think.

>Lol, nope, maybe compared to blacks.
This doesn't look light skinned to you? >>53581624 or >>53586622

>Lol, nope, maybe compared to blacks.

Shut up you Eurasian savage.
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>>53586803
No I do not and I could careless.
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>>53587915
Well, I'm White/Caucasoid, and I'm a part of the Indo European ethos whether people like it or not.

My ancestors practically invented the Judeo-Christian tradition.
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>>53581281
as much as italians, greeks, spaniards, most of the french, or balkanites... so not at all
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>>53588059
Fuck you, Nordicists. You guys were practically barbarians until relatively recently.
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>>53588059
Italians, greeks, spaniards, most of the french, and balkanites are fucking White, and so are the fucking Persians White.

You Northern Germanic peoples are dummies and basically cucking yourselves over now.
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Hazaras ARE white
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>>53588364
>Hazaras
They have significant Mongol mixture due to Mongol invasions. Mongols killed about 10-15 million people on the Iranian plateau.
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>>53587882
>R1b
Nope, only some subclades of it.

>Ra1a
It's associated with Indo-European ancestry but still doesn't make one White.

>This doesn't look light skinned to you?
That's quite light (there are plenty of people of that complexion in ME) they are still not White though. And most people in all parts of Iran are much darker.
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>>53588128
>>53588225
ok angry mudslimes... sorry I don't "respect" albania to the fulluest!
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>>53588364
Yeah, like the Japanese? Whom also often have fair skin.
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>>53588455
>It's associated with Indo-European ancestry but still doesn't make one White.
Then what the fuck makes one White based off your shit, biased definition, Eurasian savage?
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>>53588128
Why is it that non-whites always say this?

Yes, we didn't speak Greek, doesn't take a genius to figure it out.
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As long as you have Indo European ancestry and look Caucasoid, then you are White, period.

You guys are loons just like Varg. Go suck his dick.
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>>53588600
Nordic people had sacrificial sex rituals:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_religion#Sacrifice

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_funeral#Human_sacrifice

Northern Germanic people were literally barbarians that constantly fought with the sophisticated Romans.
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>>53588438
Turkic too

>>53588497
Something like that
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No

Whites are mostly shit
Iranians therefore are not white
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>>53588510
Autist, I'm Armenian, ergo not White or European either, so calm down.
White people are people with overwhelmingly European ancestry (except for Portugal).
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In the future, once the global power shifts, light-skinned blue-eyed, blonde tall savages will be viewed as barbarians and non-whites, and then more Mediterranean people will be viewed as the true Whites.
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>>53588510
Normal white
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>>53581281
No, Caucasian yes, white no. White generally means people of European ancestry.
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Iranians are based.
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>>53588895
Dark white
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>>53588895
Lol more like a barbarian White. Italians, greeks, spaniards, most of the french, and balkanites are the more sophisticated Whites.

>>53588800
We're closely related to Southern Europeans, therefore we're White. White has nothing to do with being European.
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>>53588728
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_ancient_Rome#Human_sacrifice

Wow! Amazing!
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>>53588964
Not white

This guy is a persian immigrant to Sweden.
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Iranians are as white as Finns
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>>53588991
>White has nothing to do with being European.

What the fuck am I reading?
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>>53582793
They have a lot of shared history and since the US war with Iraq they are growing closer together especially with regards to religion.
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>>53589019
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_ancient_Rome#Human_sacrifice
"Human sacrifice in ancient Rome was rare"

It was more common among the barbarian Northern Germanic peoples that constantly fought the Romans.
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>>53588991
>We're closely related to Southern Europeans
No, you aren't ;)
That is also one of the favorite arguments of Armenians who want to prove that they are White. They are so delusional xD
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>>53589027

Look at these Iranians:
>>53581624
>>53586622

They distantly related to Southern Europeans, and cluster closely in PCA plots. Their phenotypes are also very similar, except for the curve of the nose typically. They are called "Armenoids" or "Iranid".
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>>53589158
Okay, what does sacrificing some slaves have to do with anything? Egyptians did it too, lmao.

I don't even know why I'm arguing with you.
>Armenian
>Commenting on who is white
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>>53589205
"Iranians are only distantly related to Europeans as a whole, predominantly with southern Europeans like Greeks, Albanians, Serbs, Croatians, Italians, Bosniks, Spaniards, Macedonians, Portuguese, and Bulgarians, rather than northern Europeans like Norwegians, Danes, Swedes, Irish, Scottish, English, Fins, Estonians, Welsh, Latvians, and Lithuanians.[116][ Grugni (2012)p="Iranian groups do not cluster all together, occupying intermediate positions among Arab, Near Eastern and Asian clusters"]""
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>>53589363
>Iranians are only distantly related to Europeans as a whole

You are literally proving him right.
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>>53589205
>Greeks, Albanians, Serbs, Croatians, Italians, Bosniks, Spaniards, Macedonians, Portuguese, and Bulgarians,
PCA Plots show we are genetically closely related to "Greeks, Albanians, Serbs, Croatians, Italians, Bosniks, Spaniards, Macedonians, Portuguese, and Bulgarians,". A lot of us, including myself, look very similar too besides the nose and being a bit hairier.

Anyways, Norwegians, Danes, Swedes, Irish, Scottish, English, Fins, Estonians, Welsh, Latvians, and Lithuanians descend from barbarians and I'm glad not to be genetically related to them.
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>>53589430
>You are literally proving him right.
I never said we are the same. I said we are closely related, "Nevertheless, Iranian-speaking Central Asians do show closer affinity to [Southern] Europeans than do Turkic-speaking Central Asians.[117]"
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>>53589363
And? That doesn't mean you white nao, Ali.

>>53589448
Proofs?
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>>53589430
>>53589363
>>53589325
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3399854/
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>>53589514
So how does that make you white?

You can be "white" in your head all you want, but if no one else considers you white, it doesn't matter.

Are you just going to start spurting this shit out at strangers?
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>>53589533
i linked proof here:
>>53589594
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3399854/

We're fucking White like the Southern Europeans.
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>>53589599
Everyone I confront thinks I'm White and am a Spaniard, Greek, Portugese, or Italian.
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>>53582338
Shah Ismail himself had a Georgian roots.
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>>53581497
shit tier meme expected from german
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>>53589755
Almost everyone from Transcaucasia and significant majority of Iranians are fucking White and they are closely related to Southern Europeans. They have little to no relation with Northern Europeans though.

They are fucking White and were involved int the development of the Western ethos. Being "White" is not about being European. People need to quite with that Eurocentric bullshit.
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>>53589864
Welcome home my white brother.
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>>53589864
You'll never escape from the 'muh europe' bullshit on 4chan
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>>53581281
There is more than one Iranian ethnicity, and the live in more than just Iran. In Iran itself; there are many Iranian groups, some of them are very fair skinned, some of them are not. And even within each group, skin tone changes due to admixture with Semites,Turks, Mongols, and others. The original Indo-Aryans that migrated into Iran and mixed with the indigenous Elamites and Medes would have been white as you would say. The Greeks once said that the Achaemenids were lighter of skin then them. Today; if you look at a country within Greater Iran like Tajikistan; where the populace is less mixed and closer to the original Indo-Aryans; you'll see they are nearly European white. But generally; as a rule of thumb; Iranians are darker than Europeans but lighter than say, Arabs or Indians.
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>>53589951
I have a lot of respect for Greek culture. I consider my process philosophy to be in-line with the tradition of Heraclitus, who I consider a genius. I like Bergson and Deleuze too.

My favorite Greek play is Oedipus Rex.

I want to visit Greece one of these days, and I think hellenization was a good thing.
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>>53589864
bullshit: the post
wew lad
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>>53583048
Many Laz live their
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>>53590227
A significant majority in Transcaucasia and Iran*, there you go.
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>>53589654
How exacly does it prove your point? Could you post the relevant passage. I couldn't find it. And it's a haploshit study anyway, not autosomal DNA.

Also, couldn't save the pic cuz I'm on my phone:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/core/lw/2.0/html/tileshop_pmc/tileshop_pmc_inline.html?title=Click%20on%20image%20to%20zoom&p=PMC3&id=3399854_pone.0041252.g003.jpg

>>53589723
>le I have been mistaken for a darker european and that means I'm white!! ;_;
Same happened to me in Spain but that doesn't mean I'm White.
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>>53590029
>The Greeks once said that the Achaemenids were lighter of skin then them.

I doubt that they said that in the terms you think. They generally made comments about the fact that the Persians were untanned compared to them and thus "unmanly" (since tanning was to them an indication of nude strength training and wrestling).

>>53590061
Iranians back home should ditch Islam and their more conservative attitudes. Iranian women are top tier and the Iranian, along with the Lebanese, diaspora is probably the most stereotypically hu-white among the Muslims.
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>>53585832
Dumfan.
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>>53590361
>Iranians back home should ditch Islam
A lot of them already have, and the regime isn't going to last for long. The problem with toppling the regime right now is the temporary chaos would open the door for Saudi intervention, which isn't a good thing.
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>>53590369
hello buttmad wannabe white Ahmed
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>>53590335
no you faggot, caucasians, armenians, turks and iranians are not white.
deal with it.
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>>53581624
>They tend to have high percentage of R1b or R1a1a.
WE WUZ SAMRATIAN AND SHIZ
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>>53581379
Says the fucking cockroach turk.
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I want to take a 23andme test, but it's too expensive.
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>>53581497
>>53589809
that german comes from the same country as you, man.
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>>53586525
>You guys even celebrate Nowruz and Yalda.
Maybe in Iran. Not anywhere else.
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>>53590783
Okay, regardless you guys have significant Persian influence in your culture. You were even a part of our empire during most of your history.
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>>53590783
Maddox is Armenian and White and he looks like a lot of my cousins.
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Ask an Iranian anything.
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>>53590361
Yes, it is true it was used as an insult; but it does still give an indication of their skin tone then. Even if they were talking about being tanned; the Greeks were still swarthier. So in those days, the average Iranian was lighter than a tanned Greek. Unless Greeks turned negroid black when they tanned, that'd make the Iranians of a fairly light skin tone.
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>>53590934
Another picture of George Ouzounian, that is Maddox. he's a White Armenian
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>>53590876
Yeah, I never denied it. Also, Parthian influence is probably stronger than Persian, especially in borrowed vocabulary. So I'd call it Iranian influence.
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>>53590489
Vanliga svenskar är inte alls så upphängda på vithet som du är lille vännen

Men visst, det är klart man ser på folk när de inte är vanliga svenskar, det är något man märker. Men då handlar det mer om att någon ser fransk, rysk, grekisk, eller kanske vietnamesisk ut, osv. Inte "han är vit, och han är inte vit".
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>>53590994
The average untanned Iranian is still lighter than the average tanned Greek. Even many Northern Europeans can tan very deeply.
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>>53590934
>>53591025
That's not White. Stop posting brown ppl.
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>>53591148
>Even many Northern Europeans can tan very deeply

Well, despite our lack of sunlight, skin cancer rate is high af...
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>>53591286
Slovenia confirmed for white
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Old Iranians were Indo-European thus white.

What happened after the years of interbreeding with the locals is the mix we have now.
Some are pure Iranic, some look like Arabs
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Yes Iranians are white.

Pic related
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>>53591195
yeah it is, regardless most persians look like the other images i gave
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>>53590934
>>53591025
Never in a thousand years would I ever see this guy and think he's white.

He looks like a refugee.
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>>53589755
Are you an Ossete?
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Yes,Germans,Croats,Ukrainians,Poles...etc are white
However,Iranians who live in modern day iran are just aryan,though there are even some of them are ginger,or are blond and have blue eyes(They may have polish,russian or german ancestors or even be one of last remaining scythians)but the majority are not white
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>>53591286
Compare your map to this one as well:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Melanoma_and_other_skin_cancers_world_map_-_Death_-_WHO2004.svg

Some interesting confounders seem to pop up in the comparison.
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>>53581281
>tfw persian gf
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>>53591586
You angloscum fuck
I live in iran and can't get one...
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>>53591493
Most Iranians look like this though:
>>53581624
>>53586622
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>>53591482
>yeah it is
'No'
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Most I've met irl were arab or indian brown, the lighter ones looked more arab
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>>53591083
Tror du att dina härskartekniker fungerar? "Lille vännen". Lägg ner bara.

Alla vet vilka som är vita och vilka som inte är vita, det finns en konsensus. Sedan att den genomsnittlige svensken sällan eller aldrig pratar om saken förändrar inget. Det är så inlärt sedan barnsben att det är självklarheter.

De enda som skulle kunna vara omtvistat är huruvida sydeuropeer är vita eller inte. INGEN anser folk ifrån mellanöstern som vita, inte ens "antirasisterna" själva.
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>>53591552
What's weird is Iranians depicted themselves as brown in Persepolis relief though:

Regardless of our skin tone, we are White, more related to Southern Europeans.

Some of us are lighter skinned.

i actually can't tan btw, skin gets pink
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>>53591730
They still look like Arabs.
I can't spot a difference.
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>>53591724
It's quite coincidental, both of my mates also have persian gfs
hard luck m8, they have great asses
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>>53591836
>I can't spot a difference.
My ignorance is my strength

Are you sure you're not an ameriburger?
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>>53591898
Are you seriously going to tell me those two men look like white people? They look no different to arabs at all.
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>>53591519
Nope, why are you asking?
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>>53591836
Persians are not really white, but Arabs are fucking sub humans.
Syrian Arab fighters
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>>53591991
Do you Georgians are White?
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>>53591991
I think their culture is very intresting and their one of the last remaining Scythians tribes
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>>53591827
There are tons of different types of Iranian live in iran
Lurs,laks,gilak,mazrons...etc
My moms side were turks who came to iran after WWI from russia
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>tfw no big ass farsi speaking gf
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Post Iranian qts you autists
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>>53591985
>Are you seriously going to tell me those two men look like white people?
No

>They look no different to arabs at all.
You are completely off on this one. He looks Iranian with heavy substratum admixture but he is no where near an Arab

>>53592083
> last remaining Scythians tribes
Alan, that is a part of Sarmatians
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>>53592083
>This english
Fucking auto correct
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>>53591863
y-you too
>>53591836
For an iranian spoting an arab is really easy
they tend to have different cheekbones,eye..etc
You can't spot the diffenece between a jap and a korean too but they are different
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you fucking gaylords should stop anthrocelling and instead post BIG PERSIAN ASS
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>>53592197
They were close related though (eastern Iranians)
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>>53592184
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>>53581281
Literal goddess
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>>53592267
>t.kuffar
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>>53592267
Not big ass but i think with a nose job she can be more cuter
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>>53592083
Literally Iranified Circassians/Adyge

t. ethnicity pro
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>>53592267
I only have this retarded Israel : Iran comparison
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>>53591985
Have you ever seen an Arab? They're a lot darker than Persians/Armenians and don't often have the same facial features. I don't know if I'd call the latter white since they're not European, but they're definitely whiter than Arabs.

pic related is an Armenian, she looks far from Arab to me
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>>53592267
And oh,i reminder to check this girls insta
she joined the army
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>>53592067
no
>>53592444
other way around vazgen
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>Mfw in [Insert current year] people still think that having a weaker resistance to sunlight and skin cancer (AKA Pale skin) makes you superior somehow.
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>>53592260
Do you make some crazy underground drug Gang bang parties over there, senpai ?
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>>53592597
t. albert einstein
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>>53592571
Ossetians are literally Circassians/Adyge speaking an Iranian language.
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>>53592571
>other way around vazgen
This
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>>53592444
>What are Alans?
More like Circassians are descendants of them Ruski
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This thread is like Somalis on that Nigerian forum, Nairaland or something. They constantly bash non-horn Africans calling them monkeys, and see themselves as white or arabs or something.

They dont realize they are all seen as blacks by others. Delusional and self hating.

If you come here as a middle easterner and start calling yourself white - white people will laugh, and hippie whites + your countrymen will get mad because ur not realizing ur part of "an oppressed minority" and should use the race card and fight the "oppressors" (white people).

Our "anti-racist" lobby hold these meetings where white people are banned from attending, its for "colored people only", all middle easterners would be allowed to go there. Its balts, scandis, brits, germanics, central europeans, slavs etc that are banned.
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>>53590950
تو کره جنوبی چی کار میکنی؟
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>>53592462
If that looks "far from Arab to you", it just shows how fucking dumb you are, has nothing to do with how she looks.
Everyone would think she's Lebanese or Syrian in Toronto.
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>>53592704
Yea, and armenians are turks speaking chechen language
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>>53592789
Is that Allahu akbar?
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>>53592597
You know thats not what its about. Being white is seen as desireable because white people have ruled and dominated this world for at least 500 years. White skin = Upper class, money, power in almost every single country where white people live.

my prediction is that east asians will take over sooner or later. There are way more of them and they are also very innovative. East asian features will probably become more of an ideal in the future.
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>>53592812
Vast majority of Arabs doesn't look like Lebanese and Syrians are mostly shitskins
See:>>53592029
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>>53592812
she has a really pan-European look. she could pass anywhere in Europe.
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>>53592812
>Everyone would think she's Lebanese or Syrian in Toronto.
Well that just shows how fucking dumb you are

Let's stop with this murican memefication of everything. If you know something in detail, then you can tell the difference in this instance between an Iranian and Arab.
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>>53592737
Nope, Circassians are native to Caucasus mountains. Scythian, Alans and other Iranians were alien nomad invaders. Their language lives on among Ossetians but otherwise they are North-West Caucasians.
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>>53592516

>ywn have an Iranian revolutionary guard gf who screams out anti-sunni phrases while you fuck her

Between this and my fetish for soviet girls I think I have a thing for my country's enemies.
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>>53592931
Maybe for Greece or Italy.
She can't pass anywhere else.
>>53592940
She's not even Iranian dumb fuck.
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>>53592635
>Do you make some crazy underground drug Gang bang parties over there, senpai ?
We did(do?) crazy EDM shit back in 2006-2009
and there was a lot of ecstasy on the streets
I neither don't know what happened to those parties or what happend to all those ecstasy

You have no idea how popular ecstasy was on that time
like there was anti-ecstasy animations played on tv and shit aimed at fucking childeren
Now we are stuck with lame ass weed
Glad LSD is making a comeback tho,at least in iran
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>>53592971
Why do they have complete different genetic make up which resembles the DNA of Alanic mummies ?
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>>53592873
I don't see how that corresponds to my statement.
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>>53592897
Europeans mostly dominated the New World 500 years ago. A few ports in Asia and Africa =/= domination. That came much later in the 19th-20th centuries since before that Europeans weren't much ahead of the more populous, just as rich (and even as technologically advanced) Asia and parts of Africa.
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>>53592897
Well then why do they care if they are white or not? It wont change their nationality, it wont change their culture, it wont change their development or History.
Argentina is white and didnt dominated shit.

>Inb4 Argentina """White"""
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>>53592971
>Their language lives on among Ossetians but otherwise they are North-West Caucasians.
But the core of Ossetians is definitely Iranic, not native Circassian. They have interbred with the natives since the arrival of course

>>53593015
>can't tell Iranians and Arabs apart
>call others dumb
I see where the problem is, in your country arr rook da same
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>>53593056
Fuck your muzzie regime up and I would gladly come over ?
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>>53592976
>Iranian revolutionary guard gf
He joined norwegian
>>53592874
HOL UP
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>>53593086
Proofs, Ali Reza?

>>53593139
What do you mean by "core"?
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>>53593215
What do you mean by "mean"?
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>>53593015
you're fooling yourself if you think she can't pass in central europe, germany or the uk
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>>53581281
Objectively no. It's not even a matter of debate.
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>>53593154
Come,convert to zorostrainism and merry an Iranian,thats the best way to fuck with regime
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>>53593267
I think you're the one fooling yourself.
There is no way she can pass in any of those places.
They're here, ask them.
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>>53593237
Epic.
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>>53581624
I have the same nose and skin tone and my mom is from kurdistan
phew, I though I was jewish :')
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>>53593215
>Ali Reza
Top kek I'm not Iranian, but it would be better than an ugly Armenian
Look at "gentics" and weep your hooked nose, Armo
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>>53593317
i realize you have to uphold your muh nordic image on these imageboards but i've been to england, wales and southern germany and i know what the people look like.

a fair skinned, brown eyed brown haired alpinoid looking girl would pass for sure
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>>53589448
Barbarian is a Greek word that was used for everybody who wasn't Greek.
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>>53593385
Forgot Link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alans
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>>53593302
>convert to zorostrainism
Is this thing even alive today? Surely you meant Shia Islam
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>>53593302
VEEEEEEEE GOZASHT ALIIIIIIII BABAAAAA
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>>53590934
He is of look like fucking nigger
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>>53593486
Its even growing
>>53593494
kek
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>>53593385
>this assmad Turk
lol don't pretend like you look different than Armenians by any significant margin.
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>>53593106
your mum corresponds to my statement desu iykwim lad
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>>53593126
Europeans started taking port-cities in Africa in the 15 century.
Then they Colonized America in the 16-17 century.
And They Started Colonizing All of Africa and Most of Southern Asia around that time.

They pretty much rulled the world in the 18-19 century.
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>>53593438
Or Roman.
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>>53593609
>You hate Armenians, you must be Turk!
No I just hate sub humans a.k.a. middle easterners and Armenians are worse than Turkshits
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>>53593557
Would you say there will be a change in 20-30 years?
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>>53591821
Det förvånar dig säkert men de flesta tänker inte så mycket över om folk är vita eller inte. Kan vara svårt för dig med din grava autism att förstå. Det handlar som sagt mer om saker som hur ansiktet ser ut, skägg, mustasch, hår, osv, än just om vad hudfärgen är. Det är inget svart och vitt "han är vit, han är inte vit" som jag sa i mitt förra brev. Finns ju massor med folk som är i gränslandet som då t ex sydeuropéer och även då många från mellanöstern, de kan i vissa fall ses som vita men såklart ser de icke-svenska ut, många andra gånger så är de mörkare och då alltså icke-vita. Så är det, du försöker envist att dra alla från mellanöstern över en kam och säga att de är allihopa icke-vita men det går inte.
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>>53592440
Doesn't need a nose job bro. Imperfect noses are cute. Generally, if a girl is pretty but has one imperfection like that, it's perfect. Same way a mole can be attractive.

t. Qt expert
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>>53593843
Yeah,many things changed in last 30 years in Iran
many more things may/can/will change in next decades
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>>53593385
>>53593455
>Top kek I'm not Iranian
Sure you aren't ;)

What's written in the end of the first passage doesn't correspond to the sourced article's conclusion. In the article it is said that there ought to be conducted more studies to determine whether Ossetian G2 comes from Iranians or native Caucasians. Pic related.

>>53593631
Rude tbհ

>>53593742
Nice taqiyya, Mahmoud.
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>>53594006
Thanks
You know?You can find many qt iranian grills in stockholm if you are interested
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>>53594151
I don't go to stockholm often but that sounds great, how?

Love your country btw, hope I can visit someday
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>>53589027
Ficki Ficki!
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>>53593557
JOOOOON

QANDOLAK DASTAM BIGIR DEGYYYYYY

YEK MACH BEDHA DEGYYYYYYY
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>>53594079
They have G2 because they were fugged by teh georgians.
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>>53594151
There are planty of iranian resturants and cafes in stockcity
Iranians often hangout there
Just apporoch a girl,ask her bunch of quastions about iran,she gets interested in

http://imgur.com/a/AZLY9
Check this album out,theres shitload of amazing landscape to visit
Besides,be sure to have a mask when you arrive in tehran,weather is pollouted as shit
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>>53594344
AHA AHA
BIA
RIZ RIZ RIZ HALA
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>>53581624
>tfw i have nose like this
>brown eyes
>and persian name like based darius
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>>53582836
>posts Jew..
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>>53584827
>So Sardinians are less "white" than Iranians

They have twice more Arab admixture than Kurds
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>>53593952
Nej folk tänker inte över det eftersom det sker per automatik, det har vi med oss sedan barnsben. Vi har lärt oss av samhället att kunna avgöra vilka som är vita och vilka som inte är vita. Våra automatiska inlärda definitioner av vem som är vit är inte EXAKT överrensstämmande, vissa ser en Serb och tänker blatte, andra ser en Serb och tänker vit. Men trots dessa små skillnader så finns det en konsensus kring solklara fall, som afrikaner, folk ifrån Mellanöstern, asiater m.fl.

Vit, svart, gul, brun är extremt och konstant närvarande i de flesta samhällen. Jag tror inte att "ras" någonsin varit så aktuellt som idag då folk bor blandat numera och det uppstår diskussioner om kvoteringar, diskriminering och annat.
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>>53594487
Thank you, simply approaching a girl and starting a conversation is not really something you do in sweden though... You can do it, people reply politely and all, but it's weird.

Those pics look amazing
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>>53594700
Sardinians don't seem to have much if any Arab admixture. They are the closest living population to Neolithic farmers and have very little steppe and mesolithic ancestry, that's why they plot close to the Near East there.

Also

>a 2D PCA from years ago
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we are iranians so we are anything they are
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>>53594079
Yeah but the are more evidence for my claims than for yours
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>>53592453
>>>/pol/
Fuck outta here
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>>53595177
Not really. Have you actually read the article?
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>>53591836
They have different facial structures and no brownish-yellow skin compared to Arabs.
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>>53595730
I can't read fucking Russian and the English article doesn't mention this neither does the German
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>>53594881
My aryan reletive!
>>53594818
Its not weird for us iranians
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>>53590934
No he's not
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>>53596673
What about this guy?:

>>53581624
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>>53596002
The misleading passage appears to have been added by some Kurd living in Germany. Was that you? ;^)
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>>53595472
>triggered subhuman
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>>53596935
Lel seems like your passive aggressive Mr. Shitskin
>I am wrong, you must be K*rd!
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>>53597139
How the fuck am I wrong lel?

I'm just asking because it doesn't seem to be impossible, I wouldn't be surprised if you were a shill tbհ

Is this your profile?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Wikisupporting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Wikisupporting
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>>53583261
fuck erdogan and islam desu (white turk is speaking)
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>>53584189
typical italian;)
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>>53597462
Not really the article just states what I said and you shitpost here
>2016
>still arguing with the Caucasus Jew
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>>53597672
Confirmed for Iranic shill ;^)

>posting a pic of Frunzik
You are probably some Kurd from former USSR ;)
Azerbaijan? Armenia? Maybe Georgia?
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>>53592377
In kie? Elnaz Shakerdoost?
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>>53592789
This
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>>53597851
Wut , I just searched for Armenian nose
>Not mentioning the topic, cause he knows he is wrong
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>>53590718
if you go back far enough, we're all african monkeys maaaaaaaan
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>>53598112
How the fuck am I wrong, autismo? Have you actually seen Ossetians? They are just another sort of caucasus mountainniggers. Nothing Iranic in them. Even one of the two of their major ethnic subgroup's name (Digor) likely comes from "Adyge".
Genetically they are native Caucasians (check the "Genetics" part of the "Ossetians" article on your beloved Wiki).
All you did was post some paragraph from Wiki that contradicts both the cited source and the "Ossetians" article and then posted "le I have more evidence!!!". Epic.
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>>53590348
We're just non-white Caucasians?

I mean, isn't Caucasian synonymous with White? Some Caucasias are lighter and some darer though. I mean, I never knew White just meant ancestry from Europe.
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>>53597986
are,ro filename neveshte dg
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>>53598742
>isn't Caucasian synonymous with White
No, it isn't. Some German scientist from the XVIII century used it that way and only Americans (not sure about other Anglos) still do.

We are CaucasOID (includes Middle Easterners, North Africans and Europeans) and only European Caucasoids are White.
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>>53598526
fugg, I misread the "Genetics" part in the "Ossetians" article, it isn't a good proof cuz it actually links a study by some Georgian guy who wants to prove that Ossetians are from Iran :D
I'll try to find something better
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>>53598990
I don't like calling European Caucasoids White. Let's just call them European Caucaoids.
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>>53598944
Mobilam esme fileharo neshoon nemide. Hamsar dari? Aghe na, chera hanooz khastegari narafti? Inja dokhtareh Iranie khoob peyda nemishe. aksaran lat shodan.. Chi kar konaaaam
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