>>53530804 >It always amazes me how slavs likes poles are always butthurt about Spain considering we have 0 historical relations. it's because we work hard to preserve white race and European culture and you are just sucking German cock for money and breeding with Moors
fuck off, LEAVE EU NOW WE DONT NEED INDEBTED SHITHOLES LIKE YOU
>>53530949 >lazy should I mention the average number of hours of work in EU? Just because you found oil and because of that you're able to afford giving everything to your people on silverware doesn't mean you work hard. I've been to norway a couple of years ago,your 11th/12th grade math is shit and too easy for our standards,your infrastructures are poorly invested for a rich country. AND YOU CAN EAT INSIDE THE CLASSROOM REEEEEEEE
>>53531233 Negro, in the future you will have intergalactic humans speaking Spanish and probably Portuguese if Brazil pulls it together, does that not make you proud? Your people are leaving permanent marks on history which is more than most cunts can say.
>>53531071 We were already the richest country in Europe just before WW2, we were rich before finding oil (just like our neighbours, we used to be on their level), we have more Fields medals and Nobel prizes in science than you (you have none) despite having like half of your population. You work a lot, but your productivity is shit and you barely innovate or conduct research. So yes, you are lazy and stupid while we aren't.
>>53531497 That's not really a fair assessment, Olaf, and I'll tell you why: our population's education wss strangled throughout the 20th century due to the dictatorship that reigned over us for 60-something years.
Most of the people aged >50 were only in school for 4 years. Going beyond the 4th grade of scholarity would be quite expensive and our impoverished populace wasn't able to get proper education to say the least. Most of the people would just hop off of school after being done with 4th grade and go work in farms and the like to sustent themselves.
TL;DR: education was virtually inaccessible for a vast majority of the population throughout most og the 20th century, which obviously held us behind greatly.
>>53531963 I'm not talking about the shitty historical claims over Uruguay. [Although their colonization was mixed too - "monte vide eu" might sound crappy nowadays, but it's clearly Portuguese, not Castillian.]
I'm talking about Paraná - most of those lands were settled firstly by Spaniards, Portuguese would arrive in Paraná's countryside far later (they were concentrated mainly in Paranaguá, the shore.)
>>53530901 They always do this alongside slovenians and czechs (sometimes croatinas). They are the only eastern europeans that insult spaniards. I've literally never seen a russian insulting us (inb4 a russian insults us ;^)).
>>53532370 we have less than that, probably 5 to 10% and mostly blacks from the former colonies and BRs, both of which have no problem assimilating The other groups are very small minorities like Ukrainians but they're not enough to cause any trouble
>>53532356 It's correct - the borderline was Ilha do Mel, most mainland Paraná was part of Nueva Toledo. Still, there were some Portuguese settlements and expeditions on the shore... and the lands were even divided between two capitanias, Santa Ana and São Vicente (mainly Santa Ana, though... São Vicente goes norther).
>>53532170 Most of the cities are dirty. It's not only Porto, and it's not only Lisbon either. Our populace is a disgrace in the eyes of modern civilization, and I seem to approach that conclusion more and more. I see no prospect for improvement in the earlier generations. Most youngsters are vane crooks idolizing literal retards they see on the cancer that is portuguese television.
I'm jumping ship ASAP. This country is doomed. We need a great government to rise again. We're on the limbo of becoming a failed state. And WE are to blame, for indulging in this "typical portuguese behavior" - a crippling disregard for efficiency and knowledge - cancer that's killing our state.
>>53532508 Fine by me but here's the rules: 1-The name should be either Iberia or Iberian Union 2-The flag should be this one. 3-The official language is both portuguese and spanish 4-The economic capital is in Madrid and the administrative(government) in Lisbon.
>>53532733 this is completely I've travelled all over the country and every other city is far from being as dirty as Lisbon and especially Porto (and maybe Braga). In fact, when I take people from these cities to any other city their first impression is always "This is so clean"
>>53532921 I mean the very concept of union - there's no reason to bow to the same government due to cultural similarities. All that "Iberian Union" and "Latin American Union" feelings might be nice, but in practice, they don't work at all.
>>53532733 >We need a great government to rise again. As if a govermnent would fix all problems. As you mentioned, a lot of problems are cultural. But I disagree that the younger generations is the biggest the problem.
>>53532902 Braga is dirty and most of the people in it (especially the retarded worthless youth) have no issue with throwing garbage on the floor.
This country and its people are literally disgusting. We might be pretty chill and all, but we have way too many retarded idiots in our midst just shittying up the country and ruining whatever prospect there is for improvement.
>>53533444 The funny thing is that we're paying negative interest to our creditors...So we're technically paying less that we received. >>53533476 Well,they are still fucking annoying desu.Everytime i go check a youtube video about anything portuguese,there's a fucking huge horde of brazilians mocking our ''accent'' and other shit in the comments Does the same happen to you?
1. No. Iberia is a Greek name. Fuck the greeks. So we keep it España, because after all it's just a derivation of Hispania. 2. That flag gave me instant Hassberger. 'No'. 3. And basque, and catacuck, and balensiano, and gallego and asturianu and etc. In varietas happy clusterfuck. 4. The economic capital already is Madrid anyway. The seat of the Government could be in some remarkable, significant place, though. I propose up in the mountain of Covadonga to commemorate original kebab removal proccess, or Olivenza for obvious reunification significance, or Gibraltar for a glorious finish of the Reconquista. Plus, we could designate Barcelona as the seat of the Ministry of Equality and LGBT Studies for the obligatory catacucklian special snowflake concession.
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