The Turkish flag is actually Byzantine flag of Constantinople
The truth is that the crescent was not identified with Islam until after the appearance of the Osmanli Turks, whilst on the other hand there is the clearest evidence that in the time of the Crusades, and long before, the crescent and star were a regular badge of Byzantium and the Byzantine Emperors, some of whom placed it on their coins. William Ridgeway, "The Origin of the Turkish Crescent",
Kaynak:in The Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland, Vol. 38 (Jul. - Dec. 1908), pp. 241-258 (p 241)
It was used by the early inhabitants of Byzantion, it also appeared from time to time during the Byzantines, but it's also a Turkic symbol, and probably some other Eurasian people. I think there were battles where both the Byzantines and Ottomans raised star-crescent flags, lel.
Good luck making any sense of that
It's not fair to call it either Byzantine or Turkish music, the Eastern Mediterranean and Levant was always interconnected like that. The Ottomans get too much credit for it in modern times though.
One thing I'd claim Turks "stole" was the Pontic "kemenche" and their dance which you still use a Greek name for.
reminder that the byzantine "Empire" had a bulgarian on the throne once
>a 20 year "empire" tries to banter a millenium empire
the crescent WITH the star is actually an ancient greek religious symbol for the goddess of magic that had a big cult in constantinople
>become independent after centuries of being the turk's fuckboy, even getting assimialted so much that only a rump greek state exists today
>actually after decades of ineptitude get your actual capital back
>loose it immideatly after
You know how the Romans did it?
They NEVER surrendered and refused to ever negotiate with enemies on THEIR SOIL.
But no, you had to be cucks.
Now you missed the opportunity and turkey needed to be invited to NATO because of the strategic important strait, which you fucked up to hold.
kün-ay, and later mihr ü mah had been a nomadic symbol since the time of Motun Khan and probably even before.
read De groot's work on Huns for Kün-ay, and Yazıcızade for Mihr ü mah.
Alternatively you can read Emel Esin's Kozmolojiye Giriş (or something like that, I can't remember for sure.)
are you stupid m8? can't u understand her enticity is disputed and repeating same shit like a parrot won't change the fact?
go ahead name me another sultan claimed to be roman eperor
Backgammon is a popular game in Turkey
and guess what, Romans' and Greeks' favorite game was backgammon. This game is still very popular in Mediterranean countries and Iran
im really fucking good at backgammon desu
Do you know why? Because Turkey is the true successor of Roman and Byzantine Empire.
The next Julius Caesar is probably growing up somewhere in Anatolia right fucking now, he may be born as a Kurd
>she was probably a serb
she was probably an italian
>this does not matter
this does matter bc no one but only an-half-italian claimed to be roman emperor.
>muh Komnenos blood
he also called himself turkic due to kayi tribe several times.
>Mehmed's claim rested with the concept that Constantinople was the seat of the Roman Empire, after the transfer of its capital to Constantinople in 330 AD and the fall of the Western Roman Empire. Mehmed also had a blood lineage to the Byzantine Imperial family; his predecessor, Sultan Orhan I had married a Byzantine princess, and Mehmed may have claimed descent from John Tzelepes Komnenos.
You can get the fuck out now. Altyaş tarihçi
>Backgammon is a popular game in Turkey
>and guess what, Romans' and Greeks' favorite game was backgammon
>The next Julius Caesar is probably growing up somewhere in Anatolia right fucking now, he may be born as a Kurd
pic related, it's him
senpai we have something like tournaments where the loser has to pay for the drinks/coffee when we go out
>he sucks at backgammon
>only italians can claim Roman heritage
>that's why you can't name me another sultan
we're talking about Mehmed II
Tartışmayı bilmiyorsun, kaynak göstermiyorsun, götten sıkıp sıkıp geliyorsun buraya bre orospu evladı kanser ettin beni burada
you chose how to utilize the rolls you get friend
backgammon is only a luck game to the plebian passer by
öff :d let me give you the pages too, illiterate kürt :D
De Groot - Die Hunnen der vorchristlichen Zeit, page 60
Esin - Türk Kozmolojisine Giriş, page 69
Don't know Yazıcızade's work page-for-page, sorry :)
Hocam bu arada eğleniyor musun bu tiradlarda?
>ignores sources once again
alr8 janitoryan. I got my lesson yesterday ;^(
>tfw the squips are KANGZ after all
>implying you provided any sources yesterday
Me on the right
Greek bros on the left
>I don't even know what the book is but I can just call it sourceless :D
yep, Turks pre-Islam didn't use pointed-stars, but they used a circle, Sun. After Islam, they started using pointed stars (6 and 8 pointed stars), and in the late times Ottomans started using 5 pointed star with the Humanist ideas, as the 5-pointed-star represented the Human.
>the german book is written in 1920s
>the other book is a turkish book
yes, very legit sources.
I show you the roman coins, sources. And you show me 2 books which don't have sources
Perhaps you're a central asian, because you're as smart as them
this mad mofo conquered carthage and italy back and was only forced to evacuate because of the justinian plague
>hititliğe gönül vermiş bir tek teshup var
ax be hellenicos kürdicos
First of all, I never even implied the Romans didn't use it, and you have to be clinically retarded to think that if Romans had a symbol, somebody else can't have a similar.
Second, if you want coins, here it is :)
And again, you are not countering any point by saying the books are sourceless. You would have to prove they are sourceless as both of the books are cited numerous times in Turkology articles.
I SUCK MOHAMMED'S 2 DEFLATED TESTICLES!
It is literally Kün-Ay, are you blind?
Oh, you are confused about Kün? It means Sun, and a Sun is what you see.
An additional information for you, so you understand better what Kün-Ay represents: The "ırk" of Light is a single circle, (sometimes filled and sometimes with a dot inside) -like 'o'- in Steppe and Chinese cosmology, as you can guess, Kün represents Light here, while Ay represents Darkness, which's "ırk" is a single line, like '_'
Wew, who would have thought people from the same area shared the same symbols of power?
>iki türkün birbiriyle ingilizce konuşması
Because Kün is a star too, A star doesn't have to be pointed. And as I told the Greek, we switched to geometrical stars because they had additional meanings, not because we gave up Kün-Ay completely (read Yazıcızade), we just changed the Star.
And, Kün Ay isn't just Crescent, are you even reading what I'm writing?
You will definitely. I am from Kastamonu, a relatively unimportant place in Anatolia save for Kastra Komnen and Pompeipolis, and literally everyone I know has came upon an old artifact at point in their life.
My grandfather is a treasure hunter, and also "muhtar", he bought half the village with the money he made from selling museums the petty stuff he found :D
I wish my name was Yorgos Konstantinos Elios Panatinaykos Dimitris Theodoros, like a real Greek.
>And, Kün Ay isn't just Crescent
but it is.
also, no turkic state ever used crescent and star in their history, but for some reason, ottomans started to use crescent and star, and guess what, it exactly looks like the byzantine crescent and star. I wonder why
Can you really not read?
Kün, the circle is a Star too.
Güneş is a star.
Güneş bir yıldızdır. Eh?
read >>53520079 and >>53520483 again.
Anyway I'm out kamal, got to leave this shithole called Ankara, even for a week.
çanak-çömlek mostly, vases, one or two coins, I don't know the exact details. I never saw him, I am telling the story others have told me.
You know, in Taşköprü, they opened a museum for Pompeipolis, the museum guy told me they took most of the artifacts from people's homes, where they were used as "soba altlığı" "süs eşyası" and stuff :D
why would you want to be greek? they don't even throw javelins at each other for sport!
spartans are a meme, don't get your history lessons from hollywood you fucking cretin
never ever, i'd rather get raped by a pack of kurds
ok, i'll give you that. flamethrowers were pretty dank
no you fucking retard spartans were just some hill billy greeks the athenians propped up to seem dangerous, they weren't any better than the other greek states in warfare
hell they got fucked up by persians, athenians, their own slaves and most importantly by a group of men that fucked each other in the ass as a hobby
fucking highschoolers on /tr/ need to fuck off back to inci god damn
they got so absolutely destroyed by the boeotians and thebans that they became irrelevant again
sure, they stayed as their own little society until the romans told them fuck off whilst rest of greece went on to unite and wage war all along the mediterrenean up to persia, but that doesn't mean much desu
nope this thread;
Cresendent and star was also used by Turkic/Turkish khaganates of Central Asia even in 7th century.
Offical name of Mamluks as a state was ''Dawla al-Turkiyya'' Literally meaning State of Turks as they were mostly Turkish slave soldiers.
>Cresendent and star was also used by Turkic/Turkish khaganates of Central Asia even in 7th century.
delusional turanist please
this has been discussed, turkics did not use crescent and star, but they used the crescent
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH, IM SERIOUYSLY BUTTHUUUURT.