Can freedomburgers explain this meme to me? Israel is only giving you bad press and not giving you much in return for your heartfelt loyalty. It cannot be for geopolitical reasons because you are already allied to the most powerful countries in the region, i.e. Turkey and Saudi Arabia. Israeli economy is not a pretty damsel to fight for either, given their high unemployment and low population. They are very good in R&D and have good universities but I find this is not enough to treat the USA as their doormat and occasionally as their favoured mercenaries. I get that you need to suck up to the Al-Sauds because of oil and stuff, but why to Israel as well?
>>53445059 Israeli lobbyist groups have a sizable amount of influence because they have a lot of money (surprise! oy vey). Evangelical politicians also believe that Jews are "Gods chosen people" and will happily serve them.
>>53445059 They remove Russians from sandland and keep leb pally and iranian dune coons under control for only $3 billion a year (historically, place went batshit and Russians came back obviously) If us tried to do the same themselves it would cost at least $12 trillion a year
>>53450193 I make zero dollars posting pro-Israeli stuff. I choose to do so because there's too many Palestinian/muslim dickriders on 4chan who cry about muh israeli war crimes! muh Gaza! even though they don't understand the conflict or the religion of islam.
>>53448901 You wouldn't know shit about Iran you Zionist rat.
I have visited that country and my picture represents the average Iranian student. If I wanted to find a cherry picked picture like you Israeli PR shills I would've used something more like PIC related.
>>53450363 >I have visited that country Surprise surprise. >I visited! I know! Numbers trump anecdotes m8.
It's not even particularly unusual. The Shah was an aberration. Nobody outside of the larger cities were happy or more secular as a result of his reforms. The Islamic Revolution really was a historic correction back to the religious durka which lay underneath.
As for what constitutes "shariah" for the 83%, pic related.
>>53450571 Then why else would you need a fucking network of PR shills on the internet, even on fucking 4chan, posting IDF whores to win over international public opinion?
I'm not Muslim by the way, but that little colonialist project called "Israel" is not sustainable and will crumble in the not so distant future.
If you're actually so retarded to think that this conflict has anything to do with religion, I would like to let you know that the PLO has been an overwhelmingly secular organisation for most of its existence and religion is not so much a motivator as is the colonisation and subsequent apartheid of Palestinian land by European Jews.
>>53450759 >let me tell you about Iran with this American data in a graph which is merely the opinion of people of whether their laws overlap with Shari'a or not.
Iran is the most progressive country in the region with higher HDI than Turkey, a complex political system, and an economy with vast potentials which has been artificially kept down by Israeli and Saudi lobbying in DC and Brussels. Non-countries don't count of course.
Israel on the other hand has had the best possible conditions it could ask for, with international Jews donating to it's cause on a monthly or yearly basis, with the leverage from Jewish bankers has preferential treatment when it comes to trade with EU, US and Canada, streaming American and European technology, and over $250 billion from big daddy USA since the start of the project.
>>53451277 >Iran is the most progressive country in the region If regressive theocracies means "progressive", okay. >with higher HDI than Turkey Along with the rest of the Gulf. Having money doesn't equate with not being a shitty country. >a complex political system Complexity isn't a determination of equity. There is no real separation of powers away from the SL. >and an economy with vast potential Yes. We've already seen what wonders they've done for global terror financing.
>Whining about Israel I don't give much of a shit about Israel, to be honest. They're like ME Singapore; nice, but irrelevant in the big picture. And like Singapore, with their own set of problems. Nowhere near as problematic as Iran, however.
It doesn't take much to dislike Iran for what it is. You're too deeply invested in your identity crisis to see it. Pic related. Do yourself a favor. Nobody actually gives that much of a shit about Iran. Durkas are a dime a dozen in the region. People are just pissed at the government funding terror. Same with the Saudis. Nobody would give a shit about them if they could get their charities under control. Just because you're Persian, it doesn't mean you need to support the worst excesses of Iranian religious idiocy. You can be Persian *without* that. It sounds crazy, I know. But as you get older, you'll learn to separate that component of your ethnic identity from an insane religious identity. Which even many Iranians, deep down, aren't completely behind.
>we are all muslims >these borders are a sham, these countries are artificial, down with Sykes-Picot >except for Palestine apparently, they are their own country and we wont accept them as refugees even though they are our brothers and borders dont exist
Even saying "Israel" is enough to cause Muslims to fly into a violent rage and that alone is reason enough to support Israel but in all reality they want a strong traditional society and that is a good thing
>>53451412 and guess who supported Hamas rise to power and gave money to the Muslim brother hood to spread there radical teachings in an effort to counter Arafat who was more a nationalist.not to mention the fact that hamas only controlls the gaza strip not the west bank.
>>53448885 >Israel >homogenous nope m8 , it is however much more homogenous then most countries , you have super religious jew serving in the army along side with ethiopians , druze people and normal israelis and many other ethnic\religious groups.
>>53444092 i dont hate it , the current israel has improved much since the one run by retards that was 6+ years ago, its still only semi-competent these days .
>>53445059 You absolute fucking dumbass. Name one other country in the Middle East that is secular, fully democratic, who's corporations happily work with American ones, are serious about fighting both terrorism and pollution. Not to mention the fact that Americas other allies in the region are untrustworthy ie Saudi Arabia, Turkey or highly unstable eg Egypt and Lebanon or also as friendly with Israel as they can be without their Arab friends taking action ie Jordan
No but seriously, I love how Amerifaggots cry about how backwards Iran is when they literally fucked Iran's shit up with their Amerimoronic foreign policy by removing a democratically elected leader for some shitty dictator whose shitty rule ended up radicalizing the population and resulted it in becoming the backwards shithole it is today. The regression of Iran as a progressive nation is literally all America's fault.
>>53464124 Wasn't American ideology and American legal system that replaced their dictator after the revolution. Some blame has to also be placed on the ideology and legal system itself and people who both put it in place and currently run it
>Israel - they try to fuck everybody over and increase the instability of arab countries, they violate human rights and shit also. Invaders, reclaiming their anicent """"homeland"""" and treating it's arab inhabitants like the shit they are. Financing muslim extremists to get muslims to fight each other, which creates more refugees.
>Arabs - act like niggers, violate human rights, want religious dictatorship and to fuck over non-muslim countries. Brain-washing their kids to get free suicide bombers and to free arab lands from jewish invaders and non-believers. Their leaders are corrupt and use the country's money to buy awesome shit for themselves.
>>53444092 No we do not hate Israel for their religion. We hate Israel for constantly trying to steal our land and killing alot of people and no one can touch them. They even use internationally forbidden weapons on us. When someone keeps trying to conquer you and killing you it is normal to hate them.
>>53467845 now if your army would do something about that fanatic terrorist group that controls half the country and bombs and kidnaps our soldiers maybe just maybe it will decrease the aggression coming from the idf
>>53468015 That terrorist group is a resistance that was born purely from the violence if Israel and their constant killing and attempts to steal more and more of our land. They would never exist in the first place if Israel never killed and conquered. Nothing will change the fact that killed us and stole our land. They deserve every bit of hatred they get. You would hate them too if your family and kids got blown to pieces infront of you by them
>>53468479 Muslims would be more similar to Jews if Muhammad stated a limit to how far they should conquest. I'd like to imagine an alternate history where the peninsula was considered a holy land and they didn't give a shit about anything outside of it. But unlike Jews Muhammad wanted the whole Earth under his god's law and sought for other Abrahmic's to reform to his new standards.
I was of the understanding that it was created as resistance to the Israeli 'safety zone' in south lebanon, where the IDF was de-facto in control and the locals were pretty much ok with it for the most part
>>53468231 why do arab countries always blame the other side and never take a look at themselves? like i get the idf does some fucked up things but when you always put the blame only on us and not on the iranian proxy controlling half of your cunt its just embarrassing. and the conquering shit is pure nonsense, the israeli army has backed up from all lebanese land and i have never heard of a plan to conquer lebanon
>>53444092 Tbf it was a horrible idea with horrible execution that should have never been done, but now that its been here for over 50 years and the current population of Israel has largely been born in Israel its hard to justify abolishing it.
It would have also been nice for Lebanon to be a christian Israel, maybe Israel would have a desert friend.
>>53468830 at least you drop a few shekels here. But I am appaled by the attitude of a waiter at a certain beach bar in Tel Aviv. Me and my brother decided to share a single beer, and even though it was expensive as fuck, we left a slight (I acknowledge the small amount) tip. The waiter was visibly discontented and lectured us how the amount of the tip was too small. We disregarded him, but there was a substantial amount of anti-semite rant afterwards.
>>53469111 Very right. I do not watch news on tv to watch my family dead again ty. I talk from experience and not from watching tv. It is funny in a sad way how most people babble and judge while they have 0 connection to reality
>>53469311 Why people always think that if they hate Israel they must be support Palestine? I'm pretty sure majority people here hate them both Just pointing out that Israel brought destabilization to mideast doesn't mean he supports Palestine
>>53469405 Do you think the Middle East was at "peace" before Israel was created? Ahmed will be Ahmeds and kill each other for minor disagreements anyway. Israel was just a little drop in the sea of snackbarism
>>53464261 Literally the only correct answer. Jews have the money and the power and so they have the means to make public opinion sway in their favour and can have any dissenting opinions be branded as anti-semitism.
As for Gaza, I have little doubt that if Hamas had the same resources to draw from that the Kikes do, then we'd have an equal fight, but that's not the way it is.
>>53469582 Yes, under Turks occupation and before they were much more peaceful than now, peaceful than Europe >Israel was just a little drop in the sea of snackbarism If you think so then why they chose ME to establish Israel? Sane man wouldn't build a camp around wolves
>>53445059 A shitskin like you has been living under a dictatorship until pretty recently so I can imagine you can't understand democracy, which Israel is, and the only ME country not imploding aside from maybe Jordan.
>>53444092 >Why does /int/ hate Israel? I don't see why anyone would. Israel is a great nation. >Is it because they are Jewish? I don't see why anyone would hate Jews. They are a great people, and fighting on the frontlines against muslims.
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