I don't want to offend anybody, but how comes South Europe is so shit compared to North Europe?
Literally since the north became civilized, it always dominated the south.
Does it have to do with culture? race? or maybe because southern people haven't seen harsh winter and never evolved the ablity to plan ahead?
why are you guys taking it so personally, i dont mean to offend you.
I realize that this is a delicate topic, but even you can't deny that south is worse than the north in pretty much every way
The euro has been designed to benefit Germany. And of course Germany decides to do what's best for Germany, not for the rest. You created a pheriphery around here because we can't take control of our own economy.
Germany destroying Europe once again.
>tfw not south, but not north either
>rfw not latino-celtic, but not germanic either.
I don't want to offend anybody, but how come North Europe is so shit compared to South Europe.
Literally since the south became civilized, it always dominated the north.
Does it have to do with culture? race? or maybe because southern people haven't seen cuckoldry and never evolved the ability to be fucked in the ass by a bbc?
only because they were in the lucky geograhical position to be the first (with portugal) to exploit the riches of Americas.
Never before or after did Spain acchieve anything worthy of notice
This, when the euro was introduced germans never complied with the deficit and debt limits. But of course, they are germans and they cannot by definition go against the law that they force in other subhuman EU nations.
I don't want to offend anybody, but how comes barbarian lands are so shit compared to Mediterranean lands?
Literally since the flames of Prometheus were bestowed upon man, the south always dominated the north.
Does it have to do with culture? race? or maybe because southern people haven't seen the light of civilization and never evolved the ablity to plan ahead?
2000 years? u wot? If anything the mediterranean were on the top since 10,000 BC to 1640 AD. And this just a hiatus, the syirians you imported will destroy your nations ending the germanic race existence.
My personal theory is that civilization first started in Mediterranean lands because it is far easier to do agriculture there.
However, once civilization spread to northen lands, northen Europe became immidately dominant because the harsh northen winter gave them an ability the southernes are lacking: the ability to plan ahead
The souhtern man lives in the present day, he likes to party and celebrate and is blissfully unaware of the future. To him, the idea of putting back money for bad times simply makes no sense, he is simply biologically not able to plan.
>Never before or after did Spain acchieve anything worthy of notice
Gee, maybe because Spain didn't fucking exist 20 years before discovering the Americas?
And the empire ended around 1900, before the world wars (cause by oh boy, your country), our post WWII-Franco history was not bad at all. We are just experiencing terrible times since this 2008 Recession because the Euro made us a pheripheric zone that can not defend itself from the central majority's TERRIBLE leadership. (omg refugees welcomeee)
We have good life expectancy and education, we have a developed society all shitposting aside, we had one of the best countries in Europe before this recession.
I can't speak for everyone but Greece really does have a cultural issue. We always blame the others, we demonize the Americans and the Germans and at the same time we vote for parties that want to increase public spending in an unsustainable way. If we don't get rid of our retarded patriotism we'll never be able to become a healthy country.
Also I don't believe in the North/South divide. Bulgaria is doing pretty fucking well and Ireland has been in a good shape ever since they recovered. Then Germany has it's share of scandals with VW being the most recent one.
You guys are ridden with corruption as well, but our media is way more critic about it, that's why you hear about it more over here. We have a culture of facing things directly while you northerners are sneaky and falsely polite trying to create an "everything-is-fine" reality (see: the brits) that is starting to show that is not true when faced with an actual crisis like the one with the refugees (just take a look at the fucking disaster that was the Köln case)
scandinavian, slav and mongol people never acomplished anything because it was settled by people from Africa, therefore it was all done by africans
africa was settled by monkeys...
I honestly think it's very concerning how secretive their media is about this whole refugee things.
Openly not reporting on scandals like these because "it'll give fuel to right wing ideology" is fucking disgusting as fuck.
So much for "society free of corruption"
Hell in Sweden the police openly admitted they didn't want to report because it would give more votes to SD. All of the other parties in their parliament entered in a union just to cockblock SD. If that isn't corruption I don't know what is.
In economy, for starters
And I agree, southern Europe has nice weather and their people really know how to party, but when it comes to work, they are in dire need of benevolent yet stern northern leadership
Germany was the most interested one in giving money to Spain.
You know what? Fuck you. I hope refugees rape everything here. I'm tired of fucking northerns.
GERMAN WOMEN ARE WAITING.
ALL THIS LAND IS FREE TO TAKE.
Surely every county has some amount of corruption, but if you really believe the corruption in the north and south are even on a comparable level, you must be pretty detached from reality
and what about you, germany?
until 1914 (1WW) you were an irrelevant shithole in the european history, dont care a shit about you.
you make 2 world wars and you lose , its all your historical sucess.where were you when france, spain or UK make their empires and conquer the world?
i dont understand your superior complex, desu.
>are even on a comparable level
>Dozens of party members paid their spouses, children and parents to work as assistants. Some hired wives to run their “home office.” One lawmaker hired his teenage sons to keep up his computers.
I have to admit germcucks are more imaginative.
I am in fact shitposting during work time, which means I'll have to finish at 8 tonight at this fucking rate.
ps, definition of work: activity that you do regularly especially in order to earn money
>gf just got bangraped by Mohammed, the refugee I had to take into my home
>best thing is to shitpost about Meds
I understand that the carefree spanish man doesn't often think about matters like financial responsiblity, but you surely must realize that only because of the hard work of northen people, you are able to continue your comfortable lifestyle, full of siesta and fiesta.
I dont expect much gratitude, but not calling us cucks would be nice
2bh I was just making bantz. I'm not sure about the german; they're after all a strange mix of self-hate, bipolar disorder and pretty much the whole rainbow of the autistic spectrum
OP is trying to peddle a lie.
In fact, Spain has been historically MORE fiscally responsible than the likes of Germany. Some people have VERY short term memories. They don't remember how it was GERMANY breaking the EU borrowing rules before the financial crisis. Now the southern countries are in trouble, people are acting like they've always been irresponsible. It's disgusting.
>vote for Merkel
>call PEGIDA racist nazis
>send my daughter to help refugee camps
>she never returns
>"maybe I wasn't tolerant enough"
>call Sweden to ask for tolerance tips
>"you see, you have to go yourself, one little girl isn't enough for 2MILLION Muslims!"
>I finally understand, thanks northern friend
>go with my wife and son to donate money and suck Muslim cock myself
>I feel so culturally enriched, this is the flavor of civilization
>in my rest time I visit /int/ to complain about intolerant meds
>surviving in a cold environment requires more intelligence.
Yeah, the intelligence needed to go to the government centre to get your autismbux every month. What a cunning northerner managing to survive once again by pure wits.
Government debt, to underline my point. Although this thread is going so fast I doubt anyone will see these charts
There was this german girl that asked me where do we hide the sun. She went to Galicia during winter. But to be fair it was a rainer winter than usual. You can't blame them when all they know it's a 500 mts. strip of the mediterranean coast.
Daily reminder no. 3
It's the IMF WEO of April 2015, accessed via google's explorer
You can find World Bank and other data there as well
Why isn't Egypt relevant anymore?
Well, millions of years ago, people living in north didn't have that you turd. They needed to figure out a way to keep themselves warm, bc they no longer lived in Africa. Therefor, their brain grew more intelligent.
I mean we get it, you're all more relevant than us nowadays
But it doesn't really matter when you're throwing all the hard work through the sink, your demographics will be absolutely fucked in 50 years and northern europe's culture will virtually cease to exist to become a strange blob made out of foreign cultures and religions.
And even with that in mind, we still have less crime, a higher lifespan and a healthier style of life.
>Ruled by Russian invaders for a long time
>Quickly crawled to EU to help them be less poor
>Still have a problematic Russian population
Seems like they're pretty cuck to me.
Well, the German debt levels weren't that bad, but Spain was much better. The thing is the Southern Med countries got in trouble for different reasons. With Greece it was government and public sector fuckups mainly, but Spain has been generally well-run, in fact it was your private sector (construction/property mainly) which got you in trouble. It's more complex than people pretend, and other course it's nothing to do with laziness.
Pretty much every achievement of Northern Europe can be attributed to Jews.
The average Northern Europe is a mediocre ugly tall cuckold.
Spain has been paying EVERYTHING. And that has been terrible for our population, you don't really know how painful it has been for people who didn't deserve to fall into the Germany-Jew trap of money.
But unlike Greece we've still paid EVRYTHING.
>>a million years ago
Picasso was literally around to see the bombing of Guernica... Obviously a million years ago.
Btw, did you know there's a Dutch forger that forged paintings in Picasso's (among others) style, and then allegedly had them authenticated by Picasso himself who was unable to distuinguish the forgeries from his own work? Kind of a cool story..
I love you too lads :D
Ah, there he is, from the country that doesnt know infrastructure or spatial planning, akak the back stabbing nonce capital of the world, Belgium. With a stunning new insight: it's da joos!
>being retarded on purpose
>lol y u so butthurt
kill yourself irrelevant fuck
Funny you'd say that, it's not like we're basically any close to you guys, right?
I have zero debt. People with debt were mostly old grandpas and poor people who did not how finance works. Banks came here and pretty much forced their hands to sign huge loans, saying eevrything will be alright. I lived it, I saw it because I work in the sector. They were making contracts with people who didn't understand what they were doing.
It's almost like we're saving for a rainy day.
I don't know all the details of your sort-of-bailout (it wasn't a proper bailout), but if your banks are in trouble and they're big enough to kill the rest of the economy if they fail, then they need to bailed out. Which means you have to convert the debt into public debt.
We had the same. RBS was almost completely nationalised and Lloyds was 25% nationalised, or something. Northern Rock went bust too.
I'm talking about Homo Sapiens.
>I really doubt that the hut-building genes have lived on until today.
You're right, but the skill was past on by our ancestors and we learned to utilize it more efficiently. Are you actually saying that surviving in a cold environment doesn't not require any more intelligence than surviving in a warm one?
There's a pretty big difference between the Netherlands and Spain.
But I think the real way to measure productivity is by this:
we have the lowest birthrates precisely because we plan ahead and are not sure if we can support the children.
Meanwhile, the carefree southerner lives the day and fucks, not thinking about how he is gonna pay for the resulting children
>Germanics are smarter because they had to plan for the winter
But what if all the smart people in ancient times realized that it's warmer/more comfortable down south and moved there so they could spend their time building civilization instead of running around in the forest wearing an animal skin and asking the forest spirits to provide for them? Only the dumb people would have stayed up north.
Latinoamerica is under USA's Empire. They aren't free to choice their economic policies either because if it bothers the White House they get intervention. The only way to fight that is fucking populism which is even worse. Latin America is even more fucked.
The Inuit had plenty of war too. The word Eskimo is actually somewhat offensive to them because it basically means they're savages in the language of the other natives further south.
Actually we should have defaulted in 2008. The "help" from Germoney just turned us in a german proctetorate. Would have been fun to see the german and french banks stuggle to survive after that. But sadly we always had weak politicians. FFS, they even changed the Constitution to please Merkel.
>"they must be richer than us! lel"
>we are much closer to you than you actually believe, and higher than Germany, Austria, Sweden and Denmark
>"I only meant pension!"
Yeah, being rich and having the government invest in pensions is the same.
Also, your graph puts us in front of Germany again, but I don't think you see the irony.
It requires different techniques to use the environment to your benefit, but no more intelligence. As someone said before ITT, Inuits and Siberian nomads should be the smartest people in the world then.
>The Inuit had plenty of war too
The dumbest people on earth are Africans because they had everything given to them by nature's bounty. Europeans are moderately smart because they had to struggle to survive and northerners are the smartest because all the stupid people died off long, long ago.
It's simple. The south knows how to enjoy life, and the north has a stick up their collective ass. I mean, would you still play forklift simulators after work if you were surrounded by beaches, beautiful women and some of the best cuisine in the world?
>because we plan ahead and are not sure if we can support the children
Fuck off, robot. You don't fuck because Germany is a depressing shithole. Even the Turks stopped fucking, that's why Angela is so welcoming. An aging population is bad for business, which is all you have after beer. Your planning ahead did wonders in New years eve.
>20.000 is a pretty big difference
>talks about productivity when the graph talks about wealth
Being the most important port in Europe and having such a small difference to a country in a huge crisis is pretty pathetic.
A default has many negative effects though. Higher borrowing rates in the future (people are scared to lend to you) would be very damaging. And leaving the Euro would hurt your pensioners a lot because your new currency would be much weaker.
What I'm trying to say is that, Germany or no Germany, bailing out your banks was probably the right thing to do. The PROCESS and CONDITIONS may have been unfair, but bailout was likely the least harmful thing to do.
We had no outside pressure from the Eurozone/Germany/whatever, but we bailed them out anyway, because letting them go bust would have been catastrophic
ITT: Europeans still thinking they are "smart" when in fact almost everything was invented or discovered by Jews
>But the country is already breaking apart and you probably won't see the Spanish flag anymore.
What will Spain break into? Catalonia v rest, or will all regions disintergrate?
I'll take that as a yes :D
Which numerous studies have shown are genetically closer to Southern Europeans than to Northern Europeans.
And coming up with new techniques is not about being intelligent and inventive?
>ITT, Inuits and Siberian nomads should be the smartest people in the world then.
Sure is a nice strawman you've got there
No, is about adapting to your environment in a logical way, it's more instinct and trial-and-error than intelligence.
well they managed to live in the most harsh
climate conditions so...
>That's because you are
I take it you cannot read graphs, because, holy shit, that's some next level illiteracy.
>One of the best countries
Funny, specially taking into consideration that Spain is the retirement heaven, not the Netherlands.
>And we'll stay that way for centuries to come.
Expect for when the sea eats you whole.
It's not a strawman. The theory put forward is that cold winters force you to plan ahead, which is a selective pressure on intelligence. The Inuit have lived in an extremely cold environment for at least as long as northern Europeans (they migrated to America a few thousand years ago, but they came from Siberia which is also cold). They should be equally intelligent or at least close. Greenland/Nunavut/northern Alaska aren't exactly as developed as northern Europe by the standards being used in this thread...
Well they couldn't afford to leave if they wanted to, that's what I'm saying. Anyway that's just one bad effect. A default is horrible you don't want that.
Lel. You're a western democracy m8 you're signed up to all the human rights stuff, you can't do that shit. You should be able to deport people though, imo
>Niggers go up
>WTF SUDDEN UNTERMENSCH!!!! Y U LET THEM IN!!?!??!?!?!
>kill niggers so dthey don't come (animals only understand brutality)
>WTF SUDEN UNTERMENSCH Y U MEANIE TO INVADER?!?!?!?!?!?!
>refugees storm nordicks
>WTF SUDEN UNTERMENSCH UND SLAV UNTERMENSCH SAVE US!?!!!!!!
Worse than spain.
Spain is an african country.
Your "white" country is worse than one of the top 5 worst african countries, you're not a country senpai. Literally, spain exist to divine countries and non-countries.
>Spain is the retirement heaven
Because it's one of the poorest, and thus inexpensive EU states m8..
>Not the Netherlands
No. You'd be a retard to buy a vacation home here.. Housing prices are extremly high, and we don't get much sun.
>Expect for when the sea eats you whole.
Kek. Still mad the water drove you out in the 80 years war?
>Because it's one of the poorest, and thus inexpensive EU states m8..
Also (had) great social security, warm, nice in general, good food, etc...
Also it'd be better for rich people if it wasn't EU since our money would be weaker and hence even cheaper.
Did you even bother looking at the "Net median wealth" part? Like, the whole point of the image?
Oh, no doubt, never said otherwise, that's not even what I was arguing about. But considering old people heavily outnumber young people in Spain, I'm pretty sure I won't be in the same position as current pensionists.
Kek. Keep it up.. You don't come across as an imbecile or anything, don't worry.
Yes, vague claims.
>almost everything was invented or discovered by Jews
Not very specific m8.
Basically in the ancient times places like Italy and Greece were the center of the world,that's because the whole Mediterranean was united by the same culture,then Barbarians became civilized and Middle easterners created Islam,so southern Europe from the center of the world became the periphery of the European world
At some point those who were the Barbarians upgraded even more with Protestantism,this made them emancipated from Catholic cancer
As for Scandinavia is different,they could take all the advancements coming from south and apply them peacefully due to small population + isolation (nobody ever wanted to conquer their cold lands,this made them homogeneous and united)
the euro mafias own a lot of real estate in the netherlands and belgium
they use it as a base to merchandise drugs
the material arrives from the netherlands thanks to less strict drug laws, but it's imported in too big quantities.
both belgian and dutch governments don't give a shit about this.
btw i'm not taking """insults""" from 4chan NEETs who use economy as an indicator of corruption
>Because it's one of the poorest, and thus inexpensive EU states m8..
Wow, now you are purposely forgetting the weather, the people, the culture, the world heritage, the health care system run by the greatest medicine in the world -which is being taken advantage by Nord/Germ scum and not being paid for.
Why do you like saying have truths? Does it hurt your feelings knowing that life here is much better than up there?
No shit, that's what I meant, as in: Spain is so desired that even the people from the "superior" Germn/Nord countries come here to retire.
Fun fact: Spanish retirees stay in Spain too.
Germany is literally the shittiest european country now, i would rather live in albania
Not at all. You need to take a logic course, you barbarian. It's a historical fact that Catholics persecuted or drove Jews away (or they tried to assimilate them into their populations, forcing them to convert to Catholicism). Protestant countries "tolerated" Jews and let them "rot" and thrive in their ghettos, giving Jews the opportunity to dominate intellectually and financially. The brains of Europe, literally.
Why are Germans on this board so fucking ignorant?
Dutch people don't live in flats. We're not Spain.
I don't know where he lives but if he is not in Madrid or other expensive cities like Barcelona or Bilbao he could save at least half of that money every month.
And well, if he still living with his parents, well, just imagine, it's basically all savings.
that actually provoked a shitstorm of massive proportions.
also stop acting like you're from the same cloth as North Europe, you're dirt poor slavs who should be kicked out of the eu
Germany plus scandinavia doesn't account for the majority of scientific achievements (which isn't the same thing as dominating, but I'll grant you that), I'm sorry.
Scandinavia is literally "sorry, who?" for most of recorded history.
I'm not. I'm well aware of our corrupt eastern nature. I just dislike and feel great contempt for faggots with delusions of superiority like you, or OP, or the rapist immigrants.
sure, don't you know about mayor Grinch?
è una bufala de "la nazione"
Sorry but Germanics invented the modern world.
The UK is actually more Germanic than Germany.
Anglos (often of Jewish or East Asian descent) and people of Jewish descent invented the modern world, and perhaps the French (not always "pure" ethnic French but that's irrelevant) played an important role as well. Germanic peoples as a whole on the other hand certainly not.
First, you included britain, which I didn't mention.
Second, list of swedish inventors feels like we wuz kings and shiet. No, I'm sorry, swedish contributions to the world were minimal. They literally had to invent a prize so that they could award it to themselves.
If you put germany plus england you don't make the majority of contributions to the west. A great percentage, sure. The biggest percentage made by just two countries? Yeah, fine. Not the majority.
I'm feeling just fine, you seem a little bit rustled though.
MUH TUNDRA TRIBES FLINGING ROCKS AT EACH OTHER
MUH RUSSIAN RAPEBABBY HERITAGE
I understand Germans and Anglos posting here, they're important after all and it's difficult to decide if they're better than the Southerners or not.
Seriously if you think you're relevant anyhow you're delusional.
The Frankish tribes came from the Netherlands, Germany and later Belgium. That France named itself after them doesn't change a thing.
Plus the USA is a nation of migrants. Not a nation of native Americans. So arguably they are less American than a country like Peru.
You're fucking retarded.
Scandinavia is where all Germanics originate from.
But native Americans don't identify as American. They identify as Navajo/Haudenosaunee/etc etc. And I guess you have a point about France, but a more apt comparison would be that the French are the most French people. Some border town in Spain that has their haplogroup in a higher percentage by chance wouldn't be more French than Spanish.
Italy is so relevant and well off that this morning an Italian waiter served me food, he's here due to the wonderful conditions of Italy where no one lives with the moms and there are jobs for everyone.
Never said that we were relevant.
But your delusions of being the centre of everything are just too fucking funny.
Wake up from your siesta, it's not 15th century any more.
I wasn't talking about Scatalans, any town would do. Anyways, assuming that Y-DNA is in fact referring to haplogroups, Poland and Pakistan should be the same because they have the same haplogroup. It's just not an accurate way to designate identities.
Sorry, I forgot the footnote. The minidisc was a popular music storage device made by honorary dutchies the japanese, after they felt the compact disc was too big for their little genitals.
I agree Holland is great and it's made great by the exceptional people of Dutch descent.
>Germans are by definition the most Germanic
>This is coming from the country where men live with mothers until they're 30
You can't make this shit up
We discovered bacteria.
Pretty much made the current economic model. We invented multinationals and the stock market. John Locke worked on his books from here.
First modern republic that inspired revolutions like the American and French one. As we rejected the divine right of kings.
The American government model is based on ours.
Even now modern policies from us get stolen by countries across the world.
Plus we were a colonial power. The sole trader of Japan for centuries. New York, South Africa, Indonesia.
We were the reason the British empire took off after we conquered them and our businesses moved to London.
That's the vibe you give off in this thread, and all the other times when a North vs South Europe threads are made. You keep chanting your achievements that were relevant 6 centuries ago at best and usually go to the times before the birth of Christ.
>germanic people are literally proud of their lack of family values
That's one of the reasons why your societies are disintegrating, in contrast to Jewish, East Asian and - dare I say - even Arab ones.
kek, because the Northerers don't have a massive superiority complex?
/int/ has just a huge hardon for Northern Europe so there's always people from irrelevant non-germanic shitholes like you that just like to jump on their bandwagon and try to show off with their """banter""" against us for some sort of internet validation, it's truly pathetic.
sorry if we talk back tho and this makes you upset though.
They have a reason to feel superior.
If we go by your logic and start comparing millennium old achievements, then Africans are the obvious materrace. They discovered fire and invented the wheel. Fuck, that's the place where our whole species started. Without Africa we wouldn't even exist right now.
>are you sure about that?
Has Britain invited the entirety of the Middle East and N. Africa to live inside its borders?
Did Britain accept 1 million refugees last year?
Is Britain expected to accept another 10 million?
Will we be giving every one of those refugees passports to travel freely throughout Europe?
So what, you define an arbitrary cutoff where you cannot be proud of your ancestor achievement? Say 4 centuries to 50 years ago?
I don't get it, either you consider your history or you don't. I mean, nobody even tries to lessen northen europe achievements, but for some reason if some of us is proud of something he's a complete tool?
A bit overstated, but with a core of truth to it. The problem of the West is that we have developed strong empathy for others, ranging from a responsibility for the supposed weaker, to feelings of "d'aaww"one might have for a pet.
In any case, this empathy is more or less absent in semites (jews, arabs), except for their own kind (up to certain limits). Long story. I'll go back to /pol/ now.