Why did Africa never have any civilizations?

THEY

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>>53397692
>>53397686
Not funny

RAPE

>>53397661
Depends what you mean by civilization. They had empires, nothing on the scale of the big civilizations but they didn't just live in huts the entire time if that's what you thought

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>>53397726
>but they didn't just live in huts the entire time

They also had big huts

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>>53397661

Neither Americas

>>53397661
Because they were isolated and Africa is a shitty place to live

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>>53397797
What?

>>53397845

The Americas is a God-Tier place to live and Native Americans were pathetic

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>>53397797

>>53397661
There's a good video on youtube explaining how most of Europe would probably be Africa tier today if the Roman Empire and especially Christianity hadn't taken over the landmass.

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>>53397782
they had this, which while made out of mud is clearly not a hut

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>>53397883

WOW PYRAMIDS!!!

Even Sudan has Pyramids.

>>53397884
They were pretty impressive.
North America less so but they had neat shit.

>>53397953
>1907

It's our fault ofc. If Europe hadn't intervened in Africa, there would be flying cars and shit like that.

>>53397884
They had some pretty good stuff. And they too were isolated

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>>53397981

>They were pretty impressive
>impressive
>Native Americans

>>53398055
no need to be buttblasted about it senpai

>>53397954
Pyramids are more impressive than you'd think. Everybody can stack stones on top of each other, what's impressive is the level of social organization is shows the people who built them had. It requires a form of government, organized religion, specialization of labor, enough surplus being produced to finance such a project, etc etc. People that built monumental structures like pyramids had complex social organizations.

>>53398195

Buttblasted about what? Native Americans are Africa-tier

>>53398230
Considering the amount of time they had agriculture (it spread of mesoamerica because crops had to be cultivated for the colder climate in north America like how agriculture spread from the middle East to Europe) and the environment they were in, they were definitely not Africa tier.

>>53398230
>Africa
To some extend yea, but for a isolated group of people from the rest of the world, they did okay

Ethiopia

>>53398289
Also native Americans are genetically very close to Asians, idk why people would think they're subhuman if Asians are "model minorities".

>>53398342
What about it?

>>53398230
The Aztecs were a full on empire on the level of like ancient Rome.

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>>53397884
So is Earth, earthlings are fucking pathetic.

Why is this question asked on almost every board?

>>53398356
Ethiopia

>>53398356
Must've been an alright place if no Europeans decided to take it
Then again it could've just been a shithole. But then again they took the Sahara

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>>53397953
>what are you doing nigger

>>53397915
How about you post the video then

>>53398359
wew lad

>>53398397
because of the obvious edgy implication

who have the fixed map of africa ?

>>53398359

Top kek.

>>53398442
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM9Wk3MMtVg

I somehow forgot to post the link, sorry

>>53398359
>Chicano detected

WE

>>53398646
Shut up

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>>53397883

Native American buildings aren't impressive, even nigger Africa has pyramids and places like Machu Picchu

>>53398359
Apples and oranges. Societies don't develop on a linear path, you could say pre Columbian American societies were in a different tech tree than old worlders.

>>53398664
WUZ

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>>53398695
STRANGERS

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>>53398664
Kingz

It's been proven in studies that people work most efficiently at around 13 c.

It's very hot in africa, that makes people inefficient and lazy.

>>53398757
post studies please, I'm interested

>>53397953
>HOL UP

>>53398757

The most "advanced" Native Americans lived in hot places.

The Native Americans from cold places were basically Congo tier.

>>53398757
The average temp in my city is 12°. Shit, that explains why I am so lazy.

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>>53397661
Ethiopa and West Africa had civilizations. Even goddamn Central Africa, with Great Zimbabwe and the surprisingly sophisticated Kongo kingdom.

Seriously, look into West African history. There was a lot more going on than you'd expect.

>>53398924
>sophisticated Kongo kingdom.

Exmaples

>>53398668
Someone's defensive...

Also Machu Picchu is impressive because it survived in a region prone to landslides and earthquakes for 400 years without maintenance. The people that built it actually studied the hydrology of the region and did a lot of engineering to keep the foundation if the structure steady and carry the water away. It was constructed out of stone on top of some of the highest mountains in the world without the horses/donkeys/etc or even the wheel. Also, we'll never know what most a lot of Inca buildings were like. The Spanish destroyed buildings with religious significance, which most monumental structures did, so Machu Picchu managed to luck out and be forgotten about right before the Spanish showed up, it is only a glimpse of what the rest of the empire might have been like.

>>53398924

I think only Australia is worst than The Americas, historically speaking about civilizations.

>>53397988
>1907 reconstruction of an identical 14th cenutry mosque which had fallen into disrepair

>>53398924
West Africa has been hugely influented by Arab culture and slave trade.

>>53398979

Iberians too. This is why they go to the sea.

>>53398962

>Someone's defensive...

Defensive about what? Just 1000 spaniards destroyed Macchu Picchu in one day.

>>53398818
Because those climates are ideal for inventing agriculture, and you need to have that before you can have complex civilizations. If you follow the spread of agriculture out of central America, the native American civilizations gradually become more advanced the longer they had agriculture. So the American northeast was the least advanced and it gradually became more advanced towards the Mississippi river and American southwest then south into Mexico and central America.

>>53399013
Iberia has been part of the Roman Empire and has been christianized before though, the civilizational bases were there. They reached their first cultural height during the Muslim era though, you're right there.

>>53399075
I implied you were defensive about Africa. Also it was 1000 Spaniards with native allies.

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>>53398967


>I think only Australia is worst than The Americas


Too bad this is true.

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>>53397661
Medieval West Africans had iron weapons, agriculture, sophisticated bronze metallurgy, adobe architecture, organized kingdoms, domesticated animals, and established trade networks and mineral industries.

If that's not a civilization, I don't know what is.

>>53399075
Wasn't machu pichu found abandoned

>>53399199
Yes, which is why it survived. Being that it had religious significance, the Spanish probably would have used the blocks it was made out of to build churches or something if they found it.

>>53398952
I unfortunately don't have time to greentext about Kongo, but I'd encourage everybody in this thread to check out the Missione Evangelica by Giovanni Cavazzi, a 17th century monk

http://www.bu.edu/afam/faculty/john-thornton/john-thorntons-african-texts/

The long and short is that the Kongo was a confederate meritocracy very similar to pre-Norman England, with a strong rule of law and pretty impressive institutions for an illiterate society. Much like medieval Europe, power was exerted through the use of wooden castles or fortified towns, and despite constant court intrigue and even civil war, the strong institutions of Kongo allowed the kingdom to largely retain its borders until the 19th century.

>>53398420

Italy tried and got BTFO, only European power to actually fail to get a foothold in Africa. So Mussolini sent the entire army there as soon as he got power to make up for the humiliation.

Besides Italy, yes, Ethiopia has a pretty extensive history. Rastafarians believe the king is Jesus I think.

>>53397797

Man it's frustrating. We have all climates, all vegetations and not a single decent empire.

We always will be mutts or muh heritage with no identidy or history.

>>53399267

God the Spanish were such fucking assholes. Why couldn't they foresee the immense historical significance of what they were destroying?

>>53398967
holy shit did this brazilian nigger get bullied by some natives or what, the butthurt is strong in this one

>>53400473

Butthurt about what? You are the butthurt here because I'm bullying Native Americans.

>>53398979
Just as Northwestern Europe has been hugely influenced by Roman culture and imperialism.

No society exists in a vaccuum. Even "uncontacted" peoples have been genetically and culturally influenced by surrounding cultures, through indirect contact.

>>53400473

It's not our fault some Spanish speaking countries are like 80% injun and get butthurt.

>>53398359
>Aztecs
>thought spaniards were gods
>full on empire

aztecs were and still are cuckolds

>>53400624
see >>53397915

>>53400548
if you unironically say subsaharan africa had empires of the same level as the incas, mayas and aztecs then you obviously have other motives than talking objectively about history

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You cant build civilization with horsebagina that spews water

>>53400825

>if you unironically say subsaharan africa had empires of the same level as the incas, mayas and aztecs

Why are you talking if they were God-tier empires? Even Indonesia had more impressive buildings.

You only say that because you probably is a mestizo. But Africa has many buildings like that, especially the areas influenced by arabs.

I'm not defending Africa or anything, but there is nothing SO impressive about Native American empires.

>>53400842
based machine jew

>>53399190
wel OP was dumb
Subsaharian Africa did have and STILL has civilizations, just not ADVANCED civilizations like aztecs and chinese and babylonians etc.
everytime a culture creates a particular set of tools in order to survive, there's civilization already. mud huts count

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>>53401143

>aztecs and chinese and babylonians

You are comparing Aztecs with Chinese and Babylonians? Really?

Pyramids are very primitive buildings. They are below Southeast Asia.

>>53400980
> Even Indonesia had more impressive buildings.
yes thats right, we aren't talking about indonesia though

>You only say that because you probably is a mestizo
Im from northern mexico and i hate the natives down south with a passion, but even i have to admit they have a richer history than africa

>areas influenced by arabs
Then you have to ask yourself whether you can call empires like that truly african, or rather arab in culture.
The culture brought by spaniards over here adopted by the natives isn't seen as native american culture either

>>53397661
Climate unpropice to human development and isolation

>>53401255

>but even I have to admit they have a richer history than africa

Sacrifices, cannibalism, hunting with bows. Very impressive.

>that truly african

That's stupid, Roman and Iberian civilizations were never 100% European.

>>53397953
Litterally my isolated European ancestors did better with fewer resources 2500 years before that

>>53401489
>sardinians
>isolated

I don't get why europeans shit on the africans for their lack of civilization when civilization NEVER developed independently anywhere in europe.
Stupid snowniggers thinking they're in the the same category as china, mesopotamia, mesoamerica, etc

>>53401623
They did had contacts with continental Europe and the Levant but it was way harder back then to travel by sea

>>53402146
Historically, the Mediterranean has been a channel more than a barrier. It was much easier to sail from Egypt to Sardinia than to walk from Egypt to Nigeria

>>53402125
>china
>developed independently

>>53402279
Yes it did is there a problem with what I said

>>53402312
the problem is that you're completely wrong. go wiki it, i can't say i care to debate facts.

>>53402452
I don't understand what you are referring to.
Civilization did develop independently along the yellow river

>>53401216
nah there are """"proofs"""" that they could perform surgeries and do precise astronomical calculations. if that's not advanced, i don't know what it is

also i noticed that you complained about South Amercan injuns and everyone immediately assumed "the incas". they really don't know about the eastern part

>>53402146
>hard to travel through the mediterranean
It never was

>>53402992
It was certainly risky during the bronze age, have you ever heard of the Odyssey?

>>53403041
Risky doesn't mean hard. At the same time, greek and phoenicians were colonizing all around the sea.

>>53397661
>Why did Africa never have any civilizations?
only white people can ask this stupid and ignorant questions

how come germanics didnt have civilization before the romans?

White people stole civilization from Africans. Prove me wrong.

Protip: You can't

>>53403379
Because white people are inferior to people with olive skin.

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>>53397661

If you transfer the population of Angola to Japan and the population of Japan to Angola, what do you think will happen?

>>53397661
Muh zulu's though

>>53403568
You mean right now or back then?
That's a pretty shitty question Tbh.

>>53403608
>crazed naked people with sticks
>civilization
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1csr0dxalpI

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>>53403688
>back then
Back when?

>silly question
No it isn't. If you transfer Africans into Detroit and Europeans out of Detroit, what will happen? Wait...

>>53403568
Based Ibn Khaldoun
>Reminder that he considered arabs as savage too

>>53403041
Nowhere near as risky as crossing the fucking Sahara

>>53404070
Crossing Sahara wasn't risky it was just suicide.
At the time carthaginians commerced with west african by sea.

>>53403328
>the same time
>bronze age

>>53403742
This map is total bullshit.

>>53403568
Who knows. I'd guess that things wouldn't be too different, although the ancient Japanese would need to develop darker skin to avoid widespread skin cancer

>>53403742
DESU this map kind of shows that intelligence is NOT fully genetic

If East Asians and Native Americans are genetically so similar, why would they differ so vastly by IQ? Same with the South Chinese and Southeast Asians.

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>>53408107
>If East Asians and Native Americans are genetically so similar
They're not.

>>53408107
>NOT fully genetic
BTW, there is absolutely nobody who claims IQ is *fully* genetic.

They had, but you westerner got rid of it.
You Westerner took a lot of young men away, so they couldn't afford to maintain their civilization.
It's your fault, you Westerner.

>>53408231
You haven't been to /pol/

>>53397954

>couple of decrepit pyramids the same as structures that still stand today complete with aqueducts, courtyards, and living space

Just kill yourself already

>>53408774
An Italian bombed them in search for treasure.

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>>53398359
Really nigga?