>>53379147 Ottomans gradually declined but their lands weren't fucking conquered and assimilated by another culture.
>entire Anatolia is full Muslim and Turkish >CONSTANTINOPLE is a Muslim city called "Istanbul" >Hagia Sophia, symbol of Orthodox Christianity and Byzantine Empire, became a fucking mosque EVERY empire will fall. But most of empires atleast manage to leave some legacy. Turkey right now is a regional power, nothing comparable to Ottomans but 10x better than cuckhole Greece which was conquered and subjugated by Ottomans, and now even if free is just a completely irrelevant shithole in Southern Europe.
Istanbul/Constantinople - the capital of Ottoman Empire stays Turkish and it's still the largest city in Europe and one of the most relevant.
>>53380318 Like which ones like Hagia Sophia? And that's all? Except for some minor churches and monasteries? Byzantine "Empire" didn't even have money to maintain their own buildings - Constantinople was a ruin when Ottomans took it over, even Hagia Sophia was kind of neglected..
>>53380621 I'm not here to educate you do your research yourself or better yet go see them in person
> didn't even have money to maintain their own buildings that's because the Ottoman conquest was stretched out over a long period and the battles during that time + the previous wars and plundering by the crusaders had already ruined the country
>>53380916 >I'm not here to educate you do your research yourself or better yet go see them in person no lmao you are the one who is claming that half of Turkey's attractions were built by the Byzantines
also doesn't matter if built by the Byzantines if it's a mosque >>53380916 >that's because i don't give a single fuck why, they were piss poor, they were already backward compared to Islamic World in 8th century, they didn't leave anything of importance for us too
the only thing they left is Orthodox Christianity and icons which is completely irrelevant for non Orthodox
there was absolutely no scientific progress in Byzantine "Empire, their political system was archaic, their military became a laughing stock, their "art" and "architecture" was so shit that only poor piss barbaric Eastern Europeans were kind of inspired by it
>>53380982 Ireland (the island) consists of the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. By referring to Britain and Ireland as islands, he's covering England, Scotland. Wales, NI, RoI. Did you really need that explained?
Of course it makes no sense as both countries on this island have fuck all Muslims.
>>53381348 >there was absolutely no scientific progress in Byzantine "Empire, their political system was archaic, their military became a laughing stock, their "art" and "architecture" was so shit that only poor piss barbaric Eastern Europeans were >kind of inspired by it
Incorrect. The ERE prospered and resisted for so long because they were the top scientific lead of europe. The Renaissance was kickstarted by greek scholars fleeing Constantinople when it fell and bringing ancient knowledge with them. They were also the richest european power and possibly the richest power on earth for a long time until constant warfare and mismanagement took its' toll in the high middle ages (1100 to 1200). Their system of law was copied by everyone in the area, including Hungary and Poland, and their military was a small but professional force that kept the empire running for a millenia. Nothing of what you said makes sense considering that they have existed and survived as the same entity for a thousand years of constant, non-stop warfare (Constantinople was besieged 14 times before it was conquered) and, if you count the fact that they were the continuation of the roman empire, they have survived for 1400 years.
>>53382136 >The Renaissance was kickstarted by greek scholars fleeing Constantinople when it fell and bringing ancient knowledge with them. Horseshit denied by all of modern historians. Maybe they had some influence, surely didn't start anything though. >>53382136 >They were also the richest european power Constantinople maybe was rich before Fourth Crusade but when we talk about the entire country the Lowlands and the Italian states like Genoa, Venice etc probably were richer.
And when it comes to wealth, power and influence as a country - Byzantines were already a fucking joke compared to Umayyad Caliphate. Arabs took 2 richest provinces of the Byzantines after all - Syria and Egypt.
ERE was a power, one of the most influential in the world at a time but only before they lost Syria and Egypt. And it happened very quickly and after that this magnificient "empire" was reduced to merely Balkans and Anatolia gradually declining.
>>53382674 Even at the height of their power the Umayyad Caliphate wasn't as powerful as its' size implied, and it was never centralized.
Even though I agree that the loss of Alexandra cut their jugular, they still took a long time to go down and they continued being powerful and influential. They had their hands in all of their neighbors pies and everyone around them wanted a slice of their land and wanted to be like them. Southern and eastern slavs adopted their religion, copied their tactics and armors and even took the names of their titles for themselves. They had enough money to sustain entire armies of mercenaries (Long before the rest of the european powers started doing it). Their artstyle influenced the art of the entire eastern europe, armenia and georgia. And it wasn't just Constantinople that was strong. They had dozens of cultural and economical centers, like Nicea, Cesarea and so on and there wasn't really any part of their empire that one could call a "backwater" because every slice of it was richer, better administered and had better infrastructure than its' neighbors and than all european powers. The only real rival they had was Persia. Not even the arabs or moors could compare.
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