Would world be a better place today if muslims conquered Europe

>Destruction of classical civilization

topkek brah

I wonder why Arabs did't invade Europe?
They couldn't or didn't?

>>53366589
Huh? They did. They occupied Iberia and Sicily. Turks occupied the balkans. Crimean khanate was islamic,

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>>53366589

>>53366441
The only positive that came of the middle east during that time was from the Persians *in spite of* Islam.

>>53366589

They did, they captured the majority of the Iberian peninsula and penetrated into France but were beaten.

From the other direction, they besieged Constantinople twice but weren't able to sack/capture it, which is why they couldn't penetrate into Europe through the Balkans.

Also they captured Sicily (and held it for centuries) and raided Italy as far as Rome a couple of times, but that wasn't fruitful either

>>53366672

This map exaggerates Arab conquests 2bh

>>53366589
>what is battle of tours
>what is fall of constantinople
>what is battle of vienna

>>53366672
>Sardinia conquered

toplel Osman

>>53366819
the last two are Turkish not Arab

>>53366772
>t. bilel

you're not even an arab dumb, berber.

>>53366872
>Turkish not Arab

What's the difference?

>>53366925
That doesn't make sense

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>>53366925
Anatolian turks are mongrels and their language is Turkic and closer to mongolian and other east asian languages. Arabs are semitic/afroasiatic in language and genetics.

>>53366961

Turks and Arabs are the same thing Bruce

>>53366985

Tell us about Iranians, Alizadeh

>>53366864
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Italy#Saracens

'no'

Might be better if the crusades succeeded.

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>>53367012
100% white :^)

>>53366441


Actually it could be better. Probably all muslim world would be ruled from Europe or Muslim America today.

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>>53366996
I'm surprised you think so, you might want to get those eyes checked lad

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>>53367034
>rabian attacks on the island of Sardinia, less important than those on Sicily, failed to achieve its conquest although they induced its separation from the Roman Empire, giving birth to a period of Sardinian independence, the era of the giudicati.

That was literally in the first paragraph.

>>53366985
Those Turkish Turkmens are about 15.000.000 people. There are 45.000.000 Greek,Caucasus,Balkan and Persian rape babies.

>>53366441
we'd probably not have internet to talk about it that's for sure, still using candles to see in the dark

>>53367154
https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C3%BCrkiye_T%C3%BCrkmenleri

No English source for that desu.

>>53366441
Probably would have thrown Europe back another thousand years, which would've most likely allowed China and Japan and shit to colonize instead

>>53367180
Apart from being lucky enough to have a few enlightened philosophers and architects born in its land a couple millenia ago, what has greece even contributed to the world?

>>53367154
a nation of rapeseeds, no wonder you guys are so mad all the time

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>>53366441
No but after looking at your map the world would be a much better place if the Roman empire had never collapsed.

North Africa would be the best travel destination in the world, and Europe would be much less gay.

>>53367243
Wasn't Muslim world more developed than Christian world back then?

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>>53366925

>>53367211
>i'm not even muslim
Then you're brainwashed. The vast majority of scientific achivements during the middle ages were done by the Persians and even Arab historians agree. And the patrons of science were often heretics. Harun al-Rashid (founder of the ohuse of wisdom) was m'utazila which are considered heretics now and even jailed one of the founders of major schools of islamic jurisprudence.

>>53367251
we held muslims out of Europe long enough to secure western's civilization survival I guess? or civilization's survival in general I guess

>>53366441
Depends if it was through spain, it would means mainly berbers and seeing andalucia it could have been good and even better that how was europe at that time.
If it was through anatolia it'd have been arabs and europeans would get slit throated and their wife taken to harems.

>>53367347

topkek

Greeks, the most delusional of them all. Ottoman bitches for centuries yet still saved Europe from the Muslim menace.

>>53366672
vassals!=conquered

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>>53367254
Rapebabies is just a meme. The fact is those are the people who chose Islam. Nobody called themself Turk or something else if they were muslims. There is no racial superiority in Islam.

Check the millet system. There is no Turk or Greek on that map.

>>53367286
Right. The Muslims would've gotten into the colonization game first then

>>53367377
Fine Bogdan, you were good at war and your princesses were god tier.

Probably islam would be far more civilized today if it had, however we would still be at pre-industrial revolution tech level.

>>53367286
Italy's and Byzantium's economies were wrecked precisely because of Mudslimes. They also occupied and Islamified Persia. Arabs are a race of herders and will revert to being herders once the oil runs out.

>>53367504
thanks,mustafa

>>53367559

>herders

Herders who conquered Persia with incredible ease

>>53367372
Greeks kept the roman empire alive for a thousand years even though arabs tried their hardest to destroy it all that time and ultimately failed because it was turks who finally conquered it. What have arabs shitskins ever done except destroy everything in their path for their little dominatrix god and his little sub bitch of a prohpet :^)

>>53367757

>butthurt Fin

Like fucking clockwork.

>>53367695
>Arabs dominate only of the plains, because they are, by their savage nature, people of pillage and corruption. They pillage everything that they can take without fighting or taking risks, then flee to their refuge in the wilderness, and do not stand and do battle unless in self-defense. So when they encounter any difficulty or obstacle, they leave it alone and look for easier prey. And tribes well-fortified against them on the slopes of the hills escape their corruption and destruction, because they prefer not to climb hills, nor expend effort, nor take risks. Whereas plains, when they can reach them due to lack of protection and weakness of the state, are spoils for them and morsels for them to eat, which they will keep despoiling and raiding and conquering with ease until their people are defeated, then imitate them with mutual conflict and political decline, until their civilization is destroyed.

>>53366441
What if it was the other way around? What if the Muslims were purged from the middle east during the middle ages?

>>53366441
Anyone care to speculate how primitive the world would be today?.

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>>53367795

>do not stand and do battle unless in self-defense

Yes, sure, 15 million square kilometers of self-defence. Astounding cognitive dissonance there lad.

>>53367372
see
>>53367757

I don't even have to reply anymore. When holywood is making billion $ movies about your country's history you don't have to prove anything to no one.

>>53366441
1 most of those "battles" are made up

I know because we have barely any information about muslims raid in Sardinia and they were fewer and always in the coasts, mostly in unspecified locations

2 Sardinia was never conquered

Sardinia was never occupied by Arabs/Moors stably, let alone completely conquered like Sicily, if anything South Italy should be green because we know that a lot of cities there were actually conquered and it's documented

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>>53366441
>muslims attack europe
>europe does it back
>m-muh white guilt
>muslims do it again
muslims have invaded europe more than europe has invaded the middle east
what should we be guilty about again?

>>53367143
This

>>53367852
>Whereas plains, when they can reach them due to lack of protection and weakness of the state, are spoils for them and morsels for them to eat, which they will keep despoiling and raiding and conquering with ease until their people are defeated
Read again

>>53367834
Why would anything change? Christianity was as primitive as Islam back then. The only real difference would only be religion. Europe still would become more developed then the rest of the world and colonize other continents. Europe was destined to succeed - climate, big population, dense cities, livestock, diseases immunity gained through the ages - religion wouldn't change Europe's destiny.

>>53368098
Europe succeeded by putting religion in the background and away from science and politics. Islam is political and ever present by definition. There is no equivalent of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Render_unto_Caesar
in Islam.

>>53367875
why are you telling him to see a post that was already a reply to him?

>>53366589
We fucked 'em

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>>53366672
>'german' karolinger Empire

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>>53366441
No.

>>53368325
European political landscape would demand reforms in islam like it did with christianity

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>>53366441
Yes, they weren't jihadi retards at that time and probably became so because of us.

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>>53372246

>>53366589
They basically became Spain

>>53372819
no they didn't

>>53374500
Yes, they did

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>>53366672
muslims' european tour ended at tours

>>53366985
Then, arabs are sub-sahaarian africans that mixed with asians?

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>>53374672
>top kek

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>>53374672
>Your Tour's over

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>Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers -already, you see, the world had already fallen into the hands of the Jews, so gutless a thing Christianity! -then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism [Islam], that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world. Christianity alone prevented them from doing so
It would be an Aryan paradise

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>>53378488
GERMAN KEKOLDRY FOR ISLAM IS NOTHING NEW

>>53366441
Certainly not.
>>53366589
Couldn't. And still can't regardless of memes.

>>53366441
Certainly so.

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>>53366441
Nah tbch, Christianity is more beautiful and humble

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_6e9T1FpG8

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>>53379388
>humble

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>>53379666
>not humble

I won't believe your lies today unholy trips

>>53366441
Definitely!

we would be still in middle ages

>>53366441
They can't conquer shit.

>>53380134
>golden platter
>silk robes
>that lad behind palpatine holding a solid gold ball
>humble

ok den

>>53380326
>humility means to beauty allowed

It's not like it's the pope's personal stuff

>>53380375
that's basically saying "look how rich we priest motherfuckers are lmao but you, simple believer, should give to charity and be humble"

even if it's not his personal stuff that's still put on display for everyone to see, how is that humble? when niggers do the same thing with chains you'd consider that to be bad, no?

>>53380889
>le church dont donate and do charity work aroud the world
I bet you'd rather give it all to ISIS then

>>53381360
>if you don't support hypocrisy then ur isis xD

nice logic

>>53381580
>hipocrisy
They donate 90% of the money they make

>>53381692
>this is what thirld worders actually believe

spent some time here and let's see how your opinion of priests change, literally one of the dirties categories there are, and all the worst they claim to be "humble".

Why do Muslim want to conquer Europe so bad?

Anyway it'd just mean that more of Europe would look like what Albania and Kosovo do today. Those are European Muslim countries. Not great but not as bad as Yemen or Pakistan or anything.

>>53366672
although a muslim army raided and "paraded" through France before being btfo by Charles Martel, actual muslim control didn't go past the Pyrenees

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>>53380889
Priests aren't rich you goof, that stuff is for everybody. It's not like clergy just sit in rooms of hoarded gold. I can walk into pretty much Cathedral in the world and admire it.

Robes, statues, icons, cathedrals, etc. are expensive and take a lot of work, but the beauty is intended for everyone.

>>53379666
catholics aren't real christians.
they are the ones that fucked up the patriarchate system because >muh rome

>>53382110
whatever, I only see Catholics around me so I'm going to talk about them if I want to.

>>53382110
> beauty is intended for everyone.

oh yes I'm going to get myself a nice pack of beauty for dinner tonight, thanks Church!

>>53366672
Reminder that Odo the Great > Karl the Cuckold.

Those frankish fucking shits almost doomed the rest of europe by backstabbing their christian brothers desu. Time and time again, germanics proved to be muslim enablers.