pulju was 13 when he moved away from his parents to live alone

>>53332040
are they?

I moved at 18 to go to college, it's considered normal.
But studies show for example that, at least in France, parents don't send their children to holiday camps as before.
In the 50's, millions of kids as young as 8y/o would spend one month without their parents, now it's only a few thousands, only after 14y/o.

Probably the effect of the pedo hysteria. Mommy's gonna keep baby safe at home.

Yeah I heard that in southern europe it's worse. Maybe because moving out requires money.

>>53332040
Because welfare system

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>>53333129
looks like france is one of the more civilized countries in mainland europe

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>>53333576
this map would indicate that even though sweden catches up and denmark even surpasses by the age 25 finland really is ahead of the game when it comes to moving out at 18 or before 18

MONGOL PRIDE WORLDWIDE

>>53333672
>>53333576

Free education and government paying your rent plays a part

>>53333576
>>53333672
>tfw 25 and my mom still cooks for me
So comfy

>>53333576
wtf denmark

>tfw 26 and living at home with parents

28 and live with parents

My cat is in love with my dad (and vice versa), I'm mentally ill (and hooked on opiates), too poor to live on my own (work IT for 10 dollars an hour), and I like shade gardening so my parents big house/property is great for that, while an apartment in the ghetto would not

>>53337315
>work IT for 10 dollars an hour
Help desk? Do you have a degree?

>>53337132
No
Wtf you

>>53337435
I lived on my own from ages 20 to 25, there's really no point in moving out if you're not married.

>>53333672
i don't know about other places, but estonia, sweden and ireland are pretty fucked in the real estate department... prices are absurdly high so to get your own place takes a shitload of time to save up even for a basic loan for a shitty place

>>53337507
You'd be more independent, you'd have some privacy, your parents could finally live their lives

>>53333296
This

>>53337600
I had all that for 5 years, my parents wanted me to move back in with them, and I'm glad I did since I get to spend more time with them now. The girl I'm seeing has her own place, so it's a win-win.

>>53337360
Degree in international relations

No I work for a public school system, they do coursework, homework and testing on computers now, and students all own laptops and old ipads. Mostly charging, maintaining and fixing student laptops and trying to manage the horrid proprietary school software

>>53337600
>You'd be more independent
no slaves who wash your clothes
no slaves who pay electro-, water- and heating bills
no slaves who make food for you
>you'd have some privacy
Shouldn't be a problem as long as you aren't a creep.
>your parents could finally live their lives
Life ends with the birth of the first child.

>>53337775
wtf, how are they getting away with only paying $10/hr for that? You should be able to get $20+/hr easily doing that, especially since you have a 4 year degree.

>>53337803
>Life ends with the birth of the first child.

Europeans can't think like this, you're going to die out if you have this belief and don't have enough babies :(

>>53337803
>no slaves who wash your clothes
>no slaves who pay electro-, water- and heating bills
Grow up
>no slaves who make food for you
Cooking is great
>Shouldn't be a problem as long as you aren't a creep.
What?
>Life ends with the birth of the first child
Yeah if the child is a loser who doesn't move out before he's 20

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>>53336900
literally master race

>>53337868
We should think about breeding them in laboratories. The female refugees could be parents of like 5-10 children while the men should do the simple works for the higher (white) class.

>>53337951
You're taking your free schooling for granted. In most places students are too encumbered with debt to afford to move out so leaving home before 20 is unlikely.

>>53338153
The lad said nothing about uni though

>>53338153
we have free education, but most people start university at 19-20 so we'll be ~25 when we end higher education...

>>53332040
Because our countries are (were) safe.

If I moved to Reykjavík at 13 my chances of anything bad happening to me would be 0%.

Why do Finns look so undeniably Finnish? No other country does this.

>>53332040
Mongol man

>>53338245
...and then you have to start a job to start earning up for your own place, unless your parents are rich and can get you one (very few people have that opportunity)

>>53338307
He looks like he has a brain damage, though he plays hockey so I wouldn't be surprised

>>53337951
>Grow up
I did you faggot. I could press the start button of a washing machine and pay others with my credit card if I had to.
>Cooking is great
It is but we live in the 21st century where you just need a microwaver for a whole meal. Why should I waste my lifetime on cooking, if there is a woman that makes it for free?
>What?
Who needs that much privacy? Don't you have a room for yourself? I don't have something to hide.
>Yeah if the child is a loser who doesn't move out before he's 20
>studying
>STEM
>"""""""""""loser""""""""""""
You are a loser for not having slaves.

Nordicks are cold and soulless, and aren't close to their families

That's why Nordic women have a high percentage of race mixers, to get attention

>>53338454
that's why no one said a word when he left, everyone was happy that the freak was gone :DDD lol jk

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>>53337507
>there's really no point in moving out if you're not married.

>>53338493
>studying STEM
>lives with parents
lmao I'm a 3rd year STEM student and moved out at 19. of course I did, who lives with their parents while going to uni?

>>53338493
>Why should I waste my lifetime on cooking
You can cook for an hour and live with that for three days
>if there is a woman that makes it for free?
Get a gf to your own house
>Who needs that much privacy?
White people
>Don't you have a room for yourself?
Sure I had, but a whole apartment is still better
>You are a loser for not having slaves
Nice edgy my family and friends are slaves joke, again
Based on that you're studying to your high school exams at best

>>53333672
>>53333576
One map says french youth is more independent than brit youth, the other says the contrary...

elementary school = live with parents
middle school = live with parents
high school = either live with parents or move if there's some specialty (sports, theatre, science etc.) that requires moving
college = move out instantly

this is pretty much how it goes for everyone

50/50 between moving out right after high school or waiting to find out where you'll go to college

>>53338687
>and moved out at 19
and how did you finance your life? like, how did you pay for everyday utilities, food, rent?

>>53338924
one map is 18-29 other is 25-34

>>53339002
studentbux

>>53339115
pfff. so you had all your shit payed for you basically and probably got money from parents too...

>>53339166
yes just like anyone else with a nordic passport living in finland

>>53339166
You don't get any support from government?

>>53339249
minimal

you can get some traveling support if you live in another town of your uni and some studentbux if you're top notch, but none of it will even cover basic rent

>>53339166
>paying for education
kek, are you afri...american?

>>53338687
I do and it feels good.

>>53338777
>You can cook for an hour and live with that for three days
She cooks goat tier food for hours and I eat it in three minutes.
>Get a gf to your own house
top kek, find a Eurogirl that does something for the household.
>White people
I don't need more privacy. Nobody comes to my room if I want to be alone.
>Sure I had, but a whole apartment is still better
>giving up the advantage of living in a house to live as a subhuman in a flat that is smaller than your toilet room
Next you are saying that a stinky public park is better than a nice garden.

>Based on that you're studying to your high school exams at best
I'm at my 5th semester

>>53339306
we have free education up to doctorate...

>>53339166
>pfff. so you had all your shit payed for you basically
dude i owe like 6k on student loans...
t. different.

>>53339342
I spent a week with my parents and sisters around christmas. We get along well etc. it's pretty much the ideal white family with no issues but I could never do that around the year. Do people in other countries even look forward to becoming of age if you don't even move out? What's the point of "becoming an adult" if you still live with your parents?

>>53339342
How do you even meet some new people if you are living with your parents instead of on campus?


>>53339409
>6k
It's fucking nothing, im lending as much as possible since the interest is so low and you only need to pay back 60% of the loan

>>53339342
>I don't need more privacy. Nobody comes to my room if I want to be alone.
So your privacy is limited to your own room which is way smaller than the shitty flat you hate?

>>53339409
student loans backed by the government with basically 0% interest and endless time to pay but yeah, most people do opt for the loan even with studentbux

the money is so cheap I know people who take the maximum loan every semester because putting it into even the safest investment will make more money than the loan has interest

>>53339249
The government doesn't hand out any NEETbux. Even if you lose a job, tough shit, you won't get anything.

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>>53339306
>thinking education is free
How do taxes work

>>53339523
>0% interest
It's about 2%

>>53339452
Yeah i know it's basically nothing "yet"
I'd need to be accepted to a job to pay it off tho. If i dont. It's gonna be a pain in the ass to pay it back from neetbux.

>>53337507
>married

wtf would you do that? having a gf isn't enough?

>>53339507
given the circumstances it's fair to say that you also live in your own room with all expenses taken care for you, just that: your room is physically remote from your home

there really isn't much to brag about if you're being honest, though i jelly the social welfare system you have going on, if i were finnish i'd leech the shit out of it too ;)

>>53339342
>I don't need more privacy. Nobody comes to my room if I want to be alone.
literally high school tier thoughts. there's the "I can wank in peace if I'm quiet" privacy and then there's the "I live alone and can do whatever I want without disturbing anyone" privacy.

>>53339548
>implying i pay any taxes
>implying im ever gonna work in Finland
>implying i dont buy everything from Estonia

>>53339546
I thought you were more like us

>>53339563
it's pretty much equal to inflation which is why I said "basically 0"

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>>53339523
>I know people who take the maximum loan every semester because putting it into even the safest investment will make more money than the loan has interest
why am i not this smart? or brave?

>>53339603
I don't leech anymore and my "room" is bigger than it was when I was living with my parents

>>53339594
>thinking you have to pay back student loan from neetbux
did you even read the papers you signed?
>>53339603
in finland using the government systems designed for the purpose of supporting a student through school or a young person to live independently isn't "leeching". it's the system working as intended

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>>53338105
I'm gonna save that for ruses

>>53339523
>safest investment
Any examples?

>>53339667
i did that one year, it's called arbitrage, but the returns were quite low... still some free money for nothing other than a few clicks in internet bank felt good :D

>>53339754
but it doesn't really count much as a personal achievement does it if you're "enabled" haha got to use that term xDD

>>53339754
Yeah it was like 10 years or some shit with few % or less interest.
I was high as fuck tho.
I assume i have to pay it back. I'm not a greek ffs.

>>53339436
>implying people who live with parents can be called adults

>>53339851
it's not supposed to be a personal achievement. it's the sign of a civilized white nation working as one

>>53339930
there are many civilized white nations where thhat doesn't happen though

>>53339851
might aswell blaze that shit then

>>53339759
I don't know I don't do it myself. These are people who have enough money saved up or work on the side and don't need the loan but take it anyway because it's what they call "free money". I'm guessing some spread investments like a rahasto or something but like I said I don't do it myself

>>53339976
Name one

>have the welfare state pay for your schooling
>have the welfare state pay for your housing
>have the welfare state pay for your healthcare
>have the welfare state pay for your food
>"independent "

>>53339994
do you consider estonia a non-white non-civilized nation?

>>53339903
yeah that's what I'm thinking too

in nordic countries moving out is the definitive mark of adulthood. it's like a ritual. do people in other countries think their adults while their mum cooks and cleans for them?

>>53340046
>he doesn't understand what taxes are

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>>53340046

>>53340046
right to the heart of it

>>53340077
you probably haven't payed a cent of tax yet

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>>53340051
>do you consider estonia a non-white non-civilized nation?
hmmm... t. other finn

Damn, OP just made me realize how modern life has ruined my life...
>Have bad parents but not psycho-bad
>18y/o : normal age to move out to study in the nearest city. Parents or scholarship for the poor pay the rent (in my case, parents)
>Studies don't turn out as they should, no job and parents stop paying the rent
>Go back home after 6 years
>I've changed, won't take their shit as much as before, so they throw me out
>Have to go live with grandmother, in a still more secluded place, with no job market at all

It all makes sense now.

Take the teens from home, bait them with freedom and dreams of high professional success. It works for some, but for the other half, they eventually have to either
- try to go back home after 5+ years (see above)
- start life with part-time minimum wage AND a *city* rent to pay *alone*, and endure alone-ness (unless they find roommates)

It's not bad luck, it's designed evil. Call it excessive "individual responsability" or whatever, all I know is that without this pressure to leave the family *before* having professional skills and a steady job (career), there would be less homeless people.
Once you have left once, coming back is almost impossible (unless you have very, very nice parents)

Once you are alone, with a city rent to pay, working at mc donald's for minimum wage, you know you have no future, because you can save zero per month.

fuck.

>>53340051
Yeah, you have a lot of Russians

>>53340046
>>53340134
Is that what you really think? 406 per month from the gubmint if you're not a student and rent alone is 700-1000e/month

>>53340199
what about lithuania then, since russians obviously are not white...

>>53340134
>buy es
>pay taxes

>>53340134
>>53340046
"hey guys have you noticed how in countries that manage their affairs well it's not a personal achievement to move out from parents house before age 20?"

"YOU HAVEN'T EARNED IT THAT'S NOT AN ACHIEVEMENT"

great reading comprehension and inferiority complex tbqh

>>53340134
Not him but I had paid 15k in taxes before I was even 18, git gud peasant

>>53340235
well then the math doesn't work out... how do you cover the -300 to -600 when you're 19, just moved out and don't have a job?

>>53340239
What about it? Definitely not a civilised nation

>>53340235
>rent alone is 700-1000e/month
you can get a student apartment for 250-300 easily even in helsinki region. yeah it's shit but it beats living with your parents

>>53340284
>countries that manage their affair well
is that why the finnish economy is crashing?

>>53340289
Maybe, just maybE, he had a job...?

>>53340289
By getting a job or taking a loan? Like an adult? And what -300 to -600, that's just rent, then there's food, electricity, internet, clothes, dishes, appliances etc. etc.

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>>53340046
u mad essé?

>>53340366
how does one manage a job and being a student? is your higher education a meme? or are you all just over-achievers?

>>53340289
student apartment is like 300
food is like 200 if you eat really cheap, 300 if ok

student aid is like 450
free loan is 300/mo IIRC
go to social sevices if you simply can't make ends meet to get "being poor money" where the only requirement is being poor

>>53340358
No

>>53340289
Not him but I pay 300€ in rent, ~200€ for food/alcohol and 100€ for everything else.

I could easily live on the government money which is 530€/month but I take full student loan as well because of the low rent.

>>53340336
>if you're not a student
>you can get a student apartment
yeah, okay.

>>53339436
>What's the point of "becoming an adult" if you still live with your parents?
My mother would do the same stuff at home, even if I wasn't there. I just enjoy the easy life as long as possible.
I live better than a medival king. Give me a good reason to give that up and start a life as a poor student.

>>53339452
I don't know, maybe by just talking with them at uni?

>your own room which is way smaller than a shitty flat
They are almost of the same size here and they are expensive, too. Which sane person would pay a shit-load of money to live in a small, cold cage?

>>53339606
>I live alone and can do whatever I want without disturbing anyone
Awesome things you could do when you live alone and where nobody would disturb you:
>

>>53339757
I want to invest my money, what about you poorfag?

>>53340358
our economy going to shit has absolutely nothing to do with student benefits

>>53340419
Or we're just not stupid?

I'm 25 and my mom still cooks for me, washes my clothes, makes my bed, cleans/vacuums my room and drives me places.

I am half french half italian, its a latin thing. I regret nothing.

>>53340493
ok, i thought it was a larger issue with the whole social benefits system and the student support was a part of it..

>>53340515
can you answer the question with not a question?

>>53340467
>>53340235
well then why the fuck are you saying 406 which is close to studentbux?
if you're not a student you can easily milk the welfare system for 1000€ if you include the rent and utilities they pay for directly. students get much less than neets

>>53340472
>Awesome things you could do when you live alone and where nobody would disturb you
I forgot your spare time consists of playing simulators and shitposting

DESIGNATED

>people voluntarily want to pay for shit they can get for free
>people voluntarily deny themselves tasty homemade cooking
>people voluntarily deny themselves day-to-day contact with their family

top zozzle

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>>53340567
sup m8

>>53340575
We're not stupid, that's how we manage a job and uni
Better?

>>53340575
while the welfare system does need some adjustments (that they are testing out already) it's got nothing to do with why the economy went to shit

taxation of businesses and cost of running a business was probably the biggest issue

>>53340630
F R E E D O M

>>53340596
Come on, list me some awesome things I could do alone in a small, stinky flat.

>>53340656
Muh sanctions!!!!1!

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>tfw mentally ill mother who'll probably kill herself if I move out
>tfw being trapped in this shit tier flat

>>53340646
hmm... maybe a little better. it's just that, here, if you're a full time student your workload in school is quite dank so having a job is like... exhausting and shit... you wont get much sleep etc.

of course there are people who manage that, but not stemtards... never

>>53340705
Who said alone?

>>53340705
Invite girls/friends, i sure hope you mum isn't degenerate enough to let you have your drinking friends over to her house in the middle of night

>>53340669
>I'm only free when I eat shitty ramen noodles erryday, have no contact with any of my family members and pay throught the nose for the privilege

lel

>>53340728
Fuck your mum lad.

>>53340705
drink beer with friends regardless of what time it is
masturbate wildly
brew your own alcohol or grow weed if that's what you're into
watch movies on high volume without wondering if your parents are bothered
sleep during the day and stay up all night if that's what you feel like doing

I really shouldn't have to explain to you the things one can do if left alone. Have your parents never left on a vacation with just the two of them and left you home alone? It's like that but always.

>>53340732
Yeah it can be exhausting but it's all about time management (and not having too hard work :D)

>>53340728
are you sure it wouldn't cheer her up to see her son become an adult?

>>53340830
>triggered child admits he will never see his family if he doesn't live with them
why do you hate your family so much that you wouldn't visit them or eat out with them? Also here people actually get paid for working, you do know what work is, right?

>>53340854
i could only work summer jobs
during study periods i had way too much things to do besides school to get a part time job (no one even wants a part time engineer anyway)

>>53340854
only degenerates work while studying tbqh

>>53340830
>you can't cook if you live alone
>you can't meet other people either
Fuck me

>>53340952
and drop outs.. wait.. that's the same thing innit

>>53340830
>eat shitty ramen noodles erryday
I cook 5-6 days a week. Boiling noodles or heating microwave dinners is not cooking. Because we don't live with our mum until 30 finnish youth actually learns to cook regardless of gender.

>>53340931
Study more efficiently

>>53340630
My 1st year outside the nest (alone), I was in prep school, and suicidal.
Then I quit at the end of the year, to go to Uni, where I was reunited with all my friends from high school.
They all felt lost, like me (esp. those who were studying Law) : everyday we would get high on weed and get shitfaced on alcohol.
Free Uni in France is an awful experience : One teacher for 300 students (often, he's not even there, he's in the USA for a Conference tour), nobody cares about you. There's a different system for the priviledged and the merit-kids called Grandes Écoles, and in Uni aka "Fac", priviledge is still more determining : without any guidance, only the priviledged survive.

All my friends were from poor families who never went to Uni, and when we ended up in free Uni, we would sign oathes to change and apply ourselves more, but the next day we would get shitfaced again. Not because we didn't care about the future, but because we were lost and terrified.

Maybe one day I'll get published and paid for these rants. Thanks for your attention.

>>53341109
you know.. you say these things like: study more efficiently and it's all about time management... and it all sounds absolutely reasonable, but at the same time, it all sounds like you're 100% full of shit

>>53340844
>I really shouldn't have to explain to you the things one can do if left alone.
meh, see >>53341201

>>53340774
>>53339606

>>53340806
I was a cool normie back then when I was younger and could party on our own ground. Many people here have small huts, maybe similar to small saunas in Finland. My mom isn't mudslim, so she was ok with that. I think all that alcohol and food was more expensive than your whole monthly life. (I had to finance that by myself). Do you think that your bathtub is superior to our outdoor pool?

>>53340844
see above
>watch movies on high volume without wondering if your parents are bothered
Enjoy the fist of your neighbour on your face or the police, knocking on you door.
>sleep during the day and stay up all night if that's what you feel like doing
How is that a problem if you live with your parents?

>>53341234
Not him but are you saying you couldn't work 10-20 hours per week? Even 12 hours a week (two 6 hour work days for example) is around 500e a month on top of benefits.

>>53341256
we don't have a distinction between free uni and paid uni. AFAIK there is not a single university level school in finland that isn't free. so there is no distinction between poor and rich kids. having separate poor kid schools does sound terrible

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>tfw 25 years old
>mfw work at my parents home
>mfy my moms cooks for me all the time and still takes care of me
life is good .

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>>53341316
>I think all that alcohol and food was more expensive than your whole monthly life
lmao
>german NEET claims to have parties that cost over 1000e, at his parents house
>and that he paid for it without working

>>53341234
Yeah, that's what you gotta do but it's not necessarily simple thing to do
I'm a lazy person, so I've always had problems with those

>>53341338
i absolutely could, but none of the employers want a worker who puts in such a small effort.. unless you work at a bar or something which is not very demanding

like... my work now... i probably spend that amount just sitting through meetings and doing things that have little to do with what i'm supposed to be doing

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>mfw all these people that are okay with living with their parents after a certain point
I honestly cannot understand how people can like living with their parents once they're older than about 20. I lived with my dad until I was 28 because I couldn't afford to leave and I fucking hated it, even though my dad is a good person.

>>53341535
+ i would not be payed 500 eur just because.. well, i live in estonia you know... the salaries aren't really that high

>>53341316
>Enjoy the fist of your neighbour on your face or the police, knocking on you door.
Germany sounds horrible
>How is that a problem if you live with your parents?
Some parents care about their children's well being but I guess it's no use explaining what maternal love is to a German

>>53341201
i go to the top2 school in finland. my parents are well off (both make 6 figures) and the best friend I've made from school comes from a family of unemployed single parent high up in rural north.

we both live in similiar appartments. we go to same classes. we go to same student parties. neither feels lost because there are hundreds of other students who all feel connected by simply being students. there is no class difference between us. we're all students regardless of our background.

such is life in socialist finland

They're like reptiles. Their parents don't care about them.

>>53341608
The only way to live off is to be a programmer, they get 3000 euro+

>>53341715
i'm in embedded and i get 1500.. i'm quite well off in terms of life in estonian capital to be honest

the guys who get 3000 are not programmers, but software architects and people who manage programmers..

>>53341497
read again

>>53341630
Pic related is what I use to hear music. Loud music is for the lower class.

As for the second part, I don't have the wish to sleep at day and stay up at night.

Just admit that you live a shitty life.

>>53341797
I think Skype paid astronomical sums of money for their crew

>>53341395
It's a bit more complex TTYTT (to tell you the truth).
Some of the most prestigious Grandes Écoles are free, but in the end, 90% of the students come from the elite classes.
I just wanted to be a teacher, but when you've never had a gf and think you'll never have one, you, meaning I, couldn't concentrate.

I really hate to whine (I do), but the thread is interesting.
It's weird how so much money goes to give better skills and more opportunities, but in the end, if you don't end up with the right degree at the right moment, you suddenly can't pay the rent anymore, I know there are dozens of "punks" where I live, i.e. homeless youth wearing black and living with dogs. meh.

>>53341661
It's great, man.
Have you hear of Pierre Bourdieu? That's the sociologist who exposed the failure of the so called equalitarian french system.
But I too used to have friends who picked the right subject (science and technology VS Law), and when they saw all the money coming, they were amazed at the beauty of life...
It works, for some.
I'm pretty fucked up anyway, but seeing a paper comparing french and finland systems objectively would be nice.

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>>53341905
Pic related is similar to what I use to watch movies
And even if you don't want to do some shit you're still restricted
Just admit you're living a shitty life

>>53342023
yeah, you can get about 4k+ in skype if you're bad ass
entry level jobs there are still around 1.5-2k

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why do so many euros hate freedoms

>>53341905
>lower class
But mr. NEET, you are the lowest class there is.

>>53342042
yes I know Bourdieu by name but I really haven't examined he's work deeper than some extremely basic summaries on the internet
>but in the end, if you don't end up with the right degree at the right moment, you suddenly can't pay the rent anymore
that's what I like about european welfare systems even if it is true they sometime "allow for failure". you can take risks. want to become an archeologist? everyone telling you it's a bad career path but you're simply interested? go for it. worst case scenario you'll still have your dignity living halfway decently on neetbux

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>>53342079
You are like an African-American negro who defends his life style in the ghetto.

>>53342311
but I am in education

>>53332040
>pulju
who the hell names their kid PULJU?
here's george, michael and PULJU
fucking PULJU!?

>>53341905
it's not sleeping all day and staying up every night. it's the freedom to do so if you suddenly wish to for whatever reason without having to explain it to anyone
>Enjoy the fist of your neighbour on your face or the police, knocking on you door.
I don't know where you live but where I live we have solid brick walls blocking all noise from neighbours

>>53342332
t. a germ who watches pirated movies on his 15" laptop with 10€ headphones in his mother's 2x3m room

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>>53342382
>is a student
>larps high class

>>53342434
it's his last name (puljujärvi). his first name is Jesse
>Jesse /ˈdʒɛs.iː/, Ishai or Yishai (Hebrew: יִשַׁי, Modern Yishay, Tiberian Yīšáy, meaning "God exists" or "God's gift"; Arabic: يَسَّى Yassa; Syriac: ܐܝܫܝ Eshai; Greek: Ἰεσσαί Iessai; Latin: Isai, Jesse)

>>53333296
Seriously. The only way any significant number of people in a country can move out >18 is if there is a large scale welfare system in place.

>>53342704
of course but there are plenty of other countries rich enough to implement one so the question isn't really "how is this one individual from a nordic country able to move out" but "why have these countries prioritized allowing youth to move out while others havent"

>>53342439
But I don't have that wish and my point is that I have enough privacy.

>I don't know where you live but where I live we have solid brick walls blocking all noise from neighbours
A friend of me is a poorfag like you and you can hear the neighbour at pissing.

>>53342467
What is netflix?
What are attention whoring beats headphones?
What is a 1,8k€ Ultrabook?
30qm here but I like to switch the rooms. The kitchen is my favourite place at home.

>>53342478
this, lmao

>>53342901
>What is netflix?
Shit
>What are attention whoring beats headphones?
Shit
>What is a 1,8k€ Ultrabook?
Shit

What is your point?

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>>53342901
But you're the only poorfag here you don't even work
>watching movies with a proper sound system is attention whoring
aaaaaaaahahahahhaha

>>53339115
This is the deciding factor that keeps Americans inextricably linked to their parents after 18. Well that and health care. Until you are 24 what you get for college money is 100% based on what you and your parents make. Considering very few people have a decent job at that age (especially as a student) for 6 years people who want to go to college are tied to their parents.
Unless they want to get fucking married or join the military.
The amount of grants and loans you receive does not mater one bit on how much your parents actually pay for your college, but is based only on their income. So many people have parents with decent jobs but are "house poor", or just generally retarded with finances. This makes the way federal aid is given out insane.

>>53342901
>The kitchen is my favourite place at home.
Yeah no doubt about that you fat fuck :D

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>>53342998

>>53342901
sounds like german engineering isn't all it's hyped up to be
>>53343083
:D

>>53343126
So your point was that you pay for shit and laugh at people who pay to live alone?

>>53342848
>why have these countries prioritized allowing youth to move out while others havent
Idk man
Boomers in America love to complain about children living with their parents too long, but the most logical thing for most young adults to do is stay on their parents healthcare plan until they are 26.

America likes to go full retard quite a bit

>>53333576
In poor countries less people can afford an own home. It's not rocket science.

>>53343193
>at people who pay to live alone
it was already ascertained that none of you actually do...

>>53343527
No, some of us work while studying

>>53332040
Are they? White America is largely Nordic but people here essentially never leave home before 18

>>53342314
I beg to differ about Neetbux.
You want to die when after failing the Jetfighter career and other things, finally you end up knocking on an "insertion center" door to beg for free money. I did it because my father told me to...
It shouldn't exist. It's worse than slavery. I'm here because I have zero friends, because I live in shame. I seen stories about tough conditions in Foxconn factory in China (factory making the iPhones), it makes me rage, because the story shows that in China, an 18y/o girl can find a steady job with absolutely zero qualification.
All these jobs were outsourced by rich people.
I've applied for the shittest part time jobs, that would barely pay my rent, always no answer... When I find work, it's just for a few weeks.

I'm not stupid, if I was maybe I would already be a murderer. But my brain allows me to name things, so I'll use a word to describe my situation, this word is lack of *investment*.
French gov gives 500€ / month to 25 year olds who live with their parents, they don't need it, for them it's 100% leisure money.
Govt should
- cut this
- take two struggling people, let one die, and invest in the other, who would get 3 times more.

It's less cruel to pick one person among many, and let the others die, than give 500 to everyone, who are not paid to do nothing, but are paid to become crazy, be alone, and shut their mouths about their jobs which were outsourced in China, Bangladesh etc.

Also, I don't think there's merit in picking the right field (science/technology) : I know a guy who wanted to make a bad choice (study cinema), but his father loved him, so his father forced him to study science, now he's happily employed with wife and children. I wanted to make a bad choice (thinking it was a good one), noone ever questioned it (except once, a friend's father, a working class father, apparently the only adult who felt concern about me once, one day)

I'm tired, good evening.
As for me, I'll make sweet dreams about investment.

>>53343041
My dad spend a lot of money for a huge special produced TV with all that home cinema bullshit, but we barely use it. I prefer to watch movies alone in my bed.

>But you're the only poorfag here you don't even work
t. "free" slave
“Today as always, men fall into two groups: slaves and free men. Whoever does not have two-thirds of his day for himself, is a slave, whatever he may be: a statesman, a businessman, an official, or a scholar.”
Nietzsche

>>53343448
no one is wondering about romania. germany or belgium or austria or ireland aren't poorer than nordic countries

>>53343527
we pay our entire lives to support a system that allowed us to live alone in our youth

>>53343648
>My dad spend a lot of money for a huge special produced TV with all that home cinema bullshit, but we barely use it. I prefer to watch movies alone in my bed.

Welcome to the club man

>>53343648

I always laugh when Neets who get cucked by the job centre talk about Freedom

>>53343069
>This makes the way federal aid is given out insane.
how? I don't understand your last paragraph.

>>53343746
and i don't pay my entire life for a system that didn't, but i still live alone...

>>53343822
congratulations?

>>53343648
>I prefer to watch movies alone in my bed.
Yeah, alone is the keyword here
That's probably why you don't mind living with your parents
>that slavery shit
Yeah we call people like you rats
They believe that everyone who works is a sheep. And they don't believe that you can actually enjoy your career
Rats complain how sheep waste their lives working but in reality, rats stay at home because they have absolutely nothing to do with their lives n shit

Nothing wrong with living with your parents. Moved out at 19, but would probably prefer to live with my parents if I could.

If you're studying and plan on moving out, especially in a city with higher living costs like Helsinki, you'll probably have to make some sacrifices. If you don't want to work while studying, you'll either need to share your apartment with 2 or more potentially horrible flatmates, who might have a tendency to do their fucking dishes at 4 am and therefore waking you up, or get a shitty apartment at a shitty location if you actually want to live alone. Alternatively, you can work at the same time, but why would you want to do that?

Washing clothes is a bother. Doing the dishes is a bother. Cooking can be a bother if you need to do it after a busy day. The small amount of extra privacy I get for living on my own isn't really worth it. At least I can get my girlfriend to do all the shit around the house soon enough.

>>53343899
for what? that our economic model is different?

>>53343648
>I prefer to watch movies alone in my bed.
if you lived alone you wouldn't have to go to your bedroom to be alone

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>>53343648
*tips neckbeard*

Yeah but if you left home early who would make you cups of tea?

>>53343791
Ok I just reread my post and realized it wouldn't make sense to a foreigner.

Federal aid for student loans and grants is based almost solely on yours and your parents tax returns for the previous year. Expenses, your parents willingness to pay for college, are all not taken into account. This is filled out on what is called a FAFSA.

This fosters a culture among youths aged 18 - graduating college that they are still children because their sole source of money for college is almost entirely based on a factor out of their control (their parents finances the previous year). This can be disastrous if your parents make a decent amount and expect you to be independent (basically you have to go into major debt if you are cucked enough to go to a 4 year college), and if you are getting the money recommended from your parents by the government you are basically a child until you graduate.

Tell me if you have any more questions tbqhf

>>53343648
He bought it so it he could spend time with you.

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Being a neet is fucking cancer.

Being a useless part of the society is what makes neets kill themselves.

>>53344351
does it make you angry that you will have to support people like that with your tax moneyz?

southern euro are more family oriented, northern euro are cold and hate their parents in general

>>53344415
No, I've been getting that support as well.

If you envy the neets, then you should reconsider your own life, lol.

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>>53344351
>this is what wagecucks tell themselves
shouting laughter

>>53344545
>If you envy the neets
i fucking despise them, worthless shits

Lived at home until I was 23. It ruined my chances of dating, but I was able to save a decent amount of money which is nice

They just hate each other.

>>53344668
Then just let them enjoy their "life" :D

>>53343648
>“Today as always, men fall into two groups: slaves and free men. Whoever does not have two-thirds of his day for himself, is a slave, whatever he may be: a statesman, a businessman, an official, or a scholar.”
Well, I did the maths once, and believe me, people (in France) lucky enough to have a "full-time" steady job, actually just work one third (1/3) of their waking time. Sure, 7 hours may seem long in a 16 hours day (8 hours sleep), but,
- it's only 5 days a week
- holidays are 5 weeks per year minimum.

As for me, I'm not afraid of being a slave, I just want to work 1/3 like most people. (and last time I found an unsteady job, I accepted all the extra hours. Was fired eventually anyway. I once was a journalist working even on sundays and 11 hours on normal days, it was awesome to hear people complain, "you journalists, you never have time" ! Work = dignity, that's why people love it)

>>53344149
If I wasn't drunk and tired I'd like to ask more questions, because I'm highly interested in this subject. (once I was lucky enough to talk here on /int/ with an American working for the US student loan system)
I'm all for positive discrimination and everything (and equal opportunity policies), we have some of that too, like giving scholarships in proportion to the parents income declaration. Problem is, they have, like you said I think, to rely only on objective data, so they miss the most important. My father was a paranoid asshole dreaming about killing me, this is not taken into account by the government. He was very rich, so hey, I was considered by the government as somebody who deserves less help than my friends who were helped because parents with low income.

These big state-wide policies are all well and good, but in the end, it's just bureaucracy.

>>53332040
probably because they have far better infrastructures and far cheaper rented houses than any other ones have or just they are so rich. there are no such enriched and blessed shit to live anywhere in japan.

No family values. No normal parent would let their 13 yo son move away.
And money as well.

>>53344351
this.
one always hates one to whom one gives free money.
on one side, outsource unskilled work. On the other side, give charity and call it "welfare".
then whine about "muh terrorists"

>>53344877
>These big state-wide policies are all well and good, but in the end, it's just bureaucracy

This is why people who are against free higher education and healthcare are generally dumb.

An enormous administrative bureaucracy and state run college system is fine, but god forbid we get da ebil big gubmint giving people equal access to affordable education.

>>53332040
I was 5' at 13 how tf would I have been able to move out?

>>53345589
and now think of the perma-manlets...

>>53345647
Oh it didn't get much better, but still 13 is a child.

>>53344877
>once I was lucky enough to talk here on /int/ with an American working for the US student loan system

Oh I forgot to ask - what did he say?

dude all these nordics living in captivity make me sick, you wouldn't last a week in the wild

>>53332040
poor kid

so unloved by his own family

>>53337859
welcome to the real world, kid

I think that the fact that most finnish males enter military at the age of 18 or 19 can be seen from these statistics.

I remember when I left to the army I just left a note that I'm going to army and after that I've never slept more than two nights at my parents house. They moved my stuff to warehouse while I was in forest for 1,5 months fucking anthills as a subtle sign of "maybe you should move out".

>>53343448
This.