I didn't bomb their cities, neither did those women who were abused on New Year's, nor the people having their small local communities swarmed with immigrant strangers all at once. I know they can't go back to their own country, but that doesn't mean I want them all coming to mine.
>>53317882 >The West and their Wahabi allies destroyed SECULAR Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria. Take responsibility. what does this have to do with mostly men from none of those countries flooding europe
>>53317791 There were several plans to leave Germany in the post Cold War period. Amongst other things, the Germans came to the realization that the base closures would devastate the local economies so it's touch and go whenever it's brought up for discussion.
I personally have no problem with refugees or muslim immigrants, given that they try and put some efforts into respecting and assimilating into their host country and accepting european culture. If you immigrate to a another foreign culture, you either accept it or leave, you don't impose your backward culture onto your host country. If they do that, i have no problem with anyone. You come here, you learn our culture and our ways, if you don't like our culture, please leave.
>>53318012 >I heard a leftie say its because its a dangerous journey for the women and they are likely to be sexually assaulted It's funny as well because that would imply that staying in a war zone is safer.
>I was called a racist and told to fuck off with my white male privilege Lmao, glad that's not a thing here, yet anyway. Most people are extremely opposed to the "refugees"
>>53317107 >>53317107 most of the """""""""""""""refugees"""""""""""""" are not from siria and they are male refugees are typically female or families with children,often times the kids aren't their own but orphaned
>>53317999 Totally agree. I was watching a BBC bulletin on the whole Cologne incident today and they were interviewing an Iraqi Yazidi refugee living in Europe and he actually seemed like a genuinely good person who was just trying to get on with his life and worried about anti-refugee sentiments affecting his family.
I have no problem with these sort of refugees, who just want to build a proper life for themselves and mind their own business in accordance with their new country's norms, and I actually feel really bad for the backlash they're likely to suffer now.
>>53317107 >destroy people's countries America, Israel and their whole team of slaves put this shit on middle east, not Switzerland. >complain that they won't go home They can stay in their shithole or go to America for all I care, we're irrelevant in this so they shouldn't come.
Let's be clear...most every Western is okay with taking in refugees, to at least that nation's capacity. It's almost exclusively America (and perhaps Britain) which are being asshats about the whole deal.
>>53317887 we did nothing special to rebuild. we just didnt have an internal war and a religious problem. those shitholes in middle east, on the other hand, usually get BTFO by a religious/tribal civil war and themselves. that just makes the difference.
>>53318511 European countries are creating anti-refugee backlash by accepting too many without any checks. The only reason Cologne happened is German refugee policy and anti-refugee sentiment is a reasonable response to what happened. If Germans hadn't let anyone who wanted to come in do so while inviting the whole middle east over for a cheeky civilisation destroying gangbang.
There are absolutely people who deserve help, like Yazidis, gays, apostates but the existence of the good doesn't excuse the bad, on a people level and a policy level.
>>53318751 Plus money...didn't Japan get a shit tonne of funding after the war to rebuild and become a capitalist state in the Far East? These countries don't have anywhere near the same amount of money or recourses, nor the instituitons, to rebuild effectively.
>>53318770 The issue was where to hold them whilst carrying out those checks though. There were simply so many refugees that camps couldn't be built in time, and either way, no Eastern European nations was willing to host those refugees in the interim.
>>53319096 >doesn't really cast Britain in a good light.
Why the fuck not? Hardly anyone in Europe blames Brits for not taking in the savages from that Calais 'jungle'.. If anything it casts Europe in general and France specifically in a bad light, because they cannot even keep their own borders and truck drivers safe.
Maybe it's different in other countries, but even the most politically correct media in this country are not blaming the UK for not blindly letting in all those people massing together in Calais.
>>53319134 What, because your opinion is idiotic and you can't defend it? Get fucked m8.
>>53319145 But how is that ideology harming us? All the crimes that have been commited by refugees haven't been religious ones...assault, theft, Cologne, even the Paris attacks, were commited by evil people because they are fucked up people who's countries have been fucked up and are angry and take it out on who they've been told to blame, aka the West. Religion only plays a very minor role.
>>53319318 Stay in refugee camps in Jordan, Turkey etc. Tbf most aren't actually Syrian but that's for the SYrian ones, and the conditions in those camps are atrocious, so can't really blame them for wanting to gtfo.
As the other posters said, they need to abandon Islam. I am convinced that any serious research about religion will reveal that it is way less historically plausible than Christianity. Now if only Christians believed this too instead of bending over for their "fellow abrahamic friends" who want to destroy them.
>>53319326 >alleviate the guilt Yeah nah, get fucked. The UK doesn't belong to Arabs. Asylum is not a right, and hasn't been considered one until very recently. It's a privilege, and you're at the mercy of other countries deciding who they want to let in. Now we live in an age where countries are discouraged from keeping the gate. Because if a group of people you don't know walk up and ask you to let them through no questions asked, not trusting them might hurt their feelings.
>>53317967 Well it looked like if we didn't go fucking around then maybe Iran wouldn't have had the Islamic Revolution and instead the other guy and contineud with secularism, same with the other countries and eventually over time Islam would be abandoned.
We are reaping the fruits of our foreign policy. Fucking dickheads in charge don't care that we'll have to live in the world they elft us with.
>>53318841 those funding stories are often exaggerated and made up, especially on shitboards like /pol/. ive seen that even literal libtards proudly argued over it on an sjw board many times, but most of them were americans. the scientifically and statistically facts about it aside, now thats being a kind of a cheap heroic tale and a heroism for americans at least on the internet. its almost like a meme. you shouldnt swallow that shit. talking over it is being kinda like moral choice crap on games like "we are far superior to them, yes or no""we make them better, yes or no". and it never leads to a valid answer.
>>53320281 but you had a shit ton of funding the reason for that is that USA got into war with North Korea and in the case of Germany USA was watching over soviets expanding from Poland así la ciencia es fácil doesn't take away the fact that Near East is a conflictive shithole and alliances shift too fast so it's impossible to collaborate with them. so yeah it's their own doing
>>53319281 >But how is that ideology harming us? All the crimes that have been commited by refugees haven't been religious ones...assault, theft, Cologne, even the Paris attacks, were commited by evil people because they are fucked up people who's countries have been fucked up and are angry and take it out on who they've been told to blame, aka the West. Religion only plays a very minor role.
Kek. You're an imbecile.. Assuming this is not bait (you're British, after all): Why do you think these savages think nothing of assaulting women in groups? Because they were raised to believe women, especially non-muslim woman, are worth less than dirt, and are to be treated like whores when men so please.. I'd say that's a harmful ideology.
>>53319298 >The green party and the Guardian newspaper are blaming the government
Meh. The current happening doesn't seem to fit their narrative.. You se the same with certain fringe leftwing media here, as well as the usual activists & antifas.. The general concensus is that this is inexcusable though, and that it DOES have something to do with Islam or at least the cultural background of certain groups in our society.
>>53320531 >Article 14 of the UN Declaration on Human Rights. Explicitly outlines the right to asulym.
It doesn't say asylum in Britain though. Or even in Europe... Or the west.. Or even developed countries. It just says people are free to seek asylum from persecution, on the condition that it isn't contrary to acts or purposes of the UN's principles...
That's a lot of wiggle room for lawyers, governments and policies to simply deny asylum to the people in Calais.. After all, they aren't fleeing from persecution. They haven't been since leaving Syria and Iraq.. And that's assuming they're even from there, which they by and large are not.
>>53320672 But there are many Muslims who have changed and adapted aspects of their ideology, such as attitudes towards women, to a more Western one. A hundred years ago our attitudes towards women were just the same - it's a cultural thing, as well as in part a religious one, and so they are able to assimilate as has been shown.
True enough but Europe is closer, where else are you going to head to without money? Further into the Middle East, or Northern Africa where the war and conflict is just as bad?
>>53320798 >But there are many Muslims who have changed and adapted aspects of their ideology, such as attitudes towards women, to a more Western one. Clearly not enough of them. >A hundred years ago our attitudes towards women were just the same - it's a cultural thing, >A hundred years ago Wew lad. Wew. >as well as in part a religious one, and so they are able to assimilate as has been shown.
They are also able to act like complete savages, and media and politicians are able to completely ignore that fact, to not report on it and even when the stories break to do everything in their power to not link the acts of savagery with the cultural background of the perpetrators.. Even though there seems to be a link.
>True enough but Europe is closer, Closer than Jordan? Closer than Lebanon? Closer than Saudi Arabia? Closer than Turkey? And even if Europe is that close, why Germany over Hungary? Why Sweden over Denmark? Why not Italy or Greece? Are these people all persecuted in those states? No? -> No right to asylum under the UN declarations and treaties. > where else are you going to head to without money? >without money Pls. The ones without money are still stuck in Syria and Iraq. > Further into the Middle East, or Northern Africa where the war and conflict is just as bad? >Just as bad
It's about being raised in a culture and society where women are worth less than dirt. Where women are considered property without free will, that deserve sexual violence to happen to them when they don't cover themselves up..
>nice ad hominem What? I'm not even attacking personal people. I'm just saying that Muslims tend to come from backgrounds where savage ideas about women and the relationships between men and women are rampant... Whether you're looking at last New Year in Germany, or the Rotherham scandal, or the rampant incidents at swimming pools in the 90s in the Netherlands, the perpetrators of these sort of acts are almost all from a similar background..
Are you really saying that Islamic culture is big on womens rights? Even the most basic ones of all, such as 'the right not to be fucked against your will' ?
>>53321042 Jordan and Lebanon is where they've been staying for the last 4 years, in disgusting refugee camps. Jordan and Lebanon have accepted hundreds of thousands of refugees each. They've reached their capacity, unlike European states.
There is a right to asulym outlined by the UN, under article 14?
Hungary won't accept refugees, which frankly they should be doing and that fact is being debated in the EU atm.
No? ISIS, Afghanisation, Egypt, Libya. All aren't exactly in good shape rn.
Because we don't owe them shit, and they're a dangerous liability. I'm not wholly against strictly women and children coming but any fighting age male should either be still there fighting to fix his country, or rather he has bad intentions.
>>53321109 They're entirely relevant, how are they not? You can't reject an entire group of people if the massive majority is innocent, unless you're an idiot or have no sense of morality, and considering this is 4chan, the latter is more likely.
Those 700 apparantly thrived in an environment where their ideas were not discouraged.. Where their ideas are, even now, not denounced or rejected publicly and widely. It's a simple reality that Islam provides radicals, fringe groups and angsty teens with a fertile ground for savagery and violence. And experience has shown us that the 'peaceful majority' is either indifferent or outright supportive of the radical elements in their religion..
>>53321191 Wouldn't it be more fit if you blame the culture and society instead? Like lack of education and shits? Saying religion is the main issue of rape problems is stupid. Pakistan has the lowest rape cases
>>53317462 This. I will personally quarter a legit refugee under 3 conditions: >observe standard hygiene practices >don't view me and all westerners as enemies >if employed, don't send money back to snackbars
>>53321217 >Jordan and Lebanon is where they've been staying for the last 4 years, in disgusting refugee camps. Safe & not persecuted. Is the disgusting jungle in Calais preferrable? >Jordan and Lebanon have accepted hundreds of thousands of refugees each. They've reached their capacity, unlike European states. Europeans should support the neighboring states to increase their capacity, rather than bring those people here.. It's literally no good for anyone. Not for the European states, because our welfare states will literally go bankrupt if too many people that have not contributed to it make use of it's facilities..Not for the states they're leaving, because the ones that end up in western Europe tend to take vast amounts of money (and sometimes knowledge) with them from their countries, leaving them dirt poor and not for the people fleeing, because they'll end up in countries where they don't speak the language, don't fit the culture and where their diplomas and experience (if they even have any) are likely considered worthless... Literally nobody will get better from accepting all these people in Western Europe.
>Hungary won't accept refugees, which frankly they should be doing and that fact is being debated in the EU atm.
Even for Hungary it's debatable whether or not the people that reach Hungary are _really_ in such pressing need.. The fact that they made it that far implies they were healthy and wealthy, and their persecution stopped as soon as they left the warzones they fled. If they actually DID flee a war zone, because many did not...
>No? ISIS, Afghanisation, Egypt, Libya. All aren't exactly in good shape rn.
And because of that, Western Europe is obliged to take them all in? Never mind the cost, never mind reason, just let them all in.. Because their region is in worse shape than ours.. Sure. What could possibly go wrong?
>>53321392 >Wouldn't it be more fit if you blame the culture and society instead? Islamic culture and Islamic society >Like lack of education and shits? Most Jihadis that grew up in Europe were also educated in Europe.. Some of them at universities, and if they weren't, that's on them. These people were given all opportunities, and could have aspired to become anything... And they chose to be savages. >Saying religion is the main issue of rape problems is stupid. Pakistan has the lowest rape cases I'm saying the culture in general. And it's a simple fact that Islam is a backwards, savage ideology when it comes to sexuality and the treatment of women..
>pakistan Isn't that one of those places where they stone rape victims for adultery? No shit their reported rates are low...
>>53321286 Im not the guy you weer answering to, but when you think about it, peaceful majority doesnt really matter if they dont do anything. I would say that majority of germans werent nazis or believed in the ideology at least early, but that hardly mattered. Majority of russians werent ruthless killers of their own people, but stalin and his regime still happened. Majority of japs most likely werent really overjoyed with slaughtering the chinese, but they didnt really do anything to stop it. Majority of chinese etc. And these are just from 20th century. Im not saying that all muslims are radicals and want the sharia law (but huge part of them are when compared to european christians). It is just a possibility that this will go pretty badly for europe, despite the fact that the majority might be peaceful.
We owe them nothing. You seem to think theres some moral obligation to take them in.
And ofcourse most muslims are good people, but thats only because most people are good people. That still has nothing really do with islam as all the good muslims dont follow islamic law. If they did, they wouldnt be good people, but neck splitting savages. But muslims do have an unprecedented number of bad apples and it all boils down to islam. Islam encourages violence, segregation and incest, and these three are the big reasons behind the bad apples.
And dont try to deny it, muhammad was a warlord with bloodlust for disbelievers and a child and his own cousin as wives.
>>53321687 >And they chose to be savages. They have this idea that you can be in a place, be accepted by it, but not assimilate into its culture. When they're not accepted, they become disenfranchised and resentful. It's like trying to pedal a bike with your hands, failing, and deciding that the bike should be destroyed.
>>53321687 >Islamic culture and Islamic society Yeah, that's why it happened frequently here. Just saw a 5yo girl being raped yo >Most Jihadis that grew up in Europe were also educated in Europe.. Some of them at universities, and if they weren't, that's on them. These people were given all opportunities, and could have aspired to become anything... And they chose to be savages. We talked about rape problem before, now jihadist is different case, read an article about this somewhere, being an immigrant isn't easy, you either love or hate your new home, and sure fucked teaching of Islam contributed there, can't deny that >I'm saying the culture in general. And it's a simple fact that Islam is a backwards, savage ideology when it comes to sexuality and the treatment of women.. C'mere senpai ;) Different region, differenr interpretation, different culture
>Isn't that one of those places where they stone rape victims for adultery? No shit their reported rates are low... That ain't a reason, it could be they don't rape because they affraid being stoned
>>53321640 >Y-you know that not all liberals are as deluded as these college-aged SJW retards, r-right? Hard to tell as this is not some college SJW narrative, this is shit that you can spot in the mainstream media and even parroted by politicians.
For the record, I don't want Women and Kids either, I want no one, they can go to other stable neighbouring Arab states and stay there.
>inb4 they already do Great, the rest can join them then. The best you can convince me to do is to send some aid to those Arab states such as Jordan while forcing the Saudis, Kuwait, Emirates, etc to take them in.
>>53322273 >Yeah, that's why it happened frequently here. Just saw a 5yo girl being raped yo Are you trying to imply that because you've never experienced or witnessed it, there can be nothing wrong with your culture or religion? Because you'd be awfully wrong if you were...
>We talked about rape problem before, now jihadist is different case, read an article about this somewhere, being an immigrant isn't easy, you either love or hate your new home, and sure fucked teaching of Islam contributed there, can't deny that Yes, we were talking about rape before. But savagery is savagery.. I could also talk about the many incidents with Muslims assaulting girls in swimming pools in the 90s in the Netherlands? Also perpetrated by kids born, raised and schooled here... It's just that there's little you can do to combat the retarded ideology their parents feed into them. >C'mere senpai >Different region, differenr interpretation, different culture Kek. Atjeh is literally under Sharia law as we speak, is it not? I'll stay here, thanks... We already have bami, nasi and sambal anyway. >That ain't a reason, it could be they don't rape because they affraid being stoned I think you misunderstand. They stone the women that are raped.. So rape victims are not very encouraged to report rape.
>>53321286 Did the majority of the British wanted to genocide the Boers? Did the majority of Russians wanted to genocide Ukranians? Did the majority of Japanese wanted to genocide the Chinese? Did the majority of Germans wanted to genocide the Slavs?
Guys I honestly don't get it. If entire fucking countries of people are being terrorized, why the fuck don't they get sick of it and just rise up all together? Surely they could all form a massive militia of some sorts to defend their cities and towns. It seems like these muslims just sit there and fucking take the bombs and then cower away in fear. mean I'm probably being retarded right now but it just seems like eventually the people would break and just flip the terrorists shit.
>>53322716 I mean the report cases of rape here isn't as high as in Europe, mideast and sea culture isn't same. Islam isn't just one ideology in the first place 1st generartion immigrants used to well-behaved cause they know how shit their home was.. till these days I think, but that's after ISIS Why are you assuming me I'm living in Aceh? Like I said before, different region, different culture
>I think you misunderstand. They stone the women that are raped.. So rape victims are not very encouraged to report rape. What? Got proof for me to read? That's turbo rettardation they got there
>>53323104 >I mean the report cases of rape here isn't as high as in Europe, mideast and sea culture isn't same.
And I mean that if you report rape a female in any Islamic country, your worth as a woman (already less than human, generally) is basically) turns to 0 over night.
>Islam isn't just one ideology in the first place Nope. But it's all backwards, outdated and at times straight up savage.
>1st generartion immigrants used to well-behaved cause they know how shit their home was.. Who are you event talking about? First generation immigrants in Europe? They are generally not Syrian or Iraqi m8...
>Why are you assuming me I'm living in Aceh? Like I said before, different region, different culture
I'm not. I'm just saying Indonesia is already too far gone for my tastes.
>>53323104 >What? Got proof for me to read? That's turbo rettardation they got there
Pakistan: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/17/world/in-pakistan-rape-victims-are-the-criminals.html Article about the phenomenon of women being stoned world wide: http://mic.com/articles/68431/women-around-the-world-are-being-stoned-to-death-do-you-know-the-facts#.niqaqBARw
Prison for raped women in Pakistan: http://www.opentrial.org/unjust-process/item/100-jailing-the-raped-in-pakistan
>>53322377 That's all fair. Your country and its population are tiny. The US, a country of immigrants and refugees, is not in the same position, however. >>53322474 Their arrogance and inability to perceive their bias as anything other than an objective right doesn't allow for innovative, liberal approaches to life. And that bike is fucking dumb, bro.
>>53325305 Just pay poor African shitholes to take all refugees, refugee just means safety away from the war which they would all receive in nice big EU paid for camp in Nigeria, or Angola etc. Once the war in over we'd even pay to fly them back to Syria. If this is what we actually shit there would be no moroccans claiming to be Syrian.
>>53325363 >just let in the ones who can actually speak Levantine Arabic.
That's what we do.. Except even when you find out that the person you're dealing with is not actually who they say they are and are not from where they say they're from... You cannot deport them anywhere, because International Law doesn't allow just dumping people over the border. Not to mention what Germany and Belgium would say if we started doing that...
>>53324024 >And I mean that if you report rape a female in any Islamic country, your worth as a woman (already less than human, generally) is basically) turns to 0 over night. Not in this Islamic side but I think you wouldm't believe me anyway >Nope. But it's all backwards, outdated and at times straight up savage. We can maintain good relation with other religions here, but you probably wouldn't believe me anyway >Who are you event talking about? First generation immigrants in Europe? They are generally not Syrian or Iraqi m8... I mean immigrants before recently (except from Morocco I guess) Turks behave well, Islam isn't only practiced by Arabs >I'm not. I'm just saying Indonesia is already too far gone for my tastes. Stay ignorant if you think whole Indonesia is like Aceh
>Are you seriously telling me you have never heard of this happening in the Islamic world? I didn't know about this stuff but I know that they behave like savage anyway. Yet I saw that from the link you gave to me it mentioned that a shia cleric banned the practice of stoning, so your argument that says all interpretation of Islam is backwards and lead to savagery isn't true
And there's no stoning here (except for Aceh) so if you group all Islam onto one isn't so wise
>>53325705 Stump up the money first. That's the reason why so many of them are coming now, because they sold all their shit and survived off their savings, then it ran out, so they fled to the EU because they can't work in Jordan, Turkey, or Lebanon.
Don't get me wrong, I don't hate all Islam or Muslims or anything. I just don't like it, and if it were up to me we wouldn't have a single trace of the ideology here in Europe, or even the world.. But that's just me. I know there are varying degrees of Islam, and different denominations, but unfortunately the moderates and the Shia never really made it big in Europe, so we're stuck with backwards Sunni Muslims more often than not..
>>53326396 > thousands with the goal of carving out an Islamic state throughout the world > implying that's a realistic goal
They cannot even fight the Kurds or Alawites m80. The only military success Daesh ever had was Mosul and it wasn't even a victory, the "Iraqi army" soldiers just fled the scene and left the town for 1000 something Daesh activists to enter.
> that feel when no Ottoman or Abbasid superpower to rally against
>>53317621 >Merkel gets to invite niggers to my country. no. I for one am glad we have some of the strictest asylum laws in Europe (which the Government is tightening again in the recent Immigration Bill)
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