Why is America so much stronger/bigger than Australia? >both

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>>53266088
Natural resources; usefulness of land. Next question?

>>53266088

more people, that's pretty much it

Freedom

>>53266088
>brag about muh freedom
>get quadrillions of immigrants
>get strong

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Because Americans understand that freedom ain't free

>>53266088
Like >>53266166 said

America was simply closer for european migration than Australia.

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slavery

>>53266088
Proximity to Motherland. More immigrants > More people > Bigger economy

>much more geographically diverse, resource rich, massive swaths of arable land
>had a higher population at time of founding
>received more European immigrants
>isn't 80% uninhabitable desert
>pushed its indigenous people away instead of breeding with them
>got independence much earlier and grew up with a more individualistic spirit that encouraged pioneers of all sorts and rapid growth

>>53266088
>>founded around the same time

jesus christ you are retarded

>founded
stupid google it should be found

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>founded around the same time

>>53266166
>>53266216
>>53266220
US has a bigger population because it can support far more people than Australia. Most of Australia is inhospitable/unusable. The US, on the other hand, is like half of the world's breadbasket.

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I can't imagine why people didn't want to immigrate to australia

>>53266088
>comparing independence to our first landing

Uhhhhhh no. If you want a fair comparison, we got independence in 1901. So that's 1901 vs 1776.

Or you could compare dates of first settlement, which would be 1788 vs ~1600.

Learn some fucking history, drop kick.

>>53266402
Part of me wishes New Holland became a real thing in the 1600s. We would have had time to develop a stronger sense of identity by now and wouldn't be such push over cucks for multiculturalism

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>>53266387
Or America

>>53266402
All I did was google founding dates, no need to get so violently autistic and start foaming at the mouth.

>>53266452
We would definitely be in a better position if the Dutch had colonised us, and the Dutch language would probably be actually relevant if they had... provided we had a bigger population boom too. The Dutch just made a lot of terrible mistakes, and we suffered because of it -- stuck with shitty Anglo culture.

If 90% of Australia wasn't a desert with dangerous animals it would have potential.

>>53266088
>>both countries around the same size

wrong

also your massive desert

also resources, land, agriculture, who settled there etc etc

>>53266114
I'm glad some people are smart enough to attribute success to its actual cause.

>>53266452
>>53266559
The Dutch didn't colonise, though. Even South Africa wasn't a Dutch colony, the Dutch people there just kinda showed up independently of their government.

>>53266559
Sometimes I wonder what the US would be like if the French had won the Seven Years War.

>>53266640
this, we were just in it for the profits like the jew merchants we are.

America got the dominant genes while Australia got all of the recessive ones.

Retards went to America while convicts were sent to Australia.

>>53266385
>half of the world's breadbasket
no, that's india
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_producing_countries_of_agricultural_commodities

>>53266763
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>>53266874
Hey don't be rude, at least put a Tigger Warning on your post.

>>53266809
In fairness, the US gubment pays a lot of farmers NOT to grow anything.

>>53266930
Why?

>>53267035
IIRC they're subsidies to keep agro products at a steady price.

>>53267073
They're not payments not to farm though, they're payments not to continuously farm the same crop and degrade the soil quality. Farmers can grow other crops in those off-years.

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>>53266088
>the country that has more immigrants is more powerful

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>>53266640
>>53266719
That's sort of my point. They made stupid mistakes because they were just interested in being rich, but now look where it's gotten them? Their culture and language are irrelevant in the modern world, and when water levels rise due to climate change, their whole country is going to be swept into the sea, and their culture and language will sink with it. Poor Holland.

>>53266088
Smaller population, less resources, less hospitable environment. Australia would probably be pretty similar to the US if it had ended up with a larger population.

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>>53267137
Uhh yeaaah, of course.

>>53266577

As much as Yanks meme about Australia the US is full of just as many deadly creatures, you have shit like bears, cougars, ground parasites, blacks, snakes, mountain lions, crocs and not to mention the hundreds of different spiders, scorpions and other assorted insects.

Maybe you should stick to "upside down XDDD" or something

>>53266454
If a few dead kindergarteners is enough to keep you away from the land of the free, you don't have what it takes anyway.

>>53267218
Well to be fair when a country has a venomous mammal and a venomous bird it's hard not to meme about it.

>>53267275
>land of the free
>kindergarteners can't even CC

>>53267073

If your govt didn't hand out farming subsidies your agricultural sector would be dead

>>53267135
Not exactly. The USDA has given payment to farms that haven't grown anything for years.

http://gao.gov/products/GAO-12-640

>>53267444
>0.15 percent of farms

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>>53267296
This is why there should be no gun free zones

>>53267578
Well, a "gun free zone" only means you can't carry guns unless authorised to do so. I listened to a BBC radio programme the other day about them.

The analysis from some professor type somewhere in the South was that the best protection for schools was a gun free zone with a single permanently designated firearms officer who would respond to everything.

The risk of too many guns was people could either not respond ("someone else will do it"), they'll respond inappropriately (shoot another responder), or get shot by the police.

Too many cooks spoil the broth and whatnot.

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>>53266088
We're a desert. With that in mind, it's remarkable we've managed to thrive as we have done.

The USA is home to the largest agricultural region in the world; the Midwest; obviously this can sustain a much higher population that the entirety of Australia ever could. America could comfortably reach 1 billion people and not break a sweat, we could barely handle anything above 50 million.

Also; those dates are deceptive. 1776 was the year America declared it's independence from Britain; by then it was already a large and thriving nation. In 1788 Australia had barely been discovered; the extent of the settlement was a few prison camps around Sydney harbour.

because we didn't let the irish/catholic church run us into the ground

the vatican is the greatest cancer on civilization to exist

>>53266088
Its closer to yurup so all their poor niggas came here.

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>>53268257

>>53266237
>>53266335
Founded is correct fucking idiots

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>>53266088
Why is USA so much better than us even tho we have a bigger landmass, have more resources, have no deserts and have healthcare?

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>>53267749
BBC don't know shit

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2014/09/06/texas-school-district-arms-teachers-and-posts-warning-signs/

>>53268257

Just terraform m8, imagine all the desert turned into farmland

>>53268366
The Australian was referring to the fact that you were founded a fair bit before that.

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>>53267152
>but now look where it's gotten them

at the top of the HDI and GDP per capita lists m8

as for the flooding, you should worry more about your cuckstamp owner

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>>53268395
Because we believe in God

>>53268409
Nope, it would unleash a domino effect and irreversibly change the climate in the temperate regions, thus fucking us over completely.

Terraforming could be possible in some parts of the Sahara, which is completely devoid of life and not connected to important population centres (unlike our desert).

>>53268407
...uhhh... Your point is?

>>53266088
>do i want to spend three months at sea or a year?

>>53268490
more like
>am I anglo?

if not you literally couldn't come

>>53268484

How would the climate change fuck you over? Surely nothing is worse than what you already have. It's not like Aus was always a desert

>>53268418
Oh, my bad

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>>53268486
>The analysis from some professor type somewhere in the South was that the best protection for schools was a gun free zone with a single permanently designated firearms officer who would respond to everything.

>The risk of too many guns was people could either not respond ("someone else will do it"), they'll respond inappropriately (shoot another responder), or get shot by the police.


That there are already some schools with guns in them, have been since 2008

>>53268523
somewhat racist tbph

>>53268490
>do i want to spend three months at sea or a year?
uwot? It didn't take a year to sail here.

One of my ancestors was on this ship:

>barque San Francisco, 800 tons, Captain C.S. Kramer, from Hamburg 23rd June 1850, arrived at Port Adelaide, South Australia 14th October 1850
>June - October

http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/sanfrancisco1850.shtml

>>53268581
>That there are already some schools with guns in them
No shit, that's what I said.

>>53268584
If it hadn't have existed we'd be closer to your levels of diversity, which I think is too much. A little is fine, but I've seen the changes that take place when the host culture is no longer dominant, and that's not an Australia I'd like to live in.

>>53266088
America had been colonised for centuries before the founding of the country while Australia was founded at the same time when colonisation started.

>>53268395

because you're british

Because the US has freedom and democracy, which Australia lacks

>>53268706
>No shit, that's what I said.
Nope
This is what you said
>The risk of too many guns was people could either not respond ("someone else will do it"), they'll respond inappropriately (shoot another responder), or get shot by the police.
>Too many cooks spoil the broth and whatnot.

>>53268806
liberate australia when

>>53268832
please don't. we'll end up with a shiter government and flag

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>>53268813
Nope.
>Well, a "gun free zone" only means you can't carry guns unless authorised to do so.
>unless authorised to do so

What I said after was about best practice.

>>53266088
Gee, the only son to tell dad to go fuck himself is the man of the house now.

>>53266088
Probably the 300,000,000 more people that the USA has.

>>53268961
It's not our fault that people want to live in a relevant country.

only men could colonise australia

USA has a shitload of German immigrants. Underrated amount tbqh.
Australia was founded by shitty britcucks.

>>53268992
Yeah can't fault them there.

Someone should tell the Indonesian boat people how irrelevant we are, they deserve to live with freedom please take them from us.

>>53266645
Better

>>53268992
No, settling in the USA in the early days was much easier than settling in Australia.

>>53268992
brb going to pray to the mosque

>>53266088
>why is a country of 320 million people stronger than a country with 23 million people

really makes you say "hmm"

>>53268285
Mehmet my son.

>>53268395
Because most of the US doesn't require the use of full body winter wear.

>>53269163

I'm Lutheran.

the papacy is the reason why your country is a tiny island, while the UK defacto runs the world

Maybe because 90% of Australia is a fcking uninhabitable desert

>>53269217

only in the sunbelt (the area from california to texas and florida)

>>53269268
That, and the enormous population disparity.

Gee, it's almost like there's a running theme in this thread...

>>53269274

that didn't stop las vegas from growing

however australia is full of soft cunts that won't let queen rinehart dig them an interior sea

>>53269328
This. Aussies are pussys who can't into agrarian culture.

>>53269268

We do? That seems like the kind of information we'd need to know.

>>53269328
We didn't need a Las Vegas, we're not puritans who banned gambling.

>>53269328
There is no Rio Grande here.

>>53269381

>london
>not the center of the world

>>53266088
26 January 1788 is when the colony of New South Wales was founded, and 4 July 1776 is when the Declaration of Independence was signed. You're comparing two different things.

First colony founded:
>Australia – 26 Jan 1788 (NSW)
>U.S. – 26 Apr 1607 (Jamestown)

Became a country:
>Australia – 1 Jan 1901
>U.S. – 4 Jul 1776

>>53269642

I love my country but it would be delusional to think that the USA is not 100 times more important globally speaking than Britain

>>53269639
There's no rio here. The largest sections of river are downright mediocre compared to the average river literally everywhere else.

>>53268466
While I agree the U.S. was founded and built on Christianity (whether it was declared or not), that is a misattributed quote.

>>53268395

>no deserts

What do you call NWT then?

>>53266387

That picture was taken in the US.

Orb spiders can get very large. They are very common in the south east and are harmless to humans.

>>53268584
Welcome to Australian history
Revisionist lefties, feel free to take as many tissues as you need

>>53269711
London is more important than any one American city m8

>>53269328
What part of "fucking uninhabitable" don't you understand?
Central Australia isn't the Mojave Desert.

>>53266601
Nothing to do with population. Nothing at all.

>>53269944
It's about equal to NYC I'd say

>>53269742
I'm drunk as shit. It's the Colorado river, not the Rio Grande.

The Murray-Darling has been fucked because of awful policy and greedy farmers.

That's the big secret in NSW and QLD though. Just like the massive amount of natural gas reserves that should have been for our states that are now being hocked to Shell (BG or QGC formerly) for domestic supply purposes.

Fuck this country. Every fucking person who worked and believed in this fuckign place is out of a job and the foreign fucking leeches are earning 6 figures here. The US wouldn't let this shit stand for a second.

>>53269944
Not New-York or Washington.

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>>53269869
Proofs.

>>53268395
but USA is better than the whole world. Canada isn't an exception.

>>53270023
Washington? What the fuck m8?

>>53270020
>The US wouldn't let this shit stand for a second.
...

>>53270053
Political power.

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>>53269328
>las vegas
>"desert"

cute

>>53270020
>The US wouldn't let this shit stand for a second.
It's even worse over there you dolt

>>53270077
If DC was suddenly evacuated and demolished they could simply move all of the political shit elsewhere. You cant do the same thing for NY or London with their economies

>>53270020
>The US wouldn't let this shit stand for a second.
erm well they would and they do.

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>>53270020
>The US wouldn't let this shit stand for a second.

>>53270158
Yes, but right now, it's all in Washington so the city is currently more important than London.

>>53270252
Thats pretty stupid reasoning to be honest. I wouldnt argue that the same thing for London either, or for other countries.

>>53270252
The power rests with the politicians, not with the buildings. They're in Washington half the time, and in their constituencies half the time. They don't suddenly stop making political deals when they go home, they're already quite capable of operating remotely.

>>53270252

I refuse to accept a city we burnt down is more important than London, sorry m8

>>53270072
>>53270128

>it's worse over there

There isn't a single foreign company getting a piece of the US Shale boom without employing US workers as their majority workforce. The Americans, like the Arabs or the Iranians or the Europeans or the Russians force companies to hire their people as the majority. The only place they get away with fucking over the local population is here.

The whole genesis of the US Shale boom was fracturing which was pioneered by Halliburton, Baker and SLB. ALL OF THESE COMPANIES HIRE AMERICANS OVER ANY OTHER NATIONALITY.

Being stupid Australians, probably graduates from Universities that fuck their own kind to produce a bunch of manufactured 'genius' graduates at the expense of an entire grade so the teaching staff can keep their jobs because they don't get grants because their work sucks and somehow they have to convince someone upstairs that their job needs to be maintained.

Being from the dumbest, 'advanced' country on the planet, you wouldn't have a fucking clue about this.

Just get your 7 or 8 figure mortgage and shut the fuck up. Hopefully you know what train to jump in front of when the inevitable crash comes and your whore wife with your kids leaves for the next dumb rich dipshit comes along.

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>>53270456
Whatever you say m8

>>53270443
It's been a while since 1814. They're the big guys now.

>>53269981
>>53270091

>being a soft cunt

rinehart could dig out a sea level ocean

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>>53270456
So which companies are majority-foreign workers?

I'll make it even easier, which are a quarter or more foreign workers?

...I'll wait.

>>53270687
She couldn't even dig a shallow trench. It would cost many times our entire annual GDP to build this bullshit inland sea idea you yanks seem to love, I just don't get it. It would hardly affect the rainfall, there's no mountain ranges there to trigger it, hence why it's desert in the first place.

Australia doesn't even lift.

>>53270570
>i'm projecting

If you are doing an engineering degree or another degree related to the mining industry I'd pay a monthly rate for a webcam to be installed in your parents house providing you'd sign a release so I can sell the footage to the networks here for their sensationalist shit about mining boom destroying families.

If you are interested put an email in the reponse field.

>>53270711
Are you seriously asking this question or is this a joke?

>>53270628

London is an economic, historic and culturual giant orders of magnitude greater than Washington, it's not even a contest, the only city on the planet that is it's equal is New York

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>>53270935
>ar- ...are u srs anon?
>[stalling for time intensifies]
Go on then...

>>53270935
You come off as a paranoid/mentally ill wackjob твh

better geographic location to conduct trade? USA has europe to the east, south america to the south, and asia to the west to trade with. australia basically has indonesia and china

>>53271039
>stalling

I actually expected someone with an opinion to be connected to this industry in some way rather than someone on the internet that knows nothing.

Do you live in WA, NT, SA or QLD?

Do you frequent the mining bars or do you know anyone who actively works in the mining industry?

Do you study a degree which puts you in a social setting with the mining industry which would give you a rational opinion on where the mining or oil/gas industry is and who populates it?

Or are you some internet dipshit who knows nothing about this industry and because you are on 4chan and you are 'Australian' in it entitles you to an opinion on something you know nothing about?

>>53266088
Australia is a prison island.

>>53271173
>WHY CAN'T I HOLD ALL THIS STALLING?!!

You still haven't named a single company that employs at least a quarter foreign workers.

>>53271181
Kinda rich coming from an American. You know the Brits sent their prisoners to you before they sent them here, right?

>>53266088
America is filled is BIG BLACK BULLS with royal heritage that have been instrumental in making America the country it is today

I'm almost sure that it's giant spiders fault.

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>>53271155
this is the real reason. pic related shows the major trade routes and the american naval fleets location

no other country controls so much trade and has such a naval dominance. since trade occurs through the oceans, and the USA controls most the oceans: it controls a lot of the world economy

>>53271241
Schlumberger
Halliburton
Baker Hughes
Exxon
Chevron
BHP - Petroleum Division
Weatherford
Apache

That's just O/G companies prior to 2013.

Do you want me to start with ore companies or can you get the fucking point that you are out of your league here?

>>53271415
Sources plz.

>>53271470
Go on LinkedIn and check for yourself.

I'm certain that this site will have a problem with me posting names that haven't given their approval.

You just have to search the company name plus Australia. You'll see very quickly that there are a handful of people who graduated from Australian Universities to work for the Australian operating branch.

If you are really interested you could go and look for their press releases which talks about their global workforces that explicitly state how many workers they want to hire here and there.

But, that's too much work for you, I know.

>>53271610
>LinkedIn
That's not a source.

>>53271654
What is then?

What do I have to do to satisfy you?

Would I be right in assuming you are some scared, insecure kid who actually is very close to this industry that doesn't like what I am writing here?

>>53271720
You're the one sounding like a scared and insecure kid m8

Massively larger population, plus significantly better resource supply. Most of your country is marginally inhabitable, whereas we produce damn near everything.

>>53271610
LinkedIn isn't comprehensive or trustworthy enough to be counted as a source.
He's looking for some kind of index or survey on the issue.
Obviously you can't provide proof if you're basically telling him to go and find it himself.

>>53271807
You are the smartest guy here.

I hope you the best.

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>>53266874
DELETE THIS NOW!!!!!

>>53271720
LinkedIn is a social networking site. It is not representative of the workforce, as it only represents the people who choose to sign up for it.

I want a breakdown, even just a simple percentage breakdown of national vs. foreign workers. From an authoritative source.

It's your responsibility to provide it, because you're the one making ridiculous claims, which are clearly based on your own (job) insecurities, personal biases, and anecdotes.

In summary: you're (probably) full of shit.

>>53271971
well, that was a bit underwhelming.

>>53272011
>I want a breakdown, even just a simple percentage breakdown of national vs. foreign workers. From an authoritative source.

Why would they need to give it? It isn't like the government mandates them to actually give numbers based on who is employed in what. LinkedIn in sadly the best indicator and even that is an underestimate of what the real numbers are.

>you're the one making ridiculous claims, which are clearly based on your own (job) insecurities, personal biases, and anecdotes.

I have some experience with your industry. Obviously I'm not still there because if I were I'd be offering every one of you jobs or internships right now.

>i'm full of shit

Find out for yourself then.

>>53272312
Cool, so you don't actually know what you're talking about, you could've just said that to begin with.

AUSSIE FIGHT
AUSSIE FIGHT
AUSSIE FIGHT

>Aussie threads triggering Aussies
Beautiful

>>53266088
>>53266088
>99% of Australia is a barren wasteland
>America was built on slavery

thats the reason 2bh senpai. The again if you'd picked your own fucking cotton you guys would have a lots less problems today