>mfw it's -20C and all our trains stopped working

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>mfw it's precisely 0C and won't dip below that for the rest of the winter

beautiful landscape

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Ours have problems when the line gets too hot.

>>53264892
Okay there Southern Ontario

>>53264999
other side of the country m8

How the fuck does -20 make all your shit stop working?
You are FINLAND

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>tfw you will never live in a freezing shithole
just fuck my life lads

>>53264849
How? It's -23C here in Kostroma. Everything works fine.

>>53265027
That's the question I have been asking our train customer support today.

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>>53264849
>-20
>trains stopped working

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>>53264849
>>53265027
Seriously, what the fuck?
That a disgrace.

You are a shame to the snownigger nations

>>53264892
Meanwhile in the American Southwest its 2C. Why did Ibbother leaving the midwest again?

>>53265106
It's literally the green people's fault. If we used diesel instead of electricity for powering trains there woudlnt be any problems

>>53265154
I think they stop using them because the air in the hydraulics is frozen.

>>53264849
Doesn't it get that cold every year? The part of the Midwest where I grew up saw -20 for a week or two every year and everything was fine. At -25C or -30C though they would cancel school so kids wouldnt be at the bus stop outside for a half hour in the frigid cold.

>>53265239
never thought of that, the air pressure in any systems would drop a lot under intense cold. Today I learned something.

What kind of locomotives do your passenger lines use?

>>53265239
How the fucking fuck can hydraulics be a problem in 2016? Perkele VR

>>53265275
Italian Pendolino

>>53265027
>buy trains made in central and southern Europe
>expect them to work in sub -15C weather or in heavy snow

I sure love EU legislation requiring us to take the lowest bid.

>>53265027
The truth is that Finland normally doesn't get very cold in the winter and our train network is really bad with breakdowns and delays being common.

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>>53265260
That's an engineering problem, not rocket science. You heat it or pump more air to restore pressure. Or just design the system around it.
After operating trains for a century you'd expect that kind of problems to be solved

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>>53264849
>tfw can't have trains bc of this shitty island
>tfw I love trains

I'll never be a rail conductor.

Majority of trains are working fine but when one goes bust, everyone else gets delayed.

>>53265418
;_; seriously the truck driver didn't even look for trains???

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>>53265419
Pretty good BBC documentary about the Trans-Siberian railroad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqFMGEuMP1o

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>>53265486
He did though, the road was too slippery to break timely.

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Helb
I can't even go outside to get some cigs

>>53265313
develop your own train industry then, lazy cunts

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>>53265691
Time to quit.

>>53265761

We had, then some Spanish cunts bought it and decided that winters are just conspiracy. Instead of usual buy license for something and adjust design for local conditions, they simply disbanded most of their engineering department and pushed their own shit designed for southern European conditions.

>>53266058
then buy it again, free market m8

cu.cking smaller EU countries is always fun as fuck

>>53264849
>-20C and all our trains stopped working
Look on the bright side, lots of refugees are now deep frozen as well

>>53265761
Like the Fira

>>53266058
what a bunch of cucks

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>>53265691
>Omsk!

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>>53266486

>>53265154
>It's literally the green people's fault. If we used diesel instead of electricity for powering trains there woudlnt be any problems

There is still plenty of diesel locomotives in use. Dr16's on non-electrified tracks for both freight and passenger traffic. Older,smaller and slower Dr14's still used for shunting work. Replacement of is supposed to start within this decade. I wonder what kind of abomination that ends up being.

>>53266125
>cu.cking smaller EU countries is always fun as fuck

Fuck you too for Pendolino... forced upon us by FIAT and EU court, because having local climate conditions is against principles of EU.

>>53265154
Our trolleybuses work fine just fine at -20, I don't think electricity is the issue.

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>>53264849
>-20C and all our trains stopped working
I don't believe you

>>53266627
The miracles of free market and Italian trains!

>>53265691

I cycled 5km yesterday in that temperature, man up

>>53266641
>>53266563
stay cucked, ikea

>>53266641
Which company has manufactured them

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>>53265288
>Italian Pendolino
>>53266058
>shit designed for southern European conditions
>>53266125
>free market m8
There is no free market for government contracts in the EU, Luigi.
>>53266563
>forced upon us by FIAT and EU court
>>53266641
>free market and Italian trains!
>pic related

EU law and Altmark criteria in practise...

>>53264849
Our trains never worked to begin with so we're not affected.

>>53266898
>There is no free market for government
wrong, for gov contracts is required a pan-european competion

not our fault if your train companies get outcompeted ;)

>tfw it's always 26 to 30c here

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>tfw it's 40c and the trains ac stops working while surrounded by teenage girls on school hoilday

>>53265239
>the air in the hydraulics
you mean liquid

>>53267019

>What is free market

Bait, or just silly?

>>53267188
>wants free market but not competition

K E K

entitled whiny cunts are funny af

>>53264849
I love freezing winters. Kyllä Suomessa pitää kylmä olla! EI KUNNON MEHTÄ MIÄS PAKKASTA PELKÄÄ KJEH KJEH!!!! =)))))) OOKKONÄÄ JOKU VITUN AISAN KANNATTAJA HINTTTI POJU KUN PELKÄÄT KYLMÄÄ JKEHK JHE,.

>>53265691
pussy

>>53267362

In a free market buyers can choose from which competitor they buy.. Obviously competition is a part of a free market. But in the current EU system of obligatory public tenders for government contracts the choice for a product is not free.. It may only be based on the 'best' offer, which in EU case law has taken on the meaning of: The lowest bid. Meaning buyers cannot take quality and other factors into account, at least not to the full extent... Resulting in things like the Fyra debacle. Are you just being silly, Mario?

>>53267537
Flawed adjudication principles doesn't mean it's not a free market, there must be some sort of tricks to prevent the govs from being arbitrary, things can't be always perfect. Govs aren't individuals, their public nature is problematic in this case

>>53267019
they don't get outcompeted though, you just produce an inferior product for cheaper and we have to take that offer

in no way is that a free market

>>53267796
it is free though, even without EU regulation your institutions would have to go through some public law procedures to pick the bid that fits best their parameters, as they can't act as individuals

It's the same thing

>>53265691
-31 degrees

u fucking wot m9

>>53267700
>Govs aren't individuals, their public nature is problematic in this case

Still though.. Not free.

>there must be some sort of tricks to prevent the govs from being arbitrary

That might be relevant in Italy... In Finland and the Netherlands its more about looking for the highest quality, and not being jewed over by Mafia-tier Italian state-owned companies to be honest.

You have a Russian SR1

>>53268184
>though.. Not free
by your logic free markets can't exist as long as there are public institutions, which are tied to pursue public utility and not theirs. such a thing causes discrepancy in their decisional process and must be dealt with certain criteria and parameters, established ex-ante, that are to be used for every contract opportunity

that said, get cucked

>>53265239
>Air is frozen
>Air in the hydraulics

>>53268368
>by your logic blablabla

All I'm saying is in the current system, EU member states are not free to make the best purchases, but are instead forced by EU case law to choose the cheapest, aka the shittiest aka the Italian products. That's just a pity...

>>53268184
Also

>In Finland and the Netherlands its more about looking for the highest quality

this is being arbitrary

>>53268612
We just want to buy the fucking trains that actually work in winter and the EU law prevents that.

>>53268612
>this is being arbitrary

Looking for trains that don't break is arbitrary? Perhaps I didn't phrase it right by saying 'highest' quality.. I should have said 'not worthless'...

Trains are no good if they don't ride.

>>53268610
public institutions aren't "free" to pick whoever they want (best, cheapest or whatever) in the first place
check your country's adjudication criteria for contests held by the public you mong

Our trains run and it was -30 yesterday

>electricity
>is related to hydraulics

Science-illiterate retards

>>53268670
>>53268690
do you have any idea of how public governance works?

>>53268782
>public institutions aren't "free" to pick whoever they want (best, cheapest or whatever) in the first place
In the Netherlands commissions were usually put in place to look for the best solutions. If such a commission has doubts about the trustworthyness of a company or the quality they deliver, like was the case with AnsaldoBreda, they would pick another contender.. EU case law prevents that these days.

>check your country's adjudication criteria for contests held by the public you mong

Irrelevant since the Court of Justice of the European Union ruled in the so called 'Altmark' case which sets out 4 criteria for public tenders and SGEIs.

>>53268847

Yes, I do. And if the tender procedure was a national matter, rather than a European one, the Italian trains would never have been bought.. Which would have been better for the Netherlands, and likely Italy as well, as AnsaldoBreda all but went bankrupt over the Fyra deal, and in the end had to take back all trains and pay back more than €100 million..

>>53269042
>In the Netherlands commissions were usually put in place to look for the best solutions

this is really the only point of the argument. What the fuck is "the best solution"? It's all about choosing objective criteria, "the best" doesn't mean shit.

And since you don't even know what those old criteria were about you really can't say anything

Stop being mad cuz you got freemarket'd by state owned companies :3

>>53269276
>this is really the only point of the argument. What the fuck is "the best solution"? It's all about choosing objective criteria, "the best" doesn't mean shit.

Like lawyers say: That depends on the circumstances of the case and the specificities of the parties and the deal involved. That's why you have a commission find out what the best solution is.. Because it's usually not apparant from the start.

>And since you don't even know what those old criteria were about you really can't say anything

The criteria would have been along the lines of `the trains must work´... Shocking, isn´t it?

>Stop being mad cuz you got freemarket'd by state owned companies :3

I cannot seem to figure out if this is 'banter', or if you're just a literal retard.. Peculiar. I usually only have that with American flags.

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>>53266758

Depends train or locomotive type.

Wet spaghetti, siesta and thanks EU-tier:
Sm3, Italian designed electric multiple unit high speed train, some delivered from Italy, some assembled here. Tilting mechanism disabled when rare things that totally won't happen more than once or twice a decade known as winter happens. Usual teething troubles one would expect to last couple years took more than decade to sort out. Built between 1995 and 2006.
Sm4, Spanish-Italian EMU local train, some assembled here, most delivered from Spain. Built between 1998 and 2005, all will receive mid-life overhauls at least twice.

Things that work most of time:
Sm6, Italian high speed EMU, basically same as Sm3, but newer generation and heavily revised design because Sm3 happened. Used between Helsinki and St.Petersburg, equipped for both Finnish and Russian electric networks. Built 2010–11.

Things that work, but occasionally burn:
Sr1, Soviet heavy electric locomotive, mostly from 70's and 80's, couple newer ones from mid 90's replacing ones that shorted out and burned.

Things that work:
Dv12, Finnish midweight diesel locomotive, built 1963–84.
Dr14, Finnish heavy diesel locomotive, built 1968–71.
Dr16, Finnish heavy diesel locomotive, built 1985–92.
Sr2, Swiss heavy electric locomotive, mostly built here under license with minor modifications, built 1995–2003. Also known as guinea pig or cockoo-clock. Rumor says that it was once late for reason that wasn't Sm3 or Sm4.
Sm1, Finnish EMU local train, 1970's. In theory retired, but some are kept in running order in case Sm4 decides it's time for siesta.
Sm2, Finnish EMU local train, 1970's, should be retired in next couple years once there is enough Sm5's around. Originally should have been retired few years ago, but they never got enough Sm4's.
Sm5, Swiss EMU local train, built from 2009.
Dm12, Czechnoly diesel multiple unit, assembled here, built early 2000's. Had some teething troubles, but now works just fine.

>>53267700
Its hardly a free market when you cant do something as simple as choose who to buy what from.

Suomi, I expected better of you.

>>53264999
Southern Ontario gets easily colder than that

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>>53264849
>Macaronis in charge of designing trains

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This is the current situation.

Green = less than 10 min delay
Yellow = 10-30 min delay
Red = over 30 min delay

>>53269423
The commission thing sounds nice but your original point that public criteria prevent free market from existing is pretty much flawed

said principles being retarded is another thing

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>>53264849
>people here bitching about it being "too cold"
I fucking hate living around Mexicans and Italians.

>>53265239
>hydraulics
I think the word you want is pneumatics.

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>tfw weather in my city goes from 40C in the summer to -20C now

watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsCHR0QAwqE