>>53264849 Doesn't it get that cold every year? The part of the Midwest where I grew up saw -20 for a week or two every year and everything was fine. At -25C or -30C though they would cancel school so kids wouldnt be at the bus stop outside for a half hour in the frigid cold.
>>53265260 That's an engineering problem, not rocket science. You heat it or pump more air to restore pressure. Or just design the system around it. After operating trains for a century you'd expect that kind of problems to be solved
We had, then some Spanish cunts bought it and decided that winters are just conspiracy. Instead of usual buy license for something and adjust design for local conditions, they simply disbanded most of their engineering department and pushed their own shit designed for southern European conditions.
>>53265154 >It's literally the green people's fault. If we used diesel instead of electricity for powering trains there woudlnt be any problems
There is still plenty of diesel locomotives in use. Dr16's on non-electrified tracks for both freight and passenger traffic. Older,smaller and slower Dr14's still used for shunting work. Replacement of is supposed to start within this decade. I wonder what kind of abomination that ends up being.
>>53266125 >cu.cking smaller EU countries is always fun as fuck
Fuck you too for Pendolino... forced upon us by FIAT and EU court, because having local climate conditions is against principles of EU.
>>53265288 >Italian Pendolino >>53266058 >shit designed for southern European conditions >>53266125 >free market m8 There is no free market for government contracts in the EU, Luigi. >>53266563 >forced upon us by FIAT and EU court >>53266641 >free market and Italian trains! >pic related
>>53264849 I love freezing winters. Kyllä Suomessa pitää kylmä olla! EI KUNNON MEHTÄ MIÄS PAKKASTA PELKÄÄ KJEH KJEH!!!! =)))))) OOKKONÄÄ JOKU VITUN AISAN KANNATTAJA HINTTTI POJU KUN PELKÄÄT KYLMÄÄ JKEHK JHE,.
In a free market buyers can choose from which competitor they buy.. Obviously competition is a part of a free market. But in the current EU system of obligatory public tenders for government contracts the choice for a product is not free.. It may only be based on the 'best' offer, which in EU case law has taken on the meaning of: The lowest bid. Meaning buyers cannot take quality and other factors into account, at least not to the full extent... Resulting in things like the Fyra debacle. Are you just being silly, Mario?
>>53267537 Flawed adjudication principles doesn't mean it's not a free market, there must be some sort of tricks to prevent the govs from being arbitrary, things can't be always perfect. Govs aren't individuals, their public nature is problematic in this case
>>53267796 it is free though, even without EU regulation your institutions would have to go through some public law procedures to pick the bid that fits best their parameters, as they can't act as individuals
>>53268184 >though.. Not free by your logic free markets can't exist as long as there are public institutions, which are tied to pursue public utility and not theirs. such a thing causes discrepancy in their decisional process and must be dealt with certain criteria and parameters, established ex-ante, that are to be used for every contract opportunity
All I'm saying is in the current system, EU member states are not free to make the best purchases, but are instead forced by EU case law to choose the cheapest, aka the shittiest aka the Italian products. That's just a pity...
>>53268610 public institutions aren't "free" to pick whoever they want (best, cheapest or whatever) in the first place check your country's adjudication criteria for contests held by the public you mong
>>53268782 >public institutions aren't "free" to pick whoever they want (best, cheapest or whatever) in the first place In the Netherlands commissions were usually put in place to look for the best solutions. If such a commission has doubts about the trustworthyness of a company or the quality they deliver, like was the case with AnsaldoBreda, they would pick another contender.. EU case law prevents that these days.
>check your country's adjudication criteria for contests held by the public you mong
Irrelevant since the Court of Justice of the European Union ruled in the so called 'Altmark' case which sets out 4 criteria for public tenders and SGEIs.
Yes, I do. And if the tender procedure was a national matter, rather than a European one, the Italian trains would never have been bought.. Which would have been better for the Netherlands, and likely Italy as well, as AnsaldoBreda all but went bankrupt over the Fyra deal, and in the end had to take back all trains and pay back more than €100 million..
>>53269276 >this is really the only point of the argument. What the fuck is "the best solution"? It's all about choosing objective criteria, "the best" doesn't mean shit.
Like lawyers say: That depends on the circumstances of the case and the specificities of the parties and the deal involved. That's why you have a commission find out what the best solution is.. Because it's usually not apparant from the start.
>And since you don't even know what those old criteria were about you really can't say anything
The criteria would have been along the lines of `the trains must work´... Shocking, isn´t it?
>Stop being mad cuz you got freemarket'd by state owned companies :3
I cannot seem to figure out if this is 'banter', or if you're just a literal retard.. Peculiar. I usually only have that with American flags.
Wet spaghetti, siesta and thanks EU-tier: Sm3, Italian designed electric multiple unit high speed train, some delivered from Italy, some assembled here. Tilting mechanism disabled when rare things that totally won't happen more than once or twice a decade known as winter happens. Usual teething troubles one would expect to last couple years took more than decade to sort out. Built between 1995 and 2006. Sm4, Spanish-Italian EMU local train, some assembled here, most delivered from Spain. Built between 1998 and 2005, all will receive mid-life overhauls at least twice.
Things that work most of time: Sm6, Italian high speed EMU, basically same as Sm3, but newer generation and heavily revised design because Sm3 happened. Used between Helsinki and St.Petersburg, equipped for both Finnish and Russian electric networks. Built 2010–11.
Things that work, but occasionally burn: Sr1, Soviet heavy electric locomotive, mostly from 70's and 80's, couple newer ones from mid 90's replacing ones that shorted out and burned.
Things that work: Dv12, Finnish midweight diesel locomotive, built 1963–84. Dr14, Finnish heavy diesel locomotive, built 1968–71. Dr16, Finnish heavy diesel locomotive, built 1985–92. Sr2, Swiss heavy electric locomotive, mostly built here under license with minor modifications, built 1995–2003. Also known as guinea pig or cockoo-clock. Rumor says that it was once late for reason that wasn't Sm3 or Sm4. Sm1, Finnish EMU local train, 1970's. In theory retired, but some are kept in running order in case Sm4 decides it's time for siesta. Sm2, Finnish EMU local train, 1970's, should be retired in next couple years once there is enough Sm5's around. Originally should have been retired few years ago, but they never got enough Sm4's. Sm5, Swiss EMU local train, built from 2009. Dm12, Czechnoly diesel multiple unit, assembled here, built early 2000's. Had some teething troubles, but now works just fine.
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