>>53227399 No the problem is that right-wing politicians have been excluding these peaceful astrophysicists, lawyers and dentists from society, thereby forcing their hand to do this. The problem and solution is obvious,this is the fault of right wing extremism. We need these people to feel more at home here, we need more immigration!
We have certian freedoms in our countries that we hold dear and consider to be fundamental to our culture: Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Speech, Freedom of though and Liberty.
However we have a significant portion of our populations that are both against these freedoms (either for a religious or for a cultural reason or perhaps a mixture of both).
With Cologne the case is clear you simply arrest them and perhaps take a look at your immigration policy.
However the grander more intricate problem is citizens of our countries, who are opposed to our freedoms, we by the nature of our system have to tolerate their intolerance insofar as they are free to think as they please. But how can we prevent them from actually (note the word ACT here in actually) infringing on other people's freedoms (in action).
Are all muslims or people from the middle east to be considered guilty before proven innocent for example?
It troubles me, it really is a difficult one, I can't find a proper solution.
>With Cologne the case is clear you simply arrest them >don't deport them >they most likely get radicalized in jail >make them even more unemployable than they were before if they are allowed to stay >once released they are a jihadist seed who will have no alternative than crime and possibly jihad if they are indoctrinated enough
>>53227399 people are sheeps, it has to directly happen to themselves to change them and yet some of them will claim that being angry about it is weakness because they obey to their animalistic instincts instead of forgiving, and not fall in the circle of violence, etc... blablabla JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP
>>53228255 >>53228200 yes but we all still have massive muslim populations who are having kids very quickly. >>53228210 >>53228287 >>53228293 >Just kill all muslims Muslim-tier thinking lads >>53228350 >arrest then deport or jail or whatever i mean you get them in trouble and apply the law, i don't mean just putting them in a jail.
>>53227229 >not sending the migrants to the US and putting them in urban government housing >not provoking a black vs arab conflict under the guise of offering free housing and care
We could put them all in Detroit. Then if they get to be too much they can just swim to Canada and join the horde there. It either solves the Syrian and/or black problem or the Canuck cucking continues at an accelerated rate.
It's easy to say deport but if you look up any of those stories past the headlines human rights agencies usually put a hold to that or keep them in the country for years and constantly in court until it's not worth it for the government. Especially in the case of refugees.
>>53227399 german state-run tv station ZDF did not once mention the fact that the molesters were arabs in yersterday's coverage of the event but instead chose to attack the police who have been calling for a halt on immigration for the past months but have been ignore continuously.
1live, a northrine-westphalian radio station which is also state-run, keeps broadcasting documentaries about syrian refugees, all of them equipped with higher education in well respected fields such as biology or medicine.
>>53228633 yes it's true, because you can't exactly export them back to Syria. I mean its a pickle, my issue isn't per se with the refugees, but also with muslims in europe in general, they really pose a weird existential crisis to our societies
>>53228689 eradicating all muslims is quite a stretch but removing the ones here currently not so much but you'd need a very extremist (for the current decade) government to carry that out Europe would definitely earn the ire of the US for awhile too
>>53228689 No because I'm not pro-migrant or something, I believe these people should be punished to the full extent of the law.
However, I also, unfortunately, believe that all people are deserving of being innocent before proven guilty, of having their rights (to life, liberty and property) equally respect.
I think believing certain deserve death or ill treatment just for being, is the worst ideology and unforutnately muslims are converting people to this ideology (either with islam or ironically in reaction to it)
>>53228689 >German government official says that people discussing the ethnicity of the perpetrators are "at least as bad" as the perpetrators themselves >/pol/ chimps out >bong correctly says that "eradicating subhumans" is ISIS's reasoning >you act like a German government official pottery
>>53228755 well boo fucking hoo. They are even more cucked and self-castrating than us, and they have the disadvantage of having a much much higher amount of non-whites too. Over here if some fascist government rises in europe and starts exterminating minorities most of the people will go along or at least pretend to not know about it, simply because it doesn't hurt them.
In the states however there'd be serious risk of some sort of civil war.
>>53228718 >yes it's true, because you can't exactly export them back to Syria. why not? when gang members and war vets from El Salvador came to the US and started shitting up LA with gang violence they were deported back to El Salvador
>>53228909 Honestly when we start taking cues from russia on how to run our society, is the day I'll sudoku
enjoy your krokodil-use and abortion, whilst you gloat about how morally superior you are to the west. Hopefully your moral superiority comes back to smack you in the face when you get in trouble for posting on a free speech website.
>>53227229 Most Germans are just apathetic and believe in their leaders. Criticizing the leaders of the country is a national sport but the average German would rather go down with them than to be disloyal and replace them. We rather save the anger until we really snap and then go full tard into that direction.
Imagine it like being in an abusive relationship where you get beaten up and complain to friends constantly but somehow cant leave the girl. And instead of just leaving her you end up burning her house down and killing her family.
Why your government collects in your country this crowd of savages? Well in Russia, Putin is loyal to the muslim apes, but in the Caucasus they are caught and kill more crazy muslims,who live in the mountains. But why in a country like Germany needs them?
>>53228981 The soldiers I've seen have mostly been hispanics and blacks, only the officers and senior NCO's were white. And the liberal group is mostly whites too. They rely on the state and police to protect them even though they hate to admit it, but if those institutions tear themselves apart they'll be fair game. The conservative white minority would probably try to fortify their own little state and survive that way, but cartels, gangs and general assholes will still turn the melting pot into a boiling hot mess.
>>53228972 I dunno, in US there's a nigger president, it's 2016 and all that
Even in shitskins and niggers are generally more stupid, which I think might be true, doesn't mean there aren't any normal people among them, and they can be a resource to you or whatever.
I mean, there probably are many decently educated Syrians among refugees, it's just there's many more uneducated monkeys that you Germans are too afraid to fuck up because you've lost all self-respect as a nation some years back.
>>53229091 obviously the nonmeme answer is to eradicate ISIS, stabilize the territory, give heavy investment into developing modern infrastructure and civil society, and relocate the muslims in europe back there. cut off the incentives for them to move to europe in the first place.
>>53229165 Yet all primarily muslim nations are shitholes, nearly all white ones are of a high standard of living. It is not worth risking all that just on the off chance of getting the occasional doctor among the rapists.
>>53229204 Of course. But this also means that if racial tensions escalate, the military will suffer a massive loss of morale if white officers order hispanic soldiers to clean out hispanic neighborhoods.
>>53229224 > relocate the muslims in europe back there gonna be hard, they won't want to detatch from the European Social system desu (im not saying its bad, but its too lucrative), coaxing isnt a option, so mass deportation is likely (think jews to camps deportation)
>give heavy investment into developing modern infrastructure and civil society pretty hard desu,youd need to find the right guy, and all those guys seem to have gotten killed in the past 2000s or during the cold war
>>53229273 you're german, just organize efficient filtration. hell, you're allied with US, get them to share NSA info or something, they probably know more about each Syrian refugee than they themselves remember
>>53229189 >I know barely anyone who believes politicians are decent people and/or know how to lead the country. EVERYONE I know thinks that politicians are greedy kleptomaniacs who get elected on the back of multinational companies. And its true for most countries. Still they will vote CDU/SPD/Grüne/FDP at election day. Even the left parties are better than them since there are actually people in them who want to make the country better, even if they have the wrong approach to it quite often.
>my sister called me yesterday and mentioned the attacks in Cologne and how scary it is >tfw finally I have a rock solid proof that me and my friends on /int/ and /pol/ were right and I can use it in real life conversation not just on egyptian camel racing board
>>53229364 That is what should be happening anyways. But it doesn't because theres a few hundred people going over a few million cases, with said cases camping outside the damn fence one step away from becoming a humanitarian catastrophe.
And even then, why not just invest all that money domestically instead to further local programmes to enable people to get medical/engineering degrees.
The underlying problem under all these layers of bullshit is demographic change. But importing muslims will only prolong the inevitable.
>>53228096 Step one: screen people heavily before letting them in. (Interviews with them, take educated people, no criminal background, no aids ridden people, and make sure they know the language) step 2: don't give special privilege to groups you're scared of offending, if more Muslims/Africans commit crime then use common sense and screen them more Step 3: don't give welfare to everyone before your own people to encourage poor immigrants
It's really not difficult but now it probably too late.
And before some retardedly optimistic krauts start talking about "M-M-MUH RISING RIGHT-WING! M-M-MUH AFD! M-M-MUH MERKEL SAID THAT MULTICULTURALISM IS NOT WORKING! THIS MEANS THAT IT'S ALL GOING TO BE FIXED VERY SOON!", just shut up. For years now there's always been these optimistic "it's happening!'", "[insert right-wing party] has been climbing a lot in the polls!", etc. And yet, NOTHING ever changes. In fact, as you can see for yourselves, it's gotten WORSE, not better. 2015 was the worst year for this sort of leftshit SJW nonsense.
So yeah, stop being optimistic. It's fucking ogre, and anybody saying otherwise is simply deluded.
I came to Germany a few days ago to work, I'm originally from Eastern Europe and I can say that every 2nd or third person I saw in Munich was an arab/african, I'm not even exaggerating. And it's not just the travellers, the people in the shops for instance were all immigrants and foreigners, and from the white people that I saw I'm sure a lot of them were eastern european just like me. Stuff like this Cologne attack doesn't surprise me after seeing this, these young muslims are dominant group in German society.
1. Deport criminals, if a refugee or illegal commit crime deport them 2. Cut welfare after a certain period of time, shitskins won't work and will leave 3. Have people watching mosques and social media and deport terror supporting Muslims
>Merkel hob hervor: "Das Gefühl - von Frauen in diesem Fall -, sich völlig schutzlos ausgeliefert zu fühlen, ist auch für mich persönlich unerträglich", sagte die Kanzlerin. "Und deshalb ist es wichtig, dass alles, was dort geschehen ist, auf den Tisch kommt." Es müsse zudem auch über die Grundlagen des kulturellen Zusammenlebens gesprochen werden. "Ich glaube nicht, dass es nur Einzelfälle sind", sagte die Kanzlerin. >"Ich glaube nicht, dass es nur Einzelfälle sind", sagte die Kanzlerin.
>>53230062 We had Iraqis gathering in Helsinki and apparently it has something to do with sunnis and shias blackmailing each other that one group was going to do same as in Cologne. They don't seem to get that Finns will see them all as one group.
>>53229926 >Deport criminals, if a refugee or illegal commit crime deport them already the case to my knowledge >Cut welfare after a certain period of time, shitskins won't work and will leave false, welfare is already temporary, migrants from the middle east and so on love working to be honest. >Have people watching mosques and social media and deport terror supporting Muslims depends if they're citizens or not and most of the extremist ones are citizens, you can't really deport a citizen but yes I believe the government is monitoring them, unfortunately they're using that breach of privacy to also monitor everyone else to my knowledge.
>>53230168 No we won't, we got 30 000 migrant and only about 2000 has left, this country is ruined forever And they're continuing their sunni VS shia civil war here when our police is already cutting resources
It's not, plenty of them raped and ended up getting tiny sentences. Not sure about UK but in Sweden and Germany and even France I think.
>false, welfare is already temporary, migrants from the middle east and so on love working to be honest.
Their unemployment is higher then natives and I've seen cases where they get money and housing for years.
>depends if they're citizens or not and most of the extremist ones are citizens, you can't really deport a citizen but yes I believe the government is monitoring them, unfortunately they're using that breach of privacy to also monitor everyone else to my knowledge.
Even citizens, have a group to monitor Islam extremism. Deport them anyway. It might get abused and it might seem too much but there is no other way that isn't being a cuck or going full hitler.
If the crusaders won't go to the holy land then bring the holy land to the crusaders. Come on we know you have it in you Europe, especially you Germany. Do us all a big favor and embrace your true nature already. This is taking longer than it should.
>>53230856 I'm not sure whether these people are incredibly dumb or just pretending to get more free stuff. Most likely a bit of both. It's funny how Finnish kids are always taught that they shouldn't complain about small things because poor people in developing countries have things much worse, now these poor people are here and they complain about everything.
>>53230861 http://yle.fi/uutiset/vastaanottokeskuksissa_sandaalit_vaihtuneet_lenkkareihin__talvikengista_huutava_pula/8572485 They've been given sweaters and wool socks but they still won't use them because they're not used to it(?). So they still use only sandals.
>>53230883 When you breathe in climate what we have right now it feels like your lungs are burning. So for someone who experiences it for the first time it's shocking.
>>53231091 >It's funny how Finnish kids are always taught that they shouldn't complain about small things because poor people in developing countries have things much worse, now these poor people are here and they complain about everything. We get told that here too. I never thought about that second part. Thanks anon, now I have a nice response for when people tell me that stupid thing not to complain because someone has it worse (other than responding that that means only the worst off person in the world is allowed to complain).
Any chance you know where I could find a swedish or english version?
>>53231198 >When you breathe in climate what we have right now it feels like your lungs are burning. So for someone who experiences it for the first time it's shocking. Also I can understand this I guess. They just need to learn to slow the breathing a little, and in extremes, breath through your scarf. I often do that when the cold hits extremes.
>>53231198 >>53231291 >When you breathe in climate what we have right now it feels like your lungs are burning. I've never had that happen to me even in <-29 C weather. Must be some genetics thing. Maybe if you're sprinting and taking in huge amounts of air. Tell them to wear a scarf or something if they're such babies.
How strong is the german army right now? Would it be possible for an alliance of willing states to wreck havoc there like the swedes did under the 30 years war? Would the americans stationed there do anything if it was NATO countries vs NATO countries?
The Bundeswehr has very few people, and there are problems everywhere. Helicopters aren't ready, Drones that don't work were bought and people claim the G36 would cause trouble, which I have never heard so far before. Things get strange here, I slowly start to believe I get an idea of how life in Brazil must be like.
Like a few people who came from the mountains of Damascus or Afghanistan came well prepared, and people were asking them why they're buying warm clothes. I'm not sure if they were aware that this is in the north, like if I went to Australia I'd realize how hot it will be.
That's not how it works. Often they'll stand at the bus stop, with a paper which includes the following informations: which line they need to take, when they have to get off. They stand infront of the fucking bus and ask hundreds of people where to go. I told them thousand times where to get off the bus, but they simply don't get it. Sometimes they even enter the wrong bus anyways which I can not understand.
>>53232204 German public transport is confusing as fuck. The bus schedule is different every day and the timetables seem like they are punched in randomly depending on the mood of the driver or some shit. Also the stops aren't the same always, some days a stop can be named XXX but the next day its XXZ and you're not sure if it's the right one or not. Only native Germans can understand this shit.
>>53232832 >Is there anything we can do to help save Germany? Buy less weapons. I try to get some ammo and guns stockpiled here and its all sold out. The other Germans doing the same doesnt exactly help.
It was a terrible unreliable car. It'll have the spark plugs replaced all the time, windows were randomly dying. It was expensive and in the last few months it's been in the shop more often than on the road.
>>53232832 >Why isn't Anonymous getting involved in this? I refuse to believe anyone that actually posts on 4chan is this much of a newfag. This has to be the most effective trolling a burger has ever pulled off.
>>53234518 My nose is fine. I don't see that person breathing on that picture, so my statement is still true. Unless you shave your nose-holes like a homosex, breathing in -20 winter for some time is gonna be really hard.
>>53235277 I've done that while it was less than -28 C and I didn't experience any pain. The only problem I've ever experienced breathing in the cold is not being able to draw enough air in when it's really windy.
Leftists believe in anti-racism. Which is a noble goal. But they take it too far and belive that everyone, everywhere is a secular middle class person like them who is tolerant and kind. But this mindset that they have is not natural. It is only created by middle class upbringing, loving kind homes, access to high education, etc. There is a direct link to economic status, and education to leftist ideology.
So great, you're a secular kind compassionate leftist. But is everyone? A lot of these people that are immigrating are racist, misogynist, sectarian, uneducated, hyper religious bydlos. Maybe, maybe the damage could be undone with several generations of integration, but I really don't know.
When they are confronted with information that doesn't fit their view, it makes them want to hide or downplay it. That is why Leftists go into damage control when immigrants or Muslims do anything bad.
Hmh, gee I wonder why. Maybe it's because at this very moment, we're getting spied on by the BfV, she has a shitload of influental lobbyists behind her and some bodyguards. Maybe the fact that we basically can't have guns here has something to do with it...
>>53236052 This. Also most people understand how slowly the rusty wheels of the legal system turn. It's not something you turn to for current pressing issues. Quite useless in these situations, if anything the red tape works against us right now.
>>53236650 But why did she do this (allowing so many "refugees")? How does it benefit her or her allies?
At one point I read that the objective was to import a huge number of cheap labors as a way to break the labor unions, and I thought that made sense. But now it seems like these refugees aren't even usable as cheap labor. I am really confused why she wanted this.
>>53236911 >#notallmuslims propaganda I hate this rhetoric. It's true but that doesn't change the fact that it's enough of them that it makes it not worth it to import any of them if so many of them are scum.
But ask yourself "why is it always Sunni Muslims?" Why never Shia? Or Christians, or Yezidi, etc. Why did Western powers wage war in areas like South East Asia, killing millions, yet you never see Vietamese or Cambodians, even during the worst of the Vietnam wars ever think about shooting up civillians in America or France.
They can be used as cheap labor, because the minimum wage doesn't apply for them. If you see who backs Merkel, you'll find the Manager of Mercedes etc. Some people say it's to break the idea of a german national state, to unify europe as some kind of wannabe USA.
There might be some kind of change, because the people who were neutral until now got assblasted. I don't have any hope for the future at the moment, but maybe other countries will learn from our mistakes.
>>53232446 No, american immigration policy is quite strict our mena types tend to be the rich educated ones. Thats why the only thong that happens here is usually some indians being attacked because people think theyre muslim.
>Are all muslims or people from the middle east to be considered guilty before proven innocent for example?
Nope, but it's pretty stupid to deny that Islam is a problem; If a muslim doesn't condemn straight away every terrorist act for me is an integral part of the problem. Ideally you want the inmigrants to embrace your way of life, but you got muslims of 3th generation in Europe that hates the citizens of the country where they live in.
http://www.ksml.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/turvapaikanhakijaa-haettiin-pimeasta-metsasta-epaillaan-napistyksesta/2209092 Now some dumbass Iraqi has managed to get lost in the woods after stealing something from a store and escaping the cops It's like -30°C outside and they found him frozen and had to take him to hospital
>>53238548 Nah. They're 99% baptists. 1% gets converted in jail. I knew a Jamaican who hated Muslims and called them devils. A lot of the "Muslim" niggers are into afro-centric 20th century alien religions.
>>53227399 I assume that people actually living near those cavemen are beginning to be uncomfortable at least. Problem being that between the leftist media and vocal sheltered middle class like the feminists will justify it on European racism.
fuck gaymany when i was in germoney i sabotaged this shithole from inside. i was farting in public communication, i was covering with cum and saliva things in markets and shop. i also filled my ejaculate by syringe and shoot at random girls' backs and asses and they didnt even expect and know it. i also cursed random people in polish especially the elderly, and they didnt understand what i was bitching to them. im gonna go spain next summer too.
>>53228096 Freedom is paradoxical Even in a situation of total freedom (i.e. anarchy) the freedoms of the weak are infringed by the strong and powerful. A society just can't function without restrictions. One of the founding fathers of the US said something along the lines of "if men were angels, there would be no need of government." Imo the key to maximum freedom while maintaining civility is a global Task Force with eyes and ears around the globe whose primary mission is to identify violent dissidents before they make their move and assassinate them. Kinda like what the CIA already does except pn a much larger scale, and with carte blanche to act.
>>53228096 You can either >be as un-PC as you want but with no access to 1st world freedoms aka China and Russia or >have most 1st world freedoms but get cucked by subhumans and lefitists aka the entire western world
The only option left is to be a hermit and live far away from society,
>>53239222 >Imo the key to maximum freedom while maintaining civility is a global Task Force with eyes and ears around the globe whose primary mission is to identify violent dissidents before they make their move and assassinate them. Kinda like what the CIA already does except pn a much larger scale, and with carte blanche to act.
Yeah, because that totally wouldn't be abused in any way.
>wake up on Saturday January 4th 2020 >turn on radio >another day of German refugees trying to cross the border thru the last open crossing in Kołbaskowo >hundreds of thousands fleeting United Arab Bundesrepublik after sharia became the de facto law on 1st January >Polish government already stated that Poland is not capable of granting asylum to everyone >mfw
Make this nightmare stop pls ;_; I hate these filthy and thirsty shitskins >be me >walk home in the afternoon >Somalian nigger asks where you're working >be shocked because he walks next to me >forget how to talk >don't answer his questions for a minute and he starts to ask me in English >name him some company and leave
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