What does /int/ think of the 3 current strongest global powers?
>Germany and Russia are more powerful than Britain
This is what 95% of /int/ actually believes
Germs lord over EU and Russia isn't even a fucking contest, they could glass every square inch of your island and still have enough for America.
Great, now we will have assmad britcucks spam the board for a week with their shilling.
>Germs lord over EU
Except they don't. Even the last few days of European politics is evidence enough, if you have been paying attention.
>Russia isn't even a fucking contest, they could glass every square inch of your island and still have enough for America.
What you're saying is Russia could commit suicide. Yes, they could. But they won't - because the Russian elite wants to stay in power. Nuclear weapons are diplomatic tools, no sane leader will use them as offensive weapons against another nuclear state. Source: the Cold War.
The fact that you go straight for "muh nukes" as an argument shows the weakness of your argument and Russia itself
The only things relevant in the world for the past year was Russia, Muslims and Russia killing Muslims.
Not compared to the US but like other people said we have the financial capital of the world. Good location so investment from east and west. High cultural output (music etc.)
We do OK tBH considering our size.
Someone needs to make the argument for Russia being more powerful than the UK. Something more than "muh nukes" would preferable.
The UK has an economy which is more than double the size of Russia's in nominal terms, it has a blue water navy with a global network of military bases (Russia has just one naval base overseas), we have membership of all the important international groups (G7, G20, EU, NATO, UNSC P5, Commonwealth, etc), we have loads more bilateral relationships with regionally important countries worldwide and our cultural exports knock them out of the park.
>it seems to me that their time has already passed.
1. Anything we do today will look bad due to the remarkable success of the British Empire. It's smarter to judge us in relation to other countries *today* rather than centuries ago.
2. Powers rise and fall, but they can also get stronger again after a fall. UK history proves this point.
>That would probably be New York City, followed by Shanghai, Tokyo and Frankfurt.
They have a lot of soft power, they have one of the world's two financial capitals, they have the best universities in the world, they're the 3rd military power in europe, world's 5th largest economy, their style of government is the most widely used in the world, and they generally punch above their weight class in everything, being only a mid-sized island and all. They are easily the world's 5th most powerful nation, despite their deceptive size.
i'd buy UK on the list before china. where's china's global military projection? tech innovations? soft power? diplomatic relations? china is just one massive, polluted, fragile, steaming pile of a consumer market.
>not a great power
The only nation the UK doesn't rival against is the US. They're basically the financial center of the world, their economy is one of the best in Europe and the world in general. Russcucks in this thread have so far failed to prove Russia's superiority in any form.
>inb4 "muh nukes"
Russia won't touch its nukes in fear of intervention from the US, so consider those out of the picture.
I don't know senpai.
2.2 million soldiers
11 trillion dollar economy
Largest manufacturing industry
400 naval ships
1.4 billion people
Hegemony over much of East and Southeast Asia.
I haven't seen the Brits do anything meaningful in the last 30 years.
The Russians on the other hand since 1990 now own Crimea, Eastern Ukraine, parts of Georgia and hold Eastern Europe by its collective balls when it comes to commodities.
Maybe not a great argument, but it's essentially power is meaningless without the political will to use it properly.
For example, Obama is arguably weaker than Putin even though Russia is far weaker. Why? Because Putin controls all of Russia and has public support. Obama has control of an overextended military that he has cut into oblivion, and lacks public and political support.
Regarding the "is Russia more powerful than Britain?" question, the only valid argument in favour of Russia I can think of is that size of conventional military forces.
Britain wins easily in the economic, diplomatic and cultural influence departments. But our conventional military forces are much smaller in quantity, which is a clear negative for the UK despite being superior in quality and training in most areas.
This is an area where Britain needs to improve. In fact the air force and navy are now getting larger, but the increase in size will be slow. However, the UK's advantage over Russia in conventional military forces is that its smaller force is more flexible and can reach much more of the world. For example the Royal Navy is capable of joining allies in the South China Sea, or Indian Ocean, to affect the outcome of a conflict (or act as a deterrent), whereas Russia's power projection is limited to its (admittedly vast) border areas and Syria - the location of their only naval base
>I haven't seen the Brits do anything meaningful in the last 30 years.
Serious question, what would you have preferred us to do? What the UK has done in the last 30 years is greatly improved its economic fundamentals and real GDP relative to our advanced competitors. Our side won the Cold War, as a result capitalism is prevalent in the world, and that has allowed us improve our economic fortunes. As you know, the economy is the firmest base on which to build other types of power.
Now consider the Russians, who lost the Cold War putting them in a very weak position. Their weakness has forced them to spend all their political capital in reactionary military attacks on their neighbours due to feeling threatened.
Why has the UK not done something similar and attacked Ireland or Belgium? Because the current environment is good for us, it allows us to grow stronger - we are not threatened.
I don't even see what the difference between 'local' and 'regional' would be
Regional I would assume to be following the UN Geoscheme (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_geoscheme), but I can't understand what a local power would be
I think that anon is talking about annexing territory, hence the mentions of Crimea, Georgia etc. But I don't see an advantage in isolating ourselves and ruining relationships with other countries in order to grab more clay. The costs outweigh the benefits.
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Could you give reasons why you think Russia is more powerful? It would make the thread more interesting than all of you posting the same greentext. I've mentioned the conventional military aspect >>53181576 but of course that's only one part of power
usa, russia, china, india...,uk
meh.. its still pretty impressive. look at the size of gb compared to the others above us.
we've recently increased military spending so perhaps we'll overtake india
>literally the financial capital of the world
Speaking about military it's simply out of question, Russia has submarines with nuclear warheads in every sea and a direct war against Russia would simply mean destruction of civilization.
The UK is surely richer and more relevant in many other aspects, but they simply cannot win a war against Russia.
>still not one single argument about how Russia could be considered more 'powerful' than us
We can target anywhere on the planet that Russia can and also have nuclear warheads all over the world
Neither of us would win in a fight as we'd both be destroyed, who cares if we'd be more destroyed? That's not going to happen anyway though so if you measure power through diplomatic, economic and cultural terms we come out on top
Fantastic argument my hairy friend
tbqh the UK is almost undoubtedly more powerful than Germany (like 2 military bases worldwide, no UNSC seat) and France (the entire Francophonie is in shit-tier sand countries). Russia posssibly has more power but they don't have allies to back them up so I'd say the UK is top 3 anyday
I see, the nuclear weapons again. I responded to this point earlier >>53179832
>but they simply cannot win a war against Russia.
It depends what kind of war. Clearly the UK is not capable of invading Russia (but why would we want to?), and Russia is not capable of invading the UK. However in a war limited to conventional weapons, we stand a good chance of winning the naval war against the Russian Northern Fleet. For Britain this is by far the most important area of potential conflict with Russia.
You are right that neither the UK nor Russia could win a nuclear war with each other. But that isn't the point of this thread, is it? It's about strongest global powers. Ignore the economic/cultural/diplomatic aspects if you want.
If you only consider the military domain, Russia has a larger military which is limited to regional warfare. The UK has a much SMALLER military but it can act globally and therefore affect Britain's influence in many parts of the world. Undoubtedly the British military is too small, too weak and needs to be expanded. But considering all the different elements I think it is more effective on a global scale. In a sense we are very lucky to have strategic territories and bases all over, because without them we would be *much* weaker
wow I never realised how perpetually butthurt most of /int/ is about the UK.
We're probably not the third most powerful country in the world, certainly not in terms of strength. But anyone who thinks we're not a global power is letting their ass pain make them literally retarded. If the UK ceased to exist overnight, a lot of the world would be economically fucked.
>log onto /int/
>some random savage from some random country I've never heard of before is trying to tell me we aren't a superpower
Havin a right laught here lads.
They support the person who will destroy your country/allow Chinese takeover through incompetency.
I'm a brit m8 I just think these images are amusing
I know, m8
NO I'M NOT
Why is France declining while Britain grows? How do we save France?
>my drawing looks a lot more like Steven Avery than Gregory Allen
this guy is crazy
>france has no economic power or military projection.
I would say China is more powerful than us. Like all powerful countries, China doesn't have to "do" anything to be powerful. It can just sit there passively with its huge market and economy, and affect the world just by having economic fluctuations. It has the potential to build a blue water navy like us, get more overseas bases etc. However I would put us in 3rd place
Why would we want to leave the EU? We're improving and the major continental powers are stagnating. It's stupid to leave the EU now.
1. Secure protections against Eurozone meddling (thanks Big Dave)
2. Stay in EU
3. Continue annoying the continentals forever and keep British influence in Europe
Britain is literally a nanny orwellian state that allows thousands of children to be raped by MPs and foreigners.
If people base quality of a country purely on economy then they might as well raze all houses and build factories everywhere see how that goes for quality of life.
England has been an American satellite state since Suez if not earlier, France was just annexed.
Haha, please. Those chinks can't even design their own equipment without it exploding. The engines they made for their new jet just melt. Economics is where they have power but their military, especially their navy, is a total joke.
how childish that you are accused of not being from your country if you rate another country better than yours at something
i thought 4chan was for 18+? this is the kind of shit you expect from school kids
>biggest country in the world yet with an economy smaller than Italy that bullies poor neighbouring countries because it spends what little money it has on an oversized military and leaves much of its population in abject poverty
Russia is literally Africa tier
>Why is France declining while Britain grows?
Because France got retards who vote for shitty candidates who can only see 2 political parties.
If not PS, UMP will win.
If not UMP, PS will win.
I don't think any sane french can refute this.
Special mention to the manlet they elected a few years ago, partly responsible for the mess in Libya.
this is USA's real flag the federal government doesnt want you to see.
>fight against third world army over tundra islands
>suffer rather high losses against said brown people
>Economics is where they have power but their military, especially their navy, is a total joke.
that mostly has its sources in the horrible mismanagement of Qing that had the same effects as what happened in France during the revolution.
People tend to forget that China was a bankrupt state in a state of civil war, war against Japan, war against various cliques, war against India, etc... and did not start recovering until the purges ended in the mid 70's.
>blue water navy
>40% of Birminghemians are non white
>sharia law zones in London
>totally dependent on US big brother
That's true though. Imagine Vietnam just x1000 bigger, x100 better equipped, x10 more organized, and armed with nukes.
Like it or not, US can't pick a fight China. I'm not saying that China would win, US wouldn't either.
>sharia law zones in London
>believing the memes
Who'd a thought facts would anger the french so much
>being superior in quality and training in most areas.
1 year of your operation in Syria was less usefull than 1 week of ours. You were good in supplying IS, but not fighting with them.
>believing your government propaganda
Running out of bants, cunt?
>losing 2 destroyers and 2 frigates to third world brown people in the 80's
I bet it's a proxy. No one here thinks we're a superpower. Always happens on /int/. They can't win an argument so they turn proxies on and shitpost.
In fact I'm sure it's a proxy now. Look at this by the same poster >>53184053.
>"Largest soft power"
He's not a native English speaker. It's either an immigrant or a proxy. You'd be surprised how many anons do this.
I wonder why you cropped out the "in construction" column..?
t. NATO vassal who cowers in fear when he sees a hammer or a sickle and whose whole policies since independence has been to cry for help against a Russia that doesn't give a shit about you
Pathetic samefagging and frogposting to be honest ladm8
US > China > UK/Russia/France
And for the record I don't think a lot of people appreciate the diplomatic power the UK holds, inb4 that britanon who always posts about how the Royal Navy's improving.
>using Vietnam as an example of war with China unironically
It's a completely different beast. In China there are huge swathes of territory that are dying to secede from the country. Shit, Tibet and Hong Kong would love nothing more than to break free of China. Not to mention the vast number of people that fucking hate the Chinese government. It wouldn't be a complete steamroll but the USA definitely has a ton of factors working in it's favor. China, unlike the US, is barely held together by it's government and is surrounded by countries that would love for it to get knocked down a peg.
pundits always say Britain is BETTER than continental Europe at integrating refugees.
how bad must Europe be?
YOU DISRESPECTFUL FUCKS GET YOUR ASS FUCKED
UK IS A GREAT POWER EASILY THE EQUAL OF NEW ZEALAND OR EVEN BRAZIL
FUCK OFF AND DIE IN HELL YOU FUCK ASS BITCHES
>2.2 million soldiers
with no way to transport them beyond domestic rail network
>11 trillion dollar economy
literally money from the west, in a war against the west their economy will crash faster than their opponent's
>Largest manufacturing industry
largely creating shit quality goods
>400 naval ships
not all ships are created equal, having a few corvettes with outdated ASMs is not impressive
all of it outdated shit
>Hegemony over much of East and Southeast Asia.
their power ends at sea
I don't really get the joke since the Falklands literally aren't "Abdulies" and Mali literally is.
The thing about China is that unless they start making serious changes, they won't be around for another 15 years
They have a giant economy, but at the cost of their drinking water and air. This means that if they are to declare war, they will probably do it soon, because they won't be a global power for too long
I do laddy
I just need to enrich brown pussy
>were not a nato puppet, foggie
your government was calling for American help last year during the Ukraine civil war because muh Russia
>I haven't seen the Brits do anything meaningful in the last 30 years.
>says the nation that hasn't done anything meaningful since 1945
>I wonder why you cropped out the "in construction" column..?
They'll never finish construction. The ramp is too short. The ramp will always be too short.
>sweet African natural ressources
Is that what you call these lads?
>China is no more than a regional super power
>all the world's markets shit bricks when Russian indexes lose a few percent
>everyone shit bricks when Chinese growth goes from 5.5 to 5.3
China is literally the central knot of the world economy.
>you will never be as great as Buzz "Based" Aldrin
How do they call this class of ship? Pinocchio?
No, your anus is more central for the dicks of niggers and arabs encircling you than China's economy in the world will ever be.
They can barely exist without US buying from them
Japan is the technological leader of Asia, if not the world. They have a population twice that of the UK. They have very strong diplomatic ties to the world, and a powerful culture to boot. They are a global power, no doubt about it.
ayy he couldn't handle the bantz XDDDD
>They can barely exist without US buying from them
Kek, half of Africa and South-America are under Chinese financial control at this point.
Laugh all you want, when your fellow countrymen come here as tourists they end up broke not realizing how stronk the £ really is. Then when I buy a Spanish,Italian, Aussie lass a drink she's so overcome with gratitude she sucks my cock.
>losing the space race counts as an achievement
>Implying I'm a weeb
Look, I have no strong ties to most countries, and when I analyze a country, I won't be weighed down by bias.
Japan, for all reasons stated, especially science and diplomacy, are a global superpower. They do not break the worlds economy every time their one fluctuates. Their military isn't the biggest. But they drag the world forward with new inventions, and has the second most important say in the UN. Their society is a productive one, and it seems as if they are going to be a global power for a long time
Again, no bias, just saying what I see
Someone tell me why the Americans are getting angry with us for being aligned with them.
>and has the second most important say in the UN
Holy shit you're stupid
I wouldn't know I'm a Mediterranean one and I've seen plenty of northern tourists unable to handle our parties
>When Japan joined the U.N., its financial contribution was only 1.97 percent. It is now 19.47 percent, the second biggest following the U.S.’ 22 percent and larger than the contributions by the four other Security Council permanent members — Britain, France, Russia and China — combined.
>Being this insecure
True but otherwise for instance I've never met a Breton who could drink as much as their reputation says
But hey I'm a beer fag so it's easier to drink liters of it without feeling bad. Dat pee tho
Yes Japan PAYS loads of money into the UN. That doesn't buy it influence, you fool. What is the UN Security Council? There are 5 permanent members with vetoes. Do you think Japan is part of that?
>Bottle of wine
>He doesn't know
The only wine I see in partie is cheap one the kind that's over in 10mn
I'd like to see you try on something harder than a cheap pint
I try to convince my friend to drink beer instead of vodka but they can't handle too much liquid
Hey I think beer is
>More water = less hangover
>Actually tastes good
>throw up once, your stomach is ready for another round whereas thow up one bottle of vodka and you'll be sleeping
Well I do but I live surrounded by wineyards in a village so when it's the local fair every year good wine flows for almost free
It's the only time tho
There's often wine in the parties I attend but it's like 10% of all there's to drink
Kek. I was really hoping to keep this conversation going long enough so a northern frenchie would see what you said but none are turning up. I've had better luck turning Argentinians and yanks on eachother today. Thread is almost 404:(