It is also now believed that the economy contracted by 3.71 percent in 2015, the year in which the country entered a technical recession -- defined as two or more consecutive quarters of negative growth.
If confirmed, the recession could be the worst Brazil has experienced since reliable records began in 1901 and the first time the country has seen back-to-back years in recession since 1930-31.
let it burn down tbqhwy
The youth in this country is waking up to the lie and abandoning the left; joining centrist or far right movements, we're also purging the gommies in the process so it's not a total loss.
We might see a new Vargas in a few years so it's getting pretty exciting.
Aren't you scared that Dilma will start up guerilla groups to overthrow the government again?
She is a puppet with zero leadership skills, the one we need to be wary of is Lula and his personal army (The MST, Movimento sem Terra) who already threatened to "unleash it" if Dilma and the PT falls.
A lot of higher-ups in the army hate Dilma and the left for "gutting" the army so we might have the armed forces on our side if there's ever a conflict.
There's a reason they are leaving the country and that is our retarded protectionist market, "protecting" things that aren't even there in the first place.
And it's not even the "rich people", it's the skilled middle class that's leaving.
What did you expect from a country under socialism for 13 years?
People fell for the free lunch myth and now have 5 months worth of their work stolen by the government every year in taxes. Since the Petrobras and BNDES corruption scandals were revealed, the financial crisis began, and what the government is going to do about it you might ask?
Of course tell the slaves to work harder and raise taxes so they can cover the losses that are their own fault, whether through mismanagement or outright theft.
This is the situation we live in now.
Remember to give 50% of all you produce to the government and everything will be FREE. Let big daddy government take care of you, bureaucrats are infalible, morally inviolable and know better than you what you need and how your money should be spent.
Take a look at our FREE healthcare.
Oh of fucking course it's the protectionist policies that make people FROM THIS COUNTRY go AWAY from the country protecting.
Jesus fucking christ I legit mad. I'm not even that one BR this moron is answering to.
>where the bad lady touched you.
in the economy
No hard feelings either way. It is not for civil liberties that this is being done so whatever. The actual referendum on the issue kind of mad it clear that this is what the people wants and this is what democracy is about.
Do I think we'll turn into a hellhole where people with power will have more power and the average citizen will see none of the benefits? Kinda.
Of course it's gonna be the law-abiding civilians who will buy guns for self-defense.
Do you think a criminal gives a fuck about gun laws or any law for that matter? Here it's extremely easy for anyone who doesn't care about the law to buy a gun, you can go to the nearest favela and buy even an automatic weapon if you have enough money.
We never approved this gun control, it was IMPOSED on us by the government. There was a referendum held in 2005 about it and nearly 70 million people voted against it, that's more votes than any president ever had to give you a perspective.
We have so much crime now and people live in so much fear of being robbed or assassinated on the streets, on the work and even inside their own homes. The gun control must be repealed at all costs, it had fuck all to do with safety or preventing crime, it was always about control.
I don't fucking care...better to be allied to Russia and China than to the cock-holder of Israel...Fuck you all fascists from north to south America we will find you and we will kill you!
>Of course it's gonna be the law-abiding civilians who will buy guns for self-defense.
INSECURE, ANGRY AND FUCKING INCAPABLE OF DEFENDING MY OWN LIFE!
I feel like a constant victim, frustrated, can't walk on the streets with the max volume of my favorites songs, cuz i gotta to hear if is someone following me.
When i go out i got 2 cellphones with me and you know why, right?
>more than 50% of taxes in every product
>all the 3 powers conducted by the ruler party
>I feel like a constant victim, frustrated, can't walk on the streets with the max volume of my favorites songs, cuz i gotta to hear if is someone following me.
Even if it gets repealed, it will be for having a gun inside your house only.
I still have 5 months of my work stolen from me in taxes, i still have to obey authoritarian laws or else i will go to jail, i'm not allowed to legally own a gun to protect myself and my family and am obligated to stay a sheep who never knows when the wolves will appear, we have a lot of press censorship and the politicians in charge of the country now can do anything they want because the laws don't apply to them.
We do live under a veiled dictatorship.
The text mentions carrying.
>authorities will be allowed to carry a gun based on their position
>already corrupt and powerful MPs from bumfuck-GO now have a federal permit to play wild wild west
We can't do shit right
>highlighting the aggressive propagandistic phrase
It made me laugh at least. It's kind of sad to know that this is what passes for information in BR internet though.
Watch the fucking video, there's a video where himself EMPHASIS that shit.
>hurr please open the economy
>hurrr please help us succeed
>hurrrr please attract investors
>hurrrrr please invest in the industry
sometimes I give our elite too much credit, there is obviously a interest gap between the real rich people and the middle class that think they are rich. If only that translated well in political parties.
>ignoring the "he was caught carrying 200k in a case and 100k in his undewear."
I want to watch Brazil implode and those monkeys fall from their banana tree.
>there is obviously a interest gap between the real rich people and the middle class
Of course there is, the working middle class get fucked by FREE SHIT policies taking their money and giving it to useless people and pocket the other half.
Dont talk like I dont know what the midclass is, the reality is alot of midclass people think they are actually poor and wouldbenefit from this crap.
that's not the highlight I'm talking about you moron. This is already a propagandistic piece and it shouldn't need the highlights. It's actually quite well written at that.
But because you fucks either think your intended targets are too stupid or that these highlights are adding to legitimacy in some way, you churn out those pictures that are so obvious I'd file them together with political charges.
But eh well it fucking works. How can I fault at you for doing stuff that actually works.
>Brazil has a more advanced and diverse economy than the rest of SA.
typical Brazilian argument
Brazil is even more Banana than the rest of the continent
1:Oh, mother dilma....Brave heart, i'm sure good things are coming. The opposition is horrible. They are so pessimists
2:Who believes on their data? The inflation is under control. Those coxinhas("neo-liberals") dont know what they are talking about, they need to study history. Cut ministries and privatize? Only those who doesnt has social conscience complains about paying fair taxes. Do you really think that i'm going to believe on this PIG media? ("Pro-coup Press Party")
3: The gasoline is expensive, isn't?
We have a lot of resource on gas but still expensive because the gov fuck it up.
>tries to slow down government intervention and call in private capital
>plan out decade long infrastructure projects all over brazil and even south america
>gives out incentives to home capital for these projects
>pretty much what everyfuckingone does in the serious world
>economists who pranced these abominations in the first place go apeshit
>industry backpedals and asks for more and more incentives
>private sector does not show up at all
>media goes apeshit
>win second term ellections anyway
>shitstorm of epic proportions has been going for an entire fucking year
>corruption scandals everywhere
>never, arguably the only real option, messes with investigations
>those fucking same people who helped create this monstrosity stabbed her in the back
>population more and more reactionary and angry
>anger leads to hate etc
>still pulls through
>keeps to the program
>ain't falling for bullshit
She is strong. She did everything I did not wanted her to do and she betrayed me for people that then betrayed her, but I have to give her that she is strong.
>I still have 5 months of my work stolen from me in taxes,
In Germany it's 6 or 7 Months of wage from people in taxes
>i still have to obey authoritarian laws or else i will go to jail,
Shit same in Germany, you don't obey the law, you spend time in jail or even prison
>i'm not allowed to legally own a gun to protect myself and my family
Fuck we suffer exactly like you. Althou most victims of murder are victims of fimily members...So I guess more guns for your family members would totally help to get less murders....
>and am obligated to stay a sheep who never knows when the wolves will appear,
So wolfes are allowed in your society? consider yourself lucky and become a wolf. Stop crying. We don't even have wolfes in Germany.
>we have a lot of press censorship
What is censored in Brazil? What kind of statements are illegal in Brazil?
You can't have more censorship than Germany. Over here it's even illegal to call the people to erridicate foreign races.
>and the politicians in charge of the country now can do anything they want
You voted them. Vote others or become a politician yourself if you think you have higher ethos. Democracy is not about spectating from the ranks , it's about kicking some ball yourself.
>because the laws don't apply to them.
In Germany the laws officially don't apply to politicians. No joke. The have immunity and some extra laws that give them a ton of privileges.
>We do live under a veiled dictatorship.
You just don't do anything to change it. You choose to be a spectator.
Democracy is about participation. Participate!
also fuck Milton-friedman and Adam-Smith
The Anglo Saxon macroeconomic paradigm is just garbage.
Leibnitzian economic paradigm is the way to go.
Keynsinists ruin you fast, Monetarists ruin you slow and destabilze you fast. Neoclassics will never ruin your economy but your society.
You need to look at society and economy as a whole, like it's done by Leibnitz.
>mfw I voted for Bolsonaro
THE FUTURE GREAT LEADER
NIGGERS WILL BE PUT BACK IN ZOOS WHERE THEY BELONG
SLUMS WILL BURN DOWN
BR WILL BE GREAT
>mfw brazilians thought they were going to become USA v2.0 2years ago
We never believed that. We believed we'd become a relevant power, which we will, only some years later than predicted. The only reason this recession (which is by far not the worst in history, remember the early 90's) happened is Dilma and her retarded economy minister which by the way wasn't even born in Brazil but Italy.
You will, it is inevitable because of your population and stable position in the world. The current recession is just a temporary setback and doesn't change the fundamentals. The only way it won't happen is if there's a big war or epidemic in South America.
Arguably you are already relevant, as you have a top 10 economy in nominal terms. You may fall out of the top 10 for a year or two, but not for long
If Brazils economy falls all of South America will take a hit. Brazil is the economic center of South America. Similar that the world economy would take a hit if the US, UK or China had a recession
The crisis has nothing to do with communism or socialism. It could have happened with a far-right gov given the variables. There isn't one thing that you can solely blame ideologically.
The only thing that cause this crisis is corruption.
Don't listen to illiterate monkeys who say that socialism/communism is the reason. You also have retards in your country and I chose to ignore them, I suggest you do the same with ours.
I'm very skeptic of that.
I think it'll be like when Venezuela became socialist. Noone around took any hit.
Countries like Argentina, Colombia, Chile, etc. are competent enough to live without Brazil and even surpass Brazil if they do their homework right.
He was right
good, the blood must continue to flow! ;)
Lel. After Venezuela's socialist ruling party took control, the new government started to give aid to a considerable amount of Islands and some Central American countries in exchange of political support, now some of them completely rely upon our socialist oil aid. It will all be over soon, though.
>Nordic white countries have high HDI
Socialism works! fucking capitalist scum bags.
>South America is in the fucking shitter
Tell me why american liberals conveniently ignore SA when it comes to talking about their ideal social democracy.
In terms of demographics, we are much more closely related to SA than any white Nordic country considering muslims and all.
I don't believe corruption is the sole responsible for this crisis, China and India aren't hallmarks of transparency and corruption-proof institutions, but at least they'll certainly have positive growth this year.
Brazil's internal market was a credit-based economy: "I might starve and even accumulate a huge debt but as long as I can allocate a significant amount of my monthly income for 5 years to pay my brand new Gol™ everything is alright. Keeping up with with the Joneses and maintaining my bragging rights was never cheap, I guess."
This irrational consumerist behavior, while self-destructive as proved by tens of millions of Brazilians being indebted, it has also helped to spin the 'cogs of the economy' as it generated demand.
Failure to properly recover the manufacturing industry has also led to an increase of the importance of commodities on foreign trade, a very volatile source of revenue due to price fluctuations and the economic situation of consumer markets. In fact, we would be much better off if we were to use these very same resources to manufacture our own products; I mean, how many processors can we make with 1 ton of Silicon, for example?
One month accounting for a place to stay, car rent and having nice parties every day of the week. It could be less if you're thinking about staying on the beachfront and going on a boat.
We are not in a credit crisis, personal debt has nothing to do with this. Sure, defaults are high but it's not out of control.
>Failure to properly recover the manufacturing industry
That's because: 1) Exchange rates are high, industries are being crunched by it adding up to the low demand, 2) Government subsidies are not going to be approved so soon due to the clusterfuck it is right now, they can't even approve the inflation ceiling.
>In fact, we would be much better off if we were to use these very same resources to manufacture our own products;
No we wouldn't. Read up on competitive advantage. We are better off buying them.
Plus why you would want to allocate more manufacturing/production to our domestic market? Look at the shitstorm we are with most of our stuff coming from China, imagine if it was made here instead.
>1) Exchange rates are high, industries are being crunched by it adding up to the low demand
If you're talking about monetary exchange rates, then that might be a good thing, export-oriented economies tend to have high exchange rates as it represents a competitive advantage. Look at the Chinese Yuan, the UAE Dirham, and the deliberate devaluation of the Japanese Yen (part of Abenomics) for references.
>2) Government subsidies are not going to be approved so soon due to the clusterfuck it is right now, they can't even approve the inflation ceiling.
This political crisis must be solved ASAP, as it's the major cause for the current capital flight and because it's an issue that requires attention and cooperation of all branches of the federal government.
>No we wouldn't. Read up on competitive advantage. We are better off buying them.
I believe there are a few ways to offset this, there's a large margin of improvement for our productivity which can be attained with investments in education, automation and infrastructure. Keeping the money within our borders can benefit the government in many ways.
>Look at the shitstorm we are with most of our stuff coming from China, imagine if it was made here instead.
Could you elaborate more?
>If you're talking about monetary exchange rates, then that might be a good thing,
Yeah, but you're talking about how our economy was de-industrialized and relied upon commodities. What is your point after all?
>This political crisis must be solved ASAP,
Sure, but you must remember that the executive is not the only guilty of this. The congress keeps playing power games to destabilize the executive and that is causing a gridlock in our entire political/fiscal system.
>I believe there are a few ways to offset this,
This is something that required a fuckton of budget and time. If we want to improve these factors you pointed out we need to end corruption. The current public-private partnership to boost infrastructure and education has caused nothing but the enrichment of a few people in the upper ranks, meanwhile our capacity hasn't increased much.
>Could you elaborate more?
We rely on Chinas' devaluation of the Yuan to outsource the production of the end-goods. If we did that ourselves, during a crisis like we are, the industry would be impacted even more by the inflation, low demand and etc. Sure we would benefit from exports but can you state with certainty that this would be enough to cause a break even in our current account? Imho it wouldn't.
Being one of the countries in GDP doesn't mean shit when your population is so big. We'll always be behind by a factor of 2 or more in GDP per capita from the true great powers and important nations.
Brazil's big GDP roughly means we have a lot of people. Any serious person will know we're a backwards, pathetic nation that shouldn't be taken too seriously. We're not even a threat to anyone. The other Latin American nations have at least the same potential as we do and they shouldn't look at Brazil as any sort of leader either.
Put the memes apart, do you guys think he can put this country back on rails if he become president? Why?
Being as good as Uruguay would make as a relevant power? hahaha that would make us an overachieving Latin American country and that doesn't mean much worldwide. The south and southeast is roughly as good as Uruguay and I don't think the rest of the country can catch up. We're pretty much as good as we'll ever get.
I visited you guys in 2008 and it looked really nice to me, comfy.
Jesus Christ can you read? Imagine a country the size of Brazil with a standard of living like Uruguay, it would make us huge in relevance. Relevance is about economy, income, military and soft power.
China is relevant for many other reasons besides GDP.
If you look at their neighbouring countries they're roughly as advanced as Western countries. The folks in China are genetically close to them and are very similar in any relevant quantitative trait that you can measure. Whatever the West can do the Chineses can do as well and maybe even better, and that's why they're seen as a potential superpower.
Any person with a minimal understanding of the world will know Brazilians and Chineses aren't the same.
As I said, the South and Southeast are already roughly equal to Uruguay. "We" don't have the same standard of living as them because of other part of the countries that probably won't ever be able to catch up.
Import taxes usually start at 60%. Imported electronics here usually cost double what they cost in the rest of the world. The only affordable things (food, clothing, electronics etc.) are overpriced and low quality versions of the same thing sold outside. Even with low taxes it's expensive anyway because there is no competition from imports. The government celebrated when Apple built an iPhone assembly factory in Brazil, paying less taxes than the import ones, but the prices stayed the same because they're not morons, they know people who want will buy them anyway at the same price, they just profit more. That's how protectionism works here.
As for welfare, seriously? Our government tries to give free health, education on all levels and monthly cash payments for people under a certain per capita income, with our per capita income at 1/5 of the developed countries average, how do you think that works? Everything has insane taxes built in and the public services in most cases are still africa-tier
If you look at old facebook screencaps during the election. She consistently called herself maemae (Mommy) and Deusa (Goddess). When a politician sees herself as a Goddess mother, maybe voting for her isn't such a good idea.
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>Businessmen go back to the country because tax deductions and private anonymous loans by the BNDES (Eike Batista)
Jeez must be so hard living under communism, they must be starving.
>thinking "democracy" works
>thinking gun control works
look mohammed, i know they treat you nice in germany but in the first world we are already knowledgeable about how our systems work and how they cater to idiots like you who think everything can be solved by electing some idiot
it doesnt work in Brazil, it doesnt work here, and it sure as hell isnt working for your country. the best anyone can do at the immediate moment is to let them do whats best for themselves, like buy a gun to protect their family or to move to a safer place.
N-no i got a gf :c
but i just want to impress my brazilian friend and talk some português while we cuddle n-no homo
And still a fucking nightmare to do anything in this country, and thats a multibillionaire, not all the fat, old, evil, with their big phallic penises have that kind of money to invest.
Just read some of your kind posts up in the thread, muh rich leaving the country to Miami and buying mansions!!!!!11 Even if not people go out of business or cant expand.
You forgot Eike Batista is a guy who got R$ 7 billions from the federal government alone (and I'm not talking about what he got from a state and municipal level, tax breaks etc), but everybody else is working to give money to him.
>Yeah, but you're talking about how our economy was de-industrialized and relied upon commodities. What is your point after all?
I fail to see how having high exchange rates and a de-industrialized economy is mutually exclusive. Of the three examples I've listed, only UAE has been traditionally known as a commodity exporter. Having high exchange rates makes imports in comparison to locally produced goods.
>This is something that required a fuckton of budget and time.
Long-term 'solutions' for long-standing problems, something that unfortunately, the government is not very good at.
>If we did that ourselves, during a crisis like we are, the industry would be impacted even more by the inflation, low demand and etc.
Unfortunately, there isn't such a thing as a crisis-proof economy but then again I believe it's better than relying too much on commodities, you can't put all the eggs on the same basket.
>Sure we would benefit from exports but can you state with certainty that this would be enough to cause a break even in our current account? Imho it wouldn't.
Almost if not every 'successful' economy in the world has a highly developed manufacturing and services industry, they offer much more potential than a solely resource based one.
While the benefits of such a system might not be immediately obvious to society in general, things might start getting interesting when you consider that to reach such a state you must have a highly educated workforce and a functioning infrastructure, increasing the intellectual output of our population in the fields of natural and human sciences would be a driving force for positive changes in this country, IMO.
Well, they kind of got Dilma elected in the first place, so...
Also don't forget that one of the criticized points of Plano Real was the fact that for much of its implementation the BRL was pegged to the USD. While the closure of the internal market for much of the military dictatorship period was the major factor for the decadence of our industry as they had to compete with external companies which originated from much more competitive environments, the way how it was comparatively cheap to import stuff didn't help either.
I live in Minas and Aécio is really shit, I voted in Levi Fidelix first and nullified my vote in the second turn.
Aécio did nothing, really. He promised the subway and I'm still waiting. MOVE is shit and expensive.
That really says something. Transport infrastructure is pretty much stagnant here in São Paulo. Expansions on our overloaded subway system are being constantly delayed with escalating costs, our monorail system is completely pathetic with only one station ready after more than 20 years since they started to build it and many of the bus lines are expensive as hell and are served by dirty buses that release more coal than a redneck Cummins truck on Wide Open Throttle, not very good for your lucks.
But hey, the quality of our highways are pretty amazing, don't know if it's worth having to pay for tolls every couple of kilometers or so.
>Worst recession in its history
So... you didnt live in the 80's/90's, my friend? Today is just a reflection of a real crisis in Petrobras and chinese fucking up the economy as usual. Nothing like the last crisis when banks where bankrupting like crazy and prices in the supermarkets where changed every 10 minute (for real).
"Brazil is the country of the future, and it always will be."
t. Charles de Gaulle
Last year Lula said the reason for brazilian education being bad is the portuguese colonization. Other common belief among brazilian leftists like him is that americans are responsible for a lot of their misery, somehow.
I'm guessing a country that elected twice someone who honestly thinks that isn't likely to succeed, despite everything they have going on for them.
>crime and violence on the streets
>people becoming radicalized due to twisted political views (both left and right)
>population scared of both criminals and cops
is this the country you want to have free right to buy weapons? really? you actually think that it would be a good idea to give guns to the same idiots who put FHC, Lula and Dilma, Tiririca, Bolsonaro and Cunha in power ? have you lost your fucking mind?
>When a politician sees herself as a Goddess mother, maybe voting for her isn't such a good idea.
Starting to see a pattern here
don't get me wrong, communism and socialism are shit. but so is capitalism. and the "reds" are not to blame here, anyone who actually thinks PT is a commie party has a brain aneurysm, or has no idea what communism is. PT is Left-wing, big government,lets help poor people no matter what party. but they are running for the money like every other party in Brazil.
you want real commies? go look at the smaller parties, like PCO, or PCB. PSTU and PCdoB are sellouts who ally with anyone who promisses them money.
Why can't South Americans let go of communism? It's over. Everyone thinks it's a stupid idea. Meanwhile you have European socialism, which accomplishes most of the goals of communism, even despite Europe actively trying to break their own system with dumbtarded immigration policies.
Just because the US fucked you over with some dictatorships doesn't mean
>>hurrdurr opposite US = opposite bad lolk
Why because of resources? If a South American country could unfuck itself long enough to make itself a Financial center for the continent (a la Hong Kong or Britain) it would trump Brazil overnight.
Don't fuck this up Colombia.