>>53141934 im learning mandarin but not because of any future power china might have .its pointless the chinese will know english way better than most people will ever know mandarin. im learning it simply because im an asianboo to some degree
>>53142393 I like Chinese food and I think it would impress the birds if I could order in Mandarin Problem is most menus use traditional characters and a lot of Chinese immigrants to the UK speak Cantonese
why dont we all learn the same language to avoid this arguments? for the world peace, FUCK CHINESE english is the future and chinese sluts are learnin it all that asian guys want to come here and be our sexual slaves USA RULES MOTHERFUCKERS!!
Half the people in my Computer Science graduating class have moved to China. My best friend growing up has been living in Shanghai for 4 years and has married a Chinese girl. His sister just moved to India. Most of our graduates move to Asia nowadays. I'm also considering it.
>>53141934 Chinese working population peaked out. But still their economy is too rely on real estate industry. I think China will have difficult time in 2020s. They may have the democracy movement again.
>>53142478 Silicon Valley is still #1, though. It's no longer the only tech/internet city hub but it's still indisputably #1 and will remain so for as long as every major, relevant internet company remains based there.
>>53147242 there are like 12 kinds of chinese cantonese is the one most chinese immigrants speak mandarin sounds like it has more r's, at least to my ear. cantonese is sort of squishy sounding. japanese sounds like animu. korean sounds like japanese with your mouth full of marshmallows. mongolian sounds like a chinese guy talking through a trombone. ASEAN languages are babbly and I can't tell them apart.
>>53148087 >in the future or go to war with them. Nah, China is too cucked internationally for that. Chinese economy is hell of a lot more dependent on American economy than American economy is on the Chinese. Not to mention the fact that China is always, always one bad year away from mass revolution whereas any serious revolution in US today is practically impossible (partially because the population is too spread out and the country is too big but also because >68% overweight) so any war between them would collapse Chinese state without damaging America to the point of collapse.
>>53148184 That's in general. What do Chinese actually have when it comes to the internet? Alibaba, a site used only in China and weibo, a site used... only in China? Oh and also a massive firewall that can be passed but that is a pretty massive impediment to further growth and development.
Meanwhile Silicon Valley has Google, Youtube, Wikipedia, Oracle, Facebook, Twitter, Uber .... yeah. Plus a million start-ups and even if only a few of them are successful a year that's still hell of a lot further than what China has.
>>53148290 Africa is never going to be more than a raw resource providers to fuel Chinese growth, it will take them at least 50 to 100 years of uninterupted growth to really become viable internationally nevermind actually displacing America's position in Chinese economy. O
Oh and I wouldn't make any bets on Africa either because Africa, unlike Asia, is inherently unstable because there isn't a single dominant country in any single region of Africa. That means Africa, much like China, is only ever one or two bad years away from mass war (that can erupt at absolutely any part of the continent because Africa lacks the stabilizing factor of having three gigantic states namely Russia, China and India) and that war would erase all of the progress made over several decades. So I definitely wouldn't bet on Africa.
>>53146006 Because future economy still depends on a cheap working population, yeah? Horrible to hear that from Japanese out of all people, who similiarily had the same circumstances back in the 50s, when you were the slave-labourer of the West's manufacturing. And what happened? You raised your productivity per worker, relying less on cheap labour.
China's importing robots en-masse to combat the declining worker pool in the coastal areas as well now. They are at a border of an industrial transformation to a high-output/low-labour-intensive industry. And it actually worked out, as the wages rise considerable and their economy is getting more reliant on services and consumption.
Because marriage is all about status. You tell your parents you found a guy and the first questions you'll hear from them is "is his family wealthy." Doesn't even matter if the dude has money as it's assumed his family could support the young couple.
>>53148650 This. There's so much growth in some parts of Africa it's crazy. If you don't believe me have a look at how Botswana and Malawi is doing. Granted, they're still poor as shit but it's changing fast.
>>53148725 Actually, it was a businessman from a rural area. It is quite interesting to see how Mao is still being revered by peasants the most. Even though they suffered tremendously from his failed economic policies, they still feel gratitude to Mao, being their "plebeian tribune" for appropriating and redistributing the land from their former tyrannical land-owners.
Understanding the role of Mao in modern China is quite complicated, and most westeners dont want to understand it outside their simplicistic views of him being literally a second Hitler and Stalin.
I'd say he already has the role like one of China's mythical founding emperors of ancient time.
>>53149334 I found a lot of people are pretty ignorant of the deaths during the great leap forward even today. I was at a university in 西安 not too long ago and I was amazed at how many people assumed I was talking about the cultural revolution as they had no idea of what the industrialization process did to peasants.
>>53149334 And, as one can see, Chinese culture cant be killed by mere smashing of temples and burning of books. Because every single Chinese founding emperor did that in some way. The act of destruction has actually become culture itself.
Mao, Marx and Engels are now enshrined as confucian deities, like the historical Generals (and Mass-Murderers 2bh) Yue Fei or Guan Yu.
This, too, is Chinese culture that couldnt be killed by even 66 years of commie rule, but actually prospered, because no western SJW and identity politics disturbed its practize.
>>53149552 In the cities and the youth, maybe. But if you ask old peasants and the parents/grandparents of those people, all of them have vivid memories and trauma from that time. And ironically, it is the communist party members and their parents who suffered the most in those times (since the CR was basically a bloody purge of their ranks).
>>53146011 Chinese languages are historically unwieldy. The complexity of their language is has caused the chinese problems since the Tang dynasty which is when the chinese were first introduced to movable type from Korea. In a society as urbanized and civilized as china's an invention like this should have spurred industrialization but it didn't in fact even 300 years after the invention of the movable type when Gutenberg began Europe could produce over 3000 words a day compared to china's 700. The complexity of the chinese language has always been a hindrance because equally complex systems had to be devised. Also not to mention the fact that it is a tonal language so its difficult for most people to learn as it is drastically different from their native language structure. Also, most of the world already uses english I mean just look at this website with so many people from so many different places who all speak english. It's just not gonna happen Chinese is too shit a language.
>>53150619 I can understand the preference for Japanese, though.
Since Japanese isnt actually an asian language, but an altaic one. Compared to Chinese, which is a single-syllable language, Japanese is using words made of multiple syllables. This has the effect that Japanese sounds better to europeans, who are used to long words with multiple syllables.
It is quite funny when I ask Japanese how they read certain Kanji, and they answer with a multi-syllable word for a character, which is just one syllable in Chinese.
>>53141934 >implying anybody successful actually bothers to learn that disgusting language
drones learn mandarin and their bosses, who can't be bothered to learn it, send them over to china to do deals for them. why would you give a yellow rat the satisfaction of seeing a mighty westerner speaking mandarin terribly?
>>53152250 Questionable conclusion, since classical Chinese, which is far more tonal than today (nine tones vs. 4-5 of modern mandarin), was the lingua franca of the upper-class of literati, diplomats and official throughout asia. Even the Japanese wrote Chinese back then at the court, with the indigenous Japanese language being invented by women, since they were too socially low and banned to use the 'high language' of that time.
You cannot justify a social construct such as the preeminence of a language with technicalities like these. A lingua franca is based on the overwhelming hard-power of a country/people that spreads it actively and passively. Which then transforms into a "soft power", that gets retroactively legitimated by made-up reasonings that cover the true reason for the existence/dominance of a certain system or order.
I know, this sounds like Femen or SJW bullshit to you, but at least this is where Foucault was right.
>>53152719 To illustrate that; the Japanese deitified a Heian-era diplomat to the Tang-Dynasty court to be the Kami of Learning (students to this day pray to him for successful passing of examinations):
>>53154138 China's will hardly fall into a prolonged recession, just as India, that is also experiencing growth slowdown.
Compared to Japan, which was already over-saturated (everythng that could be developed was already developed, leaving no place for growth anymore), China's still underdeveloped, which means that they still have a lot of space for internal development.
>>53142393 >its pointless the chinese will know english way better than most people will ever know mandarin
I feel that the English abilities of Chinese people are overestimated by people. Of course there are Chinese who speak English fluently, some even as good as natives. When I lived in Shanghai, yes, there were Chinese who were comfortable speaking English and liked to practice English. However, I've also encountered plenty of Chinese people who are afraid of speaking English due to their perception that their English is very bad and preferred to stick to Mandarin when talking with me. In China, English classes tend to be focused on passing tests like the Gaokao - they're not really focused on actual, every day communication.
Other important differences are that because China has a huge population, of course it'll seem like many Chinese can speak English well. Additionally, while all Chinese students nowadays study English in school, Chinese classes in western schools are much rarer. Perhaps people in western countries come into contact with Chinese people who speak English well, but one must remember that the Chinese people who live in western countries/attend western colleges tend to be wealthier, and perhaps better educated in English than the average Chinese person.
>>53162070 China: People are more open than Japan, it's a less developed country, everything is very cheap (at a really nice restaurant a meal for my friend and I cost 200 rmb total (~$30 usd), you'll need to pay for a VPN to access block sites and internet is typically very slow even in tier-1 cities like Shanghai, there is a big disparity between old Chinese people and young people in terms of education, manners, etc. due to China's rapid development.
Japan: People tend to be more shy and it's harder to become friends with Japanese people than Chinese people, fast internet, more expensive than China (even in Shanghai I found things to be cheap in general. In Tokyo everything is rather expensive, although outside of Tokyo it's a lot better in terms of costs)
Both: Food is good and healthy, public transportation is very good (at least in rural China, even rural areas tend to have decent bus systems), people are very friendly towards foreigners (I was visiting my friend in a rural Chinese city where foreigners are an uncommon sight, and when we were visiting a museum, the staff saw we were foreigners and let us skip the queue to get admissions tickets.)
I like both, but I personally prefer China due to its ethnic diversity, lower living expenses, more open people, and it's very exciting living in a developing country, seeing cities literally change around you over time.
Never been to Korea so I can't really comment on it.
Yeah they just don't tell anybody about their innovations or earth changing technologies, but we totally should believe them. It's not like a foreign power would lie to us about an asset to make themselves seem better.
>>53142478 This is also true. Seattle, Chicago, Portland, Minneapolis, Raleigh-Durham, Austin, Vancouver, Montreal, and Toronto are all viable tech alternatives to SV. Though, to be fair, all of dat sweet VC money still resides in the Bay Area which is very conducive to startups.
Plenty of major US cities only have bus systems and in many major US cities it's a necessary to have a car. Shanghai's subway system is clean, efficient, and gets me anywhere I want to go in Shanghai. China has bullet trains as well for quick transportation to other cities. T.bh even in a more rural Chinese city I found it to be quite walkable, and for longer distances there was the bus and taxis (which only were maybe 12 kuai at most for a trip).
I like China the way it is now. During my visit to Guangzhou & Hainan Isle, everything is so cheap even comparing to Chiang Mai or Saigon. Their street food is simply the best or at least one of it no doubt. Its has so much variety n flavour though i would tend to avoid watery stuff from travelling experience. Yes i know....gutter oil bla bla.. but who the fuck cares when you come from a 1st tier country where everything cost an arm and a leg and street food is pretty much non-existent. Their Asahi beer isnt on par as their japan counterpart, but it damn well outweighs its value. I really enjoy my time there Compare to Hong Kong or my country where 100usd is like chump change
>>53141934 China is doing little with their entertainment industry. They focus mainly on industry. Markets for creative products are shit. Most shit is pirated. What would be the benefits to me to try and localize works there?
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