What is non American /int/'s take on Bernie Sanders?
Bracing for /pol/ with VPNs but we'll see how this thread goes.
Posting number of IPs so people know you're not me the OP.
I do hope he wins though, I am voting for him.
I'm pro-Trump but I recognise that (minus the backlash) Bernie would probably be the best choice for all Americans, if you count things numerically.
But no one gives a shit if thousands of years ago, Rome had income equality in its last days.
Bernie doesn't have the balls of Hilary or Trump to get the nomination, but the anti-Hildog fall out when he fails will be interesting to see.
He is the best fucking candidate imo
Pity, he has no chance ;_;
Hillary is the lesser evil
I don't have a problem with Socialism,but Bernie Sanders is too liberal and weak. He loves to talk about how great Denmark is,but Denmark also have a centre-right government. Sweden on the other hand has a far left liberal government and Sweden is going down the shitter. America could become another Sweden with Sanders at the wheel.
What does Bernie Sanders stand for, politically?
I can't say for sure for I haven't researched the topic thoroughly but Bernie seems like the best candidate, he seem like a guy who wants to catch up with the rest of the world on most of the things people mock america for, such as health care. But I don't believe he has any chance of winning, americans are too afraid of anything remotely close to social democracy.
I suppose people are flipping their shit over his ideas?
It's fucking america we are talking about. Bernie Sanders goes against everything american and what makes you guys stand out and be great. Socialism doesn't belong in america and will make you weak.
Based Bernie is the only real choice 2bh.
The only arguments against him literal memes.
>le essjaydubya cuckold
>he is communist kurwa my grandpa waited 3 hours in breadlines *toilet cleaning intensifies*
>fucken kids these days and their free shit, brb buying gold
>he is going to crash economy t. wall street
Does he promote the US being the world police, still?
>facts are memes
The sanders voter base ladies and gentlemen, so long as we give all of our money to Saudi Arabia and more affirmative action and free shit dor greedy liberal college students theyre happy.
>americans are too afraid of anything remotely close to social democracy.
Not really, he's drawing tons of attention despite the media trying their best to ignore him.
I dunno why corporations are so afraid of paying taxes.
OH I MADE 70 BILLION DOLLARS THIS YEAR, I REALLY DON'T WANNA GIVE EVEN A TAD OF IT UP TO IMPROVE THE COUNTRY AND LIVES OF MY COUNTRYMEN
donald trump and ben carson (but mostly donald turmp) have sucked away any coverage of other candidates (republican or democrat) in the british press. sometimes there's a bit about hillary.
so i know fuck all about him, nor do i care. i want trump to get elected for the LOLs and the LELs and the KEKs.
He sounds alright, though I gotta admit I literally have no idea about his ideas otherwise.
He will never stand a chance against Clinton or Trump though, right?
Those reddit pieces of shit want to start an online smear campaign
I have the same problem with Sanders as I do with Trump, I don't trust his competency to fulfill the duties of office. the primary duty of the presidency is to deal with foreign policy, not domestic, and were America embroiled in a hypothetical crisis with say ISIS or Russia, I wouldn't trust either to make the correct decisions to avert disaster. Sanders would be too weak and Trump too stupid. Sanders and his socialist bullshit is better suited for the legislative, rather than the executive, branch of government. plus he's old as fuck.
>destroy America as you know it
Good riddance, 2bh.
>MUH FREE STUFF IS GONNA COME OUT IF THIN AIR BERNIE SAYS SO
Most of Europe has many social policies like free healthcare and education and function just fine with it coming out of "thin air" aka taxes
>blah blah punish rich blah blah
The rich wouldn't be rich if not for the government creating order, time to pay their due.
free college for all the kids to enroll in women's studies, black history and liberal arts bullshit
safe spaces included
i'd take tax increases if these schools cut out all bullshit like that and stricter enrollment
Kek, I am a diasporafag and know exactly what I'm talking about.
>Lots of welfare programs
>A fucking "vale cultura"
>Labour laws strict af
If that's not social democracy I don't know what it is.
>Most of Europe...
The US isn't Europe. Why don't people understand this?
>The Rich need to pay their due!
yes, every rich person isn't nothing more than a product of government money. There's no way any of them worked hard and earned their money from the ground up. Why do you feel entitled to other people's money?
Most european countries don't hage a population of 350 million people dumbass, nor as many niggers.
Are you fucking retarded?
don't answer that you're voting sanders of course you are.
>mfw browsing this thread and realizing that american conservatism is literally an aggregation of memes
>Le tax evasion by putting money in another country meme
>Im going to post dumb, misdirecting opinions in the hopes his statement will be ignored and disregarded so as to avoid the fact that I cannot respond in kind with an eloquently devised rebuttal to his debate.
Try harder shill.
meanwhile american leftism is literally an aggregation of jealousy, faggotry, idiotism and treason
oh wait, leftism is like that everywhere in the world, right.
I take my memes all day
>they have to resort to memes because there is literally nothing wrong with Bernie
Why are conservashits so awful /int/?
Our social measures are far from being any problem.
Our taxes are ridiculously distributed, the regulation on small business is too tight while the big guys has small taxes and regulation. Our politicians are the most expensive of the world if you count all the benefits and we are top 2 of the world in tax evasion.
With all that, blaming the small social measures like our ridiculously small welfare (less than U$20) is quite shallow. They are the least you would expect with the huge taxes that we pay.
I've never said the Nazis were left wing.
You could maybe argue that they were centrist (muh third way), but imo that was largely window-dressing, especially after the Rohm purge.
>Want a government that exists to take care of it's people, gives everyone chances to move up the ladder regardless of birth and make sure it's impossible to die to starvation/elements
He is completely ignorant of sound economics and is trying to use the whole "it's us vs. them" meme to validate his crank ideas. I mean he's a leftist for crying out loud. Of course he would destroy the US economy.
He is a filthy anti White kike rat and sould be deported to the nearest oven ASAP
I was a Ron Paul fan in the last few elections, now I'm a fan of Bernie
Basically anyone who tries to talk about actual political and economic things and sticks to their principles, instead of shameless richfags just trying to dazzle everyone with buzzwords
>implying burgers are just pic related
Remember, they're also the birthplace of BLM and tumblr.
The point we're trying to make is that we'd rather live in a civilized, morally upright and homogeneous society rather than one in which incompetent morons rule what's left of a once prosperous country in which you were free to succeed or fail in life through your own merits and value.
Exactly what they did IRL.
Subsequently, everyone criticized BLM for being obnoxious then promptly forgot about it.
It only gets brought up on here because it's material for dank cuck memes, and it's pretty much the only thing rightards have on him.
Most of your shit is organized on state level anyway, and none of your states has even close to Germany's population.
Also I fucking swear you are one of those faggots who post about immigrants in Europe and yet now you claim that yurop cunts are actually homogenous.
Or he could have not been a cuck to begin with and have his security remove them, and tell them to fuck off.
>But it would have made it look like he didn't care about their cause!
Better that than looking like a weak faggot in front of a nation.
Most of Europe is fundamentally different from the US though, and Social Democracy was tailored to these differences.
>The US has way too much inequality to make it work, American middle class is relatively tiny, shrinking and poorer and they have to bear the brunt of the taxes
>Most European states have pitiful military expenses which are impossible for the US to attain without disrupting itself
>American upper class is far too influential and wealthy to pay anything, they'll just have the dwindling middle class pay for it.
>American partisan two-party politics is woefully ill-suited to implementing welfare policies well, hence why things like Medicaid are bloated and inefficient compared to European ones
>American millenials already pursue absolute bullshit degrees and this trend will only increase if you make it free
And, ultimately, social democracy isn't even working that well in Europe. It's far too socially and economically fragile for even the societies it was specifically devised for.
Bernie is the suicidal choice, Trump is the future.
Kill yourself udnerage subhuman apoitical kike shill nigger
>the only thing rightards have on him.
Oh but the leftards have their own problementations ;^)
>looked like the weak old man he is
>in front of the nation and the world
>he wants to lead an entire nation
>But can't tell them to fuck off when they strong arm him off his own stage
>THINGS WORKED OUT FINE GUISE!
>I'm making min wage this sucks
>Go to school, free or even get paid to go
>Come out with a more valuable career, no debt, contribute more to society, pay back my tution in increased taxes from a higher wage
>I'm making min wage this sucks
>You're under 25 and thus tied to your parents income they make too much we can't help sorry
>You're 25 now, here's a loan that will take you 30 years to pay off
Handouts were only necessary because a very small elite had usurped literally all the land and imported slaves to work the fields, which is very reminiscent of the current situation in America(a very small few owning almost everything and importing Mexicans to do what few jobs remain).
In the beginning when all land was distributed amongst free farmers the Republic was stable as fuck.
It got so far that handouts were necessary because otherwise the mob quite literally tore the rich apart. And this was taken advantage of by populist fucks like Julius Caesar, Clodius and similar scum.
Forced equality is shit. Doesn't mean that equality is shit.
Rand is the best candidate by far. While he is against the government overreach, unlike Bernie he
>1. Means it because his ideas don't require immense amounts if centralization
>2. Is not a cuck but also not dumb
>3. Wants everything to be more simple
Yes, but correct me if I'm wrong, isn't almost everything except for the military and shit like FBI and CIA organized on state level instead of federal level? So what's the problem?
Americans need to detach social and fiscal politics.
I bet many socially conservative Americans are voting D because they're not millionaires.
Instead of catering to a small group of college/internet libertarian cucks, the Republicans should cater to this large group of social conservatives who are too poor for le libertarian internet meme.
>Supports THE meme candidate
>implying i support DUDE WALL LMAO
Only objectivism goyim, all power to the jews
He'll win whether the right wants it or not, it'll be a benefit to the vast majority of americans, but Americans are classcucked harder than any other people on earth, the fact that the left has fallen for the intersectionality meme only makes it harder to get people like 4channers into left wing politics. Unless you're a millionaire you'll be better off under Sanders
This whole nobody caring thing seems to be a theme with our Mr Bernz
But honestly, it would be a HUUUUGE upset if Bernie takes the nomination from Hillary. That would be amazing to see. It would also guarantee a Trump presidency but as pre-show entertainment a BErnie nomination would be glorious.
This guy could be a good head of labor or something else that is a 100% domestic-related job, but this guy's foreign poicy is so shaky, I wouldn't even trust him with stamping passports at the air port
>I'm making min wage this sucks
>I lack any motivation to do beetter or be independent so I wont make sacrifices like get a roommate or live in a shitty area for a bit
>I want more money but I refuse to try and apply fro higher paying jobs or work in industries like manufacturing that pay well and don't have lots of experience requirements
>I'm going to cry and complain about how unfair life is, even though I'm a pampered child who has never really worked
>trump is pro-israel
>his daughter got cucked into judaism and he is proud of it
is there no strong anti-jewish candidate against big capital?
Reminder that cringy subhuman redditcuck shills have been caught multiple times shilling for their kike SJW anti White candidate all over 4chan
You goddamn retard. Obviously nothing is free.
What the fuck is this criticism? Sanders just wants to borrow ideas from the EU. As it stands you all have lower ginis and higher hdis.
>The vast majority of USA was built by whites who owned guns and their ideas of liberty.
>No, fuck you, this is my country now and I take away your right because my feelings are hurt.
>The vast majority of muslim countries are built by muslims and no white american is forcing any muslims to leave those countries.
>the Republicans should cater to this large group of social conservatives who are too poor for le libertarian internet meme
They do, lad.
What do you think the Christfaggotry and racism is all about?
Honestly if this income gap shit gets any worse you're right in that there will be a revolution.
But the rich seem to think the poor are placated enough, but when people start going hungry no amount of brain washing is gonna stop revolution.
Not OP but yes to a degree. However the feds use coercion to dictate the states. A prime example is drinking age. The drinking age used to be 16 in most states until in the 70s when the government said "if you don't raise your drinking age we'll stop giving you money for infrastructure"
Yeah, I'm not a libertarian so that is fine. I'm just saying I appreciate these stubborn old guys who actually try to talk about real things, whether they are right or wrong, rather than >muh build a wall and >muh war on terror
Ron Paul always amused me when he would go on Fox and start talking about the origins of US involvement in the middle east in the 50's and the shah of Iran. They would shut him up real quick. I get a similar feeling from Bernie when he talks about campaign financing and the Koch brothers. Maybe I'm just being fooled by memes too, but at least these are danker.
If they just made some small changes in their fiscal policy the Republicans would rule forever instead of becoming a meme party like it is now.
Primarily they should stop sucking corporate cock and actually support the middle class(which is the backbone of all countries and especially America). Not that the Democrats don't suck corporate cock and fuck the middle class over too but they are better at hiding it.
That's how it looks from over here anyway.
yeah there is no jewish conspiracy whatsoever grzegorz, that's why rotschilds are not richest people and their off-shoots don't rule the banking. all big capital is owned by white european xtian people like you and me
capitalism is good for you goy. dismantle the state lol! anarcho-capitalism only way for the country
>I bet many socially conservative Americans are voting D because they're not millionaires.
>Instead of catering to a small group of college/internet libertarian cucks, the Republicans should cater to this large group of social conservatives who are too poor for le libertarian internet meme.
Social conservatism is dying out. Most youth are not socially conservative so pandering to a depleting portion of the population is pointless.
>Sanders just wants to borrow ideas from the EU.
>What the fuck is this criticism?
well I wonder
could it be tied to EU being a fucking dying out cesspool of irrelevant cuck nations that is about to dismantle itself?
just leave /int/ already
EU is basically what the US was under the articles of confederation (what we had before the Constitution) and our politicians realized they had two options to be effective back then 1. Dissolve or 2. Federalize. However it doesn't seem like Europeans recognize that and that's why the EU is so inefficient
you need to leave this world you communist faggot
Why do you think Augustus and the other emperors gave the masses "free" bread and hosted all those gladiator matches, animal shows and chariot races? To placate the mob.
One can draw quite a lot of parallells with late Republican/Early Imperial Rome and America I think. Most people are content as long as they are fed and entertained.
The great problem is of course how to change this. Just taking the wealth from the rich and distributing it doesn't work as history has proven. But not doing anything eventually leads to societal collapse which history has also proven. It's a tough as fuck nut to crack.
I will be voting for sanders.
I think I can describe my political outlook like this; a while ago the new zealand elections were going on and one of those silly tests were posted here to see which parties most correspond to you. My first result was the right wing nationalist NZ First, then the socialists, then the greens.
Honestly if this becomes a trump v sanders thing, I'll vote for sanders as I am a fan of stability, but either outcome would make me happy.
You've called me a sheep twice now. Who exactly am I following? Did I say I'm voting for Bernie? Did I say I voted for Paul? I said I'm a fan.
I don't claim to be educated on all political fronts, I'm just in favor of the free flow of information. I like watching people go up against the dominant media. Am I a sheep because I like observing debates, or what?
Hilary is more stupid than Trump, and that's hilarious.
She constantly backpedals on shit she said, and even said "Don't ignore me because I'm not "pure" enough"
Honestly she'd be worse than Bush if she won.
Honestly, hes a populist. We have a lot of these in europe and I dont understand how can americans fall for that. Offering to buy out your voters is like number one populist way of winning.
>raise minimal pay
>benefits for everyone
Ill admit that his background does make him seem more like a sincere person than a regular populist, but I could never respect a candidate that openly offers to buy out his voters.
Besides, you guys do know that reddit is a company that has backers (ad's suppliers and etc) and that they have their own agenda? The same way 4chan has its agenda of free internet.
Also, as a lithuanian, once this socialist takes power, I can already imagine Putin having an easier time achieving his foreign policy goals. Bush had him under control, to some extent. Obama and his "resetting" of relations gave free reign to Putin and only once he started doing what he wanted he got cockblocked by obama's actions. Now this socialist isolationist nigger lover.
>continue to fuck yourselves over economically so you can keep protecting us
Maybe you and Poland should quit being butthurt over centuries old bullshit and start working together against Mother Bear instead of relying on us, desu senpai.
>But not doing anything eventually leads to societal collapse which history has also proven. It's a tough as fuck nut to crack.
Taxing the rich is what should happen, but becoming a waremongering thief nation could help too.
>Maybe you and Poland should quit being butthurt over centuries old bullshit and start working together against Mother Bear instead of relying on us, desu senpai.
We should and I hope that we are going that way. Trust me, im all in for ensuring our own defense, but at the same time I am all in for 'murica world police. Anything that ensures the most dead ruskies is sure to gain my support. I give zero shits on mudslime rights or niggers who steal shit and get shot.
He's pro-equality in general.
His main platform is fighting the growing divide between the rich and poor in the United States, by reducing living expenses for the poor and making taxes on the rich more fair.
In addition, he hopes to reduce unemployment through social spending to improve American infrastructure, and increase social mobility through more affordable education for the lower class.
>Social conservatism is dying out. Most youth are not socially conservative so pandering to a depleting portion of the population is pointless.
Most polls and "research" claiming this is ignoring the fact that people in the 16-29 age group are afraid of having unpopular opinions.
And people become more conservative as they age. Many of our most notorious social conservatives here in Denmark are former marxists.
Even the older and leading MPs from our social democratic party are today against non-western immigration:
>getting a high paying job when youre poor is as easy as applying filling out a job application!
If it was that easy there wouldnt be so many poor people. Poor people have to work multiple jobs and work way more than full time, but get no health insurance since they don't work 40 hours in a single job.
>Many of our most notorious social conservatives here in Denmark are former marxists.
Thats a common thing everywhere. Marxism stopped being popular and no one looks at marxisms seriously, so they jumped on another socialist-free-ride.
First of all, you're assuming DUDE WALL LMAO is going to become President, which is a bit of a stretch.
Secondly, outside of /k/, lots of people are tired of dead kids (and memeing "MUH CHILLUNS" isn't going to stop that).
Now, I don't believe that banning guns, or even strictly regulating them is the solution, but let's be realistic.
Many attempts at lesser regulation have been completely stopped (inb4 MUHCAKE comic) and the most pro-gun politicians also happen to be the most against any non-gun control solutions (i.e. funding for mental health, lessening intercity poverty, etc.)
There's going to be some sort of gun control in the near future, and it's not going to simply be Le Kenyan Muslim pushing through a radically unpopular policy. Most Americans seem to want something done (though I do believe a majority also support the 2nd Amendment to some extent) and since all previous efforts have been shot down (wew) whatever does get shoved through is going to probably be more severe than it needed to be.
>I'll work tons of jobs with low hours and not get any benefits, and complain, instead of finding a job with 40 hours and benefits, like in blue collar work!
Blue collar jobs are always looking for people. Construction companies will pay for you to become a certified welder and make over 25 dollars an hour.
PLEASE TELL ME THIS IS B8, PLEASE TELL ME MY FELLOW /INT/ FRIENDS AREN'T THIS DUMB
>Taxing the rich
You can only tax the rich as much as they allow themselves to be. If you overstep that, they'll find ways to siphon off that income elsewhere and NOBODY is going to stop them. Being rich gives you possibilities and one of those possibilities is being rich somewhere else.
As for a tax for those who earn a lot like top bankers, managers etc., that's a meme tax that's going to net meager millions tops. Those people are a negligible part of the population. It's just something to placate the poor's envy.
If you want to really fuck over the rich, start removing regulations and subsidies protecting them.
>deny the validity and truth value polls which unanimously point to social conservatism being unpopular among US youth
Let's begin with what is social conservatism. It usually deals with issues regarding sex, drugs, family, and religion. Regarding sex, it is painfully obvious that people have a more relaxed attitude towards sex than 20 years ago. This is evidenced by today's hookup culture. Regarding drugs, most American youth are in favor of legalizing marijuana. Regarding family, more people are in favor of allowing early term abortion. Gay marriage too. And today people are less religious than ever. Is this all because these people don't want to have unpopular opinions? No. Is this going to change as people grow older. Absolutely not.
Trump is elected, I guarantee you /pol/ will be the ones crying
>provides intelligence services unprecedented privileges and eventually closes sites like 4chan
>/pol/ crowd congregate at stormfront and other conservicuck websites where they are surprised they have to provide stronger evidence than MS Paint comics
>nukes any semblance of income equality
>nukes healthcare and makes it prohibitively expensive
>deports/prevents entry of Mexicans and 90% of /pol/ is forced to undertake minimum wage jobs while the remaining laugh at and mock them
>begins a number of wars or proxy battles and /pol/tards have to suffer through mandatory enlistment
and the best part
>corporations provided more power and re-elect him
Let's make America great Again! for the top 10% at least lel.
Not alot, but you can spot them (they tend to stand out). Most of them come here for studies and because of that they are only in the capital and maybe one or two other cities. There is no need for them as cheap labour force because we get russians and polacks fulfilling that role.
Plus this >>53046392
That doesn't make any sense, anon. Like I said, who am I following? I am watching them.
>without actually having a political opinion of your own
Ah, so because I don't adhere to one of the established teams and root for it like I'm at a sports game, I am a sheep. I see. I must be some kind of nihilist with no opinions, no property, no allegiances, and no desires, because I prefer to observe the actions of individual policymakers regardless of what parties they are from. lol
You might be right. Shit is still bad, either way.
>Ukraine is being split apart by the EU and Russia with either side winning being a loss for the Ukrainians
If that is really what pol believes, then I am surprised, because I kinda agree on that. Problem is that Poroshenko trusts the west too much.
they hope trump get elected so this can happen
>I'd rather a rock be president than her.
What, you mean a relation reset and approaching Russia as an equal will not work?
Isn't Clinton already pretty muched fixed as the Democrats' candidate of choice anyway? Who cares about him.
My personal opinion of this guy is that he should be killed for using "socialism" as a synonym for social democracy. Don't really care a lot about America's domestic politicies except memetically.
I might be overstating this, but for me it seems that even though Bush had a lot of marketing mistakes, he had a grip on foreign policy.
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I don't really know how much of the shit he says is him pandering and being a jackass to attract voters and how much he means it. I'm pro-Trump because he seems like the only possible Republican candidate to beat the Dems. Bottom line, I'm counting on him doing less damage than Sanders would've done.
>implying there is any difference
Socialists, no matter what prefix or suffix they use, are always bad news. Crack open a history book, for fuck´s sake.
>mfw both yuropoors (driven by envy) and Americans (driven by irrational reactions to fearmongering) seem to love destroying what makes America great
Stop butchering the Bill of Rights and move to China, you authoritarian fuckwits.
>Reminder that only in the US is someone with his beliefs a meme
>Reminder that OPs thread was asking what other nations think of him, completely within the rules of /int/
>Reminder that /pol/ is the worst board on 4chan and does more to harm the site's image than /b/ and /v/
Democratic socialist = someone who supports the abolition of private ownership (note - a broader term than communism which only refers to Marxist socialism) and democracy. Do you think that describes his views accurately? Unlikely.
Good thing Jim webb didnt get any votes the moderate democrat, war hero, Secretary of the Navy and senator, no instead we have Hillary, a socialist and a realility t.V star. Iam deeply disappointed in my countrymen.
our current interest in the middle east is syria where we have drones.
we want assad out of power putin wants him in power.
unless putin drops assad or assad wants to become a puppet of USA I don't think well find a common ground.(both outcomes are unlikely)
the only eastern european country that likes us is poland. but most of eastern europe is part of nato and we won't abandon nato for a new partnership with russia.
I could see a us-russian coordinated bombing on isis though.
>Reminder that /pol/ is the worst board on 4chan and does more to harm the site's image than /b/ and /v/
Hardly, /pol is the meme capital of 4chan and central to modern imageboard culture.
Also, the community of /b/ has done serious harm to real people in real life on multiple occasions, whileas /pol/ has never done anything of the sort at afaik.
There won't be a revolution you fucking cuck
Actually seeing the way the French and Russian revolutions went, the reality is the exact opposite, France and Russia were undergoing huge growth and most landowners had acquired their land within two generations on the eve of their revolutions.
>>Reminder that only in the US is someone with his beliefs a meme
its really funny that you believe this
he's a career politician from the whitest most affluent WASP state in the union who has repeatedly voted against his "beliefs"
either way he's even more unelectable than trump and no one outside of the internet even cares about him.
hell even Trump has more minority support than Bernie does.
>he had a grip on foreign policy.
>invaded a country on the basis that they had WMDs
>turns out it was lie
>with out a dictator keeping rebellion at bay isis rises and starts slaughtering people
bush made alot of countries hate america and gave us a bad image.
look at the bush years
You people want Bernie because you want your FREE STUFF, MAN
/int/ is full of unemployed fucks with history degrees so it doesn't surprise me
>>Reminder that /pol/ is the worst board on 4chan and does more to harm the site's image than /b/ and /v/
>the sites image
oi I'm laffin
go back to reddit of you honestly care what those mongs think,
>On the contrary
Explain yourself. How is infringing on/wanting to infringe on God-given American liberties not authoritarian?
>That's not always the case
Socialists don't believe in private property. This probably sparks from their jealousy of their more talented contemporaries who usually manage to aquire property by utilizing their unique skills.
What the burger said. That is the definition of socialism as an ideology, even though confused American's use it synonymously with concepts such as the welfare state and social democracy
>homorights advocates wanting to show solidarity with pro russian rebels who hate fags
>in a war between a incompetent kiev government who thinks the first chechen war is a good example of how to handle rebellions
>and rebels supporting russian landgrabs because the rest of the country wanted to get rid of a corrupt despot and also thinks killing POWs and beating the shit out of anyone who didn't wanna be russian
>both sides accusing each other of being jewish puppets when both of their respective sugar daddies have large jewish lobbies
>but also both accusing each other of being evil fascists
>and total degenerates
I bet these dumb fucks would wear a Che Guevara t-shirt at a peace/human rights/black lives matter rally.
welfare and social democracy are perfectly comparable with a capitalist market economy, look at Scandinavia for an example
socialism however requires planned and controlled economics, and therefore control of the people.
revolutions are determined by hunger.
both those countries faced a famine before and during their revolutions.
large mobs of hungry people are what causes revolutions, that why the romans employed the tactic of bread and circus to keep the people at bay.
I already implied he had a shitty public image. His invasion of iraq was good enough for me m8. Shit with WMD's wouldnt even be needed for me.
>support terrorist organizations around the globe
>kill minorities in your country
>basically, support anything to destabilise the region
The "saddam would stop isis" meme needs to die. Saddam was isis on his own, same way as gaddafi and other shitheads.
>I bet these dumb fucks would wear a Che Guevara t-shirt at a peace/human rights/black lives matter rally.
Thats like a no-brainer.
Nah. They're anti-imperialist but they are much more concerned with resisting the Turks and ISIS.
We'd openly ally ourselves with them (as we do with the Iraqi Kurds) if we didn't need to preserve the alliance with Turkey to keep Russia out of the Mediterranean.
>socialism however requires planned and controlled economics, and therefore control of the people.
Social democracy also requires a lot of population control, mainly through rewarding "good" consuming with low taxes and "bad" consuming with high taxes.
>welfare and social democracy are perfectly comparable with a capitalist market economy, look at Scandinavia for an example
No Scandinavian country is a "market economy". Take a look at our labour laws, tax rates and regulatory jungles before you splurge outright lies.
>arguing with an American "liberal"
These people don't possess the mental capacity required for comprehending the conceptual differences between the Old World and New World. It's a lost cause.
The US was meant to be further-left than Europe (the language the founders would have used was "positive liberal").
Now that Europe is further left than the United States, one could argue that the US ought to shift leftward to better match the vision of our founding fathers.
>Not to be like FORMER Europe, faglord.
Europe is still a backwards, feudal shithole if compared to America, faglord.
>Current Europe shits on us in the happiness of the common man.
Did you include the poverty-stricken eastern block in that count? What indexes did you use to measure "happiness"?
We wanted to avoid certain aspects of European governance that no longer exist in Western Europe - aristocracy, theocracy, and autocracy.
Ironically, the US is now somewhat like what we wanted to escape.
>The US was meant to be further-left than Europe (the language the founders would have used was "positive liberal").
But you're dead wrong, you goddamn idiot. The founding fathers of the United States were staunch classical liberals, i.e. champions of LIMITED GOVERNMENT and NEGATIVE LIBERTY.
>We wanted to avoid certain aspects of European governance that no longer exist in Western Europe - aristocracy, theocracy, and autocracy.
We have mob rule now, i.e. democracy, which is just as shitty as everything you just mentioned.
PS. Europeans had no free press, free speech, a right to keep and bear arms or protection against unreasonable search and seizure.
>Ironically, the US is now somewhat like what we wanted to escape.
Really? Do you get thrown in jail for anti-semitism? Are your taxes secretly twice as high as they are on paper? Do you have to use "proportional force" when defending life and property? Are you regarded as a dangerous serf, fit to bear arms only when in service of your nation or after subjecting to a lengthy licensing procedure (after which you can't bear arms, only keep them)?
You Americans are a thousand times more free than us old-world plebeians could ever dream of being.
>all these people saying that universal healthcare is impossible in usa because were different from europe
what the fuck are you talking about my state has universal healthcare right now? In MA your not allowed to even be un-insured so the government will give you MASS health if your to poor to afford regular insurance or if your job won't offer you any.
the whole "were larger than european countries" doesn't hold water because you can just have the universal healthcare system be managed by each state for efficiency. also canada has it.
>constant threads made by euros about how usa is a 3rd world country because they don't have healthcare/free education and have mass shootings due to little gun control
>thread made by burgers saying how they want to be more like europe is filled with europeans saying that america has it way better than europe
im confused am I still on /int/?
>the whole "were larger than european countries" doesn't hold water because you can just have the universal healthcare system be managed by each state for efficiency.
First off, universal healthcare is not efficient at all if the goal is a high quality of care and being on the forefront of medical research. We have more accessible care, yes, but it isn't as useful when push comes to shove.
Secondly, universal healthcare goes against the traditional American values of self-reliance and self-determination. Taxes are a necessary evil, not a blessing, you nitwit.
>also canada has it.
And that is supposed to prove what, exactly?
>First off, universal healthcare is not efficient at all if the goal is a high quality of care
you could have the highest quality of care in the world but it doesn't mean jackshit if only 30% of people can afford the care.
>implying all Europeans are brainwashed, subservient cu ckolds
Some of us don't like being treated as second-grade citizens.
Not actually free.
>mass shootings due to little gun control
To put it bluntly: niggers and latinos in gangs are what ruin American homicide statistics. White/Asian American neighborhoods, even if they are heavily armed, are no more violent than white European neighborhoods.
TL;DR: Europeans who bash America are usually clueless about their own society AND American society. They are, in short, stupid.
>you could have the highest quality of care in the world but it doesn't mean jackshit if only 30% of people can afford the care.
Sure, but Strawmen aren't really of any relevance, are they?
Because you have large unchecked migrant population. Your doctors are charging exorbitant sums becuase of exorbitant settlements in courts. Who do you think is going to pay that now? Not even Europe can afford its free healthcare in the long run and it only works because the doctors are state employees so the state can regulate their wages.
Universal healthcare will bankrupt you. It will prolong the life of all those old, useless poor people who no longer work and are currently dying in their 60s and 70s. Not to mention immigrants stuffing themeselves with fastfood getting diabetes and heart attacks.
Is being a serf preferable to being a free man? And no, your "free" healthcare" and "free" education don't weigh up for the authoritarian governments ruling this backwards continent.
This is pure bullshit though
I'm not sure what you have in the Czech repulbic but here insurance companies are make billions of euro's in revenu that they were forced by the government to lower tarifs.
what if I told you it sucks in Europe too?
>I think he is the most reasonable alternative.
His campaign is based on promising "free" stuff. The man doesn´t seem to have a basic sense of economics. His stances on foreign policy are murky at best.
The Bern is the shittiest possible alternative. I'd rather obey Ted Cruz than this senile old fart.
>We wouldn't have any SJW cuck shit if our society was more equal and available. Bernie Sanders is the best choice. Cuckservatives want to keep it a Laissez-faire third world shithole.
Are you baiting or are you for real?
well obviously we know how to run our state the best in the union.
>We wouldn't have any SJW cuck shit if our society was more equal and available.
Forced "equality" isn´t worth striving for.
>Bernie Sanders is the best choice.
His trump card is promising "free stuff" with no regard for the costs.
>Cuckservatives want to keep it a Laissez-faire third world shithole.
America is among the richest countries in the world. It's population is the most politically emancipated.
Stop with the pathetic self-loathing.
I "support" Rand Paul - he's the only candidate who actively fights against federal government expansion. I have no vote, though, seeing as I'm finnish, and thus my opinion won't exactly have any measurable effect on American politics.
>south imports blacks by the ship loads
>then complains that there's too many blacks
not the north's fault southerners are retarded.
>where most of the wealth belongs to the top 20% lel
...and where the middle-class is also the richest - richer than your middle class, for example.
>you will be the first to go on the day of the rope
>implying I fear a dutchman with rope
I'll save the 7.62x39 for you.
NO country has "free" healtcare, stop spreading this dumb meme, everyone has affordable healtcare here but it's not free, you retards will never be able to differentiate anyway, why am I still trying.