UK 2D pedos being BTFO:
>A 39-year-old UK man has been convicted of possessing illegal cartoon drawings of young girls exposing themselves in school uniforms and engaging in sex acts.
>Police seized Hoque's computer in 2012 and said they found nearly 400 such images on it, none of which depicted real people but were illegal nonetheless because of their similarity to child pornography.
I just can't comprehend it. It's a cartoon.
I'd rather have people masturbating to cartoon kids than raping real ones.
>raping kids is ok
>2D lolis are haram
>convicted of possessing illegal cartoon drawings
>"This is material that clearly society and the public can well do without. Its danger is that it obviously deviant sexual activity, and the more it’s portrayed, the more the ill-disposed may think it’s acceptable," Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler told Shlomo Shekelberg regarding the confiscation of his degenerate art collection.
>This BUTTHURT Luxembourgian in every fucking thread about Britain with his tedious shitposts from 6 years ago
OK, so Britain went through a phase where we liked to test Orwellian security? So what? Orwell imagined a world where everyone is safe. He just focussed on the bad parts of society. It would be like me claiming the modern world is bad because of the people on poverty in Africa. In 1984 most people had a good quality of life, with security and happiness. It was actually quite the Utopia if you paid ATTENTION TO THE SUBTEXT.
And lel. Fucking luxembourg. The single least important nation in the entire Afro-Eurasian continental landmass. Famous for nothing, except being a shit tax haven, that people prefer Monaco over for that anyway. You think you know all about my country? Well, guess what, matey boy,I know a fair bit about yours. I know about the complete utter hopelessness. I know your country is nothing but a bit of saliva that dripped onto the floor during the kiss between Belgium and Netherlands. Guess what? We have WATCHFUL EYES over us because there is something worth watching. We have TV licenses because British TV is worth paying for. Luxembourg has nothing worth caring about so your government doesn't care.
And yet Strike Witches is not only for sale in Britain, it is given the official government seal of approval by the BBFC.
I would still be too afraid to buy it though. The police will happily ignore the fact that it is BBFC approved and prosecute you for having images of underage children in their underwear.
>Mudslimes rape real children
>Pigs protect them
>British man has some animu on his computer
>Send him to jail
Russia please save this shit hole of a country you're our only hope!
>not fapping to monstergirls
he's asking for it.
btw, what's legal age for elves, tentacle monsters, dragon-girls, eldritch horrors from the beyond and mutants?
Most of the stuff that comes out of Westminster is ridiculous but they're spot on here. Everyone knows that anime is for nonces.
42% of anime users also look at real kiddy pics
Another 29% go on to try and abuse a real child
Lock them up and throw away the key.
Weird poster but a fact: The less CCTV in the area, the sketchier it gets. I am strongly in favour of CCTV everywhere possible.
Huh? What's so unusual about it? By the law, you should get the TV license so not paying for it is criminal and they've got all the right to track you down.
Who? Literally who is that and why do you consider their opinion relevant?
CP is illegal in this country and I'm happy he got arrested. Law enforcement works in this country.
How the fuck can they justify this from a position of reason?
We had the exact same case a few years ago over here, where two homos took pictures of themselves using child-like avatars on second life having sex.
The judge decided that since it was apparent that the depiction of abuse was fictional with no actual people involved, there was no actual abuse case and thus nobody was convicted.
How the hell does this judge get to decide what is okay to draw and what isn't?
I certainly hope he won't accept the conviction and take it to a higher court, because this is utter nonsense.
>The less CCTV in the area, the sketchier it gets.
Is that a consequence of less CCTV or a consequence of the areas being shitty in the first place?
I'd wager that they'd set up CCTV in public areas first where not that much crime happens anyway.
>go punch someone and see what happens then come back and tell me the law doesn't work
You used this thing called "logic", it is very rare over here, almost non-existent in London.
It is an incredibly stupid stance and very shaky ground, but the guy just pleaded guilty so the law was never tested in court. If it were, there would be a slim chance that logic would prevail.
>mfw in addition to retarded import taxes buyfags are now going to get fucking arrested and buttplowed for cartoon drawings
It's not even funny anymore, I actually feel bad for you guys.
kek. it is the conservatives that are policing the internet harder than anyone else
I very much doubt that it does. Some drunk asshole who wants to beat you up will probably also do so in front of a camera simply because he's an idiot who doesn't think about the consequences. Certainly you might be able to find people easier and lock them up afterwards, but that doesn't save you from getting beaten up. And it's not like these sorts of people ever learn, so it's not an effective deterrent. Police presence could make things safer - but that costs actual money. Cameras are a placebo.
>Implying Americans are any better off than us
TOP FUCKING KEK
>you shouldn't have anything to hide
>you shouldn't have anything to hide
Enjoy your jail, UK fags.
You deserved it for being pedos.
>Keeping a dog for no reason but companionship is haram
>Dog saliva is unclean
>That's the limit of it
>Muslims have literally no religious reason to be offended by the presence of dogs unless they lick them or their clothes
>Muslims still hate dogs regardless
>Muslims hate other people having dogs
Why are muslims in britain so stupid? Is it to make up for america's illiterate christian cults?
>Nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide
Ah yes, the age old cry of the oppressor. If I had a pound for every time I heard that I would be a millionaire. Funny how they are not saying that when they get caught doing illegal shit.
>The laws are always just
>All crimes should be prosecuted
This is the dumbest thing when it comes from someone who can't legally defend themselves in their own home
At least I can hit a crook with a baseball bat without being charged for assault. No guns necessary.
Pedos like him deserve to get arrested
Faggots like you are just defending him because you can't live without your pedophile porn and immature cartoons, just grow up.
Thank you britbongians for putting that piece of shit in jail
Me being a pedo isn't the point. Arresting people for drawings is just stupid. And why don't you like little girls? They're cute
Erotic images of hatsune miku are illegal in the UK
She's underage. Only a pedo would want this.
I'm assuming your post is satire and you're playing the advocatus diaboli, but I'll bite. The problem with this surveillance machinery is first of all symbolic: it embodies a distrust of the citizen. He's not assumed law abiding but law breaking, for which he needs to be watched all the time. Then there's the issue, that all the data that is collected on people, while relatively safe in the hands of a proper democracy, can have catastrophic results if it falls into the hands of a dictatorship. Compare it to the "pink lists" that were made in Germany during the Wilhelminic period. The police gathered information on potential homosexuals. They didn't intervene, but just gathered it to be safe; because after all, such people are generally not to be trusted and it's good to have such information. Well, guess what happened after these lists fell into the hands of the Nazis?
What today is good and legal, might tomorrow become a crime, and all the data that is collected can and will be used against you. A major procedural problem is of course also how murky it has become - especially in the Anglosphere - regarding police and intelligence agencies, since they have different rights when it comes to gathering data. The police is for good reason more restraint when it comes to that and shouldn't be allowed to bother people if they haven't done anything illegal. Intelligence agencies on the other hand often gather data under different premises - if these agencies are allowed to share their data, people might end up in the focus of law enforcement even if law enforcement wouldn't legally be allowed to investigate.
>And why don't you like little girls? They're cute
This. If you're not incidentally a little pedo, then there's something wrong with you.
If they're seeking out drawings they're already attracted to real kids, and probably trying to distract themselves and fetishize the anime style until real kids are too "3dpd" to be boner-worthy.
I know of several furfags that did something similar to manage their zoophilia and start having sex with humans.
>tfw one of them is my brother
so easy to bait. Actually i'm not pedo but arresting people for drawings is still the stupidest thing ever. UK confirmed to be agaisnt humans right, freedom of speech and art.
Anti-lolicons can't into logic
>be innocent pedo
>disgusted with self
>turn to loli
>can no longer get hard to real little girls
>become a happy, productive member of society
>zealous, islam-tier government ruins your life anyways
>sends you to jail
>you come out persecuted and disillusioned
>nothing really matters anymore
>grab a kid and rape them in broad daylight
Drawing rape on paper without rapiing anyone IS freedom of expression.
Even if pedo. what change? No abuse. No victim. False justice!
So much of this. Innocent people who just like fapping to hentai are treated as criminal and have nothing to lose will become criminals soon.
If they are sexually attracted to children they will never "quit it" you're as stupid as the retards here advocating "Pray the gay away!"
I'd rather see people use 2d then actually think about harming a child.
Asians have no womanly features that make women attractive in the first place. Yellow fever also leads to severe social problems and being a virgin, or wait, no, it leads to severe NEET problems like getting laid with easy sluts that are eager to start families and get their VISAs.
>yellow fever is socially acceptable pedophilia
>asians are a way to nip your kiddie cravings in the bud and be a moral person
It all makes sense now
Weebs are pedos trying to better themselves
No. Nazi wasn't as bad as UK now. Fuck you disgusting jew
what's next? "man arrested for owning copy of Lolita, convicted as possible paedophile"
>Living in a shithole
>Wasn't born in Western Europe
If there is nothing wrong with homosexuality (a wrong behaviour and a sexual perversion) then there is nothing wrong with paedophilia. Or are you saying homos should be jailed? Because they should but you have no right to tell the truth.
legal =/= high quality art representing culture of glorious motherland.
By that logic incest and rape porn - not to mention all the worse kinds - should also be banned. (I'm talking about actual, acted porn here ofc.) If you fantasize about something, that means you're going to commit it as well, right? And fueling the flames is just bad?
I'm not saying I defend actual CP in any shape or form, but these are lines on a paper we are talking about. Just look at this hardcore material I just made up. Even if you made it hyper-realistic looking it's still as much a criminal act as shooting a grannies brains out in GTA.
we even have pedocriminal in govenment
>mfw i've 2 copies of this book
To be perfectly fair, there is a big difference between a paedo and a child molester, just like there's a difference between being gay and an MSM. Most paedos don't molest children, and a lot of molesters aren't actually attracted to the children, They're just exercising their power over them
>not attracted to little girls
Christ, you people really are fags sometimes...
Also Kuro best girl
It's more than that. It have a cathartic function to stop lusting on real children. Nobody is hurt and you can fap in peace.
The judge decide. The judge being a retard and her being flat chested...welcome to jail!
Pedo means foot so it means someone with a foot fetish
But back on topic, a paedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to children. Just like you can be gay without having sex with men, you can be a paedo without having sex with children.
That's like saying prison rapist falls under the category of homosexual. It doesn't.
I wouldn't, I'd enjoy it but I understand that it's morally wrong and would damage the childs psyche.
Not everybody would break into someones house if they had the chance, I leave my door unlocked as do most people here.
you are defending being a pedophile, go talk to someone away from 4chan about that opinion and report back to us on how well it goes, would you allow a Pedo to babysit your child if you had one?
Brown little magical girls are the best! You're my friend, Finland. Let's attack UK together, and kill all jews.
People like you just perpetuate the problem, we should tackle the problem proactively instead of ostrocising paedophiles and having to deal with it after some poor child has been abused
We only want consensual bedcuddle with small girls. No pedo.
I'd only allow someone I know and trust to babysit my non existent children, if I happen to know and trust a paedophile then so yes I would. Your irrational hatred is akin to that of Muslims against gays.
It's not just rape you would be convicted for sex with a minor even if they consented, I'm sure a gay would eventually give into his desires and have sex with a man.
I would like to see how many paedos have lasted without fulfilling their urges, the nonces on here have probably only been into this for less then a year or two.
5 years down the line fake cartoon drawings and pictures won't be enough
>People like you just perpetuate the problem, we should tackle the problem proactively instead of ostrocising paedophiles and having to deal with it after some poor child has been abused
Which is exactly what the UK is doing and what this thread is about lol
This. If being attracted to children stops being such an unspeakable subject, paedophiles can get help to control their feelings so they don't hurt anyone. As it is even doctors would kick them out of the office for it so they can't get help.
Locking up people who harbour certain material IS censorship by its very definition:
Whether that censorship does good for our society or not can be debated, but it's censorship alright.
The difference being that adults can consent whilst minors legally can't. If homosexuality were gay I could manage my feelings, but I don't need to because there's nothing wrong with consenting adults having sex. That's why paedophiles need help to manage their feelings so they don't go near children.
For most straight people, porn isn't enough.
For most gay people, porn isn't enough.
For most pedophiles... drawn images will be enough if only we legalize it!!!!!11111!!!!11111
Everyone in this thread has thumbnails of questionably aged nude drawings in their browser cache unless they have actively disabled that.
>Police seized Hoque's computer
>said they found nearly 400 such images on it
Except one little thing : where ever country you are all studies have shown the unlegalising CP makes the % of raped children increase a lot. Well, if you ban drawings too you really wants real children to be raped
If homosexuality were illegal*
Fuck I'm tired
I do agree, but I am against censorship of drawn images because they're not hurting anyone or infringing or anyone's rights.
It's the opposite.
The purpose of criminalizing cp is to reduce the production of cp, and the purpose of reducing the production of cp is to reduce the rate of child sex abuse.
The criminalization of cp has not been shown to fufill it's intended purpose in any way, and is in fact more harmful to children as a result as the legalization of cp has been shown to reduce the rate of child sexual abuse.
You can take whatever moral ground you like for justification of the criminalization of cp, but you can't say it's to protect the children, because it isn't.
First they came for the pedophiles...
And no one cared
Because they deserved it
Uh huh. Don't see any myself. Also, these images, they're in pic folders and not in a visible discussion thread?
>unlegalising CP makes the % of raped children increase a lot. Well, if you ban drawings too you really wants real children to be raped
And when I want bombs to be banned, I must really want people to get blown up!!!!
Can't Frogs ever behave rationally? No wonder you people love Polanski.
Ideally we'd jail both, but you know what our legal system and government are like here. We're renowned for it now, sadly.
Used to rule 1/4 of the world, now we can't even protect our own children.
Pray for us.
>And most significantly, the incidence of child sex abuse has fallen considerably since 1989, when child pornography became readily accessible
okay. So your point is...i'm right?
you're a bad person. Law should be made to protect kids, not to fulfill your blood envy
>Implying most people here agree with them
Any Brit with an ounce of common sense can see what bad news constant CCTV and permanent police records of innocent people is. Why do you think we refused to allow the government to bring in compulsory ID cards?
Wow the autism in this thread is incredible
Nothing is wrong with loli, go back to reddit until you learn to argue logically or provide statistics that can actually prove something. Otherwise nobody gives a shit that you don't like something because of your epic tumblr tier self righteousness and appeal to emotion.
Most CCTV cameras are owned by private properties, however I agree that I don't particularily trust the government with the amount they do have.
Why not just decriminalize CP?
Obviously producing CP should be illegal since it harms the children, but the viewing or consumption of videos/images is a victimless crime. You can't really assume that production of child pornography would increase since it would still be an illegal act, but you definitely could assume that less children would be molested.
This is the pragmatic and objective viewpoint to have.
CP doesn't benefit society, but it being legal does, because it will be there whether we like it or not. Same deal with drugs - they don't benefit society, but banning them causes more problems than it fixes
Let's look at it this way:
>man has video/picture/audio of child being "raped", this is a crime, owning the video/picture/audio is not.
>man has video/picture/audio of man being murdered, this is a crime, owning the video/picture/audio is not
Yeah he just thinks since production is illegal the fact even more money would be made from it it would somehow not encourage further production, defying all sensibilities about how profit operates.
It says debit cards won't work. Even if it did, it's a PAYG sim paid in cash. They have no info on me except where I bought the sim, so I'm not gonna give them "bill hidden fees here" or my name and address. I can still access through VPN but then it's slowing down an already slow service
Thanks for the source, perhaps I can convince my international student friends the UK isn't so bad for government tracking. Though the private CCTV is a problem in itself because the government can gain access to it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I remember correctly, in the Netherlands, growing marijuana is illegal but smoking it is not. Similarly, watching CP would be legal but creating it would not be.
Yeah, I guess so. Democracy sure is the best of the worst :^)
What does it matter? The market is already there and would continue assuming that viewing CP would become legal, or decriminalized. Producing the material would still involve a great deal of risk and I doubt there would be a massive increase. Even if there would be a somewhat large increase, it would be worth it to prevent and reduce actual child rape/molestation.
Regardless, there should not be ANY reason to criminalize loli or other drawn pornography, there is no harm and morality should not be policed by the state.
Similar idea to Portugal's stance on drugs - you can own it, but try distributing it and you're in big trouble. Problem I have with this, is that producing drugs doesn't hurt anyone, but producing non drawn CP harms children, so I see a need to avoid legitimising it.
If you increase the profit of the market for CP it will encourage the production of CP, are you really this retarded to not find that obvious?
Banning CP makes it more costly to sell and buy CP so less of it is made, legalizing it makes the market larger more profitable driving up the production its basic supply and demand retard.
>You clearlly kknow fuck all about my country, sso shut the fuck up and keep the war repriations coming
It's not like your intelligence agencies were completely out of control and after 9/11 an unholy surveillance apparatus was built up.
>If you increase the profit of the market for CP it will encourage the production of CP
If you increase the profit, this will not happen if you make owning CP legal you fucking moron.
>banning cp makes it more costly to sell
Just like drugs right? Fucking idiot.
And what of the production when it's legal? Increasing or decreasing?
And if you answer that "Those figures are unknown because it's clandestine", that could also be used to explain variables in child abuse, since by its subject, it is clandestine as well, so there's never going to be a solid basis of any kind of statistics.
Not necessarily, I can draw a giraffe without ever having seen a giraffe in real life. Even if they were modeling it off of actual CP, there is nothing wrong with that either.
I don't see where you draw that connection. You aren't going to "legitimize" (whatever you mean by that) production of child pornography by allowing viewing of it to be a non-criminal activity.
I'm assuming we are speaking about actual CP, not drawn lines on a paper.
What about supply and demand? Surely, if there is a market for a product, that product will also somehow be produced. I'll refrain from arguing about substances, but these are real people having sex on these tapes, and I'm not convinved it's consentual 100% of the time.
Yeah the prohibition of drugs makes them more costly to produce and buy you can't be that dumb to think otherwise unless you've been in some liberal echo chamber the last 10 years.
Maybe if you're one of these artists who can only copy. You don't have to watch gay porn to be able to draw a picture depicting it, and you can always use another depiction as a guide if you're really stuck.
No the prohibition of drugs makes the products worth more retard, not only that but you're such a fucking potato monkey mong you haven't noticed that if one person saves a picture or video it doesnt disappear.
That's relevant to the discussion how? God you're so fucking stupid it's clear you're just trying to get out of the argument because you've lost.
That's the way it was everywhere until the 80s and 90s.
Now you can go to jail for cartoons, in the future they will probably make books like Lolita illegal too. Meanwhile in the real, non-cartoon world, thousands of actual British children are being raped but it's okay because doing something against that would be racist, and racism is of course another capital crime in the UK.
that's the sort of country we have to share a continent with
Yeah because they make more money from selling a smaller amount, do you not see that this is a success, our interest is in lowering production not lowering their income.