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So, Scots! Are you going to vote yes?
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So, Scots! Are you going to vote yes?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbRQgrOnErc
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I have no idea.

I thought the NO vote was panicing when they said they would grant Scotland more powers, but that was a red herring.

>Leader of the pro-Union Better Together campaign, Alistair Darling, later clarified what the chancellor had meant.

>"It's not new powers - the powers have already been announced,"

So they caused quite a bit of excitement using absolutely nothing new. All the English are asking why are they giving them more powers and handouts?

I don't know what the future of an independent Scotland would be like - America would be pissed. Even odds we wouldn't get into the EU - but then again Britain could be leaving the EU anyway.

I'm just tired of wading through the bs.
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>>30344486
>The mind of an undecided voter
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Freedom to Scotland!
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>>30344187
Freedom for Scotland. Fuck the UK.
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>>30344187
Freedom to Scotland!
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I wonder if the Scots will say no to the terrible oppression of the Englishmen and their subhuman goons.
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>>30344187
FREEEEDDDOOOOOMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!
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Sorry, guys, they're going to bottle it at the last minute and vote no. I fucking promise you all.
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>>30344667
>implying people will know what separation entails either
And I wouldn't call being the Bank of England's bitch, having no military, and joining the queue to thee EU superstate 'full powers'.
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>>30344812
So does that mean you will be buying shares on Thursday before they rebound on the Friday?
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>>30344187
>ENGLAND
>YES

I don't want to see these retards stumbling around south of the border

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDTb819BZS4
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Already did
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Cry more, UK.
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I can't wait to visit /int/ in a couple once they've voted no, just to see the tears from the idiots.
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>>30344187
Yes. I'm Scottish not Luxembourgian by the way.

>>30344920
Here come the englels.

>pic related
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>>30344920
Proud Anglo warrior.
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>>30344187
funny how it's the foreigners that want it more, just to give us a good kick in.

they will be the first to say

>Scotland
>Relevant
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Will be voting yes. You can thank all the snide cunts from down south like this gentleman; >>30345028.
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>>30344187
its a catch 23 situation on one hand you have the youth wanting to have their own indentification while on the other foot you have the old people that don't want to leave because of their pensions and other benefactors.. Some want to not want to be sucking on mommies teet so they want to cut tires and be themselves. some like mommies teet too much the milk always tastes good and they don't want to let go. in short Scotland is fucked either way
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>>30345066
>>30345075
Scottish hive mind.
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>>30345066
>>30345075
lel?
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Vote yes, then make denmark, norway and iceland leave NATO and we form a nordic union with denmark, faroe islands, sweden(without the YES-government), norway, finland, iceland and scotland with nordic alliance we will be third power factor in the world and invade england and give the north ireland to ireland to make a friend as a wall to america.

Yes
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>>30345066
>>30345075
I'm blonde

Try harder anglophobes
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>>30345118

Not to mention the banks and other businesses are already planning on leaving Scotland if they do vote yes.

People need to realise, it's not going to happen.
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>>30345157
Pics? I've never seen a blonde paki.
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>>30344920
How does the English guy understand what the Scot is saying to him? He's absolutely incomprehensible to me.
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>>30345157
>I'm blonde
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>>30345102
People being cunts on 4chan shouldn't influence this.
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>>30345212

I'm voting yes for many other reasons, but the amount of Anglos talking shit about us online and in real life the past 2 months has been astounding.
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>>30345209
Fer hous yer doos fit like, me am pekin an pekin awa.
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>>30344187
Irish-Scot solidarity forever, death to the only Union that divides men.
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>>30345176
zzzzz the banks are not leaving
the branches will remain
the sorting centres will remain
their head offices will probably remain (those not already in England)
It is their registered office that they said will be moving. Look it up!
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To be honest I'll just be happy once it's all over, even the fucking Simpsons are putting their opinion out there now. The whole thing is ridiculous.
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>>30345210
>>30345206
Racist scots voting for a future of

>Scotland
>Yes
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>>30345301
Yes lad.
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>>30345257
>literally only thing people hear about Scotland for months is muh independence
>be surprised when there is a distinct sense of betrayal in the rUK
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>we have to share our island with those Scottish monkies

we dumped the Chagossians out of Diego Garcia when we wanted to set up a base on their island, isn't there anywhere we can dump the monkey Scots? Falklands maybe? they're all Scottish, right?
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>>30345350
Racist? I don't hate you because you're a paki I hate you because you're a cunt.
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>>30345359
>>30345301
The only answer to 1916 is 1690.
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It's okay Scotland, once you've finally realised you're better off in the union and vote no we can all share a nice drink and a laugh together. :)
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>>30345350
YOU CAN SHOVE YOUR FUCKING CHARIOT UP YOUR ARSE, YOU CAN SHOVE YOUR FUCKING CHARIOT UP YOUR ARSE, YOU CAN SHOVE YOUR FUCKING CHARIOT, SHOVE YOUR FUCKING CHARIOT, SHOVE YOUR FUCKING CHARIOT UP YOUR ARSE!
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Why does everyone say Scotland will be filled with immigrants if they vote yes?
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>>30344187
wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh we want a fairer society wahhhhhhhhhhh

>Literally get free degrees if they put any fucking effort into their future

keep on blaming the English Scotland

t. Cardiff
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>>30345503
Because we are fairly left wing as a country. We were majority right wing at one point but after maggie everyone became labour.
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Just say yes and see how it works out.

I'm sure the English would be kind enough to let you rejoin the union if it all goes to shit.
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>>30345503
It's either because the English will miss us so much and want to move closer to us...

Or Scotland will be looking to increase its population so that its tax base is more secure.
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>>30345578
William Wallace will turn in his grave if that happens
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>>30344187

Freedom to Scotland!
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>>30345503

because the UK will leave the EU in 2017

Scotland, if it is actually allowed to join the EU *(several nations will block their membership), will be obliged to join the Schengen area, which means no borders whatsoever between their country and any other EU nation in the schengen area (all the mainland EU countries)
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>>30345422
Dump the Scots? You couldn't even dump your girlfriend without getting beheaded for adultery.
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>>30345503
Scaremongering because Scots are more Left Wing.
Its total nonsense because the UK under Conservatives has had far more immigration than France and Sweden while Scots are quite low.
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>>30345503
Salmond wants to import a million immigrants
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>>30344537
>>30344607
>>30344654
>>30344762
>Look at us, we learned history from Mel Gibson movies!
Fuck off, you cunts
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>>30345630
So basically Scots will be getting immigrants from Europe while the UK gets even more Pakis than before.
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>>30345626

you realise a yes vote will encourage independence movements in places like Saxony right?
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>>30345503
They are ruled by left wing parties

Labour is the worst paki cum gussling party the UK has have had

and Scotland love labour
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>>30344187

>voting yes
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>>30345600
>Sweden
>Yes
>>30345609
It won't happen anyway, they'll all still go to ingerland. Only sneaky Englishmen are trying to say that because they are jealous of our dominant white society.
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>>30345694

the Pakis arrive through the EU
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>>30345695
lel German sectarian movements have no traction whatsoever.
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Thread theme?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwLtyvGdNbc

Is it right to believe
In the need to be free
It's a time when you die
And without asking why
Can't you see what they do
They are grinding us down
They are taking our land
That belongs to the clans

Not alone with a dream
Just want to be free
With a need to belong
I am a clansman
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>>30345741
>UKIPers actually believe this

Absolutely false.
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>>30345742

scottish independence changes that
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>>30345695
Bavaria is the most likely, and even then it's not that big a movement
yet
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>>30345500
20-0
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>>30345806
>Thinks this trend will blow over.
Ha, the Germans treat all their citizens equally.
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>>30345780
Real thread theme
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciPu4DnKBuM
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>>30345696
Labour have lost a lot of credibility in Scotland these last few months I can only see their share of the vote decreasing
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>>30345795

absolutely true
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>>30345804
Speaking out of your arse, Germans are perfectly content with their Federation because its not dominated by a single metropolitan class.
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>>30345795
As a Scot I get so fucking angry when these Irish pricks turn up and try to fight for us

they don't care they just hate England

pathetic
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>>30344187
I'll be voting Yes.
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>>30345693
Frig off Serbia, you're not even Anglo you have no business saying anything more. Go back to drinking your beer and cursing Kosovo, you miserable cunt.
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Tories used to be left wing, but after Maggie and Major, they realised that people had had enough of that crap. They moved from being left wing and more towards the centre - which used to be Labour's stomping ground, so labour were accused of copying the Tory policies but the Tories had become more right wing than before.

Is it so bad not being a superpower?
In the last 100 years, have we actually been one?
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>>30345780
>>30345841

Real Theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyw8veJx_4Y
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>T-t-t-this referendum isn't anti English

Except,that is all this referendum is

It isn't about a better future for Scotland or for the children of the people of Scotland.They are fucked , they are born Scottish and will have a terrible life because they are a failure from a geneticistish and biologistish standpoint. The children of Scotland have no future because they are the children of Scots.

I want to mention a certain poster being paraded around by the yes campaign. I don't have it saved because I refuse to save this Salmond approved propoganda on my computer. My computer is a Compunion. A computer of the union. Anyway. This poster- It shows a map of the UK. In this map,England and Wales are drawn as a piece of faeces, with scissors cutting them away from Scotland, which is drawn normally. The text reads ''cut the crap''

And this is the most popular piece of art for yes campaigners.
England and Wales are 'crap'.
That is what Scots believe. It is what all of them believe. Every single Scottish person, even the ones voting no, are anti-English. It isn't 'banter' or 'baen aen tae'' or however the Scots type it in their accent to try and be funny. They have us. They compare us to crap.

Can I ask the Scots something?
When you've have too much porridge and iron bru and your fucking pasty hairy Scottish stomach starts rumbling and you run to the toilet and take a shit, and you look down, what do you see? Do you see something in the toilet that gives you trillions in money you haven't earned, gives you free education, gives you your health service, gives you an Empire and gives you relevance?

Because if that is what you see then I can understand why you think England is crap.
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>>30345892
Stop being a prick mate? The Irish are our greatest allies.
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>>30345909
>Frig
>Canada
Is it too rude to say fuck?
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>>30345844
Ok show me your source on how Pakistanis are mostly using the EU to get into the UK.

>>30345892
Nigel pls, it'll be inconvenient when you start having to use proxies for this act in a week.
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>>30345933
no u
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>>30345942

>set up a Scottish colony in the north of their island

>massive anti-catholicism in Scotland

>"hurr we're best m8s"

the only thing you share is inferiority complexes over England
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Eirebros, celtic union when?
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>>30345869
>>30345833
Yeah I'm sure there is no inequality in Germany at all, Frankfurt bankers and unemployed heroin addicts in Kreuzberg are valued just the same by their government. It cares just as much about making policy for unemployed neo-Nazis in Brandenburg as it does for the major sharheolders of Daimler and SAP. Of course. This isn't just a cheerleading Krautaboo fantasy at all.
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>>30346037
Soon
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>>30344187
Daly reminder that 2/3rds of Scottish exports are to other members of the UK

and you want to put a border in the middle of that

DUUUUUUUUMMMMMMmmm
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>>30346031
>massive anti-catholicism
Its not 1930 m8.
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How can Westminster claim it is looking after the interests of Britain when it is also the English parliamant?
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If I have 1/4 Scottish ancestory, how can I register to vote?
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>>30346106
irn bru embargo best day of my life
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As long as it goes exactly like this
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>>30346057
Except there is, like during the 80s and 90s while Thatcher was letting everything North of Birmingham rot into economic ruin the Germans were heavily investing into uplifting their reunified East.
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Voting No lads
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>>30345980
is it so far-fetched that a scot doesn't like you jumping in and trying to turn it into IRA land 2.0
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>>30346116

http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/columnists/scotland-has-an-issue-with-anti-catholicism-thats-a-fact-and-we-have-to-face-it.21235091
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>>30345974
Yes, sorry
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>>30346179
Why lad?
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>>30345630
>because the UK will leave the EU in 2017
you do realise all the banks would move to Frankfurt
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>>30346189
Yeah, literally impossible, true Scotsman love it.
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>>30345330


What currency will they use?
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>>30345933

feelin chilly? have a willy

8====>
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>>30346125
What the fuck are you talking about? There is no English parliament
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>>30345909
>Frig off
No, you Canadian faggot, I will go back to trying to separate from Serbia, drinking my rakia and wishing Kosovo all the best. Now, take a history lesson or go be a faggot somewhere else.
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>>30346057
What kind of stupidity is this? There are bankers and smackheads all over Germany.
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>>30346133
you can't you retard

Fuck off
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>>30344187
>"If Scotland votes yes, the UK will split and we will go our seperate ways forever ;_;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zICwlZBCeI


SCOTLAND, do you listen? if you can turn your back to this man you're a heartless son of a bitch
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>>30346153
glorious
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>>30345693
FREEDOM FOR KOSOVO
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>>30345359
Why is ireland whiter here with red hair? Scotland has a much vastly higher percentage of redheads. Something like 15% vs ireland's 4%.
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>>30346230
Remember

This is only Scot v Scot, if any blood will be spilled there won't be any English
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>>30346133
where are your ancestors from in scotland?

this affects the answer you receive
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>>30346210
Because I'm loyal to my country, and of course the fact that the SNP figures for oil prices amongst other things are total bollocks, our economy would be in the shambles with companies leaving and new national services having to be built from the ground up costing millions, an issue the SNP addressed only with 'muh oil', not to mention I don't support the ideals of the SNP or Labour the two parties which would dominate independent Scottish parliament
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>>30346157
Britain has sunk billions into 'regeneration' of northern shitholes up to the point where they were pulling down old regeneration to build new regeneration in Manchester. It's re-located whole government departments to Newcastle and Swansea. It's trying to build misguided but incredibly expensive rail infrastructure projects to help the Midland and Northern economy. The idea that the government don't care about life beyond the Watford Gap is a bit of a fantasy, popular among those with a chip on their shoulder. The sort of people who are so desperate to stick one in the eye to the so-called establishment that they'll vote for UKIP even though their principles seem to more Old Labour. East Anglia is full of them as well. They feed off this bollocks, bollocks which has sadly been allowed to go more and more unchallenged.
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>>30345143
>Implying England wouldn't kick your asses
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I'm undecided.

If we get the SNP and Labour governing us, we're fucked. Everyone will have to move down south for jobs and to escape their taxes.

On the other hand, is it too far fetched to believe that we could only have them for one term, realise the pitfalls of socialism, and then turn ourselves into a Hong Kong/Swiss style capitalist paradise, free of the shackles of oppressive English taxation and regulation?
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>>30346351
>Inb4 Newcastle
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Watch this and vote no

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB7XMxCkorI

Convince everyone you can to vote no also. Because the BT campaign have fucked it.

There is no benefit to leaving, only cost. There will be new powers, possibly pretty shit powers, but there will be new powers.

The cuts potential are pathetic to economic loss inevitable.

27 Billion Pounds left the Scottish Economy last week.
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>>30345143
No, plus an independent Scotland would be the new Yes, Sweden. Our politicians are living breathing sjws
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>>30346432
>oppressive English taxation
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>>30346438
>possibly pretty shit powers, but there will be new powers.

Then fuck off, we want out.
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>>30346378
And yet the UK is seeing a massive sectarian movement while Germany remains stronk and unified, almost as if what you're saying is southern foppish fantasy.
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>>30346266
Why not?

>>30346351
Carlisle.
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>>30346435

if he says cumbernauld, he's no allowed
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>>30346273
I actually got a little bit teary not gonna lie lads.
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>>30346438
>Being an independent country is not a benefit, vote for less powers so we can have more powers.

kek
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Can't they just reintroduce the poll tax? I'm sure England won't mind. again.
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>>30346512
>we want out.
No WE don't.
Can you fucking nationalists do anything other than generalise?
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>>30346438
>guy on a webcam
Discarded. I'd rather take the word of Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz.
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But in all seriousness, what practical benefits will Scotland have? They're super leftist from what I know so the evil multiculti English aren't what they're escaping. So it all seems like a lot of trouble and effort just to get back where you were; if you get ther at all.
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>>30346432
I reckon the right would make a resurgence in an independent Scotland, they would no longer be associated with Thatcher and the Tories.
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>>30346455
The Conservatives have allowed more immigrants in the last 3 years than the French have taken in the last 15, its the UK who has always been the real Yes Sweden, independent Scotland will never match them.
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>>30346543
Carlisle is all right. Kinda depressing place though. I don't know what it is about it.
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>>30346543

you're a funny guy, so you are
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>>30345143
>give the north ireland to ireland

lel no

They can come with us
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>>30346570
>claims being an independent country is a benefit
>Is from fucking Ireland

m8. voting No, fuck off from our politics
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>>30346224
I don't know if they would be keen to move to an environment with more regulation (even as it is now) when we will be prepared to massively de-regulate
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>>30346438
lol this whole video
we have oil you know
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>>30346592
Why do you feel the need to lie?
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>>30346576

>still thinks no voters are the majority

laughingjunkies.jpg
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>>30346512
watch the video.

27 Billion Pounds have already left the scottish economy. Our banks will be British Banks. We will not be able to borrow anything like the deficit we get now.

We will be poorer. Not better off.

Any justification of social justice, democracy or whatever is also possible within the UK with this selfsame level of involvement.

Please dont wreck this country.

>>30346570
we would have less economic powers. Which is the primary SNP justification for Independance.
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>>30346592
>independent Scotland will never match them.

You clearly don't know anything about Scottish politics then paddy
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>>30346432

just look around you when you get on public transport

you live with other Scots, not efficient Germans or east Asians

it's not going to happen
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>>30346606
I've never been there. Just have ancestors from there who were Scottish.

>>30346618
why?
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>>30346633
>le Ireland is worse than us despite being statistically better in every area reply
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>>30346517
Why are all the Irish so desperate for German cock? Stockholm Syndrome?
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What the hell happened, lads?
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>>30346669
>we have oil you know

I didn't realise
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>>30346633
Mate, Ireland is higher on the HDI than the UK. Add to this the fact that Scotland has far lower unemployment and a bigger economy.
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>>30346713
America stabbed us in the back
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>>30346683
>Implying I claimed an absolute majority
braindeadnationalists.tiff
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>>30346713
Empires are no longer tenable in the 21st century and are in fact illegal under international law?
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>>30346691
But what about your oil, mate? You have that. Is the oil going to make you poor?
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>>30346253
I'll take a lesson from your mother when she sucks my big canuck cock you drunk Serbian bastard.
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>>30346702

stop these jokes
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>>30346713
They were reduced to their natural size, which is the only size the British can maintain.
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>>30346592
You do realize that the labour is much much pro immigration than the conservatives right?

Scotland has already said they want new immigrants. Their population is only 5M, and its mostly homogenous. Scotland also said that anyone who's been in the country for 5+ years can become a citizen
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>>30346713
Too small

Russia, China and USA time to fight it out now
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>>30346753
>>30346773

>actually answering a JF with their "lel no empire" schtick
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I'm a Scot and I'm voting yes

>Anti-English

My parents are English

>Muh oil

http://www.heraldscotland.com/business/company-news/shell-vows-to-invest-billions-in-north-sea.24925660

That's just the north sea, experts say there's a larger field in the west coast worth £1 trillion

1 in 5 Scots are in poverty

That's 1 million of us, we only have 15% of control of our on affairs which makes Westminster the main culprit behind this with welfare reform and bedroom tax

>B-better together will win

If you think that's the case, they couldn't hold a proper rally in Scotland and had to have a "friends of the UK" rally in London

If the rest of the UK wanted us to stay they would've helped us out already
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>>30346743
>Scotland has far lower unemployment and a bigger economy

Not true m8, read the facts we have the highest unemployment rate in the UK


>>30346782
No, but the oil won't keep this shitty country afloat, the SNP white paper vastly overestimates oil prices
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>>30346770

>back peddling arguments

typical no voter
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>>30346797
lol
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>>30344187
That marriage has come to it's end.

Finally, when the beaten Scottish wife wants a divorce or even hints about it, the narcissistic bastard of a English man suddenly gets very passive-aggressively friendly and loving towards her.

If she stays, it's going to descent back to status quo of mental and physical abuse and oppression.

If she leaves, she's taking her fate into her own hands to do what is best for her.
He might retaliate with hostility, but that wouldn't be new nor surprising.

So yes.
Yes for independent Scotland.
Yes for badass flag.
Yes for yes.
Yes.
es
s
.
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>>30346797
I'm not joking.
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>>30346579
Stiglitz is also discussing the longer term, nd he's not saying it will be better.

Im talking about the more immediate term. The next 10 to 15 years.

We will be poorer. We will be less capable of borrowing. We will have partitioned away 2/3rd of our nation.
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>>30346802
your mum maintained my natural size last night
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>>30344187
Already have
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>>30346861
>they couldn't hold a proper rally in Scotland

Because Yes voters are obnoxious lefty cunts who want to interrupt and destroy all meetings they don't like.
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>>30346872
Well, judging from pools. Scottish independence will not happen.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVWQk2F-NkY

Thanks you based Ireland. Truly our greatest allies.
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>>30346663
you need the union to survive.
you're nothing without the continent. You'll see when Brussels stops constantly pumping money in your underdeveloped northern shithole
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>>30346861
>in the west coast

Not within territorial waters. There is no such thing as 'Scottish waters', if (lel it won't) independence happens the only thing separating those areas from you and the wide world are a few leaky fishing boats that make up the Scottish Navy. Enjoy trying to convince the rest of the world that the fields rights are yours.
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>>30346861

that pic, while optimistic and good spirited, is never going to happen

sectarianism is going to be rife on this island for many years to come, regardless of the vote outcome
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>>30346861
high quality b8.
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>Other countries getting involved in our debate

literally just fuck off, I'm voting Yes and don't want you fucks involved
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>>30346912
I don't think Sharia law allows divorces.
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>>30346912
So true, the English always treated the Scottish like second class citizens; always discriminating them as if they were subhumans.
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>>30346946

>Obnoxious lefty cunts who want to interrupt and destroy all meetings they don't like

Really? I don't see any reports of interrupting the pro-union orange order march on the impartial BBC the other day
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>>30346912
>es

:D ebin
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>>30346861
>>1 in 5 Scots are in poverty
>
>That's 1 million of us, we only have 15% of control of our on affairs which makes Westminster the main culprit behind this with welfare reform and bedroom tax
how will these be fixed by leaving?

We will be immediately impoverished by the loss of our financial sector. Immediately. We will not be capable of deficit spending.

These things can be fixed, in the union. In much safer ways.
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>>30346190
oh i'm laughing, imagine if this was an article about islam? or jews?
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Do people genuinely believe Scotlandhas a low amount of immigrants because they are somehow keeping them out?

Its because no one wants to go there. It's the same reason there are no Mexicans in Alaska. Deluded posts from Irish and American people convinced its for other reasons won't change that.
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>>30347015

how so?
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>>30346949
Two polls came out on Saturday. One put Yes 8% ahead and the other put No 6% ahead.
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>>30345503
Because they are retarded, they say "they will get 24,000 immigrants every year!!!" when we already get around 22,000
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>>30346967
>you need the union to survive.

Why? The net economic contribution of Scotland is hardly massively economy-altering if you take it out

>you're nothing without the continent.

Yet we are net givers to the EU.
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>>30347056
There are over 750,000 Scots, born in Scotland, now living and working in England.

None of them get to vote.

Btw those are the ones who are actually doing something with their lives.
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>>30347038

>Much safer ways

How? There's no clarity on what extra powers we'd get.

You can't fix this it's fucked beyond belief.
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>>30347016
I don't see this happening to Yes campaigners?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2736993/Scotch-egged-Police-probe-nationalist-attack-Glasgow-MP-Jim-Murphy-tensions-flare-ahead-referendum.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11094033/Scottish-independence-Nigel-Farage-visit-highlights-divide-in-Glasgow.html
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10 most used words by NO voters (yougov survey)

1. Economy
2. Banks
3. Evidence
4. Proof
5. Facts
6. Jobs
7. Unemployment
8. Union
9. Health
10. Spending

10 most used words by YES voters

1. Oil
2. Salmond
3. English
4. Bastards
5. Emotions
6. Independence
7. Freedom
8. Oppressive
9. Sad
10. Angry

I think you can see who has the best argument just from this
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>>30346106
By that logic, Canada should be American.

>United States 78.5%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Canada

Just saying.
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>>30347139
10/10
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I was surprised to know there was scottish independentism, i'm more surprised to see how all separatists use the same grounds to spread their cancer.

>muh opression
>muh culture
>muh monies
>e-even if we get independence we can still get along, it's be like it never happened

Braindead people, I say
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>>30347139
>3. English
>4. Bastards
>5. Emotions
>7. Freedom
>8. Oppressive
>9. Sad
>10. Angry

TIP

TOP

LEL
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>>30347139
The Yes voters do, they're oppressed, sad, and angry.
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>19th september, newly independent scotland
>salmond calls a press conference on top of ben nevis
>cameras start rolling, salmond reaches behind his back
>unzips skin suit
>stalin emerges
>"its on now boys"
>a thousand epochs of gulags commences

VOTE NO
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>>30347121

>Citing daily mail as a credible source

You DO realise it was an undecided voter that got frustrated because Jim ignored his questions? You also for got about how the Orange order glassed a 12 year old but that's not news

>Nigel Farage

Nobody likes him up here and he was warned
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>>30347160
You tried that and Washington burned down
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I love who some english guy in the news said a couple of months ago that the last existing colonial power would be russia and how they should just deal with it. Schotland and Ireland had been colonized as well, fucking conquered they were. It's their right to chose the affiliation they want to chose. Bavaria should leave as well and the Franks should leave Bavaria.
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>>30347061
Continuous bantering against the Scottish. Preferring English people over Scottish people when you're looking for somebody to do a job. Laughing at Scottish people their faces. I could go on, but I think you get my point.
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>>30347117
"we" dont need extra powers (although we will be getting some, and can push for others).

The bedroom tax affects everyone in the uk. Its getting abolished.

>You can't fix this it's fucked beyond belief.
when something is broken the correct solution is not to jump off a cliff or self immolation.
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>>30347209
I like him :3
stop generalising
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>>30347209
>Orange Order
Yes, the most English of institutions
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>>30347203
Don't worry the wind will be taken out of separatist sails across Europe after this week

This is Peak Separatism
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>>30345143
That's a wonderful idea, I whole-heartedly concur
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>>30347239
>"we" dont need extra powers (although we will be getting some, and can push for others).

Nigel please go
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>>30347227

>Continuous bantering against the Scottish.
anti-English banter is much stronger in Scotland than anti-Scottish banter in England

>Preferring English people over Scottish people when you're looking for somebody to do a job.
this is a lie

>Laughing at Scottish people their faces.
you're just making things up now

>i could go on
please do, you haven't made a single argument yet
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>>30347139
SOURCE PLEASE
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>>30346792
I'm not Serbian you ILLITERATE FUCKING FAGGOT
you can only dream about my mom sucking your cock

actually you can't because you're a FAGGOT
you can only dream about my dad's HUGE WHITE COCK UP YOUR FAGGOT FUCKING ASS
only dream
fucking faggot
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>>30347296
A new Kalmar Union?
Aye, say the Finns.
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>>30347203
Why do you still have colonies in north africa spain?
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>>30347139
Quite literally freedumb.
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>>30347139
source?
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It's hilarious because the jocks will lose no matter what.

Vote yes and your country becomes an irrelevant third world nation.

Vote no and the whole world will mock you and your ilk for the rest of time.

No matter what, we win :^)
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>yes voters will spend their giro money the night before on heroin and overdose because based farage spiked it all
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>>30346678
Look up the figures man its all true.
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>>30347312
The emphasis was on NEED.

As in, to fix those things wrong.

The complaints you have are not exclusive to scotland, they will not be assisted by separating.
They will be made worse, we will lose the financial sector, we will lose deficit spending.
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>>30347424
>Vote yes and your country becomes an irrelevant 3rd world nation

>Implying we wouldn't shut off the gas lines to England if you treated us like shit
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>>30347424

do you mean just england or just muslims in general will win?
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>>30346861
>bedroom tax

You should be grateful the government is providing you with a subsidised place to live you've done nothing to earn, in the first place. You DO realise that in 7/10ths of the world this would be unthinkable right? But you're raging about the amount of subsidised bedrooms you should be given.

>welfare reform

How DARE they insist that families who refuse to work should not make more than twenty six thousand pounds a year?? It's as inhumane as the slums of Kibera. It's the Victorian workhouse all over again.

Socialist. Fucking literal children.
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>>30346812
>You do realize that the labour is much much pro immigration than the conservatives right?
What they say to their voters and what they actually do are two different matters, Conservatives are not any more pro-immigration than Labour in reality.
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>>30347482
We do, we need the power to alter corporation tax or we will never be able to compete with London and the cities of the south of England.
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>>30347139
give me source you unionist liar bastard
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>>30347424
UK is already irrelevant though.
It's not like they're losing anything
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>>30347504

we control the nuclear weapons that are off your shore

you won't be cutting anything off
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>>30347504
>>30347586
You guys wouldn't really do that, right? You're bros man, chill down.
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>>30347564
>>30347139
Come on you fucking english bastard
this is fake
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>>30347214
Point being that "because they're you largest export partner" is a shitty way of convincing someone to be in a union.
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>>30347139
>I think you can see who has the best argument just from this

Said Hitler when he got the power. Keep blowing yourself, mister tophat. Remember to support bare knuckle fighting as your national hobby.
Scottish wives need more black eyes, right?
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>>30347640

nah, we wouldn't use nukes, but nukes aren't there to be used, they're there as a friendly reminder you can't play games with nuclear armed nations
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>>30347656
I'm Scottish, just fuck off Finland
your metaphor wasn't funny
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This guy explains the referendum stories each week https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1wFYPIXnuA

>>30347586

>We control the nukes off your shore

You DO realise a Yes vote means that we ship it down to you
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>>30347655
"Americans think it is a good idea" should put anyone off voting yes
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>>30347541
but you cannot alter corporation tax while in currency union.

Its cutting off the nose to help with bloodloss.

In order to make companies migrate here we will make other ones leave. Madness.

7% of all the jobs in our country.

27 Billion Pounds were removed from the scottish economy last week when the polls jumped. 27 billion. RBS are leaving.

This isnt good. There is a mood of national madness.
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topkek. The British empire that expanded for centuries to become the biggest empire in the world will revert back to the way it was in medieval times in just 50 years.
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>>30347640
We're not "bros", the jocks are leeches and moochers that never stop crying. Maybe a nuke would shut them up for a few minutes lel
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>>30347586

>nuking a country right next to you

This is how a unionist thinks, everybody.
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>>30347732
The Scottish economy would need to spend 35 percent of its GDP to retain nuclear weapons, even if it was allowed. Which it would not be.
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>>30344187
Why could anyone not want to be part of that orwellian nightmare that has become the UK? Imagine all the jobs that had been created, like CCTV surveillance specialist, or precrime clairvoyant. You see, David Cameron only want the best for you Scotland.
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>>30347732
>unironically calling it #IndyRef

dropped
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>>30347706
>>30347786
You people are really getting vile, this Scotland independant thing is creating division in an era where you people all need eachother the most.
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>>30346702
>why?
Because Carlisle is in England you dumb turd.
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>>30347750

>RBS are leaving

You do realise they're only moving their HQ as a technical measure and has no effect to the Scottish Economy?
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>>30347707
I'm sure you are. You and your family of none.
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>>30347586

*you're
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>>30347745
And what if the Americans are actually in favor of No?
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>>30347732

how would that stop the threat of them being launched at you?

obviously we wouldn't actually have a nuclear strike but we have nukes for this very reason.. so foreign countries can't do silly things like cut off gas supplies
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>>30347824
Are you really of the belief that Scotland and Scottish people are against that?

They want to class air rifles as firearms.
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>>30347762
Empires aren't sustainable. More at 11.
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>>30347843
All my friends hate each other now ;_;
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Would Scotts living elsewhere in the UK get a dual citizenship?
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>>30344187
I can't wait for Scotland to gain it's independence.

Our worthless nigger of a president better have Scotland the Brave playing on the front lawn of the White House Friday morning.
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>>30347858
>it's just a technical measure! it doesn't mean anything! King Salmond wouldn't lie to me!
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>>30344187
Already voted YES!

>that feel when you can tell your grandchildren that you destroyed bongland
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>>30347865
I am, my mother, father, cunt of a brother and grandparents and so on
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>>30347843
I've never had a positive view of those welfare leeching heroin-niggers anyway, I'd be happier if they fucked off, stopped taking our money and our jobs.
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>>30347732
>This guy explains the referendum stories each week https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1wFYPIXnuA
switched off at the loyds and RBS stuff.

What a nutter. Its not just a fucking plaque.

This is just fundamentally untrue.

Yes, large portions of what BT have said are bullshit.

IT DOES NOT FOLLOW THAT IT ALL IS
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>>30347913

>Actually believing it will be a one party state
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>>30347891
http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2014/09/15/obama-scotland-referendum-united-kingdom-josh-earnest/15667809/
http://time.com/3379251/white-house-scotland-independence/

So.... >>30347745
Is right about voting against what the Americans want, but wrong about what the Americans want.
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>>30347944
>AverageYesVoterThoughtProcess.jpg


>>30347981
worst part is that this is the average young yes voter
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>>30347824
You're delusional.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/10214975/Lawyers-warn-against-Big-Brother-plans-to-give-every-Scottish-child-a-state-guardian.html
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>>30347843
Scotland has resented us for years despite getting an excellent deal. They caused the problems in NI and helped convince the world it was us.

I hope their economy crashes and the people starve.
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>>30347913
> Dear colleagues

We have today made a statement to the market (see below), providing information on our contingency planning in the event of a Yes vote in next week’s referendum on Scottish independence. As you will have seen over the last twenty four hours, other Scottish headquartered financial institutions have made public statements about their intentions. This served to fuel media speculation about our own plans, and in those circumstances, it became necessary for us to update the market on aspects of our contingency planning.

It is my view as Chief Executive that any decision to move our registered headquarters should have no impact on everyday banking services used by our customers in Scotland and the rest of the British Isles. This is a technical procedure regarding the location of our registered head office. It is not an intention to move operations or jobs.

Our current business in Scotland, including the personal and business bank, IT and operations, human resources and many other functions, are here because of the skills and knowledge of our people, and the sound business environment. So far, I see no reason why this would change should we implement our contingency plans.

It is always my aim to ensure we inform our staff about such issues at the earliest opportunity. I know many of you will have already heard about this first in the media. My apologies for that, on this occasion this was unavoidable.

Over the next week, and beyond, we will continue to update you whenever appropriate.

Ross McEwan

Chief Executive
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>>30347707

You're about as Scottish as Thatcher and Farage's incestuous bastard child you smelly unionist gremlin.
>>
Around 4AM Friday morning is when the shitposting gloating will start to become truly orgasmic

SEPARATIST CRYTO-FASCISTS WILL GET BTFO

TAIGS WILL GET BTFO

JOHNNY FOREIGNERS WILL GET BTFO
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>>30347898
Yes.
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>>30347944
>that feel when you can tell your grandchildren that you destroyed Scotland
I'm sure your grandchildren (as if) will thank you for it.
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>>30348105

>Average thought process of a unionist
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>>30348105
The jock butthurt will be glorious.
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>>30347994
he didnt say that.

He called Salmond a lier.

Which he is.

RBS moving south is a big deal. 27 Billion Pounds leaving the economy is a big deal. Not getting a currency union is a big deal. Partitioning off 2/3rds of your country, slashing emplyment and deficit spending so you can have an /int/ flag and lower corporation tax is a big deal.

>>30348028
many are not young.
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>>30348079
>Look! Look! A banker promised! get rekt nofags!
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>>30348093
Man, you yes voters are great kind people
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>>30347851
>mfw I am imagining right now how an American would pronounce Carlisle
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>>30348198
>Look! Look! A banker promised! get rekt yesfags!
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>>30348028

>No voters are elderly people who're concerned about their free bus pass.

>Yes voters are young graduates who're concerned about how UK economic policy is too London centric.

If only the Referendum was held in the winter...
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>>30348207

>using ad homininim

you guys really are stupid
>>
Voting No (providing my parents do my proxy vote like I asked, but since they're both voting No, I think there's little chance of them doing otherwise)
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>>30348237
by banker here you mean financial expert. He meant an actual bank executive, who of course would not tell all his employees if they were going to be relocated or sacked
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>>30348127
>implying anyone will live in Scotland after a No vote

...apart from sheep.
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>>30348272

>loves the uk so much he leaves for spicy meataball
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>>30348237
what
>yesfags are THIS MAD
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I hope in the event of a No-Vote we can have annual day of laughter for the day when the Scots tried to talk big and got BTFO.

All Scots banned from /int/ for cuckoldery.
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>>30348331

Erasmus year m8, no choice in the matter.

Plus I'm glad I'm getting it done now, instead of (potentially) post-Independence, where I wouldn't be able to do it since we wouldn't be in the EU.
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>>30348331
all successful Scots leave Scotland, lad. google scottish diaspora
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>>30348071
>Scotland has resented us for years despite getting an excellent deal.

We have a good-ish deal and know it, but the UK enjoyed many advantages too - home for Trident, power stations, oil etc.

It's about wanting to go in a different direction with the country. For making Scotland a nice boring nordic country, not being against England or the English, not at all.

>I hope their economy crashes and the people starve.

Sounds like you're the resentful one m8 :(
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>the shit flinging is reaching an apex
yes. yessssss
>>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiLatwTFUhw

I'm confused, do the Scots want this to happen to them?
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>>30348413
No
I don't want to leave the UK
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>>30348398
Bet you're in Bologna.
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>>30348394
>scots got BTFO by voting no
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>>30347953
I see. I just hope majority of those grave for independence and not for red jacket willy.
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>>30348413
Only economically
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>>30348409
>Scotniggers steal jobs and welfare all over the world
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>>30347973
>>30348071
Damn you fools, in this multicultural era more friction between people with Western values is exactly not needed.
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>>30348500
>grave
C*
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>>30348500
Why do you care though? It doesn't concern you and we're not oppressed as much as the loud nationalists like to say
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>>30346031
>set up an Irish colony in northern Britain
>they turn on you for no good reason
Being Ireland is suffering.
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>>30348520
it's how we do nigga
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>>30348413

Be Scottish:
>die in your bed
>die spitting in the face of the English as they pull your guts out
???
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>>30348410
>>It's about wanting to go in a different direction with the country. For making Scotland a nice boring nordic country
not really possible.

90% of our exports are to the UK.

We are tied to them. If you vote yes, you will fuck this country. please understand this. Please.

ten percent of scots voted tory. ten percent. The torys did not even win last referendum. We voted for a fair few libdems
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>>30348431
Why do you hate Robert Burns, William Wallace and Robert the Bruce?
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>>30348535
Let me tell you something.

Scotland isn't any different from sub-saharan Africa, the people don't work, they sniff glue or take heroin, the they abuse alcohol to escape their shit lives, they blame the white man (England) for all their ills and they have a bestiality issue.

There's no difference between a nigger and a scotsman, scots are niggers with white skin.
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>>30348535

>English
>white
topkike
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>>30348410
youre going to fuck up everything with your idiotic yes vote
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>>30348666
Trips confirm.
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>>30348596

stop emmbarasing yourself
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>>30348689
scotland is a shit hole
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Scot here and NO, im not going to vote "yes" to economic destruction and the break up of the most successful union of all time.
We'd rather die than be separated from our english brothers!
Also, if we leave we will become the new sweden interms of muslim immigrants.
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>>30348666

>666

English confirmed for the Devil.
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>>30348410
So you're rejecting 300 years of British identity. The Highlanders who won India for the Iron Duke, the Scots Greys, a united Britain that has relative to its size had an immesurable impact on the world. A union that defeated the forces of Nazism and Bonapartism. All ogre
>>
I hope Scots votes yes.
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>>30348630
I don't they were fighting for a different cause
a Time when our countries were totally different places

then we got the throne of England and gradually became one happy country
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>>30348666
If this was true, why would you need them?
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>>30348735
*tips fedora*
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>>30348596

>You have to be in a political union with a country to trade with them
>>
I imagine a slight majority will chicken out and that'll be the end of it
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>>30348735
> >95% white
nice try Jew
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>>30348727
It will be a shithole if they leave
Nationalism is blocking their ability to make intelligent decisions

>DURR I WILL BE ON BIG WORLD MAP
>DURR BIG OIL BLACK YUM YUM YUM
>DURR WE HAVE NEW FLAG ON 4CHAN INT
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>>30348735
sharia law already operates in england
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>>30348770
That's what really annoys me about the yes scum. They have no ambition to make the world a better place. They want to take their back seat and try to hide away from the world hoping nobody's going to hurt them.

fuck that. it's a dog eat dog world out there and we've got to stick together.
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>>30348666
Trips confirm
also I back this as a Scot, sadly true
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>>30348818

calm yourself, son
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>>30348770
>muh bygone empire
Don't be so nationalistic.
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>>30344187
This man is your friend.

This man removes bongs.
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>>30348784
If you read this thread you will clearly see it's Scots admitting that they need us. Without us, Scotland is nothing.

I'd see them gone tomorrow if it was up to me though, sadly we don't get a vote.
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>>30348410

>not being against England or the English

I sort of take issue with this statement though, even though I know ostensibly that it's true.

Amongst the Yes voters, there are those who are genuinely voting because they believe that the best solution for Scotland is independence. I have a lot of respect for those Yes voters, particularly since I can have a proper discussion about the matter.

However, there is a large proportion of the Yes vote coming from the young, male working class in Scotland. No matter how many arguments against Independence are delivered to them, it's all an 'English' plot to keep Scotland chained to Union. It's just petty populism which has no place in such an important decision.
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>>30348596
>90% of our exports are to the UK.
[citation needed]
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>>30348770

>Unionists talk about yes voters are just voting with their heart and because of muh heritage
>Proceeds to rant about British history
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>>30348596
>90% of our exports are to the UK.
Closer to 2/3rds, actually.

>The total value of international exports from Scotland in 2011 (excluding oil and gas) was estimated at £23.9billion
>The total value of exports from Scotland to the rest of UK in 2011 (excluding oil and gas) was estimated at £45.5billion

And again:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Canada
>Main export partners United States 78.5%

Poison the wells, m9 :^)
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>>30348410
I will repeat.

You should not vote yes, and you should convince everyone you know not to vote yes.

I was a yesser until only a few weeks ago.

There is nothing intelligent about going it alone

750,000 scots live in the rUK. They do not have a vote, they are to a man vocally against it. They did not leave understanding themselves as emigrants.

The people do not mystically change at berwick. Britain is a real country. And you are voting to partition it on the basis that we will be better off. We cannot be.
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>>30348943
They are though. Even the ones which go outside of the UK, nearly all of them go through English ports.
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How long will counting the votes take
Will there be a live update of the vote counting like the Swedish thing or is Scotland shit 16th century shit
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>>30348770
>british identity

o im laffin
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>>30346371
If you fuck up the separation, you won't get a second chance.
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>>30348924
As I Scot I agree, if we vote No on Thursday this means only one thing:

>Scots are niggers who want to leach off of the English like flees on dogs.
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>>30348924
Sure.... you sound like an abusive husband.
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>>30348988

Nah it'll be fairly real time I'd imagine.

Main issue is going to be the actual voting. Turnout is going to be at least 85%+, so unless polling stations are prepared (and they should be) there might be issues getting everybody in and voted during the timeframe, which could cause problems on the other side
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Going to stay up all night Thursday watching coverage to post this in a new thread if a Yes vote comes through

wish me luck lads


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=didzxUkrtS0
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>>30348957
Canadians have a separate currency.
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>>30344607
I love you Bulgaria
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>>30349056
Germany as much as you're OK I guess, please don't bully our English friends like that
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>>30348817
What are you trying to say? Its 95% white NOW, but with leftist immigration policies like their beloved nordics, they will be new sweden by 2026 trust me.
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>>30348666
Wow, that's really, really harsh. I thought Scotts invented loads of stuff and were a great military asset?
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>>30348924
If we vote No you have to punish us,

>ban kilts
>ban tartan
>reduce Scottish expenditure to below UK average
>change official name to Jockland
>relocate all kebab and London Blacks to Edinburgh
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>>30349189
So was India.
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>>30348551
I care for independence and the people. We weren't "oppressed" either "that bad" under Swedes and Ruskies, but independence had to happen and now we're better with it.
Although EU is a tentacle of concentrated power which keeps getting more of it and using it to do rather silly and stupid things - understandable too, but still, no good.
Smaller independent nations have much better democracy too. More power to the people and less to the tentacle monster.
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>>30347139
>10 most used words by YES voters
>1. Oil
>2. Salmond
>3. English
>4. Bastards
>5. Emotions
>6. Independence
>7. Freedom
>8. Oppressive
>9. Sad
>10. Angry


10/10
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>>30349235
Fuck, that's a good point actually kek.
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>>30349031
I think Scotland should be allowed to be as independent as Austria is from Germany. Sure the economical advantages to being unified. Sure they speak the same language. But it's their decision.
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>>30349168
>trust me
I'd never trust a Jew.
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>>30347139
GIVE ME SOURCE ON THIS

OH WAIT YOU CAN'T UNIONIST BITCH CUCKOLD LIAR
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>>30349272
we're going to have impoverished and diseased scots bathing and dumping corpses in the Clyde within years if independence goes down.
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>>30349288
but we don't want to go
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>>30349360

It's obviously a joke you fud
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ALBA GU BRÀTH
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>>30347516
Englandistan btfo
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>>30349414
Real Scotsmen want independence and want a seat on the world stage. You're English and don't speak for Scotland
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>>30348932
(That's me you're replying to)

Yeah I agree that there's been a lot of quite stimulating, healthy debate over the whole thing.

You can't pick and choose your voters though, wee bams and that, the orange order troglodytes sticking their oar in, I wouldn't judge anyone by the vocal minority. I don't think it's a 'large proportion' on either side, they just make a lot of noise.

That includes /int/'s keyboard warriors an all! Some folks (not you m8!) are just looking for things to be angry at...
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The past couple of months have shown me that Eire are our bros and most Anglos are a bunch of butthurt whiny cunts. Much love to Ireland.
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>>30349524
I'm Scottish and proud of that, just because I don't see independence as a good thing doesn't mean I'm not a true Scot as much as the nationalists and you want to say that. I'm Scottish and proud, and that's why I'm voting No.


>and want a seat on the world stage
You mean by losing our seat on the UN security council?
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>>30349616
>our seat on the UN security council?
>our seat

Mate if its "your" seat, you're the cupholder at most.
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>>30349441
This isn't a road you want to go down.
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>>30349616
Your not Scottish.

Anybody who votes to remain a region of the UK, doesn't have the right to call themselves Scottish.

What you are is a traitorous Jew.
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>>30347374
Wow, relax bruv/
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All of the "bitter English" in this thread and on this board are actually Scottish 'yes' voters trying to sway 'no' voters by instilling the attitude that Scotland can prove England wrong. Many Scots are bitter towards the English, it's rarely the other way around in reality. Scots aren't niggers, they're just another part of Britain, no different culturally than us. They have worse problems with alcohol and obesity than us English, but that's mainly due climate. The same can be seen in most cold countries, but like Scandinavians, Scots still manage to be efficient and valuable contributors to the union, more so than everywhere in the union except from London and the Deep South. Vote 'no', lads.
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I still don't understand how they're going to change the name of the country, I thought only England and Scotland were kingdoms so they can't call it the United Kingdom of England, Wales and Northern Ireland
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I'm beginning to see why the Yes vote is winning.

From the English perspective:
1) If the Scots stay in they are self-hating and just want to leach off the English system worthy only of scorn
2) If the Scots break off they are retarded and fiscally irresponsible.

From the Scottish perspective:
1) If the Scots stay in they are self-hating and just want to leach off the English system, worthy only of scorn
2) If the Scots break off they are retarded and fiscally irresponsible... but won't be force-fed the English perspective anymore.
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>>30349701
No it is our seat Ireland, we're a United Kingdom if you didn't already know. We've prospered together for over 300 years now, we've had our fights at times, but we've stuck together because we're a strong united team.


>>30349751
Thanks for your input but my legal documents beg to differ.
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>>30349616

>UKfags calling your country a cancerous socialist leech
>UKfags saying your countrymen are nothing but heroine addicts and white niggers
>Side with them and claim to be Scottish

gr8 b8 m8
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>>30349850
>Thanks for your input but my legal documents beg to differ.

NATIONALISTS BTFO
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>>30347374

SERBIA

BTFO
T
F
O
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>>30349777
Scots are niggers.

£1300 more per capita is spent in Scotland than in the UK.

Scots are welfare, socialist scum.

I would vote you lot out tomorrow.
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>>30349850
I guarantee you 100% of the actions made by the UK on the UN security council would have happened without you being part of the Union, calling it in any way your seat is ridiculous, hell its basically just a glorified American seat to begin with.
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Both sides acting like big weans, m8s pls
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>>30349777

>atlastItrulysee.jpg
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>>30349777
Can't wait for you to get a new flag, so that I can disprove this.
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>>30348976
That was a concession Westminster wanted from Salmond to allow the 16 year old to vote. I didn't really understand it either.
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>>30349979
>£1300 more per capita is spent in Scotland than in the UK.
Well we pay £1,350 more in tax than rUK when adjusted to inflation, so that's not too bad. We subsidise ourselves, unlike the majority of the UK. Even if we didn't, you may as well say kick out everyone except from London with that logic.

It's obvious we have more spent on us (and more contributed in tax in return) because of our colder climate.

You're probably just a 'yes' Scot anyway as that English poster said. Stop stirring up hatred, dividing the nation, and resorting to dirty tactics.
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>>30348976
Fuck off traitor.
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>>30350244
>I didn't really understand it either.
It's called Scots Law.
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>>30349414
>implying you could go, even if the referendum was positive
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>>30349189
They used to be a Military asset, now the Royal Regiment of Scotland is dangerously undermanned and is only considered deployable due to the high numbers of commonwealth troops that make up the numbers.

The idea that Scotland is a warrior nation is very dated, now they are like Sweden 2.0
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>>30349745
MON THEN
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>>30350340

>muh oil

Without oil Scotland contributes less in revenue than any other part of the UK.

The oil does not belong to the Scots, it's in UK territorial waters and as such should not be artificially added to your contribution in revenue to HMRC just because you 'think' it's yours.
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>>30350340
Scottish deficit is far higher and we foot the bill.
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>>30350340
Why can't you have a peaceful relationship with scotland, on eye level as equal partners? The scots aren't your subjects and you shouldn't treat them as such.
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If we ended up a third world country it's worth it in my eyes, at least we're not a nation of cuckolds too scared of leaving the nest
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>>30350604
According to the Geneva treaty, the borders would be drawn along the Meridian line. That would leave most of the North sea oil in Scottish waters. It would have been more if Westminster hadn't redrawn the coastal boundary in 1999.
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>>30350244
actually the UN would insist upon it.

Not saying it isnt right to exclude them. Just be aware they are being excluded.
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>>30350685
It's important to remember that we have 10x the population of jockland, we contribute far more, we do all the leg work.

It's funny because Scots get so much for free off our backs, free university, prescription fees. Then they start taking claims for our empire, the achievements of our people, while at the same time ranting on about "muh scottish inventors". They can't have it one way or another.
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>>30350685
Why do you even care?
If they wanna be ruled from London they will let us know anyway.
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>>30350814
There is no border.

The UK is a single entity.

Stop deluding yourself.
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>>30350887
I care for freedom and democracy.
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>>30350685
The nation responsible for Lidice and the murder of partisans in every country to its east says this.
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>>30350852
This.

The biggest asset the UK has is not oil but the number one financial centre in the world.
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>>30350604
I don't want to leave. The whole point is rUK would very likely lose the oil if we become independent. That's when muh oil does become an important factor to our contribution. The Union is mutually beneficial and Scotland leaving would undoubtedly damage the UK economy and infrastructure. Why don't politicians tell us to fuck off? Why is it only bigoted little Englanders?

>>30350685
Do you reply to the wrong guy? The guy I was replying to was replying to an English guy, but I'm a Scot.

>>30350852
We contribute more than our share. Why can't you just see us as another part of Britain? You have the same poisonous nationalistic mentality as the Scottish 'yes' voters.
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>>30350942
>what are juristictions
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>>30350852
All that free stuff is paid from the public sector funding. England must use their public sector funding on things they think are more important
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>>30351076
Paid for by a massive budget deficit that England foots the bill for*.

>>30351024
But you don't, stop perpetuating this myth. Scotlands deficit is higher than the rest of the UK because of their selfish and shit policies.
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>>30351076
Like helping Israel
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I wish different UK flags were on /int/ just so we could see how many Scots are pretending to be English for their agenda and vice versa.
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>>30351168
There really ought to be different flags, they are different countries for all purposes of 4chan stuff like football matches and shit.
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>>30351024
>I don't want to leave.

I really don't care.

All I want is for Parliament to stop the excessive spending in Scotland and to stop Scots MPs from voting on English matters.

This seems absolutely reasonable.
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>>30350986
Yes. We learned our lesson from history and that's what turned us humble. You didn't. You should take a step back and consider what you're doing. It's not your right to decide or to blame. You conquered them.
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>>30350685
Honestly, the hate on this board is just neckbeards looking for something to be angry at. I pity them.

It'll be back to jews and blacks on the 19th... sound and fury, signifying nothing.

But thank you for the ordnung, we need it
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>>30351250
>You conquered them.

Absolutely false.

They came to us cap in hand and we bailed them out.
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>>30351248
Yes, this. Either we get a parliament or the Scottish parliament needs to go. It's bullshit how much Scotflakes get. Vote UKIP.
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The UK without Scotland would probably leave the EU, it would certainly elect Tory governments in perpetuity and become more and more neoliberal. Eventually the North, who are as socialist/social-democratic minded as the Scots, would also want to secede. Can you really see the citizens of Liverpool, Manchester and Newcastle with their histories of trade unionism and belief in working class solidarity, wanting to live in rogue financial state than aspires to be Switzerland-meets-the US? I can't see it lasting.
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>>30351248
I'm a Scot and I agree. I believe there should be an English parliament, or even regional parliaments in England. But getting rid of us won't make everything better for you, it will cause more problems for the whole of the UK.
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>>30351354
What the fuck are they going to do?

The only time they had any power was back during the miners and such, they striked, then got BTFO.
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>>30351354
At the same time though the massively rising amount of immigrants will probably balance out things.
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>>30351332
You took advantage of them.
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>>30351248
the "excessive" (in fact no where near as high as, say london receives) is paid for by taxes.

Nobody in scotland disputes that they shouldnt vote on English matters.
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>>30351410
>I believe there should be an English parliament, or even regional parliaments in England.
That was on the plate not long ago but was rejected substantively.

Pretty retarded idea anyway. You need a strong central government to get shit done.
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>>30351410
> But getting rid of us won't make everything better for you, it will cause more problems for the whole of the UK.

This is just so wrong. Imagine all those fininace jobs we'd get if Scotland left, imagine that debt that we wouldn't have to pay for if they left, imagine that massive public sector they have annihilated, imagine the ship-building jobs back in England again, imagine business HQs leaving for England. There's no logical reason to keep Scotland other than "muh feels". Same with wales and NI.
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>>30351504
>You need a strong central government to get shit done.

Yes, and you also need a totalitarian state to get shit done.
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>>30351250
>This ignorant Nazi
Fuck off.
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>>30351568
wow m8 u sure showed me
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>>30351581
>Never conquered!
>It's real in my mind!
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>>30351410

No there should not be regional parliaments.

England is the heart of the Union and to split it into regions would be a travesty.

Also, let me reiterate: if you stay, go or whatever I simply don't care.

Just don't expect us to continue funding your excessive social policies.

Regardless of what happens Britain will continue to thrive, as it's always done.
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>>30351718
>Just don't expect us to continue funding your excessive social policies.
but you dont.

You fund Wales, and Northern ireland. Scotland pays its way.
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>>30351692
>Japan lecturing me about conquering
It keeps getting better.
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>>30351773
>Scotland pays its way.

explain the massive deficit then
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>>30351457
You mean the number of immigrants rising enough and quickly enough to keep Labour competitive without their Scottish seats? I'm skeptical about that. Plus Tory governments tend to ring bells that don't get unrung, the more of the welfare system they abolish and the more they de-regulate, the less Labour will actually advocate bringing back. They've already established the pattern for this with their pledge to match Tory spending cuts. They will have to drift even futher to the right in a playing field that lacks Scotland.
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>>30351803
that england also has?

The UK runs at a deficit m8.
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>>30351810
>IMMUGRUNTS KEEP LABOUR IN POWER
>"skeptical"

0/10 don't bother seeing me.
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>>30351857
scotlands deficit is higher than uk average
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>>30351661
I was serious.
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>>30351773
>muh oil again

Must we continue with these circular arguments.

Scotland is a region within the UK, as is England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

Oil is located in UK territorial waters.

By all means allocate the onshore operations with regards to the oil to your contribution to the UK's revenue but the offshore oil revenue should not be allocated to Scotland.
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>>30351957
I'm sure you were my young randroid freund.
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>>30351802
You should listen to us. We know what we're talking about.
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>>30351450
same as Scotland did

get a regional assembly/parliament

moan and gripe and build up separatist sentiment

press for a referendum as an end game

after all, Scotland will have already proven that it works
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>>30351966
I'd laugh so hard if a non-EU, non-NATO, miserably armed Scotland started flapping its arms about many-miles-offshore oil rights. That would be funny.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/9008823/Scrap-formula-giving-Scots-extra-cash-say-Tory-MPs.html

>Scrap formula giving Scots extra cash, say Tory MPs

Glorious
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>>30351966
except they are in Scottish waters. To argue otherwise is an absurdist fantasy on the level of claiming london is not in england. Its one nobody shares.
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>>30352024
It means cattle in English too :^)
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>>30352070
Yeah not sure what this moron is ranting about, not even the Better Together campaign uses that "argument"
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>>30352070
>except they are in Scottish waters

Says you and what navy?
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>>30352070
There is no such thing as Scottish waters.

There is such a thing as a region called England and a city called London, within that region.
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>>30347851
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>>30346543
>>30346351
>>30346133


ABSOLUTE FUCKING RETARD
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>>30352140
Garbage argument. Royal Navy stood down to Icelandic fishing ships.
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>>30352161
London is devolved though. which was my point

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Adjacent_Waters_Boundaries_Order_1999

they come under scots law. They are scots waters.
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>>30352070
>The average yes voter is this ill-informed
Truly frightening.
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>>30352054
rUK is not about to breach international maritime law. Who would trust you and work with you again? International influence is crucially important.
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>>30352161
There is a UK Continental Shelf which hasn't been divvied up in case of secession yet.

Exactly how an independent Scotland will assert any rights to portions of that shelf I don't know. Neither do they, apparently.
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>>30352274
im not a yes voter. Just not a fucking retard.
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>>30352274
>The average englishman wants war with Scotland for oil his country is no where-near

Truly frightening.
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>>30352319
This.
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>>30352135
:^)
This is why we call them ?????????/Shotlandiya, because ??????????/Scotlandiya would be really rude and ugly.
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>>30352270
That statutory instrument becomes null and void upon Scotland becoming an independent country.

>>30352318
>"international maritime law"
nigga you don't know shit. International waters begin a few nautical miles offshore, anything beyond that is open season without diplomatic agreements.

How many agreements does Scotland have with anyone?

(protip; it's none)
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>>30352209
how that one slipped through the net I have no idea
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>>30352440
There won't be a war unless you guys start one, the oil is already ours.
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>>30352440
The mask is falling.
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>>30352513
>That statutory instrument becomes null and void upon Scotland becoming an independent country.
fuck off retard
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>>30352590
>s-stop telling me things that are upsetting me, rump UK will be fair and give away oil rights for free with no quid pro quo

Enjoy repelling the RN from some oil fields with some rat piss 'Scottish defence force navy' you desperate mars bar chomping ginger cunt.
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>>30352697
yes they would because doing otherwise would be direct violation of international law. They are scots waters.
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>>30352764
nope! Upon the end of Scotland within the United Kingdom all protection under existing diplomatic apparatus comes to an end and has to be renegotiated.

Tell me, what leverage will an independent Scotland have in maintaining ownership over oil fields?

Hard mode; no 'but it's not fair!!!!!'
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>>30352513
Are you seriously suggesting that rUK plans to ride in on the oil of the North Sea like apocalypse fucking now - which bitter together insists is almost gone anyway - seize it, pump it out at Newcastle or whatever, and expect the international family of nations to ever trust them or work with them again?

Extremely doubtful. The boring truth is that all these things are easily solvable diplomatic issues and nobody with any sense thinks rUK will damage itself so spitefully in this way.
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>>30352860
you're a fucking retard and should cease posting
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I wish Scotland nothing but the best for this referendum.

I can only guess how it feels to be governed by London...

If you want to be the number one for yourself, you have to take it!
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>>30352764
You really don't understand how water borders work. 'Scottish waters' end at whatever they can defend, which is nothing.
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>>30352870
>and expect the international family of nations to ever trust them or work with them again?

Why the fuck would they care? What does Scotland contribute to NATO, the EU or the war on terror? Fuck all. The rest of the world will sit back and do nowt. It isn't going to be 'apocalypse now', the rigs will stay in the hands of whoever owns and operates them (protip; few of those companies are Scottish). They're tens of miles off the coast of an independent Scotland.
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>>30353098
Well, I suppose you're entitled to your adolescent power trip fantasy.

Isn't Norway more likely to go for a grab? They've at least got the proper infrastructure day one. Well, in fact our Nordic friends have offered to help us negotiate with the big companies and set up a sovereign oil fund.

The real grown-up truth is countries study each other's conduct in international relations closely and look much much more for opportunities to work together and co-operate that chances for a quick payday.
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>>30353388
Right. They match up their leverage and partnerships and make a deal.

What leverage does an independent Scotland have? What international groups will accept them as a partner? NATO? The EU? Who? What bargaining chips do they have? They already want a rump UK to share their currency, what else?

It's a lot of asks with little in return. You can try to spin this as 'hurr power trip' all you like but you're not coming with jack shit of substance.
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