>>30148031 replace satire with truth >>30148018 IS has never made threats to carry out a terror attack against America, and its my opinion they have no intention to its ridiculous media scaremongering and warmongering
Assad is not going to defeat IS. (And it's IS not "ISIS" they changed their name a while ago).
His army is depleted and weak. It's supported by Hezbollah and Russia, otherwize it would have fully collapsed. His army is just not strong enough to take back IS areas.
It will be the PKK, YPG, Peshmerga, FSA and other groups that does the majority of the fighting of IS on the ground. They will take back the areas controlled by IS and create a new state. Maybe Kurdistan. Maybe a mixture of Kurdistan and a Free Syria State. Who knows.
>>30148230 There's a part in the Vice video about IS that I've always thought was interesting AND extremely depressing: they show a bit where they're interviewing a young guy on the street in one of the IS-controlled cities about living under the caliphate, and it's pretty evident in his body language and facial expressions that the guy is fucking terrified because he knows he's being watched and the slightest fuck-up will get him fifty lashes or beheaded.
>>30148410 >IS is one organization strattling two countries.
No, you have it kinda backwards the the one that's been being backed into Iraq is Hezbollah and Russia. US governments wants to ignore this but it seems like Russia is doing the same thing with Iraq. Do not confuse the situation in Syria. Even the US government already said they will not interfere with Syria only in Iraq. It tells you the extent of what is being manipulated
No one can make up their mind what to call them. Some still call them ISIL. I have no idea why everyone seems to lag behind. IS said a while ago that they are calling themselves "The Islamic State". So that's what I call them.
There's that really curious bit from one of the IS propaganda vids where a little girl is crying and looking terrified. She has to recite the Koran or something. The IS guy is smiling. It's supposed to show how wonderful the IS is, but the kid looks so scared. She's seen these people do some awful things for sure.
>>30148519 >we judge women on their intelligence and moral qualities, not their looks :)
Sure, that's why women who try to get educated end up having acid thrown over their faces, women who will not bow down to your rules are killed.
>not their looks :) But you are judging them on their looks, so much so that you feel the need to make them cover up out of fear of someone else taking her.
So looks are important, it's a sign of control and possessiveness. Quite sad but I understand, sand nigger men are quite ugly, hairy and smelly. Makes sense that they would feel challenged by their fellow man.
>>30148585 your argument might have some validity if IS had actually 'murdered entire towns' but they haven't, try to stay off your diet of warmongering USA media >>30148520 yeah, citation needed even if it was the rebels, which i doubt, it was FSA, not IS
>>30148554 if the rule of IS was as bad as the media is saying, i.e worse than death, you would expect more uprisings and revolts in IS controlled areas but the fact is, IS rule is gentle and fair, which is why it actually has broad support for the civilian population I don't deny that some people are scared of IS, and are not resisting because of fear, but I would say these people are definitely in a minority, and that the general opinion towards IS is neutral or positive.
>>30148588 >The pattern seems to be the longer IS rules an area the more people hate them.
In VICE's video about IS there's a scene where some guys get into a (very civil)argument with the local morality police over some fellow getting arrested and thrown in jail for some really petty bullshit(I think it was because he caused a minor traffic jam?). You can tell there's already unrest and dissatisfaction amongst the people.
>>30148686 They'll grow tired of it, and when they grow tired. Mr Bad Daddy will order his soldiers to deal with them the same way ISIS dealt with the Iraqi soldiers, Christians and the others that lived there.
Self appointed men that seek power and control will hold onto it and use any justification in order to rule.
It's not something knew, it's not unique. Mr Bad Daddy, whoever is pulling his strings whether it's Allah or the CIA, he has human desires, as do the people currently under the ISIS controlled parts of Iraq. His drives are power and the establishment of rule in his vision. It's his vision and his craft work because he is the one calling the shots.
I don't like self appointed prophets or other religious celebrities. They aren't driven by morals or good. They are driven by things much worse.
Your people will understand this in time and if I'm right? They'll be met with a bad fate.
Thing is, a lot of this stuff is not organized well, and there's stuff that's taken down from youtube. I saw tons of vids from the beginning of the protests. People bringing in the wounded and the dead/dying into hospitals. But I'd have no idea where to find them now. Same with a lot of the other vids and airstrike vids. A lot of them have arabic titles too, so it might not be easy to find in English.
Just general searching on Youtube and liveleak will find a bunch though.
>>30148697 >Where is the evidence of that? The local support for the Islamic state? The ethnic cleansing? The civil wars?
The Arab Spring and the protests were the people standing up and saying "enough". Enough with the police states. Enough with the wars. Enough with the brutality. We want peace. We want democracy. We want civil rights.
>>30148766 >christians, jews option to convert, pay jizyah or leave >shia convert or leave
>>30148848 you write a lot but don't say much Caliph Ibrahim rules only by the shariah, if he abandons the shariah for personal gain, he will have greater problems than the civilian population, because he will be overthrown by his own soldiers
>>30149020 >you write a lot but don't say much I say more than enough, you just don't like what you're reading because it has too much truth for you to want to confront.
I won't hold it against you, but history has a funny habit of repeating itself.
We went through our phase of following religious zealots, it was all fun and games until our people started being executed on Christmas for cooking, or were beaten for speaking on Sundays, or were locked up for singing and dancing.
Uh huh. And Global research is the only one to characterize it as proving it was the rebels.
Global Research is a complete joke. They're far leftists conspiracists. They're so far left that they blame everything as a USA government plot, and thus, they sadly become apologists for foreign dictators like Putin or Assad. This is why I have nothing but contempt for the anti-war American left.
West has to destroy IS first because if Assad's regime falls first then the vacuum could be filled by IS which is not desirable. Once IS is destroyed (and al-Nusra), the west can start properly supporting the opposition.
>>30148866 >and in the real world, its the over-sexualising of women that is actually dehumanising
You're a funny guy, for most people to sexualize another person they need to have an identity and human features that differentiate them from other humans (attractiveness).
Whereas the Muslim bag erases identities and objectifies women by making them resemble shapeless objects.
>>30148937 In Libya they kill each other for the glory of god, in Egypt they rape and murder in the streets and in Syria the people slaughter their neighbors enslave their women and decorate the cities with the corpses of their enemies.
The people are fanatics and zealots they would kill you or I, or worse, if they could.
>>30149079 there isn't a single drop of truth in what you say while your democratically elected leaders are living in luxury, Caliph Ibrahim is leading the soldiers that is the different in quality between your leaders and ours
>>30149128 >Freedom of choice is a false concept of Shaytan. Shaytan has no power over humans, neither does Satan and in Islam, Shaytan is more a projection of ones inner sinful nature, not an obtuse demon that harvests souls, so don't.
We all have choices, I could petrol bomb a mosque right now, but I chose not to because I don't want to go to prison. But I have the choice.
I also have the choice to go and get a glass of water because I'm thirsty. I'm choosing to engage you in conversation when I don't have to, just like you don't have to respond to me.
So no, it's not a false concept, it's a very real concept, more real than the legitimacy of Abu Bakr al Baghdadi.
For me it's not so much skin tone as facial shape. Syrians, Kurds and others have very Euro features or at least very close, so I feel empathy for them. Some people, such as Sudanese look too different than me so I don't feel much empathy for them.
This little girl looks EXACTLY like my favorite niece too. Activists say her and her entire family are held captive in an Assad jail.
>>30149203 >those are the commands of Allah swt No, they are the commands of Mohammed, or rather a man. A mere man who probably suffered from a severe mental illness, co morbid with Narcissism, on top of being a psychopath, egotistical and blood thirsty paedophile.
You should know better than to take your orders from a mere man.
Mohammed was nothing special, another self appointed spokesman of God, like there isn't enough of them in the local loony bin.
>>30149210 Do you think the Free Syrian Army is much better? At best they would implement a military junta or dictatorship, at worst they'd pull a Saddam and eradicate any group of people who oppose them. After all that they would still need to appease Islamists because Islam is the most important thing to the people.
>>30149312 >most citizens of the Islamic state are Muslims, so living by Islamic law is not too large an adjustment for them :) The real caliph extends into southern Europe. Good luck trying to take their alcohol away.
>>30149210 >Stop conflating FSA with the Islamists.
i really wish it wasn't the case. In the beginning FSA wasn't Islamist. But FSA leaders kept getting killed by Jihadists (Nusra, IS and others). So many defections, so many moderate solders either quitting or being killed. There's a BIG question mark around FSA. I have no idea what it even is and whether the leadership in Turkey has any control over them.
And out of desperation many have sided with or joined Jihadist groups.
I hold out hope that with real funding they can be reformed, but that might be naive.
If, in the past FSA got real funding and didn't suffer years of defeats they could have been a solid fighting force. But they're really sketchy now.
That being said, there is no one FSA it seems,and so many different groups. There are some that I believe in and support. But I can't say the same for all of it.
>>30149233 freedom of choice without equivalent consequences is a false concept people after all do have the choice to disobey, a woman can commit adultery in an Islamic state and noone can stop her you say that she should not be punished for that, Allah says that it is a crime and she should be punished for it accordingly is it clearer?
>>30148005 The Syrian air force tends to bomb a lot of areas miles away from the front line where rebsl haven't been in months. The middle of markets, clearly marked hospitals, but for Assad supporters there's always must've been a terrorist hiding in the crowd. Assad supporters can't bring themselves to admit that they're beautiful Assad and his army. Would target civillians
FSA is weak, highly corrupt. Assad is a psycho who caused this mess. IS are even more psychos.
Kurds are the best, but they also come with issues. The PKK have done a lot of bullshit in Turkey. The Peshmerga and YPG are more "clean", but they wish to create a Kurdish nation. Sounds great... well it could be Israel 2.0. An ethnic state with serious ethnic disputes. But the Kurds are the most secular (relatively). They put Kurdish identity above religious identity. There's at least a shot Kurdistan could be a secular democracy.
And a decent shot it will be a military junta or fake democracy with a dicator.
>>30149472 >Allah says that it is a crime and she should be punished for it accordingly >is it clearer? That's where you went wrong, Allah didn't say that.
You have words written down in a book from spokesmen on behalf of Mohammed who proclaimed to commune directly to Allah.
I'm sure Mohammed was only relaying his own desires down to be followed by sheep, he was after all a war lord. War lords have a habit of imposing their beliefs on people, using fear to ensure it's ensconced in history.
You're a fool and your people are foolish for blindly following without question.
Your laws are based upon something, that's fine but be honest, it's based upon the rules enforced by man, not God.
As I've stated, God wouldn't give people free will and ask man to punish those that use their free will.
Maybe when it harms/kills another one of his creations, then maybe I could understand, but then the commands to murder others that do not fall in line?
Sounds more like men wanting to control and rule than a just God that allows freedom of choice.
You are probably too indoctrinated to see the hypocrisy of your religion, I'm not a fedora but it doesn't take an atheist to see the double standard here.
It's vids like OP's or this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ggen-595Ng&list=UUZaT_X_mc0BI-djXOlfhqWQ that really make you realize how hopeless that entire continent is. It doesn't matter if they live under Saddam, Assad, Rebels, Tribal leaders, a Caliphate, a Sheikh,... The people who live in most of the middle east are doomed to a life of complete shit.
For most of the middle east it doesn't matter if any revolution is won there or not. Look at Egypt, look at Libya, and if Assad got thrown out just look at Syria. These places are shitholes and they'll be shitholes for decades to come, guaranteed.
At this rate, with the exception of the wealthiest oil states, the middle east will get surpassed by africa eventually.
>>30149613 >>implying ISIS and al-nursa front don't target civilians
They're cocksuckers too, you'll get no disagreement.
>implying assad directly tells low level officers to target civilians
I'm certain this goes all the way to the top. This is a strategy of complete brutality to destroy rebel held cities one bomb at a time. This is not an aberration, this is the overall strategy for years. Surrender or die.
>>30149447 >The FSA are not a political party, they are fighting to create a proper democracy.
Yes, and Assad is fighting bloodthirsty terrorists to restore peace and prosperity, the Islamists are fighting pagans and infidels who want to destroy Islam and America is fighting to create a world of freedom and democracy.
All I see is Muslims and Arabs fighting so others may suffer and die, even here in the West their children leave their comforts and freedoms, to travel the world to kill and terrorize.
>>30149571 IS is evil incarnate. Assad is almost as evil, but he has a disciplined army and armies don't allow them to film themselves committing atrocities. Between FSA and Assad its a close call, but Assad has killed far more people. The Syrian army has committed twice as many massacres as the FSA. The Syrian airforce is responsible for more than half the civillian deaths. Assad's security forces are responsible for almost 10,000 deaths by torture and execution. FSA is bad, but Assad has a far worse record
>>30149684 >and armies don't allow them to film themselves committing atrocities.
There's tons of videos of them doing bad things. It mostly is the militia torturing people though. I remember one from years ago that I think was SAA. They were torturing some dying FSA soldier. "Do you see the virgins" and laughing. These guys are sickos.
>>30149738 I read couple years ago that one of them cut a babies head off and threw it at the mother. The problem is there's no way to verify if such atrocities are true (other than believing horrified witnesses) since they don't video tape all their atrocities like IS does.
IS and AN hate each other because they both want to create an Islamic State. Al Qaeda and IS differ a bit on when the Islamic State should be created. IS says NOW, and Al Qaeda says later. Other than that they do not disagree much. Consider this the same thing as two cartels in Mexico fighting.
>And those christians militia as well?
I think this would be a newer thing. They would be fighting on the side of SAA. They are Christian and fear being genocided.
Yeah, the vids we have gotten were on smartphones and then leaked, or the soldiers died and their phones were confiscated. SAA and the militias don't have the same thing where they publish all their crimes in propaganda.
>>30149650 The good majority of those fighting Assad are fighting to transform the moderate secular state of Syria into a radical Islamic state. If Assad falls to either ISIS or FSA the result would be the same. The FSA has been enforcing strict Islamic laws in the cities that it controls long before ISIS became a big player in the war. Also you keep saying that the election was a sham without bringing up any evidence, why is that?
>>30149824 I never said it's not true, in fact, the journalist reporting it seemed to think it happened (I guess the witness was believable). What I'm saying is pro-Assad types will dismiss it as anti-Assad propaganda since it is testimonial rather than hard evidence. Things do leak out though, like this http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/20/world/syria-torture-photos-amanpour/
>>30149872 kek dude, this region has been like this for thousands upon thousands of years from the day it surfaced from underneath the ocean tribal disputes, conquerers, empires, kingdoms this soil is watered with blood and the people are pariah it's the nature of the place
And it is said that "The Middle East is where Liberalism goes to die".
But you must never give up hope. Many ME countries right now are at the democratic level as many 19th century European nations. That is partly why there's been this drive towards revolutions and social change. If the middle class begins to grow, there could be real change. ME millennials are better than the previous generations. Partly because of greater access to information.
The mother of James Foley, the American journalist beheaded by ISIS, spoke tonight of her deep disappointment felt towards the Obama administration for their handling of his time as a prisoner of the terror group, saying, 'I really feel our country let Jim down.'
>>30150099 this is quite bullshit though there are legit rebels (original FSA, they're almost non existent now) and then you have islamists and there are religious minorities on both sides, although now they mostly flock to assad because the "rebels" are now mostly actualy islamists
'This whole strategy to eliminate ISIS and the terror threat is important, obviously, so perhaps part of the strategic way of doing that is to bomb them, and to engage in force. But that only caused Jim's death,' she said.
to bomb them, and to engage in force. But that only caused Jim's death - mother of James Foley.
>>30150506 War is hell. It's not the best regime but it's better than the alternatives. I would have supported the moderate opposition, but they no longer really exist and their window for victory has been over for a year.
Letter from Mosul: Why Isis is seen as the lsser of two evils
The bombardment was carried out by the government. The air strikes focused on wholly civilian neighbourhoods. Maybe they wanted to target two Isis bases. But neither round of bombardment found its target. One target is a house connected to a church where Isis men live. It is next to the neighbourhood generator and about 200-300 metres from our home.
The bombing hurt civilians only and demolished the generator. Now we don’t have any electricity since yesterday night. Now I am writing from a device in my sister’s house, which is empty.
The government bombardment did not hit any of the Isis men. Now I have just heard from a relative who visited us to check on us after that terrible night. He says that because of this bombardment, youngsters are joining Isis in tens if not in hundreds because this increases hatred towards the government, which doesn’t care about us as Sunnis being killed and targeted.
Government forces went to Amerli, a Shia village surrounded by tens of Sunni villages, though Amerli was never taken by Isis. The government militias attacked the surrounding Sunni villages, killing hundreds, with help from the American air strikes.
>>30150551 >Arabs need dictators to function properly
Largely true. Arab civil societies are very weak. Lebanon lacks a dictator and functions but only after decades of civil war and foreign invasion. And their strongest military force is a shia militia and not the army.
>>30150659 you know, it's sad and funny at the same time the arab world is like a soap opera there's one dictator, and at one point he starts being too aggressive so there's an over romanticised revolution, followed by utter chaos, then a strong leader that unites the people, he turns into a dictator and the cycle repeats
If Kurdistan becomes a nation, will it become Israel 2.0 with a majority ethnic group oppressing the minorities? I generally support the Kurds, but this is my greatest fear. I look at Kurds and I see Zionist Jews of the 40's.
But after all these years Israel has not been able to make peace with the Palis. That is a failure of everyone. I do not want Kurdistan to go down the same route and have "refugee camps" filled with thousands, and insurgent Turkmen carrying out attacks.
Turkmen and Assyrians are the only ones I really know about.
What do you think of the Kurd's territorial aspirations? They seem to have two solid Kurdish majority areas, one in Syria, the other in Iraq, but between them it doesn't seem to be many Kurds. How could they form one nation with that?
>>30151065 >>30151057 >they can't handle the truth >>30151080 well obviously it depends on their actions, the sunni civilians being bombed by USA and syria/iraqi regimes don't have any options they can choose to stop it whereas if a christian pays the jizyah his life is protected
>>30151145 Giving them all citizenship would mean the 1 state solution and I think that would be fine by the UN and EU provided that they were given full citizenship.
>>30151156 I oppose it. Kurds gained many of these areas during the genocide against us and the Armenians. They have carried out violence against Assyrians for decades, and used the 2003 war to invade our areas and stop us from taking up arms
Violence against us is daily from the Kurds. It's a tragic miscalculation by the West that, as they proclaim their comittment to a unified Iraq, they arm the faction that has been most dedicated to seeing Iraq fail.
More to your point, "Kurdistan" has real infrastructure issues and is on the doll and teet of Baghdad financially. That's the reason they haven't broken away.
>>30151197 >Implying I give a shit if Israel has problem
>>30151193 It's a tax but what hes saying isn't true. In many cases, IS gave no opportunity to Christians and in many cases churches have been razed or occupied.
"All that we have to do is to send two mujahedeen to the furthest point east to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al Qaeda, in order to make generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic and political losses without their achieving anything of note other than some benefits for their private corporations" - Sheikh Osama (Rahimahullah)
>>30151262 >Violence against us is daily from the Kurds. It's a tragic miscalculation by the West that, as they proclaim their comittment to a unified Iraq, they arm the faction that has been most dedicated to seeing Iraq fail.
Then why don't I hear more about this?
>More to your point, "Kurdistan" has real infrastructure issues and is on the doll and teet of Baghdad financially. That's the reason they haven't broken away.
They're going to be selling oil to Israel and Turkey directly though.
>>30151332 jizyah is only for jews, christians and sabaeans :)
"It is true that this shows that al Qaeda has gained, but on the other hand it shows that the Bush administration has also gained, something that anyone who looks at the size of the contracts acquired by the shady Bush administration-linked mega-corporations, like Halliburton and its kind, will be convinced. "And it all shows that the real loser is you," "It is the American people and their economy."
>>30149231 >Syria cracked down on protests. Created a civil war. FSA vs. Syrian government. Other rebel groups created. Jihadist rebel groups created. FSA gets BTFO by Jihadists and marginalized.
Sir, it was another color revolution. This one was sponsored by Saudi Arabia and Qatar. There's a video floating on youtube of one of the Qatar general demanding funding to the rebels or they will expose the information about the people that used the chemicals. Weeks later US started funding the rebels. Qatar/Saudi-Arabia sponsor Wahhabism(aka Radical Islam). Every political side is playing for their interest in Syria but no one really cares about the people/government. The US doesn't want a strong government in Syria because >muh Israel >muh oil interest. >muh middle east alliances.
according to data compiled by the New America Foundation, homegrown jihadists have killed only 21 people (13 of whom were victims of the Fort Hood massacre) in the 13 years since 9/11, while right-wing extremists accounted for 37 victims.
and we still have the media hyping the 'islamic threat'.............
>>30152066 Going to space didn't work out too well for him.
Fuck you Ilan Ramon. We had a right to nuclear energy.
Also, those were tactical strikes against the Kurds, not an attempt at genocide. The Kurds were engaged in the rape and pillage of Assyrian and Arab areas and sided with Iran in our apocalyptic struggle for survival in that war.
>>30152173 Thought about it but don't want to attention whore. I only turn on my name in threads where the /me/ comes up.
>>30152174 We wouldn't have started shit with Israel or ever used nukes if we got them. We only shelled you to try to break apart the Arab members of the allied forces against us.
The killing of civilians is not ok. People forget that the Kurds had engaged in many massacres of non Kurds back then as they do now. Our country was being overrun and the Kurds were in danger of cutting off our oil processing abilities in the north.
The Iraqi army responded to atrocities with atrocities. It's sad and I don't condone the use of gas against those villages. People should also understand that the Kurds have committed far more bloodshed.
That song you posted is based as fuck. I'm dancing to this.
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