>>26975355 It's not that simple though. Getting 300+ million people to stop using a system that they've always used is pretty hard. Then there's the fact that every single fucking thing would have to be relabeled. I'm not saying that it shouldn't be gradually implemented, but you can't change a huge country's infrastructure and thought process overnight.
>>26975397 not really. metric is superior in every way but of course if you're used to imperial you'll think it's better. here we are taught metric in school but many also learn imperial due to parents/grandparents and will usually use imperial for certain things(weight and height mainly) and metric for everything else
>>26975504 I like it for cooking, not baking, but cooking on a stove. Baking is a science though. When you're doing something on a stove top it's a lot easier to go with volume measurements than weight. No need to weigh shit out to make dinner.
>>26975504 Most people I know would say Metric is better than imperial. However, on the subject of height, metric is almost too precise. We change height from the morning to the evening by up to half an inch. That would be a pretty decent swing in metric, but in imperial you can still ballpark yourself around the same height.
>>26975504 Imperial is better if you dont have to convert things.
Take speed for example.
100 MPH is fast. Its a good marker for fastness. If its below, its not 'too fast'. If its above it is too fast.
Whats 100 KPH? Its like, bland not main highway but back road highway speed. Completly meaningless.
Now lets look at temperature. 100 F is hot. Anything below that is not too hot, anything above that is too fucking hot.
0 F is what you set your freezer to to preserve meat long term.
This is much more useful for day to day human life than basing everything on the temperatures that regular water has a state change at sea level.
1. Its salt water, not pure water, that is most prominent on this planet anyway (and Fahrenheit coincidentally uses brine for one of his measurements) 2. Who the fuck cares about the average fucking atmospheric pressure at sea level? Its never going even be that for more than a millisecond, and as time passes the temperature will literally change as earth loses atmosphere.
One acre can produce food for 4 people (a family) using traditional agricultural and livestock practices. It is a sensible way to measure land.
What does 1 square km do, exactly? >b..but it kind of is enough for 1000! No, large scale food production uses entirely different processes and has entirely different efficiency
>>26975428 fractions. The ever ingenious romans did not use decimals, instead for things before 1 they used 12ths. 12ths are good because they can be divided into halfs, thirds, quarters, sixths, and of course twelves.
It is much more useful in common use to say that you have to fold something into thirds than 'into 0.33 repeating's'
two sheets of letter arranged side to side with a small amount of space for binding creates a total visual area which is the golden ratio exactly.
A4 paper is an atrocity.
Get off the europe 'muh sophistication' bandwagon and realize the country that put a man on the moon may actually be doing it right.
>>26975757 mph is better for driving. because that same 100kmph, which is fast, and is a good blend of speed and safety, equates to 60mph, which is one mile per minute. so if you are going at 100kmph but using mph, you know exactly how long its gonna take to get where youre going.
>>26975757 >100 MPH is fast. Its a good marker for fastness. If its below, its not 'too fast'. If its above it is too fast. > >Whats 100 KPH? Its like, bland not main highway but back road highway speed. Completly meaningless. > >Now lets look at temperature. 100 F is hot. Anything below that is not too hot, anything above that is too fucking hot. > >0 F is what you set your freezer to to preserve meat long term.
>>26976217 yeah. here we usually display both anyway so it's really not an issue. like i said many here use both systems depending what they are doing and know how to do very rough conversions pretty quick
>>26975355 But we do use metric for everything important. The only thing we don't use it for is everyday use. I can't estimate a distance in meters intuitively like I can with feet. But for those sorts of things it comes down to preference and familiarity, like the Canadian guy is saying. There's no real right or wrong in those situations. So really the system we've got going on is perfectly fine.
>>26976160 Except you cant. 0 and 100 celsius have no applicable usefulness for daily human life, 100mph is a more significant speed than 100kph, an acre is a sensible unit of land, its more useful to measure things in feet than mm for human-sized projects.
metric is arbitrary as fuck and its only strong point is conversion, none of its measurements are proportioned for the reality humans experience.
>>26976646 i know that, im saying we're taught both. Its not like it alien to us and we have 0 idea what it is. WE can do rough conversion and get a general grip of what 100meters are in feet and vice versa. Why do other people make such a big deal out of this?
>>26976502 >>26976649 >>26976666 He's right though. 0C isn't particularly cold and it never even gets close to 100C as far as weather is concerned. So 100C is utterly useless and 0C is simply arbitrary.
By contrast 0F and 100F represent the approximate lower and upper limit of human tolerance. Below zero and it's starting to get dangerously cold, above a hundred and it's starting to get dangerously hot.
>>26976510 It would be the same process, yes, but it would require a much larger campaign to convert to metric since there's a much larger population, plus Americans are notoriously stubborn. There was a big movement to switch to metric in the 80's, in fact a highway in the south part of my state is the only one in the country to use metric for distance because it was made when the conversion seemed inevitable. But it was just too hard to change all the signs and everything, plus as I said Americans are stubborn.
>>26976502 >0 is the point water freezes and 100 is the point it boils, what's so hard about that?
Under a certain amount of pressure. What good is that? Its not a practical measurement system. I can guarantee you that wherever you live, water boils at a temperature other than exactly 100 C, and freezes at a temperature other than exactly 0 C
Fahrenheit is more practical for expressing human comfort.
100 Is hot 70 is room temperature 50 is brisk 30 is around where water freezes 0 is where you preserve food
>>26976744 0C is when water freezes and 100C, water boils you fucking mongoloid. They are not arbitrary, unlike your 'hurr humans can't handle outside 0-100" bullshit. I'll tell you what's arbitrary - 32F and 212F.
>>26976793 But that's why he specified that this is only in regard to daily human life. For science the US uses celcius, or kelvin I guess. But for atmospheric temperature we use fahrenheit because, well, it's just the better system in that regard.
>>26976860 Why would we need to 'relate' to celcius? The only time you need to intuit a temperature is when you're dealing with atmospheric temperature. And like I already said, fahrenheit is the more logical system for that.
Nobody here has trouble with celcius when we need to use it. It's a very simple measurement system and very good for most things. Just not weather.
>>26976836 And look at how obtuse that would be for discussing the temperature of daily life. You have this tiny meaningless range of strange numbers. Whereas celsiusfags have to use odd numbers like '19' and '37' to describe their temperature, glorious imperial masterace can use sensible round numbers or, if we so desire, a perfect subset of 10ths for getting the temperature just right.
Metric is a a european invention to brainwash the world and turn everyone into inhuman unfeeling monsters who are removed from their natural perspective provided by the superior and more naturally inclined imperial system.
>>26976808 >>26976825 You discuss the weather in daily life anonymous, not whats going on in your coffee maker.
>>26976798 Those are not the temperatures water freezes and boils at though, those are the temperatures that water freezes and boils under a certain amount of pressure. That is the arbitrary part.
The arbitrary things in fahrenheit are based on things like measurements of human body temperature and SALT WATER (which is more important than regular water you filthy anti-salt codex alimentarius eurocommie). Clearly these are the things for glorious human race to base their measurements on, not arbitrary pressures.
>>26976932 For things that its suited for. I guarantee if you aska nasa scientist what temperature they prefer to keep their house they will answer in fahrenheit, unless they are imported scientists from other parts of the empire.
>>26976958 Imperial is also an european invvention you mongoloid >muh I want to use number bigger than 37 and smaller than 19 WHat a good argument. Do you know that if you need precise temperatures you can add a coma then another number ?
Here is the problem. Who gives a fuck what temperature water boils at. Do you measure the temperature to make sure you just get to boiling when you boil water? No, you just throw the fucking pot on there and turn the dial up until it starts boiling. Knowing when water boils it literally one of the most useless things to possibly know.
100f and 0f make up the rough range of human comfort so we can more precisely discuss the temperature.
>>26976983 ONLY AT SEA LEVEL AND NOT EVEN AT SEA LEVEL ANYMORE BECAUSE WE HAVE LOST SOME ATMOSPHERE SINCE IT WAS STANDARDIZED
>europeans don't even understand their own units of measure
>>26976986 >water freezes at 30°F It doesn't, it freezes around 30ish, depending on what part of the world you live in. at sea level its about 32. This is a much more commonsensical way to look at things that drilling into peoples minds 'water freezes at exactly 0C'. I wouldn't be surprised if most of people people implying implications at my claims that fahrenheit is superior dont even know that it depends on pressure at all.
This is the danger of teaching absolutes. Imperial is nice and approximation based, teaching real world knowhow
>>26977008 No it isnt. American imperial is actually different from the old british imperial in a few subtle ways. Nothing very significant, but enough that i can claim it to be superior and american, because america.
>>26977066 >human comfort Do you know that human feeling and comfort zone aren't the same between two people ? While water boil and freeze at the same temperature evverywhere in the world (with, it's true, little variations regarding to pressure that can still be calculated. How do you calculate a human feel ?)
We use it for science. Do you really think changing to the metric system would be successful when there is no significant advantage in everyday life outside of dickwaving contests. Consider how you have to convert to Imperial sometimes, now imagine having to convert to metric every time you attempt to measure something so that you can get a reasonable sense of scale.
>>26977129 It doesnt matter, the point is metricfags claim their system is better, when its just another example of europeans trying to fix things that arent broken, then acting all superior over everyone who just sticks with what works perfectly fine.
It is literally the worst kind of intellectualism to simply desire to sit around all day re-classifying things so you can feel smug about it.
Call me when you get a system based on actual universal constants (and no, kelvin is not based on universal constants, its starting point is, but the width of its units are just copied from celsius, which is arbitrary), then you can claim superiority. Except its still probably going to be less convenient than fahrenheit for every day use because the people who make it will undoubtedly already be corrupted by metric and not understand the value of having sensible ranges in your units that actually have applicable parallels to actual living reality and nature and don't just try to be exact sub-divisions of one another
>>26977206 >I find stones, pounds and ounces easier to visualise m8 I don't understand how people don't realize this. Having to convert everything for the rest of your life from metric just so you can visualize it is stupid
>>26975406 The reason that it bothers people is probably because American media and entertainment use them. American media and entertainment is used by everyone and it is sort of annoying to have to learn it to understand what people mean on the TV.
In the end you have no obligation to make things easier for the rest of us but many people would appreciate it if you would.
>>26977293 That's why you are mongoloid. We have set a logical unit, the pascal, then MEASURED the pressure at sea level. Whatever if it's 1013, 1000, or 850. It's a MEASURE. FarenHeit is an unlogical unit based on human feeling (which are, as I said before, unprecise)
>>26977315 We know what the freezing point of water is too though. 0C or 32F. Not that hard. And you don't need the exact numerical value of the freezing point of water for everyday life. And when we do need the exact numerical value of the freezing point of water, we use celcius. Our system is literally the most optimal system on the planet.
>>26977323 It isn't the greatest country on the planet. It's a huge corporate conglomeration of brown people who convince themselves they a free. Meanwhile exploiting the rest of the world at gun point.
>>26977296 So you are saying, with all the people in this thread insulting imperial for being too stupid to comprehend negative numbers.. you are saying the reason everyone uses metric is that its easier to use if you count on your fingers?
>>26976958 >Whereas celsiusfags have to use odd numbers like '19' and '37' to describe their temperature, glorious imperial masterace can use sensible round numbers or, if we so desire, a perfect subset of 10ths for getting the temperature just right.
Except you need to use 32F to describe the temperature at which water freezes, whereas us metric-using master race can say 0C.
>>26977411 but i dont, because water doesnt even freeze at 32F, only around 32F. Water freezes at the temperature it freezes at.
This is largly irrelevant to humans because not only are humans warm blooded and don't give a fuck if its freezing, but water in the real world is not pure h2o and thus will have different freezing points than pure water anyway.
To us the temperature that water freezes at it just one more thing in nature, nothing particularly important, maybe something worth knowing about some time.
>>26977414 Fair enough, he's retarded. Fact of the matter is that the benefits of switching would be miniscule in day to day life, but it would be a massive pain to switch considering that most Americans think in Imperial and convert to Metric
I just realized something : if we can easily learn any measurement system when we are young (Americans don't have more or less problem withs estimating distance, understanding how cold it is outside than any other people on this planet), it means that the only difference between metric and imperial system is how we convert units and scale with them. Therefore wouldn't be more intelligent to pick the easiest one ?
>>26977401 You're just butthurt because you've never made any effort to understand fahrenheit, writing it off as "retarded american shit". And now that you're realizing how useful it really is you're getting all mad for whatever reason. I don't know why you can't just accept that both systems have their own strengths. Americans do, that's why we use both. But if you want to be ignorant and dismissive that's fine.
Countries that use Metric: Everywhere except America Countries that have put a man on the moon: America >b-b-but le murrilards are stupid! >b-b-b-but muh measuring system! >i-i-t's not like i'm an autist or anything!
I can convert 123157234 metres to kilometres easily in my head (actually, I don't have to calculate at all), you can't convert 123157234 yards to miles without using a calculator. That's the main reason. Celsius is a bit special since it's actually based on science.
>>26977517 >And now that you're realizing how useful it really is you're getting all mad for whatever reason.
I swear to god the only time I use imperial is when I'm talking to an american or crafting something out of wood. Even when I make stuff I will usually use metric because imperial is chinese to me. Sorry.
>>26975757 Do you really not understand that we can say 1/3 of a meter?
Celsius is more effective in arctic climate because it is much more important to know if temperature is around 0°C than 0°F. Do you know why? Because roads are the most slippery around 0°C when the ice melts and reforms regularly. 0°F fills no purpose other than saying that it is cold which everyone allrwady knows at that point.
100MPH is faster than allmost all countries allow you to drive. What you should consider is that 70MPH is as strange to have as a maximum speed limit as 110KPH.
I guess you should start using metric for agriculture as square kilometer is probably a more accurate messurement for how much land is needed to sustain four people than an acre is. This is more true for the US than for most countries.
Everyone changed from imperial because it is stupid, more so when you realise that a foot was not equally long in either Sweden, France or the US. When people say that Napoleon was short for example they assume that his measurements were made in American feet and not French feet which is an honest misstake but still retarded.
>>26977506 >Therefore wouldn't be more intelligent to pick the easiest one For day to day life, yes. And neither measurement system is more difficult than the other, so it's mainly cultural factors (what you grew up using)
>>26977506 The width of a degree of F is about twice as fine as the width of a degree of C. Therefore F is superior. If we were really smart would would invent a system hundreds of times more fine so people could become hyper-sensitive temperature detectors
>metricfags will always be twice as shitty at temperature estimation than masterace
And yes it does work like that, you learn to think in F you can feel the difference of 1 degree of F air temperature, you learn to think in C however and.. well.. who knows
>>26977554 There would be no reason to ever convert yards to miles. nobody does that, if we need less than a mile we use tenths of a mile, though we rarely do because anything closer than half a mile is within pointing distance
Feet and yards and inches and such are for building things like houses or boats. Distance is measured in miles and only miles.
>>26977647 I don't really care if fahrenheit is considered imperial or not, I'm only arguing in favor of fahrenheit anyways. And I'm only arguing in favor of fahrenheit in certain contexts. I don't give a shit about inches and miles or whatever the fuck, they have no significant advantages over metric units.
>>26977629 Why does the rest of the world get so butthurt when we redpill them on fahrenheit? Is your sense of superiority over the US in terms of measurement system really that important to you? It's actually incredible that you all are so uninformed in regards to fahrenheit anyways. 'Ignorant amerilards' are familiar with both systems and recognize that both have their own strengths, but the 'cultured, intelligent rest of civilized world' just shuts their eyes, covers their ears and screams "LALALALALAL YOU STINK WE'RE BETTER THAN YOUUUU".
Guys guys guys screw the metric system it's time to use NATURAL units! Fundamental unit of velocity: c (speed of light) Length: sqrt((h-bar the reduced planck constant)*G/c^3) Mass: sqrt((h-bar)*c/G) Time: sqrt((h-bar)*G/c^5) Temperature: sqrt((h-bar)*c^5/(G*boltzmann constant)) Electric charge: elementary charge/sqrt(fine structure constant)
>>26977733 I love how you completely ignore the fact of the very first satellite was made by the USSR, and the first unmanned programs of observing mars was also done by the USSR. Which resulted in your own country to start researching mars too.
Yuropoors have 15 seconds to explain how the area between 0 and 100 C is scientific. Your high and low range for temperatures are rooted in science, but the incremental changes are just as arbitrary as Fahrenheit
12 inches is a food, 6 feet is a fathom (bet you didn't know that)
Its almost like we are using a system that is reminesent to the UNITS OF TIME WE USE TO MEASURE TIME WHICH YOU METRIFAGTS STILL USE BECAUSE TIME IS SOMETHING COMPLEX AND SUBLIME AND EPHEMERAL. I bet you want to use milidays or something but cant because time is so important to daily human activity that you are forced to use something sensible based on human experience rather than soulless divisions of 100
>>26977849 >our high and low range for temperatures are rooted in science, but the incremental changes are just as arbitrary as Fahrenheit It is based on Kelvin, the incremental change is not arbitrary. 1K=1°C 0°C=273,15K 100°C=373,15K Kelvin is an absolute mesure based on the three law of thermodynamics. It's because of Kelvin if water don't boil at 100°C (99,983) at normal atmosphere anymore.
Yeah, those are the official standing measurements, but when people say 'one cup of flour and 1 teaspoon of salt' in the Netherlands, they usually literally mean 1 cup like in pic related full of flour, and one of those spoons with salt (flat, not a big pile on it)
>>26977861 Oh, they die too. Though they cheated on their tests, they were never smart. Only autistic whites remain.
Ten years down the road the US changes its name to brittania in honor of the new ruling chancelor's waifu's homeland. Within a century, it has annexed much of north america, made starcraft 2 its national sport, anthrocon a holiday, deprecated most "pleb" jobs with robots, made free hot pockets and cheetos part of every welfare check, executed every microsoft and apple employee with replica katanas, legalized loli, and dumped the entire defense budget on scientists researching real life catgirls and furries. Within 200 those scientists have met with success and the brittanians become their own species, with furry men and anime catgirl women, all with amazing strength and intelligence. Despite all this, they still prefer their anime waifus and husbandos.
Their military, armed with laser katanas and phasers set to kill, dominates the world, destroying every "normalshit" that stands in their way with utmost prejudice. The human era comes to close, and the autists expand their ruthless, psychopathic and degenerate empire into space. What few intelligent races they encounter, they either enslave for carnal purposes or exterminate, for each and every one is still chained by social skills and empathy, until they finally meet themselves from the future. The two clash in a violent orgy of war and mutual masturbation, and all life is annihilated from the universe.
The last human alive, kept in a dreaming stasis for posterity, wakes up and sees the dying hours of sentience. His last words before having his face blown off and his anus ravaged by unrealistically large dog penis?
I can get over Americans using the imperial system. It's fine, it's just like a language, some seem more logical but in the end what's logical is what you're used to.
But fuck you guys for making a billion 1,000,000,000. Did you guys just skip the milliard altogether because you wanted to be able to say you have billionaires? Did someone get it wrong and was in denial so much that it became the standard?
>>26978627 There is no limit for that amerilard (discounting possible universal limits for energy storage per unit volume which you needn't worry about because it's probably VERY higb, in excess of trillions of kelvins)
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