Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises.
Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up.
AVOID asking unrelated questions, There is a question thread for that.
Visit the usual "Art book Thread" to find your desired books.
Do not forget to PLEASE RESIZE and crop your images before uploading them. 1kpx is fine.
→ → → → Before asking "what should I read/view/study/learn," Read the f*cking sticky, it's there for a reason: >>1579290 → → → → → → →
>Thread study: Try to draw/paint the opening or any other following images.
Feel free to post your original works as well if you're a baddie.
TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless. (hint: post a child porn and your full name if you would like replies)
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Photo studies, my ass is prepared let me have it.
Posted at end of last thread but I'll repost here.
How these look from a gesture point? Is the energy being preserved?
Following Vilppu's Drawing manual.
This was a 'simple volumes' exercise.
"Box Forms" exercise, from Vilppu.
you need to compare sizes of things relative to each other more. or/and build out of form.
you changed the pose too much.
of course not, look at her leg (top right). look at an actual leg and the amount of mass it has behind. Youre not building out of form. although your perspective is good for someone of your level.\
this isnt the right board for you. Try to find one where abstract is valued
According to the theory of not even doing form, that means you should have equal difficulty on every part, however, the head is much more fucked than the rest. Which means you viewed the head as a head. If you dont want that to happen. Look at your negative space. Theres nothing to say.
this is my paleontology assignment. it's a brachiopod. thoughts?
I did this today. Quick study. Thoughts?
Also pretty sure I really oughta slow it down when it comes to drawing. Impatience is probably my biggest weakness overall.
this thing is like a clam. imagine a clam with a hole on the back. the red muscle goes through that hole and contracts to open the shell, while the purple muscle contracts to close it. I might need to add descriptions or change the order of the pictures to make it more readable.
how do I fix the perspective?
Still a shit rookie but I am making progress since this time last year.
here's a picture of the thing
making it look concave is the biggest of my worries.
As long as it's drawing while actively thinking about it, I wouldn't worry about x time per day. If you're zoning out trying to just draw what you see, 2 hours of that is worthless vs drawing a jacket for 15 minutes and trying to understand the folds, structure, underlying form, etc.
Don't thank me you fuck, Thank yourself for believing in yourself to fucking do it.
You'll get fucking bored if you draw fucking boxes for 3 hours, so try mixing it the fuck up instead of bitching about how fucking boring it is (because I know a bitch like you will).
Just for you anon, I pulled together some easy stuff to practice that isn't a fucking basic box. You'll be thanking yourself for not being a bitch and trying something new.
Some face studies. The rightmost guy's face anatomy is fucked, but anything else?
Sorry for the repost- and thanks to the anon who replied in the last thread- but hoping for some critique to help point me in the right direction.
Used a picture from here as a reference and pretty new to the whole drawing caper. Only really done Keys to Drawing at this point.
Even if figuring out boxes was boring it's not really supposed to be fun, that's not the point. I've been doing 3 hours per day of whatever I'm studying (I guess 4 sometimes), so god damn if I'm not going to draw some boxes.
Thanks for your advice. I will practice some more in the future.
From an artistic standpoint it's not great, but as someone who knows what a brachiopod is it gets the point across. Coloring in the inside surfaces might help make it clearer what's happening tho.
Also, putting the relaxed and contracted stage of each muscle immediately next to each other would also clarify what you're trying to show. Maybe add some arrows demonstrating which way the shell is moving and which way the muscle is contracting.
As for the concavity of the outer shell, shading in the concave part should get the point across.
I know I need to grind hands, feet, and knees. I just want feedback on the overall anatomy for now. It feels awkward but I can't quite tell why. Halp
Nosebro and C++ sitting in the tree
First comes love.
Then comes marriage.
Then comes baby* in the baby carriage,
Sucking his thumb,
Wetting his pants,
Doing the hula, hula dance!
I can tell that you're constructing lines, but they're not straight lines. Grab a ruler and see if the eye line, nose line, mouth line etc are parallel to each other.
similar critique for you- don't jump onto values before you can construct a face. you're losing the foundation of your drawing and it looks very amateur.
Both of you are shit and have no idea what you're critiquing. Before you try to help anyone at least get to a basic level.
>inb4 various metaphors of you don't have to be good to critique
You have to know what you're critiquing before you critique it, and clearly neither of you can do that.
Self-portrait study, criticism needed. Took me 2 hours. I used to doodle a lot in school, but I'm trying to get into drawing seriously.
I know I'm better than you, the fact you think you're "5 times better" because you looked at an exercise I did in 10 minutes that I made for an example speaks for itself.
And that fact that in that example drawing, your critique consisted of focusing on 1 anatomical error instead of the trends.
post your best work then. The anatomical error was a trend. post your best work, ill redline it as well as show you the trend in the post ( but ill only do it for the post if you apologize)
>implying anyone is dumb enough to try and win an argument with their art
>implying anyone wants a critique by you
You really are just an idiot aren't you?
As my last post ever to you, I'll add my fuck off to it. Clearly you're not just a troll, you genuinely believe you're helpful, you really aren't. Your critiques are as bad as your art, and I'm betting I'll being seeing you progress in a cringe thread real soon.
finished 'new drawing on the right side of the brain' yesterday, one of the first and last exercises were self portraits, 1 month apart +-
It looks nice, reminds me of disney-stylized characters. But, I've noticed the bottom lip got odd shape, usually they should be somewhat symmetrical. Also look at the chin, the least exposed part of a chin doesn't match the angle of the other. Or it just looks that way. Anyway, good luck.
and this, both this 2 before even starting the 'drawing on the right side' book
ive only been drawing for 2 years, so basing myself on my current progress (at 1 hour a day) i should be fine. Funny how you refuse to show your work.
Anyway, ill go OUT OF MY WAY. to help a dumbass like you, just for the sake of others.
So guys, I have been trying to work on the shadows of this character for some time, but I always feel like I'm adding shadows where they shouldn't exist.
Can anyone give me a tip on where to place them? Arrows represent where the light is coming.
Constructing cast shadows is one of the most difficult aspects of painting from imagination. The best tip I can give you is to download daz3d and light a model in a roughly similar pose for reference.
>just in case anyone actually agreed with me, I'm going to go ahead and prove that I am actually the worst artist on /ic/
I'm kinda enjoying the new shitposters, at least they're entertaining and namefag so we know who not to take seriously.
You've got the right idea, but it's at the same time too rough and dirty to truly tell your ability. I think you need to focus some on controlling the pen, as the shapes, especially around the bottleneck, are off.
either youre same-fagging or the beginners thread is full of really dense people. i just put some line of actions so he could understand the center mass but i guess thats too complex for you guys, so i took a couple minutes on a singular figure for the retarded ones amongst you
>what the fuck is going on with her crotch?
>legs still broken
>where did her other arm go
All you did correctly was define the hip's connection and add a center of gravity. Not to mention the "quick-fix" was literally only adding those two pointless lines at the bottom that have no relation to the figure.
great job! now go draw boxes.
you got the eye to see details and the dexterity to put them down. the next step is to start learning the forms under faces, the body, etc.. this will probably take much longer than a month, but it will improve your work even further!
So that you can shit on me regardless of the quality? So that you can continue to fuck up redlines anyways? You wouldn't understand, either way, because you're a fucking train wreck.
If only one hour of your day is spent drawing, I'm pretty sure at LEAST twice that amount of time is spent making shitty, unhelpful redlines and trying to get other people to waste their time listening to you, when you don't know what you're talking about in the first place.
You're not helping anyone. Turn off your computer and go fucking draw.
first serious piece i've actually tried to make, i think it's ok but it feels like it should have something more.
it seems to me it is generally too '1 tone'
the 'stem' is 1 tone, the fruit is pretty much 1 tone, the background, idk what that is, is 1 tone..i would say its ok but try to play around a little more
(my opinion, i'm just another loser here)
the background was supposed to be wallpaper but i got lazy with it, i can fix that pretty quickly though. i think i should start following pictures more instead of drawing straight from memory, no?
>I draw on my computer dumbfuck
Then close /ic/ and go draw.
You placed the neck in the wrong spot, dipshit.
So tell me, why hasn't this faggot been banned yet? Does /ic/ just not have mods or something? All he does it shitpost and give horrible advice that actually hurts artists.
Other boards people get banned far less.
You should be using a reference and attempting to accurately render what you've seen. I can tell you have an idea of what you're supposed to be doing, but you need experience rendering real things before you can jump into something imaginary. You cannot draw or paint something you don't have experience drawing and painting accurately. Anyone who draws or paints something accurately from imagination is drawing upon a large well of observational experience due to use of reference.
There are a number of other problems, but I don't think they should be addressed with this picture. Try doing a grayscale painting of an actual cherry (I'm assuming this is a cherry). Draw or paint it as it appears, in the environment it's in. Don't put any imaginary elements in, don't use colour.
Find a picture of a cherry or whatever on google, set it to gray if it isn't, and spend a good long time on it. Measure more than you want to. Don't draw or paint anything differently than it actually appears.
Ban evading gives mods the right to ban him on sight for his name though.
Plus due to how the rules are made you can get banned for everything. I've been banned from /a/ for critiquing (a genuine critique with advice and a redline) in a drawthread.
I'm sure they could ban this guy for lots of things.
Im using it, I think its really good. Drawing from the shoulder is for smoother lines, I dont think people use it for details, you can use your wrist there. Your drawings probably look bad because you have never practices it - neither had I.
There was a video of some guy on youtube with exercises for the shoulder - basically, draw a lot of straight lines, and then try to draw directly on top of them, starting and stopping the same place - all using your shoulder. Also, do a lot of circles. If you do that enough, doing lines or circles without the shoulder will become weird.
it would help if you learned how to draw and be able to see the forms and shapes of the values :u
practice: put a layer over the original picture, then draw SIMPLE SHAPES (4 sides max) of a value.
harder brushes won't solve the problem. right now you're guessing or not even recognizing the shapes of color. this will at least force you to see what you should be seeing.
plus, make your values more extreme. I don't see any true black or true white. don't be afraid to use it.
Does anyone know how to practice perspective? I know about 1/2/3 point perspective and the book in the sticky, but how do I apply it? I never draw perspective lines because I can never plan that far ahead, should I start doing that or what?
Also, I can only draw okay in certain perspectives and when I do deviate, I end up tweaking and tweaking until it ends up back into one of my comfortable perspectives. Should I go back and read some loomis "fun with pencil" or re read "perspective made easy" and do more of its excercises?
I never honestly took art or drawing seriously, rather I took a casual approach to it, over the years I have noticed great improvement but not much to the point of being a 'good' artiest
Here is some drawing test I found following a link in the sticky... thought I give it a try and see what you guys think
Here's a question I'm sure you get all the time...
In my efforts to learn how to draw, I realize how little I really know about art.
I'm not picking up those shitty learn manga in 2 weeks books, so I'm wondering if anyone on this thread can tell me how to pickup (or what are) the fundamentals of art.
It's not a test, it's an exercise, and you did it fully and one hundred percent wrong.
Do it again, DO NOT think of the image as a portrait, look at the lines and how they correspond to each other in 2D space, copy those lines. Abstract the figure and only think of lines.
Also do the full thing you bum
In any case there are better exercises to do in Keys to Drawing.
Just starting here, I bought some pencils and sketchbooks, sat down and getting ready to draw, but I'm already lost.
Should I do those upside-down shape drawing exercises for a few days/weeks, should I read from the Loomis books I downloaded to start? Should I go one drawabox?
I'm really not used to unstructured self-study and I'm not the most persistent of people, but I want to try and stick with this.
My problem is, I don't know where to start with that. I mean, I can kinda guess what some mean, but I haven't the foggiest one what "boxes" or "value studies" are.
Unless boxes is literally just cubes, in which case I've got that down.
Trying to replicate the colors without using eyedropper,then i used it in bottom left to see the difference, there are lots of blues. I know form is wrong but i was just trying to figure out the colors.
pic related 3 layer is all you need anons
I always do 1 color and use (color burn and multiply) this is my easiest when im coloring.
file related https://www.dropbox.com/s/ov7i7fpprhdkro1/C%2B%2B.zip?dl=0
did you report that anon?
i dont like leading the beginner thread
My only motivation to draw is my desire to create cute girls.
How far do I have to go before I make it?
I don't know what the fuck I'm doing, but something inside tells me to ask for CRITIQUE.
I've been following the exercises on Keys to Drawing, but my inner pervert just wants to draw asses.
A few questions.
Is my construction in the second image passable?
How bad is it to actually use chicken scratch lines like in the right-most drawing? I feel comfortable doing this...
Getting good in art is about going out of your comfort zone so get that down.
As for your sketches, you need to study proportion and the five basic shapes.
Then move on to light and shadow.
Draw from life and go to drawabox.
Do all of the exercises and homework on the website.
Start with lesson 1 and follow the instructions.
Do not skip a single step.
youre drawing sausage people, try to obtain form by creating your figures out of simple shapes as opposed to using superposition of features. You have the same problem as the other anon i fought with higher as in your figures get stiffened by having a bad concept of mass in the low legs. Look at prokos gesture tutorials
>Is my construction in the second image passable?
If you want to draw marshmallow man porn. Probably.
Don't chicken scratch. It shows your lack of confidence. Get out off your comfort zone if you want to achieve something.
The most important thing you'll get out of Loomis is a basic sense of proportion and structure imo, if you go for Loomis' Figure Drawing, you need to seek out gesture on your own to balance yourself. Vilppu and Hampton are the big names to look for in that regard.
First actual thing I drew with my first actual tablet
Probably the most fun I've had drawing something
Something oddly therapeutic in just cleaning up lines and scratching shit out
good, i would go practice drawing ellipses more. notice how the cylinders don't have parallel flat sides. the same problem is happening on the mouse too. you could also work on this by drawing boxes- where the parallel sides are much more obvious. you'll be able to see it and work on it more.
Draw in a box, better than sticky?
I feel like it lays out a cohesive path to at least being decent, whereas the sticky goes "here read these books", and each book says different things, to a point where I as a beginner interpret them as being contradictory
How do I improve on my gesture? Where is the secret of this technique? I feel it is wrong but I don't know where to see
Use less lines and be less scribbly. Try to be a little more deliberate with your lines. Watch the proko videos on gesture on youtube. He doesn't spazz out on a 30 second pose, rather he takes his time to actually take a good look at the model before he places a few well thoughtout lines. I actually learnt a lot by copying his 30 second gestures line for line. I paused the video when I had to. Then I drew along with Proko. Several dozen attempts at the same pose.
managed to draw a decent eye in between perspective sketches. what do i need to improve on
Is it normal for your hand to hurt after sketching for an hour? I'm afraid I might be doing something bad to my hand. It's kind of a stiff pain from my ring finger down to my wrist.
Definitely not normal. It's hard to say what exactly you're doing wrong without seeing you drawing, but there's probably some unnecessary tension somewhere in your hand. Try to relax.
I don't know if this beginner oder advance stuff. But can you tell me how to get that crisp contour like in the image from mrjack? I'm currently using a hard brush with 25% flow.
besides my persoective and details are ass. how do you get the look of a dark brown glass bottle? i can't figure out how to at least make it look like glass and i have 4 more to draw for my class over the next week. Any advice?
I have a problem with drawing boxes in a perspective. I know its the most basic thing so I want to get over it asap, do you have any tips?
Yeah, quick symbol drawing shit. But is my construction/setup at least somewhat right?
>Are there any tips for it or i have to get good magically?
No, but what specifically are you not getting. Explain boxes in perspective in words to yourself and that should be enough to understand, the rest is accurate guessing and good strokes. Which part are you unable to do?
if its just about the boxes and not about the learning you could always cheat and put the perspective points and get them perfectly.
>if its just about the boxes and not about the learning you could always cheat and put the perspective points and get them perfectly.
Thats kinda the issue, I dont want to cheat with perspective points but at the same time i want to get them right as soon as possible. I dont want to rush it, I just want to understand it in quick span of time
Lets say I want to draw a box here, it has to be straight to the viewer's eyes and I cant quite understand how should it be done.
So when I draw proportions for a human head, I first draw a circle and then I chop off the sides of the head equal to 2/3 the height of the circle. I'm sure this is common practice for everyone. However, what much do I cut out length-wise?
Determine the top of the head and the chin with two lines. halfway point is the eye line. Slightly above the eye line is the brow. half way between brow and chin is bottom of nose. Half way between bottom of nose and chin is bottom of bottom lip. Ears are between brow line and bottom of nose line. Width of head is equal to the distance between the top of the head and the bottom of the nose. There is one eye width of space between the eyes. The width of the head is 4-5 eyes.
you don't need to be strict and use a ruler for everything. setting a horizon and points is enough. there's something to be said for working smarter, not harder. if it helps you to understand, use it. fumbling around hoping to nail it is a waste of time.
too long vertically? Yeah, same goes for the nose/mouth issue I havent focused on drawing ears correctly either so i def gotta work on that.
My main issue is, the jaw is cockeyed always, no matter what I do. How can I fix that? The more I try to fix it, the worse it gets. My angled lines can never mirror correctly.
I'm losing faith in my ability to improve. I tried doing this in 30 minutes and began to feel stressed, disappointed and uninterested by the end.
These last exercises in Keys to Drawing have been brutal. I'm supposed to be drawing free-hand to control hand in combination for this exercise.
Is my grip off? Why am I unable to properly scale what I'm seeing?
I used to like drawing, Anyone have the feeling.
Like you can remember the mental pathways used when you were bad at drawing and enjoying it. Ive never felt that way about anything else.
Thank god i dont draw though, gives me more time to write the sticky and wack off.
My drawings for the day. Pose reference from some screenshots of Cross Game.
stuff i've done today. trying to get a firmer grip on anatomy/bodies and line confidence (folds on drapes) critique please
http://www.boredpanda.com/athlete-body-types-comparison-howard-schatz/ and reference thread on /ic/.
you got folds in clothing and anatomy pretty well done. pose on left drawing is a bit stiff though due to right shoulder being a bit too far at viewer's left and arm being completely straight. otherwise nice
The first thing you can really do to improve is to work on your lines.
When you outline forms like in the second drawing picture, everything looks hairy.
When you shade and try to make your mid tones, your lines are a mess and don't follow any contour and look like scribbles (because they are).
I'm pretty sure thats pen, but if the ink is making it difficult for you to put down a light or mid tone, just go back to a pencil. From there work on you forms since all of them look flat, and then after you have your basics down, you can look at your proportions on the figure.
hopefully that wasn't too hard to follow and isn't your average shitty crit from here.
i cant get the foreshortening on her left leg right for fucking anything. can some check the general anatomy and redline how that leg should be? cant fix my line quality, im drawing in a car
heh the head is retarded. that was just a place holder, ill do a proper loomis construction when the figure is down right. i feel i should explain because your red line changed the pose to something i didn't want it to. her hips are supposed to be flat, not tilted like in your redline. from there her right leg, the furthest and 'top' leg is simply supposed to be bent. her left leg, the 'bottom' leg, is supposed to be bent but laying to the side with knee pointing at the viewer.
but yes i agree i need to study all those. does figure from imagination have a stupid high learning curve or something? it feels like im starting at the beginning again.
>head is retarded
i did not focus on the detailed ..i was focus on the construction of the body;
>changed the pose
don't sense gravity and the bone and anathomy construction on your work
>her hips are supposed to be flat
too much gravity
>not tilted like in your redline
>the furthest and 'top' leg is simply supposed to be bent.
your right . sorry for that ...
> it feels like im starting at the beginning again.
yes .. yes you do..and don't worry too much you got this..
>does figure from imagination have a stupid high learning curve or something?
Nose Bro ¢π can explain please to anon..
well what i meant about the hip tilt was shes sitting with a slight lean back. both ass cheeks are flat on the ground. the redline has it so that the right side of the tip is turned up. i understand that there's perspective that needs to be applied depending on the viewing angle but its that leg im having trouble with
and im not sure what you guys mean by gravity. ive never heard of gravity being applied to overall figures, just boobs, on this board
> but its that leg im having trouble with
> not sure what you guys mean by gravity.
this is my Criticism...
>ive never heard of gravity being applied to overall figures
#volume and mass ring a bell? yes or no?
#you that the human body and every life has inside water right ?
but how do i construct the foreshortened leg?
>this is my Criticism...
but i dont understand it. its just a not well done figure outline
>#volume and mass ring a bell? yes or no?
i read those once
>#you that the human body and every life has inside water right ?
> how do i construct the foreshortened leg?
>but i dont understand it. its just a not well done figure outline
practice anon ..
>i read those once
sorry i was lazy to teach you the construction ... wish the the picture help .
i posted this in the draw thread but got rekt so i worked some more on the stuff they said was shit and here it is now.
Clouds don't look like that, here some tip for you
so im basically lacking in details. otherwise my composition, colors, perspective, forms (besides the details) are okay? as for the island, its supposed to be so far away that you cant make out on anything on but still obviously completely covered in trees and shit.
Second mountain should blend in more with the background, more bluish, to create an illusion of distance.
>for the island, its supposed to be so far away
make the island smaller pic related
> but still obviously completely covered in trees and shit.
it's a beach fix it.... grass don't grow on sand you know
How do people straight up just draw shit?
I started learning to draw 2 days ago, and I'm using construction lines. But I see people just draw without any sort of planning on paper. Is that some prodigy shit or nah?
>>for the island, its supposed to be so far away
bad choice of words on my part i meant far enough away that you cant make out individual objects, similar to >>2395566 (great tip btw) and i do sorta like the smaller island, not so small as your pic but a bit smaller
>it's a beach fix it.... grass don't grow on sand you know
i raise you a beach grass but youre right grass doesnt grow that close to beach at all.
i think i may extend the canvas to the right and push the plants further to the right so its more believable
thanks for the tips everyone
His left knee is too near, legs are separate in middle. Folds don't look like simply strokes, face is off and completely out off perspective. Down part of torso doesn't work with upper, and his left arm is completely fucked up.
it looks good, but you have to look at the proportions of the facial bones. the first one doesn't have a chin and that's way better on the right one. Still you have to take care of the jawbone ;-)
perspective points, like construction, are basically for when you're working with bizzare, complex perspective or you're a beginner who hasn't really internalized yet how things should look at various distances and angles (like me)
someone who is a really good draftsman and who is already intimately familiar with the human body can get away with not using complex, loomis-esque construction lines. same with perspective points. if you're already really good at breaking things down into simple solids and placing the in perspective, perspective points become less necessary in most cases
left is yours? use a harder brush and slightly greater contrast. areas that are supposed to be smoothly blended should be even more so, so the viewer has an easier time telling hard edges from smooth ones. in the goldfish, smooth parts are blended real well so the hard edges stand out more
i like the use of shadow, especially on the skull
Well first of all it does not look good, left is horrbile, right is slightly less horrible.
Study construction of the head and stop symbol drawing learn the basick shape of the head then learn the basic shapes of the facial features
My first attempt at anatomy. I feel that my shapes still aren't defined enough, any tips?
I've never really done any art besides when I was really little, but I've always liked Pennsylvania Dutch art and I want to try my hand at it. I found some books on the style but wanted to know if anyone knows of any online references.