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Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises.
Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up.

AVOID asking unrelated questions, There is a question thread for that.

Visit the usual "Art book Thread" to find your desired books.

Do not forget to PLEASE RESIZE and crop your images before uploading them. 1kpx is fine.

→ → → → Before asking "what should I read/view/study/learn," Read the f*cking sticky, it's there for a reason: >>1579290 → → → → → → →

>Thread study: Try to draw/paint the opening or any other following images.
Feel free to post your original works as well if you're a baddie.

TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless. (hint: post a child porn and your full name if you would like replies)

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>>2391431
THE KING IS BACK
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>>2391434
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>>2391440
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Fuck me man.
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>>2391452
but were you looking at your negative space?
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>>2391452
try using plumb lines
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Photo studies, my ass is prepared let me have it.
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>>2391467
>>2391473
ty for advice will try
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>>2391431
Can you give me some tips?
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>mfw
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>>2391452
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Posted at end of last thread but I'll repost here.

How these look from a gesture point? Is the energy being preserved?
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Following Vilppu's Drawing manual.
This was a 'simple volumes' exercise.
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>>2391695
"Box Forms" exercise, from Vilppu.
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>>2391488
you need to compare sizes of things relative to each other more. or/and build out of form.
>>2391557
you changed the pose too much.
>>2391628
of course not, look at her leg (top right). look at an actual leg and the amount of mass it has behind. Youre not building out of form. although your perspective is good for someone of your level.\
>>2391674
this isnt the right board for you. Try to find one where abstract is valued
>>2391695
negative space.
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>>2391500
you have no idea what you're stylizing/ symbol rawing, wait for the new sticky to come out and read it.
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>>2391709
>>2391695
Can you extend the critique, please?
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>>2391723
NO
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>>2391723
According to the theory of not even doing form, that means you should have equal difficulty on every part, however, the head is much more fucked than the rest. Which means you viewed the head as a head. If you dont want that to happen. Look at your negative space. Theres nothing to say.
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From the study thread, how are my forms?
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>>2391737
Thanks! I'll work on that.
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>>2391753
confused as to what is happenning with her side.
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>>2391756
Oh I uh thought of the torso as a box and didn't really smooth it out in the contour.
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>>2391715
The sticky's still there. It's just at the end now for some reason.
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Trying to get the hang of this
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>>2391761
im not implying the sticky disappeared, its at the end in your case because you put your settings on catalog to last replied as opposed to last bumped.
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non-artist here
this is my paleontology assignment. it's a brachiopod. thoughts?
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>>2391431
who is this qt pie
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>>2391815
shouldve done it in 3d, im not sure i understand whats happening. Also perspective is off.
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I did this today. Quick study. Thoughts?

Also pretty sure I really oughta slow it down when it comes to drawing. Impatience is probably my biggest weakness overall.
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>>2391851
this thing is like a clam. imagine a clam with a hole on the back. the red muscle goes through that hole and contracts to open the shell, while the purple muscle contracts to close it. I might need to add descriptions or change the order of the pictures to make it more readable.
how do I fix the perspective?
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Still a shit rookie but I am making progress since this time last year.
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>>2391902
here's a picture of the thing
making it look concave is the biggest of my worries.
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>>2391904
Proportions
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>>2391907
Thanks for the image. I will try harder.
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>>2391910
My other advice is just practice every day. No missed days. Even if it's just for half an hour, do it.
Slacking off is a slippery slope
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>>2391913
Thank you kind sir, I'm not that guy but you just inspired me into another 3 hour session of drawing boxes.
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>>2391913
Yeah, I usually get in about anywhere from a half hour to 2 hours a day.
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>>2391917
As long as it's drawing while actively thinking about it, I wouldn't worry about x time per day. If you're zoning out trying to just draw what you see, 2 hours of that is worthless vs drawing a jacket for 15 minutes and trying to understand the folds, structure, underlying form, etc.
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>>2391915
Don't thank me you fuck, Thank yourself for believing in yourself to fucking do it.

You'll get fucking bored if you draw fucking boxes for 3 hours, so try mixing it the fuck up instead of bitching about how fucking boring it is (because I know a bitch like you will).

Just for you anon, I pulled together some easy stuff to practice that isn't a fucking basic box. You'll be thanking yourself for not being a bitch and trying something new.
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Some face studies. The rightmost guy's face anatomy is fucked, but anything else?
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Sorry for the repost- and thanks to the anon who replied in the last thread- but hoping for some critique to help point me in the right direction.

Used a picture from here as a reference and pretty new to the whole drawing caper. Only really done Keys to Drawing at this point.
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>>2391922
Even if figuring out boxes was boring it's not really supposed to be fun, that's not the point. I've been doing 3 hours per day of whatever I'm studying (I guess 4 sometimes), so god damn if I'm not going to draw some boxes.
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>>2390425
Thanks for your advice. I will practice some more in the future.
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>>2391926
cool faces anon
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>>2391709
>critiquing anatomy when I'm asking about gesture
Dumbass. I know you're just a troll regardless but I want you to know you're an idiot.
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Is drawing from pictures still considered observational drawing?
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>>2391815
From an artistic standpoint it's not great, but as someone who knows what a brachiopod is it gets the point across. Coloring in the inside surfaces might help make it clearer what's happening tho.
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>>2391815
>>2392009
Also, putting the relaxed and contracted stage of each muscle immediately next to each other would also clarify what you're trying to show. Maybe add some arrows demonstrating which way the shell is moving and which way the muscle is contracting.

As for the concavity of the outer shell, shading in the concave part should get the point across.
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>>2391482
I like them, but I am a noob
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>>2391866
I dont think that is where the biceps is, try moving it further down the arm
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>>2391926
cool stuff
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Is this bad?
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>>2392025
dem eyes and tumbler nose doe
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>>2392025
Cool sectoid with a wig.
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>>2392025
She looks like reptilian with some mutation disease. It's okay if you wanted her to look like that though. Otherwise it reads nicely.
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>>2392028
>>2392031
>>2392033
thank you for the critique lol
I'll make the necessary adjustment.
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>>2392025
how much can one possibly like loish?
Elbows too flat, mouth mistaligned, nose/mouth too low, one ear too high, eyes non symmetric, eyebrows not symmetric
>>2391906
stop shreding your nails
>>2391904
needs 90 more degrees
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is this better?
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>>2392086
ya, if your fine with losing every that was interesting with the style mouth still misaligned
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>>2392025
nice artstyle ... but draw it again ..
>>2391995
anon is not troll and not an idiot.
if you dont like Critique get out from /ic/ - Artwork/Critique
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I know I need to grind hands, feet, and knees. I just want feedback on the overall anatomy for now. It feels awkward but I can't quite tell why. Halp
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>>2392114
Nosebro and C++ sitting in the tree
K-i-s-s-i-n-g!
First comes love.
Then comes marriage.
Then comes baby* in the baby carriage,
Sucking his thumb,
Wetting his pants,
Doing the hula, hula dance!
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>>2391926
I can tell that you're constructing lines, but they're not straight lines. Grab a ruler and see if the eye line, nose line, mouth line etc are parallel to each other.
>>2391808
similar critique for you- don't jump onto values before you can construct a face. you're losing the foundation of your drawing and it looks very amateur.
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>>2392135
HAAHAHHAHAAHHA
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>>2392100
Both of you are shit and have no idea what you're critiquing. Before you try to help anyone at least get to a basic level.
>inb4 various metaphors of you don't have to be good to critique
You have to know what you're critiquing before you critique it, and clearly neither of you can do that.
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Self-portrait study, criticism needed. Took me 2 hours. I used to doodle a lot in school, but I'm trying to get into drawing seriously.
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>>2391995
the thing is, having alternating masses in the body is what causes a lot of the gesture. But whatever, i'm a troll.
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>>2392185
Your attempts to defend yourself doesn't make you any less wrong or your critique any better.
Stop trying to critique until you stop being a retard.
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>>2392192
bro, youre literally 2 months into art and you want to tell me im wrong.
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>>2392208
Bro, I'm literally 2 months into art and even I can tell you're complete trash.
Nobody here is going to listen to you because you're shit and so are your critiques.
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>>2392213
im roughly 5 times better than you buddy.
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>>2392215
Not at all kid. I'm loving the dunning Krueger though, it's hilarious seeing such a good example in action.
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>>2392220
let me put it another way then, do you by any chance think youre better than me?
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>>2392228
I know I'm better than you, the fact you think you're "5 times better" because you looked at an exercise I did in 10 minutes that I made for an example speaks for itself.
And that fact that in that example drawing, your critique consisted of focusing on 1 anatomical error instead of the trends.
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>>2392233
post your best work then. The anatomical error was a trend. post your best work, ill redline it as well as show you the trend in the post ( but ill only do it for the post if you apologize)
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redraw my "sectoid" what yall think?
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>>2392236
>implying anyone is dumb enough to try and win an argument with their art
>implying anyone wants a critique by you
You really are just an idiot aren't you?
As my last post ever to you, I'll add my fuck off to it. Clearly you're not just a troll, you genuinely believe you're helpful, you really aren't. Your critiques are as bad as your art, and I'm betting I'll being seeing you progress in a cringe thread real soon.
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finished 'new drawing on the right side of the brain' yesterday, one of the first and last exercises were self portraits, 1 month apart +-
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>>2392237

It looks nice, reminds me of disney-stylized characters. But, I've noticed the bottom lip got odd shape, usually they should be somewhat symmetrical. Also look at the chin, the least exposed part of a chin doesn't match the angle of the other. Or it just looks that way. Anyway, good luck.
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>>2392244
also did this
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>>2392158
i know what im doing anon
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>>2392253
and this, both this 2 before even starting the 'drawing on the right side' book

>embarassing
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>>2392241
ive only been drawing for 2 years, so basing myself on my current progress (at 1 hour a day) i should be fine. Funny how you refuse to show your work.

Anyway, ill go OUT OF MY WAY. to help a dumbass like you, just for the sake of others.
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>>2392260
How did you manage to fuck something up that was that bad to begin with?
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>>2392270
LEAVE NOSE BRO ALONE!
HE A GOOD BOY!
HE DIDN'T EVEN DO NUFFIN'!
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>>2391431

So guys, I have been trying to work on the shadows of this character for some time, but I always feel like I'm adding shadows where they shouldn't exist.

Can anyone give me a tip on where to place them? Arrows represent where the light is coming.
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>>2392298

Constructing cast shadows is one of the most difficult aspects of painting from imagination. The best tip I can give you is to download daz3d and light a model in a roughly similar pose for reference.
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>>2391488
>>2391709
Hey it's this anon. Curious as to what you mean by "build out of form" probably a stupid question I know. Can you go into more detail? I understand the comparative measuring. But maybe you could elaborate on that? Thanks!
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>>2392302
Thanks for the advice anon, I already downloaded it.

Now I need to...learn to use this stuff.
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>>2392260
Every time your try to show off it just lowers my opinion of you.
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Still working on them contour lines
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>>2392330
even mikufag can redline better
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What is a good source for expressions ?
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>>2392362
a mirror?
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>>2392260
>just in case anyone actually agreed with me, I'm going to go ahead and prove that I am actually the worst artist on /ic/
I'm kinda enjoying the new shitposters, at least they're entertaining and namefag so we know who not to take seriously.
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How is this still life
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>>2392406
You've got the right idea, but it's at the same time too rough and dirty to truly tell your ability. I think you need to focus some on controlling the pen, as the shapes, especially around the bottleneck, are off.
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>>2392428
Thanks I'll work on that and post an edit!
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>>2392381
>What is a good source for expressions ?
i have no expressions
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>>2392270
>>2392322
>>2392330
>>2392391
>>2392322
>>2392330
>>2392391

either youre same-fagging or the beginners thread is full of really dense people. i just put some line of actions so he could understand the center mass but i guess thats too complex for you guys, so i took a couple minutes on a singular figure for the retarded ones amongst you
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>>2392443
quick-fix before i allow hate to flow.
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>>2392479
post your work buddy.
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>>2392500
so basically you have no reply besides memes? Thats a clever way to disguise you got shredded
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>>2392500
MODS !
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>>2392505
HOLY SHIT YOU ACTUALLY GOT THAT PERSON BANNED? HOW?
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>>2392452
You aren't helping your case, it's hilariously bad.
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>>2392513
>just a child smiling

you sick fuck!
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>>2392517
what exactly is bad?
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>>2392255
Unless your answer is "providing copious amounts of misinformation," then no, you don't.
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>>2392452
>>2392542
>Chickenscratch bullshit
>what the fuck is going on with her crotch?
>legs still broken
>??hand?
>uneven shoulders
>where did her other arm go
All you did correctly was define the hip's connection and add a center of gravity. Not to mention the "quick-fix" was literally only adding those two pointless lines at the bottom that have no relation to the figure.
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>>2392592
sorry im not sure i understand could you redline me real quick?
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>>2392443
>>2392452
I honestly like the original better, yours is filled with all types of shit.
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>>2392244
great job! now go draw boxes.
you got the eye to see details and the dexterity to put them down. the next step is to start learning the forms under faces, the body, etc.. this will probably take much longer than a month, but it will improve your work even further!
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>>2392605
So that you can shit on me regardless of the quality? So that you can continue to fuck up redlines anyways? You wouldn't understand, either way, because you're a fucking train wreck.
If only one hour of your day is spent drawing, I'm pretty sure at LEAST twice that amount of time is spent making shitty, unhelpful redlines and trying to get other people to waste their time listening to you, when you don't know what you're talking about in the first place.

You're not helping anyone. Turn off your computer and go fucking draw.
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first serious piece i've actually tried to make, i think it's ok but it feels like it should have something more.
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>>2392612
>>2392592
>>2392479
can you 3 post your arts just to verify you actually arent samefagging?
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>>2392624
see
>>2392621
and also commit suicide
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>>2392621
i draw on my computer dumbfuck, and i love how youre talking about saying its bad regardless of quality when you mention unevent shoulder when theres a fucking arm raised.
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>>2392623
it seems to me it is generally too '1 tone'

the 'stem' is 1 tone, the fruit is pretty much 1 tone, the background, idk what that is, is 1 tone..i would say its ok but try to play around a little more
(my opinion, i'm just another loser here)
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>>2392632
the background was supposed to be wallpaper but i got lazy with it, i can fix that pretty quickly though. i think i should start following pictures more instead of drawing straight from memory, no?
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>>2392629
>I draw on my computer dumbfuck
Then close /ic/ and go draw.
>uneven shoulder
You placed the neck in the wrong spot, dipshit.
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So tell me, why hasn't this faggot been banned yet? Does /ic/ just not have mods or something? All he does it shitpost and give horrible advice that actually hurts artists.
Other boards people get banned far less.
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>>2392638

do you not own a tablet?
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>>2392634
i would say both, its good to be able to reproduce pictures but it is also great to create from your memory
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>>2392638
but youre right theyre uneven, i accidentally deleted some strokes. didnt realize
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>>2392641
Drivers stopped responding.

>>2392640
It's technically not against the rules. And he'd probably just ban evade.
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>>2392623

You should be using a reference and attempting to accurately render what you've seen. I can tell you have an idea of what you're supposed to be doing, but you need experience rendering real things before you can jump into something imaginary. You cannot draw or paint something you don't have experience drawing and painting accurately. Anyone who draws or paints something accurately from imagination is drawing upon a large well of observational experience due to use of reference.

There are a number of other problems, but I don't think they should be addressed with this picture. Try doing a grayscale painting of an actual cherry (I'm assuming this is a cherry). Draw or paint it as it appears, in the environment it's in. Don't put any imaginary elements in, don't use colour.

Find a picture of a cherry or whatever on google, set it to gray if it isn't, and spend a good long time on it. Measure more than you want to. Don't draw or paint anything differently than it actually appears.
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>>2392647
Ban evading gives mods the right to ban him on sight for his name though.
Plus due to how the rules are made you can get banned for everything. I've been banned from /a/ for critiquing (a genuine critique with advice and a redline) in a drawthread.
I'm sure they could ban this guy for lots of things.
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>>2392662
Maybe he IS the mods.
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>>2392667
Don't say stuff like that anon
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>>2392673
can the mods ban me for 3 days to show im not a mod? A love ban though. A ban of approval.
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>>2392681
c++ obviously.
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>>2392681
Don't joke about it anon, he's too retarded to understand the joke.
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So is ctrl+Paint a decent learning aid?

also, they say to hold the pencil to the side, and draw from the shoulder. But my drawings look like garbage when i do that. What do?
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How is this? First try at value-painting
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>>2392735
Im using it, I think its really good. Drawing from the shoulder is for smoother lines, I dont think people use it for details, you can use your wrist there. Your drawings probably look bad because you have never practices it - neither had I.

There was a video of some guy on youtube with exercises for the shoulder - basically, draw a lot of straight lines, and then try to draw directly on top of them, starting and stopping the same place - all using your shoulder. Also, do a lot of circles. If you do that enough, doing lines or circles without the shoulder will become weird.
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>>2392750

Work on your edges, it's blurry as shit. You want to use a harder brush.
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>>2392750
it would help if you learned how to draw and be able to see the forms and shapes of the values :u
practice: put a layer over the original picture, then draw SIMPLE SHAPES (4 sides max) of a value.

>>2392760
harder brushes won't solve the problem. right now you're guessing or not even recognizing the shapes of color. this will at least force you to see what you should be seeing.

plus, make your values more extreme. I don't see any true black or true white. don't be afraid to use it.
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Does anyone know how to practice perspective? I know about 1/2/3 point perspective and the book in the sticky, but how do I apply it? I never draw perspective lines because I can never plan that far ahead, should I start doing that or what?
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>>2392895
But how do you make value shapes when so much is gradient?
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>pic related
Also, I can only draw okay in certain perspectives and when I do deviate, I end up tweaking and tweaking until it ends up back into one of my comfortable perspectives. Should I go back and read some loomis "fun with pencil" or re read "perspective made easy" and do more of its excercises?
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>>2391452
>>2391482
Keep in mind you should be drawing at an appropriate size. A full detail figure/statue should take up the entire page, a detailed portrait should take up the entire page.
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I'm having trouble sketching out short/chubby girls' lower legs. Any tips?
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>>2393077
at least fucking show us what the fuck you're doing wrong.
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I never honestly took art or drawing seriously, rather I took a casual approach to it, over the years I have noticed great improvement but not much to the point of being a 'good' artiest

Here is some drawing test I found following a link in the sticky... thought I give it a try and see what you guys think
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>>2391431
Here's a question I'm sure you get all the time...

In my efforts to learn how to draw, I realize how little I really know about art.

I'm not picking up those shitty learn manga in 2 weeks books, so I'm wondering if anyone on this thread can tell me how to pickup (or what are) the fundamentals of art.
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>>2393098
go read the sticky and some beginner oriented books that area mentioned there

this video might be helpful as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piKV5nXL-C4
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>>2392799
abstract anon your stuff always reminds me of SCP stuff (scp-wiki.net)
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>>2393096
It's not a test, it's an exercise, and you did it fully and one hundred percent wrong.

Do it again, DO NOT think of the image as a portrait, look at the lines and how they correspond to each other in 2D space, copy those lines. Abstract the figure and only think of lines.

Also do the full thing you bum

In any case there are better exercises to do in Keys to Drawing.
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Just starting here, I bought some pencils and sketchbooks, sat down and getting ready to draw, but I'm already lost.
Should I do those upside-down shape drawing exercises for a few days/weeks, should I read from the Loomis books I downloaded to start? Should I go one drawabox?
I'm really not used to unstructured self-study and I'm not the most persistent of people, but I want to try and stick with this.
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>>2393180
do some gesture study, some form studies, some boxes, some value studies, personal stuff, anything. As long as youre drawing.
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>>2393096
try again
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>>2393190
My problem is, I don't know where to start with that. I mean, I can kinda guess what some mean, but I haven't the foggiest one what "boxes" or "value studies" are.
Unless boxes is literally just cubes, in which case I've got that down.
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>>2393199

Hi

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1108B179C158EA69
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>>2391438
Trying to replicate the colors without using eyedropper,then i used it in bottom left to see the difference, there are lots of blues. I know form is wrong but i was just trying to figure out the colors.
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>>2393201

In addition https://www.youtube.com/user/moatddtutorials/search?query=10+minute
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>>2393210
block in.
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>>2393215
yeah, but how can i block in if there's so much color variation?
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>>2393210

Good practice. You're being too timid and as a result, muddy. The browns and blues are way more saturated in the ref.
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>>2393201
>>2393211
Thanks for these, so do I just, practice the drawing techniques rather than actually drawing anything at this stage?
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>>2392298
Hi Fenek.
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>>2393162
why?
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pic related 3 layer is all you need anons
>>2391808
>>2392750
I always do 1 color and use (color burn and multiply) this is my easiest when im coloring.
file related https://www.dropbox.com/s/ov7i7fpprhdkro1/C%2B%2B.zip?dl=0
>>2393210
did you report that anon?
>>2392505
i dont like leading the beginner thread
>>2392681
>>2392683
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>>2393255

Practice until you see some minor improvement and then apply.

For example, you become better at drawing cubes and cylinders, so use those to create figures/ vehicles/whatever.
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>>2393337
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>>2392298
try this.
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My only motivation to draw is my desire to create cute girls.
How far do I have to go before I make it?
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>>2393359
Not that guy, but this is very skillfully done! Do you have a tumblr or blog, please?
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>>2393389
1 year if you're dedicated. Otherwise 2-3 years of regular drawing.
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I don't know what the fuck I'm doing, but something inside tells me to ask for CRITIQUE.
I've been following the exercises on Keys to Drawing, but my inner pervert just wants to draw asses.
http://i.imgur.com/hi0sist.png

A few questions.

Is my construction in the second image passable?

How bad is it to actually use chicken scratch lines like in the right-most drawing? I feel comfortable doing this...
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>>2393475
Getting good in art is about going out of your comfort zone so get that down.
As for your sketches, you need to study proportion and the five basic shapes.
Then move on to light and shadow.
Draw from life and go to drawabox.
Do all of the exercises and homework on the website.
Start with lesson 1 and follow the instructions.
Do not skip a single step.
Work hard.
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>>2393475
youre drawing sausage people, try to obtain form by creating your figures out of simple shapes as opposed to using superposition of features. You have the same problem as the other anon i fought with higher as in your figures get stiffened by having a bad concept of mass in the low legs. Look at prokos gesture tutorials
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>>2393475
>Is my construction in the second image passable?

If you want to draw marshmallow man porn. Probably.

Don't chicken scratch. It shows your lack of confidence. Get out off your comfort zone if you want to achieve something.
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After getting the basics of drawing techniques down what should I do?
I'm aiming to draw people, and have the Loomis books, is that a good place to start?
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>>2393496
The most important thing you'll get out of Loomis is a basic sense of proportion and structure imo, if you go for Loomis' Figure Drawing, you need to seek out gesture on your own to balance yourself. Vilppu and Hampton are the big names to look for in that regard.
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>>2392025
why do you even have guidelines if you dont use them kunt
dont know how you even managed to make it look cute/render it
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>>2393499
Guy was probably just mindlessly following that Loish tut.
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>>2393498
Great, thanks, I'll look into them.
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Head constuction, man. Kid looks fucking weird.
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>>2393524
i like top right and bottom middle for what they are.
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>>2393359
Not OR, but great work dude. Which brushes do you used?
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How do I shake off my fucking Dunning Kruger? I can't stand being overconfident and I know on some level that I'm wrong.
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First actual thing I drew with my first actual tablet

Probably the most fun I've had drawing something
Something oddly therapeutic in just cleaning up lines and scratching shit out
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>>2393621
Is it a tradition of some sort for these shitty first-tablet-drawing posts to always be helms?
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Rushed as fuck, need to be at work soon.
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>>2393635
what are you trying to accomplish, anon? looks like a girl face with the body of a pubescent boy. how do you want us to help?
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https://www.3d.sk/

i think people should know about this site for studying eyes, noses, lips etc
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>>2393688
Pretty cool but ain't paying for that shit right now, I need to buy more sketchbooks and pencils , maybe in the future though since it's got lot of nice pics
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>>2393960
good, i would go practice drawing ellipses more. notice how the cylinders don't have parallel flat sides. the same problem is happening on the mouse too. you could also work on this by drawing boxes- where the parallel sides are much more obvious. you'll be able to see it and work on it more.
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this was my today exercise
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>>2393359
OR here, thanks dude, this will help a lot.
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Quick question
What paper is best to practice on?
Regular printer paper?
or is it okay to work on sketchbook paper?
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>>2393991
be more confident in your lines. go wander around and learn the form. your next steps should be learning anatomy and how to express them in simple boxes/cylinders.
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>>2393359
Nice, as the other anon said >>2392302 constructing cast shadows is hard as hell for begginers. Would you mind posting your reasoning behind it?
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Draw in a box, better than sticky?

I feel like it lays out a cohesive path to at least being decent, whereas the sticky goes "here read these books", and each book says different things, to a point where I as a beginner interpret them as being contradictory
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>>2394265
>or is it okay to work on

It's okay to work on anything. Don't be worried about wasting paper. Sketchbooks are for working, and SKETCHING
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How do I improve on my gesture? Where is the secret of this technique? I feel it is wrong but I don't know where to see
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>>2394420

Use less lines and be less scribbly. Try to be a little more deliberate with your lines. Watch the proko videos on gesture on youtube. He doesn't spazz out on a 30 second pose, rather he takes his time to actually take a good look at the model before he places a few well thoughtout lines. I actually learnt a lot by copying his 30 second gestures line for line. I paused the video when I had to. Then I drew along with Proko. Several dozen attempts at the same pose.
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>>2394436
Thanks, will try. I watched hampton and he scribbled something like this but his were obviously better
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>>2394444

Yeah there are many ways to do gesture. I think proko's approach with less lines might help you for now though. It really helped me a lot anyway.
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>>2392443
>center of mass
These are 2d pictures there is no center of mass
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>>2394524
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>>2393317
your stuff has this surreal feel to it and its always pretty unique. SCP stuff is weird/creepy as fuck and a lot of it is really original ideas (NBA game recording that alters itself every time it is played, a monster that deletes information about itself, etc)

>>2393340
super useful thanks
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>>2394524
OP was trying to depict 3d forms (AKA volume) through a 2d medium. Center of mass still applies here.
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managed to draw a decent eye in between perspective sketches. what do i need to improve on
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Is it normal for your hand to hurt after sketching for an hour? I'm afraid I might be doing something bad to my hand. It's kind of a stiff pain from my ring finger down to my wrist.
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>>2394771
Definitely not normal. It's hard to say what exactly you're doing wrong without seeing you drawing, but there's probably some unnecessary tension somewhere in your hand. Try to relax.
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>>2394771
go to the doctor anon
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>>2394770
>Decent eye
>is drawing in symbols

Read the sticky, faggot
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>>2391431
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>>2394789
im not sure if this is bait.
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>>2394789
i cry erytiem
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I don't know if this beginner oder advance stuff. But can you tell me how to get that crisp contour like in the image from mrjack? I'm currently using a hard brush with 25% flow.
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besides my persoective and details are ass. how do you get the look of a dark brown glass bottle? i can't figure out how to at least make it look like glass and i have 4 more to draw for my class over the next week. Any advice?
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I have a problem with drawing boxes in a perspective. I know its the most basic thing so I want to get over it asap, do you have any tips?
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Yeah, quick symbol drawing shit. But is my construction/setup at least somewhat right?
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>>2394968
ill help you if you resize and apologize.
>>2394958
those boxes are good?
>>2394914
dont take pictures at an angle. build out of forms.
>>2394868
its fine you can leave beginner thread if thats yours
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>>2394988
Sorry for confusion, those are not mine, they are from drawabox lessons and I want to achieve something like that. Are there any tips for it or i have to get good magically?
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>>2394993
>Are there any tips for it or i have to get good magically?
No, but what specifically are you not getting. Explain boxes in perspective in words to yourself and that should be enough to understand, the rest is accurate guessing and good strokes. Which part are you unable to do?

if its just about the boxes and not about the learning you could always cheat and put the perspective points and get them perfectly.
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>>2394995
>if its just about the boxes and not about the learning you could always cheat and put the perspective points and get them perfectly.

Thats kinda the issue, I dont want to cheat with perspective points but at the same time i want to get them right as soon as possible. I dont want to rush it, I just want to understand it in quick span of time
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>>2395000
Lets say I want to draw a box here, it has to be straight to the viewer's eyes and I cant quite understand how should it be done.
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>>2395000
why are perspective points cheating?
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>>2395004
because the goal is to understand without having to get out your ruler 224 times per drawing.
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So when I draw proportions for a human head, I first draw a circle and then I chop off the sides of the head equal to 2/3 the height of the circle. I'm sure this is common practice for everyone. However, what much do I cut out length-wise?
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>>2394988
Eye is mine, left image is what i would like to get/imitate.
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>>2394988
What am I apologizing for?
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>>2395022
Determine the top of the head and the chin with two lines. halfway point is the eye line. Slightly above the eye line is the brow. half way between brow and chin is bottom of nose. Half way between bottom of nose and chin is bottom of bottom lip. Ears are between brow line and bottom of nose line. Width of head is equal to the distance between the top of the head and the bottom of the nose. There is one eye width of space between the eyes. The width of the head is 4-5 eyes.
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>>2395017
you don't need to be strict and use a ruler for everything. setting a horizon and points is enough. there's something to be said for working smarter, not harder. if it helps you to understand, use it. fumbling around hoping to nail it is a waste of time.
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>>2394968
Face is too long so is the distance between her nose and mouth. Eyes and ears are tilt although the head is pretty much straight up.
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>>2395042

too long vertically? Yeah, same goes for the nose/mouth issue I havent focused on drawing ears correctly either so i def gotta work on that.

My main issue is, the jaw is cockeyed always, no matter what I do. How can I fix that? The more I try to fix it, the worse it gets. My angled lines can never mirror correctly.
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I'm losing faith in my ability to improve. I tried doing this in 30 minutes and began to feel stressed, disappointed and uninterested by the end.
These last exercises in Keys to Drawing have been brutal. I'm supposed to be drawing free-hand to control hand in combination for this exercise.

Is my grip off? Why am I unable to properly scale what I'm seeing?
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>>2395094
why are you trying to be an artist if you dont like drawing?
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>>2395095
I'm frustrated a bit right now, sorry for my pessimism.
I want to eventually achieve the ability to draw beautiful girls and make cool looking sceneries like in those PC98 games.
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>>2395027
posting something that made my calculator crash. Make me scroll twice and giving me arthritis. Not reading the opening post before posting. Many things.
>>2395095
a lot of us dont like drawing, me included.
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>>2395105
>nose doesn't like drawing
that explains a lot
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>>2395134
I used to like drawing, Anyone have the feeling.

Like you can remember the mental pathways used when you were bad at drawing and enjoying it. Ive never felt that way about anything else.

Thank god i dont draw though, gives me more time to write the sticky and wack off.
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My drawings for the day. Pose reference from some screenshots of Cross Game.
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stuff i've done today. trying to get a firmer grip on anatomy/bodies and line confidence (folds on drapes) critique please

refs from
http://www.boredpanda.com/athlete-body-types-comparison-howard-schatz/ and reference thread on /ic/.


>>2395244
you got folds in clothing and anatomy pretty well done. pose on left drawing is a bit stiff though due to right shoulder being a bit too far at viewer's left and arm being completely straight. otherwise nice
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>>2395142
nose bro i want to finger you,
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>>2395247
How much?
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>>2395244
nice

>>2395245
nice

>>2395094
symbol drawing, see pic >>2391434

>>2394825
you still got symbol drawing, but less severe
work a bit on your lines

>>2394420
what this guy said>>2394765
also, try to observe more than you draw
work on your observational skills
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>>2395370
some of the latest drawings in my sketchbook
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>>2395373
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>>2395370
>>2395373
>>2395374
The first thing you can really do to improve is to work on your lines.
When you outline forms like in the second drawing picture, everything looks hairy.
When you shade and try to make your mid tones, your lines are a mess and don't follow any contour and look like scribbles (because they are).

I'm pretty sure thats pen, but if the ink is making it difficult for you to put down a light or mid tone, just go back to a pencil. From there work on you forms since all of them look flat, and then after you have your basics down, you can look at your proportions on the figure.


hopefully that wasn't too hard to follow and isn't your average shitty crit from here.
K
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i cant get the foreshortening on her left leg right for fucking anything. can some check the general anatomy and redline how that leg should be? cant fix my line quality, im drawing in a car
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>>2395374
I spy Lana.

They all look like Monkeys lol...That area between the nose and mouth imo is too long.
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here's some pages of my sketchbook
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>>2395441
>draw slow anon ...
>you draw too fast ...
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>>2395439
heh the head is retarded. that was just a place holder, ill do a proper loomis construction when the figure is down right. i feel i should explain because your red line changed the pose to something i didn't want it to. her hips are supposed to be flat, not tilted like in your redline. from there her right leg, the furthest and 'top' leg is simply supposed to be bent. her left leg, the 'bottom' leg, is supposed to be bent but laying to the side with knee pointing at the viewer.

but yes i agree i need to study all those. does figure from imagination have a stupid high learning curve or something? it feels like im starting at the beginning again.
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>>2395002
MY MONEY'S ON THAT FUCKING BOX!!!
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>>2395448
>head is retarded
i did not focus on the detailed ..i was focus on the construction of the body;
>changed the pose
don't sense gravity and the bone and anathomy construction on your work
>her hips are supposed to be flat
too much gravity
>not tilted like in your redline
>the furthest and 'top' leg is simply supposed to be bent.
your right . sorry for that ...
> it feels like im starting at the beginning again.
yes .. yes you do..and don't worry too much you got this..
>does figure from imagination have a stupid high learning curve or something?
Nose Bro ¢π can explain please to anon..
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>>2395459
well what i meant about the hip tilt was shes sitting with a slight lean back. both ass cheeks are flat on the ground. the redline has it so that the right side of the tip is turned up. i understand that there's perspective that needs to be applied depending on the viewing angle but its that leg im having trouble with

and im not sure what you guys mean by gravity. ive never heard of gravity being applied to overall figures, just boobs, on this board
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>>2395463
> but its that leg im having trouble with
body construction
> not sure what you guys mean by gravity.
this is my Criticism...
>ive never heard of gravity being applied to overall figures
#volume and mass ring a bell? yes or no?
#you that the human body and every life has inside water right ?
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>>2395467
>body construction
but how do i construct the foreshortened leg?

>this is my Criticism...
but i dont understand it. its just a not well done figure outline

>#volume and mass ring a bell? yes or no?
i read those once
>#you that the human body and every life has inside water right ?
only 70%
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how is it? did a figure drawing
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>>2395505
> how do i construct the foreshortened leg?
pic related
>but i dont understand it. its just a not well done figure outline
practice anon ..
>i read those once
>only 70%
you good...
.............................
sorry i was lazy to teach you the construction ... wish the the picture help .
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>>2395527
redraw this without chicken scratches and i will say whats wrong.
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i posted this in the draw thread but got rekt so i worked some more on the stuff they said was shit and here it is now.
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>>2395531
Clouds don't look like that, here some tip for you
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>>2395538
fuck thats ones of the things i had to fix. if i change those am i good
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>>2395531
Criticism?
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>>2395546
criticism p- pls
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>>2395531
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W7MhKqfvVg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO_B4Au1GuE
you need to practice some more
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>>2395530
i clean it abit
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>>2395551
so im basically lacking in details. otherwise my composition, colors, perspective, forms (besides the details) are okay? as for the island, its supposed to be so far away that you cant make out on anything on but still obviously completely covered in trees and shit.
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>>2395531
Second mountain should blend in more with the background, more bluish, to create an illusion of distance.
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>>2395558
>for the island, its supposed to be so far away
make the island smaller pic related
> but still obviously completely covered in trees and shit.
it's a beach fix it.... grass don't grow on sand you know
http://wallpapercave.com/beach-background-pictures
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How do people straight up just draw shit?

I started learning to draw 2 days ago, and I'm using construction lines. But I see people just draw without any sort of planning on paper. Is that some prodigy shit or nah?
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>>2395577
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>>2395577
After a while you can just feel out a person without to much effort but it takes a few years
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>>2395577
Just focus on learning how to draw it correctly for now. Freehanding won't get you anywhere yet.
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>>2395575
>>for the island, its supposed to be so far away
bad choice of words on my part i meant far enough away that you cant make out individual objects, similar to >>2395566 (great tip btw) and i do sorta like the smaller island, not so small as your pic but a bit smaller

>it's a beach fix it.... grass don't grow on sand you know
i raise you a beach grass but youre right grass doesnt grow that close to beach at all.

i think i may extend the canvas to the right and push the plants further to the right so its more believable

thanks for the tips everyone
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>>2395577
>Is that some prodigy shit or nah?
No, it's a trained skill, it's what you get after years of practice.
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>>2395575
What are you trying to do with those lines?

>>2395577
>But I see people just draw without any sort of planning on paper

They are still constructing the drawing, but with their mind's eye rather than drawing the construction lines.
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>>2395434
feelin' that brushpen m8
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>>2395610
kinda hard to control at first :)
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>>2395556
His left knee is too near, legs are separate in middle. Folds don't look like simply strokes, face is off and completely out off perspective. Down part of torso doesn't work with upper, and his left arm is completely fucked up.
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Am I showing improvement?

1-16 vs 2-11
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>>2395728
it looks good, but you have to look at the proportions of the facial bones. the first one doesn't have a chin and that's way better on the right one. Still you have to take care of the jawbone ;-)
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>>2395733
ty for the advice and critique senpai
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>>2393960
Tried op's study
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>>2395017
>>2395000
>>2395577
perspective points, like construction, are basically for when you're working with bizzare, complex perspective or you're a beginner who hasn't really internalized yet how things should look at various distances and angles (like me)

someone who is a really good draftsman and who is already intimately familiar with the human body can get away with not using complex, loomis-esque construction lines. same with perspective points. if you're already really good at breaking things down into simple solids and placing the in perspective, perspective points become less necessary in most cases

>>2395025
left is yours? use a harder brush and slightly greater contrast. areas that are supposed to be smoothly blended should be even more so, so the viewer has an easier time telling hard edges from smooth ones. in the goldfish, smooth parts are blended real well so the hard edges stand out more

>>2395658
i like the use of shadow, especially on the skull
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>>2395733
>it looks good
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>>2395823
>being a nigger instead of giving advice in a beginner thread
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>>2395842
Well first of all it does not look good, left is horrbile, right is slightly less horrible.
Study construction of the head and stop symbol drawing learn the basick shape of the head then learn the basic shapes of the facial features
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>>2395758
proportions are off and there is a lot of symbol drawing. And pls dont mix graphite and ink
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>>2395854
I just wanted to say something nice and give advice. that's common sense
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>>2395658
get the fuck out of beg thread faggot
>>2395546
i have no landscape experience lel
>>2395437
>>2395436
i like these for what they are, especially the shoe.
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>>2395854
Alright atleast I am improving, thanks for the tips.
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>>2395905
New thread
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>>2395094
I'm currently on this exercise in Keys, can anyone recommend an alternative to drawing flowers? I don't keep flowers and I don't want to buy any
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How is this?
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My first attempt at anatomy. I feel that my shapes still aren't defined enough, any tips?
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>>2396354
It's sideways and overly big.
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>>2396371
Yeah, stop tracing, especially if you're tracing with brush paint, not lines/landmarks/contours

It doesn't look good, it's obvious you traced, and you wont learn shit
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>>2396738

Lol wtf I didn't trace that...
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>>2392613
Thanks mate, I am going through Fun with a pencil by Loomis, practicing faces and expressions alot.
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>>2394771
How are you holding your pencil?

That's one of the more important things to look at when you're drawing.
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I've never really done any art besides when I was really little, but I've always liked Pennsylvania Dutch art and I want to try my hand at it. I found some books on the style but wanted to know if anyone knows of any online references.
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