>You drew everyday for a long time, longer than anyone else. Congratulations. You are the best
>Update every day at: http://www.lavaflake.com/draw/
>The deadline for submissions is 23:59:59 GMT each day
>You should spend at least 30 minutes on each update
>Miss a day and you can make up for it the next day with a double post.
>Miss another day within a month and you're eliminated.
>Progress updates are ok but they will be policed like other submissions
Entry into the fourth challenge is open until Friday at 23:59:59 GMT. People who join after then will be entered into the less awesome Last Artist Standing #5
so how many of you are pulling out old works not to get eliminated? be honest.
Anything, as long as it looks like you spent at least 30 minutes working on it, you can submit WIPs for several days as long as each installment looks like you spent an additional 30 minutes on them
>Be cleaning hard drive
>Find 2 gbs full of childhood photos
Seems like it's time for a feels trip
(I originally posted this over the Animenative Art/Stylization General but since I like you LAS people I thought I'd also post this here).
I suck at drawing eyes (I don't mean realistic ones - those I can since it's just a matter of copying real life). Girl eyes specifically (I don't care about dudes). I'm fine with drawing pretty much anything but this. I can visualize what I want to do but applying it just doesn't work. It's like I can't manage to find my own "style" (yeah I know muh style), or in other words I can't find what'd feel right to me. I could probably copy eyes from whatever manga or anime or someone else's style but it'd just feel too wrong to do this.
I would like to gather different opinions from you guys - how did you get good at drawings eyes? What made it all click for you? Does anyone happen to have resources or hacks to draw eyes? Did you just copy eyes you found were cool from your favorite artists and with time slowly altered them until you were satisfied or something? Any tips/advice?
I'll check back until the thread dies, I appreciate any reply. Thanks for reading.
just experiment a lot, draw one eye, then draw another one with a different shape, then another one, etc... after a bunch of them, take whatever you like from them and combine them into another eye. Take inspiration from artists you like, don't straight up copy from them, but take whatever you like about how they draw eyes, the shape, the iris, the eyelashes, whatever. Also it's good to understand how eyes work in real life, how light reflects from them, how they look from different perspectives, etc. Take this with a grain of salt though, because I've never sat down to create my own style, but if I had to, this is how I would go about it. But I also believe that "manufactured" style tends to be pretty hit and miss, you may spend a ton of hours experimenting with stuff, and when you finally have something you feel is cool looking, other people may not like it so much. Take Sycra's "pointy" style for example, he has spent a lot of time developing it, but in the end I think it doesn't look that great (personal taste), it feels too artificial.
You know who I fucking hate?
The nerdy cunt on the front of the Strathmore Sketchbook. Every fucking time I want to draw something in my sketchbook I have to see this asshole and his awesome art room and I'm reminded of how fucking shit I am in comparison. You'll look at it initially and think "oh boy, I'm getting excited about the POSSIBILITIES" but no, you open it and your shaky ass hands draw ellipses with parkinsons-tier line quality.
Fuck this guy.
May I suggest something?
I'll admit it I only look at the submissions posted before mine (it's always around 50) when I upload my daily drawing. After that I usually go to bed and by the time I wake up it's already the new day, so in the end I'm only able to see half of the submissions.
I'd like it if there was a "see yesterday's submissions" table with everything uploaded the day before, especially since I don't follow anyone; not that I hate you guys but deep in my heart I'm rooting for everyone of you so it's only fair if I get to see all of your wonderful submissions. Also on a side note it would probably help catching the people eventually cheating more easily.
you mean something like this?
There's not that many! And I don't just look at them I like REALLY look at them because there are so many people at the same level but they all do things slightly different. I wish there were fewer people so I could better learn each person's style at a glance. Rover, Loomis, Saucy, Stella, NaturalisIII and jmgn are the only ones I recognize immediately
>What happens if you get sick?
2 days before the site went live I got the flu so I spent the first week of the challenge dying while trying to develop the site and not get eliminated. The site is automated enough so that every day people will be eliminated and every week a new challenge will start. If I die then the site will keep going until the hosting expires
On the update I'm working on it'll keep track of how many new submissions there have been since you last visited the submission page. There's no way to check if you've actually checked the submission but it's better than nothing.
By the way you can view previous submission in the archive by clicking the blue arrows at the top and bottom of the submissions page (pic related)
>Rover, Loomis, Saucy, Stella, NaturalisIII and jmgn
Nile was on that list too but he got eliminated and I should add Anon313, Helio and Humanbean (seriously dude check out Scott Robertson's book)
Nah it's not bad, they're consistent and distinct. Probably 2/3s of submitters I recognize but I just can't put a name to the art. Like there's this one guy that does really cool dynamic poses but their anatomy is weird and there's another guy that draws cute anime girls but he's inconsistent
Alright I'm going to do my best to have the update ready before the next challenge starts. I'll have to cut back on the art a little but I'll still get a couple hours in each day. Time to get to work
You'll know and fear my name soon Lava you fuck. I'm gonna be your favourite.
Am I the only one that's getting
>The day has ended. Refreshing in 30 seconds.
I'm really scared, guys. Usually I post in mornings but a normie came over and took me out of neetmode and I'm out of town.
shitty comic update. i reworked the images i posted yesterday and added a little bit more text.
planned on making it longer but its time consuming...
tell me what u think anons
Holy shit I just checked the timestamps and Loli has been the last person to post 6 times, second last 3 times and third last 3 times. Some of those times with only a couple seconds to spare. If Rover is the leader of team forza then I think we found the captain of the 23:30 club
>want to post a page full of circles.
>don't want to be put on tribunal.
I world full of trannies. One anon is trying to prove to himself that he is not gay.....Will he make it???
the post only lasts on the front page for half a day before we hit the bump limit then it's 2-4 days in the catalog. that's not too bad and it's a lot better than when we were making a new post every time we hit the bump limit. we had 6 posts up at once
Have you seen this post on floobynooby?
It's got a bunch of great references for scene setups in case you run out of ideas or if you're struggling with a panel. Ever since the Steve Huston videos were pulled from the NMA youtube channel I've been making copies of things I like so if you want a pdf version here you go
ive been through Loomis books,betty edwards books and gorge bridgmans books. Now im on Scott robertsons and im still garbage
Anyone else feeling gains already?
Not so much skill wise for me yet but I painted more last month than I did in all last year. And more than that, while the first few days were like hopping around on different studies and sketches and feeling nervous and switching whenever stuff wasn't working, now I just choose something and stick with it, knowing that I'll be able to work through the bad parts until I'm happy enough to post it.
It feels good man, feels really really good. Not to mention makes me want to art more and more, even when I have a bad day I just can't wait to get started on tomorrow's better submission.
Yeah, I've been drawing a ton more than I used to. I used to make a finished piece maybe once every couple of months. Now it's becoming much less daunting, since by forcing myself I've realized that it's not actually that hard. I always sketched a lot but for some reason I felt like there was a barrier between that and finishing it. And last semester, I almost didn't draw at all because I felt that I was too busy. Now I'm forcing at least 30 minutes into my schedule every day, and spending several hours drawing on the weekends. It's great, and I don't really like this word but it's empowering. I'm so glad I happened to come to /ic/ when this was getting planned, I needed this external push to my motivation.
It's one of the best available especially for humanbean who's drawing all those cars. It's the perfect fit for him
>mfw it's 2011 and I now have a second chance not to catastrophically fuck up the last 5 years
It's a difference between "I want to be able to draw well" and "I want to practice drawing". I had the former mindset for years and would burn out after a week because I suck. I had an epiphany a year ago, switched my mindset to the latter, and have been making reasonable progress since.
thats true, but people don't only use pencils for the ability to erase mistakes. you can use an eraser as a tool to draw with by flooding the paper with a value using graphite powder and pull shapes out with an eraser.
git on my level fgt
>tfw phone's face recognition recognizes the faces you've drawn
that's an impressive collection of books that you never learned anything from there anon
>art folder full of pirated stuff created in 2013
>still not God tier yet
I fucked up this time.
>drawing in my sketchbook
>forgot about the time
>looked at the clock and it was 23:55
>no scanner, so have to take a picture with the phone
>the phone is dead
>takes a fucking eternity to load, about 2 minutes in real time
>finally take a picture and crop it
>imgur resists to cooperate
>pic almost done uploading...
what I'm trying to say is fuck the 23:30 club, shit's too dangerous. The drawing for today wasn't that good anyways..
I really struggle with the top half of the body. If you look through my tumblr you'll see that the last 2 weeks have been studies of the lower half and I started with the bottom because the top half is so intimidating. It doesn't look like much but what I posted took me 45 minutes if you include the half dozen that were garbage and I erased.
Also today was the first time since I started this thing that I put pencil to paper and did nondigital art. I filled out 7 pages in my sketchbook so I don't feel too bad about not posting a lot.
I lied I still feel bad
are you though? are you doing that already? without fail? putting effort into it every day?
you are? oh, good for you! this is for the less self-motivated fucks who need some outside acknowledgement and/or motivation beyond "git gud"... and for anyone else who wants the equivalent of a "you tried" sticker.
If some of us were to offer you constructive criticism, would you be interested and where would you like it posted? You've done a lot for us lava you aught to at least get something back
His time will come when the Inquisition gets implemented
Yep you can join anytime
It's not unreasonable to say he spent 3 hours on that, right? That's 6 days of posts right there. I do feel like he's milking that drawing but as long as he's making progress I don't feel like I should intervene. When the tribunal is in place you guys can determine if he should receive a low effort warning
I generally don't ask for help or for critiques unless I'm "stuck," if you know what I mean. If I'm making the same mistake every day then yeah shit all over me I don't mind at all. Like I was called out for my forearms and hips and the people who did it were 100% right about it but at the same time I hadn't studied those parts of the body yet.
I don't want to come off as one of those guys who receive criticism and say "NO I KNOW TRUST ME I KNOW" because if you know then why are you making the same mistakes over and over, right? In my case it's because I haven't studied it yet. It's probably better to keep it out of the thread so if you do want to talk shit and be wrong about my perfect art dm me on twitter, send me a message on tumblr or send an email to the address in the faq
After you are eliminated you wil pay for hosting,
> apartment internet inexplicably shuts off from 23:30 - 00:30
> this probably would've fucked over a lesser man
Good thing I make a habit of submitting early.
Yeah I agree. The only downside is that if you have people randomly posting critiques there's no way to know if the person will see them, especially if the post is buried on page 8 or something. Like I saw two or three people tell humanbean to check out scott robertson's book
I'd rather encourage people to request critiques but there's nothing wrong with random ones either. I mentioned people sending critiques outside the thread for me because running the site means extra attention and i'd rather keep that out of the LAS threads. That's why I rarely use the tripcode unless I need to
Right now there's no way to show that but it'll be possible after the update because of changes in how everything's tracked. I can add it on to the active challenges page along with active participants, tokens used, etc
It'd be the blind leading the blind if I tried to red line your submissions
quints wasted on questioning the leader of team forza
>When the tribunal is in place you guys can determine if he should receive a low effort warning
Is this going to be some survivor shit in where one smart guy slowly manipulates others to get rid of the competition through the voting system? Seems a bit scary the way you worded it.
Nah I'm not worried. It'll require an overwhelming majority vote and the only people who can vote are the ones who've submitted for at least 7 days in a row and are participating in a challenge
How exactly will it work? One guy flags a user for low effort and then they go up for voting on the tribunal page? Will the voting end when a certain period of time has passed, or when a certain number of votes have accrued?
>It'll require an overwhelming majority vote
That's a relief. Seems pretty solid then. I just fear a little for the anon's who aren't that good yet and they, say spend 30 minutes on something small but they really put lot of thought into their line placement. I know other newfriends to drawing might see that as low effort and I do want to see newfriends improve from this.
Yeah that question about "but I'm not very good what if people flag my shitty posts as low effort?" gets asked a lot and I dunno, I think people are pretty good at determining who's being lazy and who's bad. Either way in the beginning reported post will be reviewed before being sent off with the tribunal (same with the tribunal votes) and once there's a good sample size thresholds will be set and then it can be automated
>draw for 30 minutes
>keep submitting forever
Even then, do you think people would vote someone out for the sake of getting another guy out of the contest? When you give some power to people, they tend to abuse it, if not way later down the line when they get desperate.
This. Also, lava will be able to tell who votes and will probably ultimately have the final say in the matter, I assume. If someone in the contest who's clearly good enough to see if someone is putting in the effort or not votes a person out when the person obviously put in the work, then he's going to make himself look like an asshole.
Literally spent 5 hours drawing lines, s c curves, and ellipses. when do start getting good?
I lost my token. I won't survive 30 days without it.
>tfw this is your 3rd failure to submit, and every time has been on a day you drew early on the day
Fuck everything! I'm so angry!
Can we get challenges when we can earn an extra token? I just wanted to make it to a month! I'll never do lava any justice
What is the artistic equivalent to steroids?
I can already see the final days of LAS, just drawing everyday was never enough. People wont drop out because they couldn't manage, it'll all be the tribunal. It's not even a question of if you should vote someone out, it's a question of who. Alliances will form, the 23:30s and forza will both try and win over the freemen to get the majority vote. There will be backstabbing and betrayal, vote selling and teaming up to get rid of people regardless of their submission quality.
20 years later the last few wont be able to trust each other because of all the bloodshed, it will be a stalemate of circular voting and scheming that will bleed into the real lives of what will then be the most successful artists in the world. Standing at the top of the art industry with legions of skeletons in their closets.
I'd like if other people liked the idea, I'm not taking about being able to farm tokens but maybe to at least earn one or two extra could be cool
I'm shit at remembering to upload things before midnight so I know I'll never make our to a full month, it's probably not a valid excuse but I have a learning disability which means numbers change around in front of my eyes and in my head; 12pm becomes 1.20pm etc or even 12th (date).
I need to stick up posters saying ROVER in every room because when I set an alarm it means nothing.
I don't know about extra tokens, but I proposed a "preserved token" achievement that's displayed on your user page.
You get a preserved token every month you don't use your token (time doesn't count if you've lost it). They are useless outside of being an arbitrary number indicating your dick size. Or, maybe you can trade them in to Lavaflake for sexual favors.
Alternatively, we could have a token achievement, where your month's token BECOMES the trophy. Like, "FEBRUARY 2016 TOKEN". It's like stamp collecting.
>>I need to stick up posters saying ROVER in every room because when I set an alarm it means nothing.
That's a really nice idea, but definitely hard mode. It could be fun if a submission that made lava laugh was cropped into those tokens or something, but I'd jealously refer to them as neet medals and never have one .
What I want is a way to earn back my lost token, two slip ups each month doesn't mean someone is undedicated, I'll draw all the dragon dicks you want 28 days a month!
It's not that we won't vote people out, it's that one person won't be able to just go around false-flagging people trying to get them eliminated for no reason. If anyone will be eliminated for low effort, it'll be a community decision.
>tfw everyone is slowly improving except me
>tfw people will slowly stop posting when they go pro
>I'll be the last artist standing because everyone will get good enough to leave
>tfw I'll always be shit
I'm legitimately considering drawing Sonic characters and uploading that as my las submission instead of the thing I've spent a full day working on because I feel I would be less embarrassed. Where did it all go so wrong?
If beginners become afraid to show their flaws, other beginners will be less likely to post their own work. Come on, do it for your compatriots.
You still did some extra sketches that you wouldn't have, even if they're shit. You drew more, that's the purpose.
The only real flaw is when people are just posting old stuff but since it's just wasting their own time without upping their gains and there's no real prize, it's not much of a problem.
Don't be embarrassed! Rover is fucking terrible but still managed to build a large loyal fanbase.
Yeah, one more step. I feel like I'm making so much progress. I'm going to bed, maybe it'll be better in the morning.
Just told someone about LAS because it was on topic and I'm an idiot, completely forgot it's full of nsfw sonic and dragon assholes, now I have to track them down and somehow warn them in advance
>friend dropped his wacom pen 3' and it broke
>be poorfag and can't afford a new pen
>mfw drop my pen and it falls 2 inches to the top of my desk and i have a mini panic attack
Are we still doing critique in these threads?
I'm suffering, I don't know how to continue from here.
Kek, I mentioned it to someone the other day and avoided saying the actual name of the place. I did have to mention /ic/, but thankfully they didn't get all upset about 4chan.
Man, this post makes me sound like a huge normie. I promise I don't typically do this sort of thing.
You need to consider the skeleton, especially in the legs. In real birds they often look like little sticks jutting out, but that's because the rest of the leg is within the body. So the leg will be coming out at an angle, because there's a bend in the ankle right around the belly. Sometimes you'll see the joint and sometimes you won't, depends on how plump the bird is and the pose it's in. And your feathers curve, but they should be pretty rigid. Even the little body-covering ones are more like soft scales than locks of fur. Your wing looks like sheets of cloth, but the long primary feathers jut our rigidly, usually in line with the tail. The eye should be rounder. And the breast looks a bit low. Look at photos of perched birds, and diagrams of skeletons and wings, it'll help a lot.
And I know the tree is unfinished, but some pointers on that too: top off any nubs with buds if there's no leaves. And trees will have either opposite or alternate twig arrangement (look it up), but you have one set of opposite twigs here and higher up is one lone twig as if it's alternate. Just a nitpick but I'm a botanyfag and couldn't let it go.
Just finished watching Guilty Crown, Jesus, the asspulls where horrible
thanks a ton, ill try to finish this tomorrow when I have the time.
I totally get it, I usually avoid anyone that openly talk about 4chan or use memes in person so I was very embarrassed to find myself accidentally talking about /ic/ to someone I'd just met.
Becoming what I hate.
it's not like you were asking them if they had any rare pepes or something jesus. it takes like 3 seconds to explain that 4chan isn't as bad as its worst boards. that's like saying reddit is a home for pedophiles or tumblr is a hive of social justice
>not being a No-Peek Purist
>it takes like 3 seconds to explain that 4chan isn't as bad as its worst boards. that's like saying reddit is a home for pedophiles or tumblr is a hive of social justice
Says you, I've lost count of how many times I've had a huge argument with my friends because they believe this place is nothing but a cesspool. It's not great but it's no worse than anywhere else online, especially fucking reddit. I've only been on reddit a handful of times and seen way worse shit than I've ever come across here, because I know to stay out of /b/ and shit. They've SHOWN me worse. They think it's a lawless place where people post cp and beastiality with no moderation. One said having an account on reddit is better because you can use settings to autohide and report and only see the subs you want, but you can do all of that here without an account so there's literally no difference. So fucking frustrating.
They are dumb about that at least. Dumb in a few other ways too. They're good guys and good artists but man they piss me off sometimes. Once I was browsing the catalog while hanging out with them and there was some anime girl with a panty shot as the thread image for the alt style thread and they we like "see, I told you about that 4chan" and I was like wtf you fucking watch Kill la Kill which is nothing but constant panty shots. They tried to say she looked young but no, she looked exactly the same age range as one of those KlK bitches. Man, fuck it.
Fortunately it really only happens if 4chan comes up. For the most part they're really cool dudes it's just I don't get the weird gap in logic when it comes to comparing here with anywhere else. They regularly look up snuff gifs but they think this place is bad because there's one board that allows furries and I tried telling them a million times cp and beast aren't allowed here but they don't believe me. Apparently when they used to come here at all things were different, but I've been coming here since 2007 and it wasn't that bad then but I would still say in terms of modding it's only gotten cleaner. I don't know, they're stubborn but usually we get along fine.
Why are you still friends with them? I'm serious. You just ranted about them quite a lot just now, I can tell you've been putting up with them for quite a while. They're supposed to be your friends so if they just end up frustrating and stressing you you might want to reevaluate your relationship with them.
I've been through similar stuff in the past and cutting ties was the best thing I did. Of course not everyone can handle solitude so I understand people who keep ties for that reason; personally with time I realized I was much happier alone.
It's gonna sound stupid but I'm still friends with them because fate intervened. I tried dropping them completely. Deleted them from facebook and tumblr and what have you. Didn't see or talk to them for 4 or so months. Then one day I ran into one of them in the unlikeliest of places. So I was pulled back in. What they've done for and have to offer for my growth as an artist outweighs my annoyance for some of their elitism. Besides, even I have to admit they are good people in general. I've always been the kind of person who gets really worked up over logical fallacies though so goddamn that one thing sticks in my craw.
Yeah, I posted it after all. Nobody will notice anyway but I'm still disappointed in myself. I think I might be able to still make something interesting out of it but it's not going to be what I hoped for.
You're overthinking it, I don't think anyone cares if someone posted something "bad". We're here to practice and learn. I've posted some seriously bad shits since LAS started but looking back it's just best to shrug it off now.
Forgive me if it sounds arrogant but I'm not worried about what you guys think of it. I'm aiming to go professional so when I have things that fall far short of where I need to be, I get really disgusted. I didn't want to post it because I don't want to be reminded but it was the only thing I had drawn and since I wasted time I should've been using on other stuff I might as well get at least the las benefit for it.
please don't flood my feed with garbage. Just drop out.
chapter 2 of my comic is out!
i'd love to hear feedback.
I'm heading out tonight so I'll read and reply later.
>mfw my work buddy is from /b/
>mfw he shares all his memes
>mfw he has threads saved on his phone>
>mfw i'm drawing lolis
>mfw he shares his love for lolis with me
>mfw we spend the whole work shift joking around ad bane posting our co workers
>mfw we talk about cheese pizza all the time.
>mfw full autism exposure with no shame
shit i guess i got lucky
I do comfy studies and painting as my submissions and then spend the rest of the day failing at imagination sketches and trying to learn new things. If you want to post a Sonic sketch erryday then do it man, just do both that and the difficult things in your own time. The harder something is the more you're learning from it.
Yeah you have a good point. I think maybe I was pushing myself too hard and burnt myself out. I'm probably going to try your method, just do some anatomy studies and things like that, then take my time and space out the hard stuff. It's not realistic to spend one or even two days on something like I was trying to do, now that I think of it.
>Not deliberately posting your work minutes before the deadline so no one will look at it
Get a grip.
These are good tips on the bird. As for the tree though I'd say where you put things compositionally is more important than the buds being more detailed. Like that branch behind the bird's head is badly placed in that it's too close to the beak, you don't want different objects to line up or it causes confusion for the eye. Also I'd move the main branch/trunk of it further away from the bird's head in general, you want your subject/focus to be nicely framed, not cramped in.
I feel the exact same way. But I don't think it's bad to be a bit more comfortable with failure. Not in the sense that you shouldn't want to be better but as in accepting it as a part of the process. I'm not even close to gud myself so I shouldn't be talking so I'll see myself out now..
Full time job in /s4s/ creating dank memes.
ill start drawing more fat girls from now on.
>capcha is candy
Original anon you replied to here but yeah, it's not always that simple. I've never had a problem with a friend but a group of classmates once saw me on 4chan and took that to mean I was into "cartoon sex". But not even in a bullying way, they just genuinely believed it was my jam and would constantly ask me things out of curiosity in public no matter how much I told them they were wrong.
A few sjw types really do believe every board is r9k/pol, too. You don't want that associated with you.
I'm having trouble figuring out what's going on. Last thing I remember from yesterday was that she had kicked down a door and then it ended on a cliffhanger with her being started. Now this comic starts with like a robot or something and then she crashes through a hole in the wall? Then there's an exposition dump and I don't have a clue what's going on and it's hard to care
Is this considered low effort?
I'm legitimately proud of it.
Nice perspective stuff Gaijin, keep at it. Necks are a pain, but for the nose/eye thing I suggest finding the keystone part of the nose bridge each time. Also really helps for getting a likeness in portraits if you get between the eyes just right.
damn, thats what i get for trying to condense a big story in 4 chapters. I can write down the story if u guys want to, this comic thing is exausting anyways.
Or I can make a prologue and that will explain all the shit very easily!