>>2375314 I thought drawings had no value and I didn't really understood that I could get good with practice. I had no idea that you could pursuit the hobby in a serious manner. I know I was kind of retarded in that regard, I wish I had someone in my family who worked as an artist, that would have definitely help me to understand.
Instead I put in hard work into music, became a child prodigy, now I am approaching 30 and hate teaching, gigging and writing music. I wish someone would have hit me on the head as a kid with a Loomis book.
>>2375314 >Very good university denies me. >Few days later the worst person in our art class is accepted. >She announces in infront of the entire class and says they were accepting people left and right. >She posts her adventures on facebook everyday. >Draws like shes in middle school, even elementary school me is better than her.
I was good in school, had friends and oriented myself towards mathematics and storytelling tabletop rpgs. People who were "talented" if it comes to music and art inevitably all became nobodies, some even after transitioning from middle to high school.
On the other hand a friend who played trombone as a hobby from 16 onwards at 24 became a part of accomplished music band that even got 2nd place in some popular tv music show. Now he tours the country and other states while in mean time making PhD and programming speech recognition software.
My father didn't let me draw. He crumpled up and threw away any art he found in the house when I was a child, because he thought art was "pointless" and I should pursue things that would actually be valued in life and would actually make me money. It was an abusive home, so he was so serious about this he'd actually hit people over drawings. He wanted me to become anything but an artist. I had to draw in secret, behind his back, when no one was looking and I could keep nothing I made. If he found anything I drew, all hell would break loose.
Then I became an artist anyway. Roughly 25 years later and he's still mad.
I think people who are child prodigies are just people who have the right kind of support and are taught properly at a young age, really. Just like, if the adults in your life are all destroying your progress, you aren't going to make any progress until you escape said adults.
>>2375439 I'm only good because I had 5 equally good friends to draw with. We were all incredibly talented, but then the first guy gave up because it was hard keeping up with us, next guy moved schools at grade 6 and I found him smoking weed with his girlfriend later on. 3rd guy was outed by our group, he was an asshole that yelled at our pregnant teacher and no one liked him. Asian guy transfered schools and still likes doing his artwork, best friend eventually gives up and admits I'm the best.
- family discouraging me from an early age, since my sister was arbitarily chosen as the artistic one, and I was supposed to be the academic one - accepting that for years - being lazy, stupid and depressed
All I feel comfortable drawing are naked females. Improvement is hard due to lack of privacy and being too scared to post anything to receive useful critique.
>>2375533 draw on sheets of paper and rip them apart after you don with them just like I did
the fact that you know others won't see it makes you draw without carrying if others will see it and just draw for the heck of it, making drawing enjoyable. Also you will give each drawing less importance, so you will be able to post them with easy
>>2375559 The main difference is she sent all her stuff online and I went in person. My average was about 70-75% at the time while hers was 85-90%. I ended up interviewed by some old conservative guy who looked through 50+ things I did and discouraged anything anime, most of what I did was realistic. He then recommends me to a college to build a better portfolio and tells me to practice more realistic art. Only a handful of what I did was even anime yet he made such a big deal out of it.
Attached is a request I did a while ago in the /tg/ drawthread for a anon, took me a little over an hour.
>>2375582 Are you retarded or something? Talent is just a biological fact. Everyone is born with varying degrees of innate talent. It's not an on/off switch, but a natural inclination to becoming good at something. A very talented person might become a prodigy, while a less talented person will have to work longer to achieve the same level of skill. This shit isn't hard, you fucking moron.
>>2375602 >Talent isn't that powerful It is. I had talent in math. Everything always was so easy for me. Professor's explanation was enough to understand everything and even more. Too bad I don't need this shit talent
A person with talent will just "get" something easier than someone without it, however it's important not to be a slave to that fact though, either. If you want to draw, paint, animate etc. you can do it, but you might have to work harder at it than someone with an innate aptitude for those things.
>>2375596 Well that's definitely less cringey and better than her blurred portrait with wonky proportions. I can see where he is coming from though. Needs definitely more effort and time to put into that drawing if your emphasis is realism. On the other hand I can feel your rage and discouragement getting turned down over a random artsy fartsy grill.
Take it as a blessing though. The most you get from schools/university environments are the students you can learn from, look up to and kind of compete with. Maybe it's in your best interest to look for something else if you don't want to be surrounded by people at her skill level.
>>2375610 Same here. I have a natural aptitude for math, and also did well in most subjects in school. I was a typical underachiever in high school, but without every doing more than what was absolutely required of me, I still got very good grades. When getting my engineer degree, I spent considerably less time studying than most of the other people in my class, but still got better grades than the majority of them. I also have some musical talent, which I likely got from my mother, as my father is completely tone deaf. As far as art goes, I think I have a slight talent.
>>2375314 Prodigies aren't a thing. Anyone would be that good if they could devote the time 'prodigies' can to their craft. Children have it especially easy as they absorb new information like fucking sponges.
That aside, I didn't aspire to draw as more thn just a fun thing kids do until I was in middle school.
Anime held me back.
By the time I got out of animu I was in high school, depressed, and barely drawing anymore. Only shook that just this year.
>>2375884 I can do a lot better than what I posted and her art is no where near my level. Thanks for the honesty. Learning how to be original instead of always copying shit is the main thing I improved on.
My father decided I was an artistic genius so there was nothing a tutor or books could teach me. I liked improving though. I remember teaching myself basic perspective and anatomy from observation. Just wish I knew those were things earlier.
Then when I was 10 I scored high on an academic test and suddenly I was a terrible artist and people were only telling me I was good to make me feel better. It killed my confidence so I took up other hobbies instead.
>>2376659 Don't let anyone take your dreams. I know it sounds so clishé but it's true. I feel bad when I see so many people growing up in abusive households. I was one of those kids. Raised in a fucked up environment. Most people will like you for who you are. They won't see you as your abusers did. Remember that you are good enough. You just got dealt a shitty hand. It's up to you to change the future though. Yup.. It's hard. But you can make it. Good luck :)
>>2376695 >mfw I have always been the "oh wow look anon can draw" guy >mfw the downslope of Dunning Kruger effect began before I was even in middle school >mfw it still hasn't stopped >mfw getting praise for my wastes of graphite >mfw I'm utter fucking shit
>>2376698 >I was good as a kid >entered art high-school >though I'd be on par with the rest >I'm damn lazy and rely only on talent >still praised all the time, way better than most at academic stuff >my personal stuff is not good though >after high school I suddenly get a reality check >start visiting /ic/ >git better >still feel way superior to all people from hs that entered the art academy >I now have a very critical look on all my stuff though
Time to get a reality check anon, it's the best thing that could happen to you in terms of art
Being a poorfag, I guess. I would draw on the back of of envelopes and loose notebook/copy paper for the longest time- a math teacher gave me my first sketchbook when I was 14 after he noticed me sketching instead of socializing, and never thought I was good enough to seriously pursue art. My parents had their own shit going on and nobody else really cared to nurture my creative side either- my family didn't appreciate it too much probably cause I was a kid and sucked ass. Remember staying with my grandparents one weekend when I was like 10, some other 2nd or 3rd cousin was staying too and we happened to start drawing like kids do and when my grandparents praised her and didn't say anything about me, got so fucking jealous and hurt that I didn't get any positive regard even though I was the actual grandkid- spilled my spaghetti everywhere (tried to do a "better" drawing that was a completed piece just to show them I was better lmao) and was totally shut down of course. I wanted SOMEBODY in my family to tell me I was good and no one did at that point, still have residual feels from moments like that. Is it so hard to tell a kid "good job" so they don't feel left out?
I think that's how I learned to hide my drawings and not look for any feedback, even after I got better. The eternal shame never goes away and approval doesn't help. Still working through it.
>>2375314 >be young >like drawing, but love animals. Especially herps and fish >not like a vet, but like a zookeeper >get older, still do art and create stories, but always say "ima be a zookeeper" >learn about the steep and retarded entry requirements to get job >friend I trust who knows about the field tells me to go into vet tech to help get a job easly >blindly follow advice >I never wanted to learn medical stuff >just wanted to feed nimals, talk about animals to kids and shovel shit >end up in one of the finest universities for it out of luck and deceptively low requirements >drug dose calculations are impossible for me >Standard lab practices are impossible for me >Study my hardest but still do awful >class was not fun or interesting to me anymore. Everything that I once found interesting was gone. People weren't there for the pursuit of knowlage, they were there for a 9-5 souless job to fill time to the grave >flunk out within first year >spiral into depression >contemplate suicide, I felt like i only had one purpose and i was unable to do it. I felt like I was so old and I had already wasted my chance of ever being happy, or successful >almost do it >remember art. When everything left and I still enjoyed art > pick myself up >refocus on art, get job at fast food place, slowly start to fix my life > year later, progressing well, getting a small following on social media, loan from the year is paid off. Happiest I've ever been in my life
Long story short, the reason I was not a child prodigy was because I was foolish enough to think that anything else would give me fufillment in life
>>2377095 >just wanted to feed animals, talk about animals to kids and shovel shit This is the most heartwarming thing I've read here in a while
I don't wanna sound stupid but without elaborating any further, the system is fucked. Education, jobs, people with crazy ambitions Don't get upset, I've found out for myself that universities are a killjoy in general, they take the thing you like so much and try to turn it into a boring career path
I've quit uni myself and thought about it for a while after... am I fucking up my life? Should I just try harder? I don't think so, if it makes you unhappy you shouldn't do it and you're gonna live a happy life. That, of course, doesn't mean to give up on any little frustration you might have when learning something.
If I were you I wouldn't give up on animals, but I wouldn't make it a career Feed stray animals, if you have free time you can even go to a local shelter on the weekends and help them walk the dogs and stuff like that. Take care!
>>2377124 Thanks for the kind words, perhaps the most crushing part was that I never did give up, until I walked out of the final exams crying like a bitch. Today I still love animals and can dispense a lot of knowledge about pets and stuff, but I don't study it excessively like I did when I was a kid. I like to bird watch and sketch birds, and I keep fish and have kept other exotics too, but it is truly a hobby now
>>2375314 School. The time I could've use for drawing I spent it studying for school. My family did encourage me to be better at art, but adviced me to not make a career out of it. I'm not even a shitty drawer, but I could've been better. Nevertheless, I'm glad I chose a science major over an arts one.
>>2377143 I quit in the middle of my second year, so I actually passed some of my exams and studied for some bs subjects that had nothing to do with what I wanted to learn. I still don't consider my time entirely wasted, I got some knowledge out of it but I didn't want to go more in-depth than that. I bet you feel the same way.
When I was a kid I was sure I wanted to join the animal cops or be a veterinarian but in the end it's not for me, all of the other stuff that you have to get involved with is just too much of a hassle. The same way that I couldn't be an animal activist, I don't know a person that loves animals and nature as much as me but it's something I could never do.
Some things are better off to stay a hobby. Art is the same, better do your own stuff and post it online, you might still get some recognition. But if you work for a company it gets annoying pretty quickly and can pretty much ruin drawing for you.
>>2375314 Parent's didn't want me to study anything realted to arts, that included being grounded when I got drawing related book from the library to learn on my own. By the time was in high school people though I was weird for drawing in my free time instead of playing games on my cellphone like everyone else. Eventually stopped drawing out of embarassment. A little later did a drawing for a gf and she trew it in the trash, didn't even thank me for it or praised it. After that I lost all motivation and took me years to try to start drawing again.
>>2375314 I know people who are very good at very young ages and they really received a lot of parental support. Not just 'here you go champ' but buying quality supplies and putting their children in no-bullshit classes and even placing them in art oriented schools. I took a private class (all ages) and there was one young woman there about 15 who was very good. Her parents had been putting her in private lessons and in an Art Magnet school to help nurture her talent. There is something to be said for talent and self-teaching but many young artists benefit from guidance.
There is one girl (Xamag) who is quite popular on Tumblr and young for the skills she displays. She was in an art school in her early teens. She claims it didn't make much difference but if she was comparing herself to her peers at the art school of course she would think that. Having met many young students who had the benefit of private instruction and art oriented magnet and boarding schools/camps there is a very clear difference in quality when you compare them against their peers and even people older than them who did not enjoy the same benefits. That doesn't mean you can only be good if you've been getting private lessons since you were 13 just that they were able to learn faster.
>>2377062 kinda, I'll find something to put up later cause I do need some sort of direction- gonna take me time to find out how to send scans from parents wireless scanner to my dinosaur laptop though.
in my art school if you want a scholarship you need to have a very good portfolio, i had a strong photography portfolio composed of several local brands and one national rig, but i am 21 so i suppose i am old and thats why i had a portfolio
>>2379412 Not to sound like a dick, but do they really give scholarships to older, freshman students? If I apply and get accepted this cycle, I'll be 20 so I'm a bit worried they'll overlook me for my age.
>>2377095 >>2377124 >>2377143 >>2377165 Universities are slave labor factories. Nowadays they are run more like companies than schools, there's comitees and boards of people that have no other interest than making their pockets swell. My father belongs to such a board and got me an MBA without having to take a single class. All I did was study the books and pass the tests. 4 years of "education", complete in 17 months.
He says if I hadn't a mind for business he would have rather sent me to a trade school because those actually teach you to be independent rather than a pawn.
>>2379619 There's no industry in mexico. If you go to the book fairs, every single book that would hire an illustrator was made in spain with international talent. There is no games industry, digital or traditional. The television monopoly kills every animation project it gets its hands on, comics don't sell, and people just don't buy art, the few contemporary mexican artists all work with international clients.
What's left? Selling crafts to tourists in a traditional market and sucking Frida's unibrow for some three pesos "art history" teaching job.
You can't even be a street cartoonist because it's illegal to sell shit in the street, unless you're with the piracy mafia of course, fucking faggot pigs never mess with the real criminals.
Anyone else feel like part of the reason is lack of artist friends or classes?
My schools never offered any type of art class other then one where you did shitty crafting. But I was also one of the only ones that drew, and the few kids that did draw would do so once a month and it would be a wolf or something. I never had an environment where I could grow art wise.
>>2379753 same. I was the 'best' artist growing up in all my schools, but being the best really didn't take much when no one even bothered to try get good themselves. I just kind of stagnated because nothing pushed me further, at the time I didn't really know about art blogs that I could aspire to either. Plus my art teacher was some weird african spirituality kind.
Well I have aphantasia. The only world I've ever known is the one right in front of me. Up until recently I had no idea people could "see" things like people or animals inside their minds I guess. Also I was a very sickly child so lots of stark white halls and off colored sea green. Guess that lead to a lack of an imagination.
There's nothing else than our selves stopping you or me from becoming masterful artists within a few years, spontaneously. I refuse to believe there is anything else to it than hard work and tedious repetition until you know everything there is to know about how things are put together visually.
I was sitting on the floor of dad's wood shop figuring out how tools worked and how not to cut myself (the hard way)
am 22 and still sit on the floor of the wood shop, trying very hard not to cut myself, but also making a living.
had I been drilled to play viola extremely well from age 4, I'd probably be working an unhappy job now, and I wouldn't have sawdust and aluminum shavings in my bed all the time. I'd also be a lot better at viola...
wouldn't have it another way. now I've got money to buy fancy pencils and I can learn to draw with the pleasant perspective of an arguably matured mind.
People laughed at my stuff because it was bad, they told me art was "talent" and I would never make it because I wasn't born with it I probably won't make it but I really enjoy drawing, it makes me feel happy..
>>2385682 if drawing makes you feel happy there's nothing stopping you from making it. the best thing about drawing is that as long as you have a steady hand (or you learn how to work with a hand that isn't steady anymore) you can do it, so if you are ready to learn fundamentals you can start at whatever age you're at. Talent has very little to do with it imho, maybe someone with "talent" can learn faster, but time is something that can be obtained quite easily later in life.
>>2375314 in highschool I had the brilliant idea to ask to the art teacher if there is more than 2 vanishing point in a single object, the answer for him was a rotund "NO" make me feel like the moron of the class, and of course everyone laughed at me.
>>2375314 I was not an art prodigy because nobody taught it to me, didn't get interested til around 14/15.
I was a prodigy at math instead, because my father taught me several grades ahead. I remember doing grade 7 algebra in grade 3 (ok ok, not so much a 'prodigy', but hey) and finishing the standard tests perfectly in about 20% of the typical time. In high school I lost interest (because of art, maybe?) and was only a grade or so ahead. Math is just so dry, you know? Didn't stimulate my emotions. I only did it for as long as I did for the buttpats.
>>2387949 If it takes you more practice than the average person to get to a certain level, you will naturally become averse to it. Might as well work on the thing you're good at instead.
Also, I mean, if we're talking about child prodigies, it's not like you have much control over your destiny at that point. It usually requires an adult to notice the ability in the child, then nurture it. It's not like there's a 6 year old saying to himself "Gee, I'm not as good at my classmates at drawing, but if I just work hard at it I bet I can become better than them."
>>2375314 My school had art clubs and junk like that where I could learn from other artists, but I never learned of this stuff until it was much too late. I kinda wish I could start one now, but no one I know has a decent grasp of art.
>>2388145 That's a bad mindset. I have dyslexia and have a problem with working memory, making learning in general quite difficult. I put more work in and do better than most of my peers, should I just give up because I'm not good enough? Yeah, fuck off.
>>2375314 I used to draw a lot of violent stuff as a kid, and got told 'nobody wants to see that'. Instead of expressing my violence through I just internalized it and became a recluse and did it through videogames and ERP where there would not be any evidence of how much of a freak I was.
I also convinced myself that if I could not be the absolute best at anything it was not worth pursuing, especially not art where the job security is null.
I fucking hate myself. I'm a quarter century old now and I've only just now started focusing on the fundamentals.
>>2388877 What people mistake for talent is a person's ability to gain skill quickly. Some people will pick up a skill faster than others whether it be from overall work ethic, the way their brain works and learns, and how they retain knowledge.
For example, someone with memory problems may have a slower time learning than someone without the memory problems, that doesn't mean the normal person is more talented.
In the case of children, they're sponges. They'll soak up anyting you make them learn and if thye work at it every day, naturally they'll surpass an adult who's just learning and wo has to work and can't practice as often. It's nothing amazing. Child prodigies are nothing special at all. The only kids that impress me are certified geniuses.
>>2388924 Lmfao "violent stuff", "expressing my violence", "videogames", "ERP". Thanks for the laugh, really. You sound like such a fucking loser, especially if you really are 25 years old, if I was you I'd kill myself.
>>2388821 I'm talking about 6 year olds you retard. Are you 6? Are we talking about you? No. We're talking about prodigies. Children don't make super conscious decisions about their future or how they will spend their time.
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