I want to learn to draw little girls, because little girls are cute. For obvious reasons it is very difficult (and dangerous) to research anatomy regarding little girls (or any child.)
What are some tips that will help me learn this forbidden art?
i get you're trolling, but also you're pointing to a valid issue in nowadays zeitgeist.
anyway, finding good reference for whatever subject is generally hard. and is part of the job.
"Anatomy for Sculptors" by Uldis Zarins
i think it's around page 91-ish where they show child proportions
its easy as fuck
also animu make it even more easy
Well, you're not going to find much nude reference for obvious reasons, (though technically they're not illegal to have) but I guess you could look at pics of kids at swimming pools and the beach and such. People might think you're a weirdo for having those photos around, but it ain't illegal.
Seriously though, op, the more weird you make it, the more weird people are going to react to it. If people KNOW what you're doing and still give you shit, well... then you've learned something useful about that person.
>they're not illegal to have
i won't be so sure
>pictures of fully clothed minors can be considered cp in america
>5 years of prison just for possession of such cp
The article in your image specifically mentions leotards and sexual poses. Photos of nude children and children in swimsuits are not inherently sexual. The context of how you are collecting it matters as well. If you have a harddrive full of hardcore cp and a dozen of nudist photos, it is fair to assume you have the nudist photos for sexual reasons aswell. If it's clear that you have photos of nude girls for artistic reasons (be it for drawing or artistic nudes of children) it does not count as cp. Atleast that's how the law works in Sweden.
That's how the law works everywhere but sometimes the cops or the media, as it often happens in the US, will want to make an example out of you. Like the single book of artistic nudes depitcing boys that was found in Michael Jackson's manor among dozens of other legal artistic nudes. Look at how that ended for him.
Bruh.. I feel ya.
You might want to search for lolicon over the boorus (if you want to draw animu) and search some sites I'm not posting because they may be bait (they are 100% non-nude girls, tho). But I'm not quite sure if those sites are b8, so I just visit them behind 9 proxies and never download anything. No porn as I said.
Other webs are japanese.
Just search a pic and draw the grill. If anybody finds drawings of little grills all over your room, tell them it's art.
You've been on 4chan for too long faggot.
Seriously though, in the book it was explained that he got his dick cut when he was turned into a vampire many years before the old man was even born. He turned into some form of nonbinary shemale tumblr thing.
I remembered my dad taking nude pics of me when I was young(no it's not lewd just bath pics like all Asian parents take) thanks to you and found it so I can give you some tips:
The body structure of a prepubescent girl is EXACTLY the SAME as a boy of the same growth/height. Minus the dong. I just compared my brother's bath pics to make this assumption. The age thing is not necessary. My brother's body structure at age 11 is similar to my body structure at age 8. Kids grow at a different pace so don't count on age. I know a girl who was 12 but has the same physique as when I was 8 but had a way deeper voice than mine. Age says nothing.
Another tip is from when I was young I was always baffled when i read manga is the anatomy of how people fail when it comes to children. With my autistic memory I'll try to tell what I know:
the hips, even prepubescent girls don't have those LARGE HIPS. These develop near the END.(like only after 14-15) Boobs come before hips. Thanks to the convo I heard from the changing room when my classmates mocked another girl who didn't have visible hips back when I was 13.
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Kids these days are unhealthy. Especially if they don't do any sports or the sort, which they don't. Their legs look like freaking sticks. You will only notice legs with weight (curves) if they have a minimum of fat. The average kids' legs are now barely the same width as their arms. I started to notice it after my mom claimed that my brother was underweight so I started to check and memorise like an autism every kid I encounter's proportions. You don't need to see them naked to do this. It's the pants. The pants give out the shapes as they wear tight pants/leggings a lot.
Don't do the head at the same size as an adult's. The heads have to be smaller. Some proportions are similar like hand=face. But it depends for the limbs proportions. You can have a kid with 1.5 times long legs than their arms but there might be one of the same age whose legs are only 1.2 times their arms.
- The younger the age, the more chubby the joints will look. THIS IS NORMAL. Also why most girls/boys look like stickman figures at age 9-12.
tl;dr: Do more kids observational studies. Increase your visual library naturally. It you don't there's also these shady Japanese Russian child models websites who are creepily dressed in leotards.
another way is to find adult women with flat/androgynous features. They can also be used as a model for both BOYS AND GIRLS. I remembered a leg thread on ic and oh boy and I mistook it as my brother's legs.
You know there was a point last year where I came to terms with weird loli and shota shit like "Okay, they're just drawings, at least they're not hoarding actual child porn and are fucking kids" but every time somebody something simon drew on /co/ or /ic/ or some shit it just makes me feel fucking awful. There's something really off about Simon. Aside from his obsession with little cartoon children.
There's a lot of good references on DA, just look up stock of children and then stylize it after you learn the correct proportions.
There are no shortcuts, but if you actually want to do this, then you'll have to learn adult anatomy and then child proportions and then go from there. But I suspect that's way too much effort for an obese 20-40 year old neckbeard that just wants to draw creepy pictures of kids.
e i g h tchan has a whole board dedicated to borderline pedoshit, as well as regular threads on /b/. I'm sure there's some good ref on those boards but idk if you want the NSA/botnet to catch you going there.
I have a similar issue. One of my characters is at that weird stage of puberty when your proportions are fucked and you look like a bobhead with elongated limbs and a shrinked torso. I want this aesthetic for the sake of creepy, but Chris Hansen is not gonna hear any of that if I go googling skinny 15 year old girls.
the FBI have an international task force for violence against children. They will flag your online activity as suspicious and -- with enough data and a hand from the NSA -- attribute it to your personal identity. They can't detain you in your 3rd world shit hole, but you can and will get v& if you pass through immigration in an American airport.
Well, its summer over here, I live on the bay and hundreds of tourists are hoarding the beaches.
I just go out to enjoy the weather and bring my sketchbook, then observe kids and families running around enjoying their vacations. And since everyone is using bating suits and light stuff its pretty easy to catch peek on movement and proportions.
I can assure you, little boys and girls are the same from 10 and bellow except for genitals. Then at 11 girls start forming fat around the hips and depending, some breasts too... But well, in my country girls start developing earlier than others, so maybe its different for Americans?
But really as long as you don't t take photos of stranger's kids and act like a sneaky creep running from the police, theres no danger. Just hold your shit at plain view to make it clear to everyone that you're an artist.
And if you're a female, it's even easier. Nobody ever judges us females of being creeps which is nice and kind of horrifying the same time...
Ok, lets do this...
First off, kids below a certain age are no different, male or female, the only difference that first pops in is the face, which isn't hard to find
shirtless boys, while may be creepy, also aren't hard or illegal to find. and up to puberty, are good enough to be able to draw a girl from.
once girls start to develop in ways that make them clearly different, many tend to start wearing revealing clothing, so there you go with another way to legally find them.
you will also need to cross reference with medical texts, but that shouldn't be to hard.
now the only area you will not find info for outside of drawings is genitalia, and japans loli hentai has you covered there, remember till 2014 i beleive simple possession was legal so they had real images to reference from, though i would seriously recommend you not draw or distribute this as it at the very least constitutes obscenity laws, and every so often laws get passed to make it illegal to draw to view, these usually get thrown the fuck out before anyone gets charged with shit, but unless you're independently wealthy and can sustain life without a job ever, seriously recommend against loli porn.
>the difference that first pops in is the face
I think it would actually be the angle of the hips. like 5 years before the tits in the females, or the facial hair and structure in the males become apparent.
But there's a much more important distinction: girls behave very girlish since an early age (as well as a few uber faggot boys). If you're interested in drawing girls you'll need to observe the femenine mannerisms from girls, much more than the detailed physiology
no, the first major observable difference between girls and boys will be the face, unless they are destined to be androgynous, the a boys face and a girls can be seen even in kindergarten, granted the face will continue to change and get more sculpted as they get older but you will see bits and pieces early on.
like i said, consult medical texts along with what little you can legally obtain.
all the faces look the same to me. is probably the haircut or something.
grown up females certainly retain more neotenic characteristics than males, both in the face, and the rest of the body
also depends on how active they are, if they are really active you see the difference younger.
if i remember right somewhere around 7 you stop confusing boys with girls based on faces alone. as for hips... again it heavily depends on how active they are, a few of my female friends where very skinny till they stopped being active to the point that i as a guy had wider looking hips than them. but you also have the fatter girls who show hips very early on too...
it's almost as bad as those sick fucks who enjoy drawing bowls of fruit...you know they are just thinking about removing the rind and putting them inside their mouths. makes me sick just thinking about it.
because of the current world we live in, if a child is screaming in the middle of a mall you cant go up to the kid and try and help, you have to move on.
if you have a camera and you are around kids you are automatically seen as a pedophile even if the kids aren't what you are taking pictures of.
there is a legitimate question as to how to go about doing this due to how retardedly over protective we are of kids.
if a divorce happens the woman gets the kids overwhelmingly because the man may diddle them.
a friend cant even get more than weekends when his ex was caught dui with the kid in the car.
DUDE~~> >>2364594 when I want to look at PEOPLE.. my mind says: ''People hang out at:
1) the Grocery Store
2) the Library
3) the bus stop
4) the restaraunt
5) the college and/or OTHER schools
and each of those five ideas have parking lots and trees where a camera can be remotely gathering artistic information.
-or- ...go to the mall & stick your cell-phone camera under the stall of any (ONE of the thousands of) woman's bathrooms around your city. If you get caught then... you're an idiot.
Our planet has hundreds of countries, and each country has existed on the surface of this planet for eons. And, out of the THOUSANDS of artists that have existed on Earth...
> YOU >>2364594
are the first to tackel this idea. There are NO reference books in any library, or any data base, or medical books, or blue-jean (GAP) advertisement.
download daz3d (free from website)
download growing up pack (kat.cr has it)
>I want to learn to draw little girls, because little girls are cute.
Look at and study other artists work. I know to git gud you should study ~real People~ but honesly, just don't do it for little kids. If you don't wanna go for animu check out artists like helnwein