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Post your current drawing here and give constructive critique to others!

Please make sure your posted image is clear, downsized to around 1000 pixels wide, rotated to the correct orientation, and that any unused space is cropped.
If you want critique on a drawing from the previous thread, you can delete it there and repost in this one.

>dA /ic/ group :
http://4chan-ic.deviantart.com

>/ic/ Resources/Reference/Downloads/Links:

>General resources :
http://sites.google.com/site/4chanic/
http://sites.google.com/site/artandwhatnot/
http://characterdesigns.com/
http://crimsondaggers.com/forum/thread-3.html
http://finaltrinity.tumblr.com/post/13163064364/art-references-tumblr-accounts

>fellowBro's books :
http://mediafire.com/?i44dwzkf9j9n8

>Figure Drawing Tool:
http://pixelovely.com/gesture/figuredrawing.php
http://posemaniacs.com/

>Photoshop Brushes
http://cgsociety.org/index.php/CGSFeatures/CGSFeatureSpecial/tower_of_evilzz
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>>2358648
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>>2358658
MORE TEXTURE!
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current WIP in pastels. Still a lot work left on the face but Id love some advice.
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Is this a gesture?
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>>2358744
no its a construction drawing.

Gesture is about capturing weight, movement and balance, and little about proportion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74HR59yFZ7Y
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>>2358648
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>>2358744
good effort, but take some time to clean up your lines too. where you are at, it doesn't look artsy - just messy.

as >>2358748 said, it's not gesture. i can feel how concentrated you were in getting things correct and the way 'they're supposed to look like.' gesture is much much more free than that.
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>>2358648
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>>2358849

where do you get your references dude, been looking for decent ones but cant find any that are really good.
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>>2358748
>>2358862
thanks fellas!
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>>2358869
The face is pretty nice, but cause he has no arms, it kinds ruins it.
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>>2358871
it was from imagination
although i usually get references from pinterest/huaban
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Some shit i did yesterday.
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Work in progress, probably not coloring it tho.
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Meh, started redrawing this one after one of my cats smudged it and he smudged it in about the same place again.

I'm too entertained by this to be mad.
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Me again >>2358744

Am i gesturing now?
Also I'm working on cleaning up my lines
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>>2358954
Attatching the picture helps
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>>2358685
re-draw her neck. It is giraffe-tier.
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>>2358956
these are still construction drawings but they have better gesture. The idea of gesture drawings is that you are supposed to disregard proportion and structure to focus on movement, weight etc. so that you can then apply your understanding of gesture to your finished figure drawings. Download michael hampton's book "Figure Drawing: Design and Invention" or his video tutorials, he breaks down how you should think about figure drawings in a fairly digestible way
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>>2358956
>>2358954
https://youtu.be/4UOyGoztzRQ
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>>2358969
>>2358972
thanks for the responses, you guys are the real mvps
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workin on mo lines

LAZY EDITION

WANANANNANANANANAN
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how does this look in terms of gesture and proportions?
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>>2358898

Why does it have a pec and a tit? Is meant to be like that?
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>>2358991
Decent for a cartoon. Heads too big for realism
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>>2358999
It's....

[spoiler]weeb/waifu/anime shit[/spoiler]
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>>2358924
>5312x2988
nope
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>>2359001
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the draw thread is so dead these days
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alright im done with this. ive been putting off a new one because i don't know where to find another good reference and /s/ sucks
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>>2359013
Not really
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limited myself to 1 hour. Was fun.
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>>2358995
Yeh (?)
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Pencil
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working on this. trying to find out what about the shapes and colors of certain photos i like.
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>>2359347
You must really love boobs, man. The rendering on the previous one is really interesting, looks like it took a long time though. Cool keep it up.
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>>2359016

good contour/directional hatching, nice and subtle. outline of the right breast (viewer's right) is a little wobbly/depressed on the upper and lower portions of the curve.

also nice tits
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>>2359391
well i dont like all boobs. i like very specific kinds of boobs. just any boobs usually doesn't do it for me. shape, size, color of the nipples, size of the nipples, color of the skin is all pretty important. i'm just trying to figure out how to replicate what i like from imagination by only studying the boobs i like.

>>2359470
thanks yeah i should fix that eventually
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hands from today
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>>2358849
eyes are not on the same plane
and the cranium is too long.
hair lacks volume

also fix that fucking neck
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>>2359016
... at this point you should have just done pixel dithering, because youre just wasting time.
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>>2359199
values values values
its too dark and no light
the nose is facing upwards and not towards the camera
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>>2359607
i barf every time you post these hands
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>>2358685
Looks great, but yes, move the back of her neck out more.
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>>2359016

Good but what's with the outline on the tits? They look like they're covered in an inch of aloe.
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>>2359690
idk i was just screwing around. usually if i do something i can fix in two seconds i just leave it there cause it's just part of practicing. but here's a quick version of it without the outline.

it looks a lot better :D
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I've been working on this for a little bit. I'm not sure how I feel about it anymore though.
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>>2358956
Am i gesturing now
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>>2359199
id say the edges on the nose and lips are too sharp

ok, i've been working on this since yesterday, i'm still struggling with the shadows and the process overall, any tips?

i think i'm finishing this tomorrow
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>>2359729

no, you're not. did you watch the video we linked? straight lines that mark tilt of the torso and center lines are still construction lines. gesture lines are fluid, and continuous. your lines are segmented.
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>>2359631
What is "low key"? Or a weak lightsource.
Not everything needs a 1-10 value range.

But you are right about the nose.
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>>2359784
no you clearly did't show "low key" its too fucking dark. paint opaquely and then blend.
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>>2359768
bruh your edges are bad and your values are dirty
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>>2359285

>(?)

What? Do you want an explanation of why I asked that? A critique? Opinions?
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guys how do I deal with stagnation?

over the past year or so I don't feel like I'm getting any better. My quality flops all over the place, and sometimes drawing just pisses me off so bad I quit.

what do
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>>2359880
This looks pretty cool, if you add a gun on his hand, blackeye and tails dead on the background by gunshots you can work out something
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>>2359085
Nice!
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The beginner thread sent me here, I'll just link my previous post >>2359692

Notice me /ic/-senpai and help me finish this.
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>>2359806
oh well, bruh, next time I guess
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>>2359925
Looks dull, look into color values
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>>2359969
I want to! I realized the problem now that I opened both on my browser instead of Photoshop (which apparently made the referece dull for some fucking reason) so I want to fix that but I don't know how to. Do I play with the hue/saturation? the levels? the curves? vibrance? more than one of these (+the rest)? I never play with these magical sliders, so I don't know how to control it.
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>>2359974
The quickest way to fix this is to make a new layer, set it to overlay and layer on the different saturation and hues.
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Drew this from the OP in the statue thread and I'm about to give up on it. Tried to position/proportion them right using negative space and plumb lines and it sorta worked.

Looking for some advice on the rendering though, it seems blotchy and I think it makes them look like theyre black skinned people rather than white marble statues. Tried to blend with a tortillon but I think it looks not that good
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>>2358660

more texture

>>2358685

I like the lighting, and good rendering
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Any critique about the colors/lighting here? I feel that i need to visually connect two characters together somehow.

>>2359880
I have the exact same problem, but i feel that it's a temporary and necessary period in any artist's life. You just gonna avoid pausing and continue pushing through (maybe do some master studies to better understand exactly what qualities do you want from your style).

>>2359085
I fucking love the amount of sharp confident lines, makes the overall design look super cool.
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>>2360033
Pose is awkward, clothes are constricting her face looks really off.
Also remember to go a little more into detail when blocking your background, it really helps to keep reminders of what light's gonna be refracting off when rendering the subject.
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How do you guys deal with texture?
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>>2360125

side of pencil and rubbings
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>>2358920
Fuck it, can't be arsed to even begin rendering this out.
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>>2360033

made a few adjustments, some of your lighting was appeared inaccurate, too hard, or too bright, tried not to change much of the form if any at all
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>>2360033
Work on proportion- the mouse may be a little big.
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>>2358685
got a few more hours of work in tonight. thanks to the anons who tipped me about the neck. its still a bit long, but true to my subject, shes a lanky gal. the neck and chest are still very early.
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>>2359085

some of your strokes are good, but many of them are still scratchy
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>>2360206
is this that fucking chick again
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>>2360212
What chick?
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>>2360206

your marks look more confident than in your previous portraits, longer, a little bolder, look a little faster, good job on that, be mindful of your work page, wear latex gloves, try not to smudge too much, use a plastic rest pad, even if you're going to cover it up, your control of soft and hard transitions of shadow on the form are much more three dimensional than in your past portraits also, so keep doing that, collar bone and vein on neck look flat, as does the shadow above the left (my left) eye. your handling of the saturation in the midtones from the lower portion of the neck to the upper is excellent- very pleasing , as well as the softness of the cast shadows on the neck, well done
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>>2358648
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>>2359780
i did watch it and the 3 videos it auto played after. fug. oh well i'll try again today.
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yippee
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van hellsing
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>>2358648
Here goes, work in progress
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>>2360238

His right hand is fucked up and no, it's not stylization but awful construction. And what the fuck is wrong with your lines?

Just give up and get a job you talentless hack.
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>>2360268
>>2360238
you think thats fucked?
his ear is meting
the eyes and mouths are symbols
her forehead is huge
her tits dont make sense
and shitty contours at that
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Caricature.
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>>2360238
It's making me laugh like a hyena though. Do another one!
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>>2360286
i-its horrible nothing of this is even appealing!

seriously! what the fuck were you thinking!!!!
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>>2360268
>>2360284
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>>2360305
its shit.
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>>2360305
>>2360238
the hero ic deserves
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>>2360315
>>2360315
>>2360315
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>>2360286
I like
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>>2360315

>an hero /ic/ needs

fix'd
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>>2360305

>right hand holding the gun
>penetration from the left temple

Kill yourself for real, disregard drawing, you can't into basic logic.
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>>2360351
>what is exit wounds
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>>2360352

This isn't exit wound, smooth edges are for entrance while exit is messy and bigger. Seriously, don't you know your anatomy? 0/10
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>>2360365
there's a lady with horns and all you can complain about is that the exit wounds doesn't look realistic.
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>>2360305
More please
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>>2360238
>>2360305
blog?
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>>2360305
Finally you return
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>>2360379

Those looked like they are glued to the sides of the head, besides, females often look like devils and can poke your eye with their horns, that's why I avoid them and stay whole day in my flat.
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ok, i'm done with this, what do you guys think?
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>>2360266
Kek, read the sticky and go to the beginner thread.
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>>2360251
Looks too much like frankenstein. add mullet.
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>>2360286
>signature.
>>2360266

>pic related
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>>2360474
Dude, they aren't grounded properly, there is so many perspective mistakes that I can't even list them all their faces look like they have been hit with shovels everyday since they were born, her hair looks like someone mowed the grass and glued it to her head as a clump, dudes hair extends so much that he would need an alien head under it, also his other hand just disappears into his chest and acquires no space under the arm, your best values in the pic are the birds.

My advice: Forget colors completely for now, do everything in grey-scale for a while, learn some construction (Michael Hampton, Loomis (Figure drawing), Bridgman) and then learn a bit on perspective if you want to do drawings with extreme foreshortening
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>>2360475
Pose is awkward as fuck and the left leg is technically floating.
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>>2359607
If you don't mind me asking, how old are you?
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>>2360286
It.. its just a mess of jumbo and jambo man.

Also the hair has the same color combination after my dog ate its own shit and barfed it on a blue carpet.
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>>2360521
can you redline me plz? i still fail to see the floating left leg..
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>>2360248
Why are his ear attached to his neck?
Also you might want to try the alternative stylization thread.

>>2360104
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>>2360517
well thanks, that was the first critique i got in this website
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>>2360521
took your advice on the leg, it feels better now, but not perfect, as for the awkward pose, hes in an awkward environment. so it fits for me.
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>>2358648
can I get a few pointers from someone who knows a thing or two about landscapes or maybe some recommended reading on the topic?
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>>2360190
For some reason this kinda reminds me of Van Gogh

>>2360475
Sorry I'm really bad at redlines but I tried to show what was wrong with it, It was partially sunken into the ground and partially floating compared to the other leg which looked fine to me.
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>>2360565
I forgot the writing on the pic. But seriously the pose is fine, its just the hand and head mismatch which just makes it look really weird, I recommend changing the hand for since it makes for a better composition imo, make it rest or have it turn against the body or front more.
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>>2360305
Damn dude I haven't seen your shit in years where the fuck you been.
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>>2360557
You are welcome! Now go get some art gains mate!
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>>2360523
22
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>>2359880
if you're tired of starting over, stop giving up
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>>2360042
Yeah, now i can also see the awkwardness of the pose, gonna redraw it completely and also make an actual background.

>>2360194
I can see where i messed up, thanks a lot!

>>2360196
Hmm, i intended for it to be a giant rodent. But maybe you are right about the perspective, perhaps it's ass is too big.
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>>2359345
Read the sticky, get keys to drawing from the book thread, go trough it, then come back.
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>>2358685
If you want to do realistic portraits from photos MEASURE THE FUCK OUT OF THEM and never use black lines.
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>>2358724
Where are you trying to go with this? All the proportions in the body are wildly off.
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>>2360656
They look fine to me. Snow gloves tend to be big and tall girls often loo like that.
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>>2358990
The head along with the neck should be leaning back with that pose, or the torso should be leaning more towards the front. It looks like you drew them both separately and mashed them together.

>>2359011
Beginner thread is that way
>>2358814
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copyed face, no need to expose me lel
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>>2359717
I like how the trees look but the there is no sense of light at all and the the roots look weird along with the perspective, also couple of the trees look really flat. It looks like colored pencil so I would like to see you try again, grid the ground and decide on the direction of light at the beginning.
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>>2360668
Values man, values.
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>>2360578
>>2360405
>>2360403
>>2360296
http://trolchan.tumblr.com/
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>>2359862
sure bro, go ahead
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please red line the shit out of me guys
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>>2360868
you would benefit from READING about light theory for drawing

you need to put your darkest values where shadows shapes meet with bright shapes, and also don't get close to 100 dark, you neet to play between 10-90%
brigter zones need more values
pic related of shadowing with understanding
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>>2360863
Redline won't help you mate, read the sticky and go to the beginner thread.
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hands
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>>2360911
May be you should draw more useful positions and angles?
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>>2360919
i need to be able to hold the pose. floating fingers drift too much i can't draw that fast. working on it though. i could try some where my fingers are outstretched resting on the table tomorrow but im done with hands for today
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Trying to get better at generally everything. Be as brutally honest as possible.
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>>2361007
stop drawing from imagination
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>>2361007
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>>2361007
Big anatomy issues, torsos are too long, legs and arms are too short.
There's no real weight to the clothes, they feel too restricted to their bodies, there's absolutely no flow to the pose or clothes.
Shading is too basic and everything looks flat, they need shadows too.
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>>2361030
Can do.
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>>2361049
draw from life, don't draw from photos. you're too much of a beginner to draw from imagination or photos, and even if you weren't you should still be drawing from life everyday ( that goes for the rest of /ic/)
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>>2361030
>>2361034
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>>2361060
Thank you, I'll keep this all in mind.

>>2361044
I dig it, silhouetted characters with glowing eyes is my fetish.
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>>2361007
hey! that's not too bad! you seem to have general proportions down (i might move the crotch higher on both figures) and the characters have a decent attitude to them. the accessories they've got on them aren't too overstated or distracting, which is always good, and they seem to be practical and fit within the time period (are those both horns along their waist? good research if so).

you seem to have a good idea of what you want to draw, so now it's just a matter of learning to draw them better. like, i am digging the costumes, definitely a decent medieval/15th century kind of vibe, it's just that the cloth itself is drawn fairly naively. you understand that there are tension points by the armpits and that it should be tucking into the belts and gloves, but you don't seem to know how exactly to show it. consider doing some cloth studies to see how different fabrics fold when under tension and how they act when at rest. there's a website called pbase.com that's like a public photo gallery that's open to anyone to browse, so if you look up "renaissance fair" or something similar you can find a bunch of reference of people dressed up in medieval costumes. when studying, just make sure that you're deliberate with the lines you're putting down to draw to cloth! you don't need to draw every single crease, just focus on the salient folds that will help you get your point across the easiest.

here's a redline and some relevant references. the way i work is already fairly stylized and less realistic than what you've got, so i wouldn't try and copy my method, but i hope it helps to show one way of simplifying fabric.
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heres how this is coming along. i love the greyish green skin and really pink nipples <3
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which do you like senpai-tachi?
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>>2361072
Thank you, this has helped me a lot. You're an absolute diamond.
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>>2361140
number nana desu
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>>2361140
Na na na na na na na nana
Nana na na na na
Gettin jiggy with it
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>>2361140
What's it for? I like san
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>>2361132
looks hairy.
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>>2360904
thank you for your helpful insight, will look further into that information.
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>>2360904
Wait is the bounced light the same value as the midtone before the terminator?
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>>2360565
this makes so much sense, ty senpai
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I should really learn how to color.
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>>2360286
don't be such a pussy. put it back up and take critique like a man. I saw it just as you deleted it. You have potential and this place can help you, but only if you aren't a pussy.
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>>2361140
5th one, but have her laying on the wing facing the viewer being all cute n shit.
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>>2360835

Uhm, alright then. I asked because I thought it was just a female orc or something with rough features. I don't think I've ever seen something like a pec and breast on the same chest. Found it odd. As for opinions, well, it's not a subject matter I'm interested in. And as for a critique, well, I'm pretty terrible at drawing, so take this with several grains of salt but....

The face feels kind of flat and awkwardly affixed. The left cheek where it meets the chin really rather bothers me. The left hand seems a bit small and doesn't feel like it's really curving around the thigh, and the right forearm also seems a bit small and thin.
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>>2361132
Just looks like hairy tits.
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>>2360208
Wow anon thanks for putting in the time to point those out! I really appreciate it.
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>>2361240
Varies, but bounce light in the shadows are usualy kept darker to maintain a clear binary divide between the light shapes and the dark shapes. Bounce light would have your lightest value within the darks, but it should still be darker than the darkest light to maintain a good read.
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I'm losing my mind over this dude's shadow. Is it in the right place?
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i drew a blanket
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>>2361401
is the shadow underground or someshit? how can the shaddow not be connected to his foot in any circumstance?
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>>2361401
dude stop drawing from imagination. just set up a lamp and study it casting a shadow on an apple or something the fuck how do you expect to figure this out by just thinking about it really hard?
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>>2361401

Where is the light source? very confusing
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>>2361403
tour hatching is disgusting and halfassed

>but muh style
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>>2361415
learning doesn't always look pretty. you could probably learn something from me ;)
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>>2361403
Looks ugly and flat. You're rushing too much.
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>>2361431
drawing fast is an important skill. if it looks ugly and rushed that's fine, as long as it represents the form well, is shaded, and the measurements were freehanded accurately. you should try it on your own drawings it helps you learn much quicker when you work quickly and focus on the right things <3
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>>2361436
>drawing fast is important
What's the point of drawing something fast if it looks bad? Taking the time to draw something well is much better practice than rushing to draw a few shitty looking sketches. Your drawing doesn't represent the form well, the shading is messy, and the measurements of that chair atleast are cetainly not accurate.
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>>2360206
the lines kill the subtlety of your contrasts, which are really good otherwise
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>>2361441
>Taking the time to draw something well is much better practice than rushing to draw a few shitty looking sketches
because you say so? if you want to freehand measurements well being able to do it quickly is important because not everything you draw is going to be a still life. if you can't draw the figure quickly you can't draw the figure, because then you are drawing from imagination to fill in the gaps and why bother at that point?
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>>2361451
First you have to be able to draw a figure well before you work on speed. You are lacking in the basic knowledge of freehanding measurements, and therefore speed is the least of your problems at the moment.
Also a chair and a cloth is not likely to move on it's own at any point, so your excuse doesn't work for that image.
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>>2361441
this
quick gestures are important but if you never learn how to refine then wtf are you doing, art takes time mang
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>>2360004
grays should be subtler, don't use black. find the darkest shadow in the pic, emulate that gray, and the rest will come inbetween. try to identify at least 4-5 different tones. also avoid lines, when shading use the side of the carbon
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>>2361459
i know how to refine! im not posting my other drawings stop being argumentative not everyone on this website is clueless
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all around me are familiar faces
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>>2361412
Haven't got em' and even if I did I, it's not worth the trouble. Thanks for your concern.
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>>2361413
Ignore the little lamp to the side. Say there's a spotlight a foot off the ground and like 5 feet away from him off the canvas.
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>>2361410
It's all very unfinished, So concerning what's actually in the picture does the shadow on the couch/wall, does it look accurate?
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>>2361470
I may or may not have just done all the work for you but I hope this is helpful regardless.
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>>2361547
not him, but this is pretty helpful, well done
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>>2361547
blog?
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>>2361547
Appreciate it
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>>2360863
I tried.
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making the transition from traditional to digital, having trouble with rendering
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>>2361600
Thanks for doing what you're doing
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>>2361240
bounced lights/ambient lights brighten up shadows but not up to midtones, just close to these
but we see it as if it's the same gray because of the contrast affects how we perceive things

it's not important to be perfect, but understanding this fundamental push on a whole new level our renderings, as it's more natural than black shadows without variation

>>2361406
I want more of those
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>>2361615
Rendering aint the only thing
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>>2361615
Somehow the composition is just not appealing at all.
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How the fuck do I paint hair?? It's difficult as hell for me And the single strand thing looks ugly as sin.
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>>2361685
paint it as the skin, then draw over it with more opaque brushes to make hair texture
it's pretty nice painting, but too much airbrush, you need more clean edges
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>>2361685
Dude : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SYIPBS2F0k
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>>2361632
you mean the characters or the thumbnails ? I'm still developing the story of the two ;p
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>>2361615
the tree take alot of space in the canvas attracing attention from the create in the background.
this ruin the attempt to make the creature seem massive
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>>2361685
it's not the single strand that looks ugly but the horns, at least use a different color/texture than the skin or it will look creepy
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i drew this a few months ago and didn't think of porting. I am a beginner so please help me out.
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Anons help me, I want to get better and I want to be actually good at this stuff but I can't understand why I am so critically slow. My usual 1 hour to 4 hour practice sessions give me unfinished messes at best, pic related is product of two days which is laughable.
Is it because I am still shit and my skill level is too low to do this fast?
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>>2362086
also, how do I git gud at environmental art
as soon as more complex shit like mountains is introduced into perspective I fuck it up for some reason
I know this is a vague question but still, if there are any hints and tricks to enviro art I would be thankful
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>>2361066
thanks! I've been wanting to do something with these tapetum lucidum eyes for a while.
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>>2362086
Opacity and brush size.
It looks like you're working up layeras and layers and then carefully rendering with a tiny tiny brush.

You will become faster if you just time yourself and make the effort to, but you're better off using a solid brush and larger brush to block things in quickly. Before you get used to it, everything will look like shit, but you will learn.

Also you still don't actually know what you're trying to draw, when you get better at anatomy you can lay down the sketch for that hand in one go and just put your blocky brush over it rather than ctrl-z-ing for five hours.
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>>2361521
love the shading. do you use an underdrawing first?

>>2362065
shading looks decent.

>>2362086
speed comes with time. it's good that you've got the patience right now. don't throw away that good habit.


CC welcome!!
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>>2362086
Do more painting studies, and use a harder, larger brush. You can't expect yourself to be able to do something without knowing how it's done, so look for some paintings that you want to strive towards and try to figure out their process. Digital art is interesting nowadays, because you can often find actual process videos from professionals to see how they do what they do. They're sped up to an incredible speed, so you won't be able to follow along like you might with Bob Ross, but you can still get a general idea of their workflow.

League of Legends used to do this a lot with their art spotlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZo25fFBJsA

Though they condense the 17 hour process into just under 6 minutes, you can still see that, after thumbnailing, they do an extremely tight sketch which they used to paint flat colours underneath. After that they focus on the key, reflected, and ambient light before getting into the fine details of rendering.

Do a bit of research to find a workflow that works for you. Speed will come with time as you become more comfortable with the medium.
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>>2362100
>It looks like you're working up layeras and layers and then carefully rendering with a tiny tiny brush.
That's true
>You will become faster if you just time yourself and make the effort to, but you're better off using a solid brush and larger brush to block things in quickly. Before you get used to it, everything will look like shit, but you will learn.
Man, I've seen videos and pics of guys WIP's with blocking and all that, it's crazy. I tried blocking for the base but then eventually it boiled down to 70 layers of tiny brush shit because I started messing up with larger brush.
>>2362102
Thanks, I also signed up for the Draw Every Day thing here on /ic/ to keep up that habit.

Also I was wondering, what's up with ctrl+paint? I heard it's a good digital painting website but it seems to be down, is it just down now or did it get fucked?
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>>2362107
I always have trouble finding videos like these for some reason, do you know a resource that contains lots of sped up concept art drawings and such
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>>2362086
this is the second time Im giving you an overpaint,anon. You've disregarded everything me and other people told you last time and are repeating the same thing over again.Start reading books.You won't get good in a day or a week or a month. You need at least a couple of years until your work will start to look descent. Don't put the carriage infront of the horse. Don't try to render complex lighting like that when you can't even draw a proper figure. Start with Hampton's notes, then proceed to Vilppu. Once you're good enough to confidently be able to draw figures ,then you can start painting basic 1 light scenarios.
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>>2362129
where can i find hampton's notes?
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>>2362133
https://mangodrawingsatuni.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/michael-hampton-figure-drawing-design-and-invention.pdf

Also learn to do things for yourself. Art is not a venture in which one gets spoon fed everything.

Literally took me 14 seconds to google and find it...
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>>2362137
thank you. i'm somebody else btw but the message still applies. what was your path like through art? as in when did you start, what material did you study, what styles did you prefer etc. just asking because it seems like you know what youre talking about. would interesting to see how someone experienced did it.
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>>2362129
this anon fucks
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>>2362129
>this is the second time Im giving you an overpaint,anon.
But I don't remember posting this on /ic/ and if I did I never read the thread and probably left...at least I hope my memory isn't that fucked.
Also, sorry, I guess I just wanted to have some fun with fantasy characters and stuff like that, playing lots of tabletop games lately and I just want to draw something fun and fantasy related.

I am doing form study with pencil, though I just mostly draw stupid shit digital. I guess I am fucked in head because I am not in artschool and there is nothing forcing me to purely concentrate on form study instead of trying to do character art and dragons and shit.

Thanks for advice.
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figure drawing from today
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>>2362065
If you are a beginner why didn't you go to the beginner thread instead? You dumdum. Also read the sticky.
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>>2362129
Hey I'm not the dude you replied to but I'm a dude who has only drawn so far.
Got any book recommendations for people who can draw but have but have never painted before?
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>>2362207

Why are you going to a life drawing class if you're not going to draw from observation?
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>>2362232
what does that even mean
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>>2361140
Looks like the same Thumbnails Ionen made for one of his commissions six years ago. Got some good perspective on them.
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>>2360238
>wanting to into anime
Faggots
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Hey guys. First legitimate drawing for the first time in around 5 years. I made a thread but then saw this one.

I'm really just hoping for some stuff I should practice and study as I know everything needs improvement.
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>>2362235

Do yourself a favor and don't bother going to a figure drawing class if you're not going to draw from observation. If you're going to make stylized illustrations, use a photograph as a reference, since there's less information in a photograph and you're not going to be using most of it for what you're doing.
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>>2362235
I think the anon is saying that you shouldn't really stylize when you're going to a figure drawing session, rather observe and learn and apply style later on your own
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>>2362239
beginner thread bro.
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>>2362227
Sorry im new sort of here
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>>2362259
I'm good. I would much rather recieve some legitimate pointers than slave my way through the same bullshit I learned in elementary art.
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>>2362266
You have not learned shit. Go study fundamentals.
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>>2362141
i haven't really "done it".I'm yet to be employed in the industry and I'm light years away from getting anywhere near the level I set out to be. I started to seriously study art 2012.Yet I'm only mediocre level at best.Study material is standard. Started with Vilppu dvd then from there I just spread out and now I've probably red just about any book /ic/ can recommend you.As far as styles, I don't really have preference. If something is painted well, chances are I'll like it.
Besides your tastes change with time.An artist that I like now I might not like 5 years from now. etc.

>>2362229
James Gourney's Color and light
Richard Schmidt 's Alla prima
and Sargent's notes
Also right now I'm reading "The Art spirit" seems pretty good too
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>>2362247
i'm not stylizing that's what drawings look like when you are learning the right way.

>>2362245
you cannot tell form, light, or learn how to work from a model from a photograph all the information in that drawing is stuff you need a live model in front of you to create. it's not an illustration.
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>>2362303
what the fuck is the obesssion with drawing fat people, the forms are fucking lackluster and an excuse for not being able to draw or paint.
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>>2362292
>the right way

There is no "right way" And Im pretty sure the model's hands aren't ones of a 12 yearold.
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>>2360517
not the poster, but actually hugos face is actually supposed to look like its been hit by a shovel. In fact it doesnt look like its been hit by a shovel enough.
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>>2362308
how is there no right way? what kind of hippie shit is that? I'm guessing 2+2=5 for you too?
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>>2362129
This gave me some incentive to do some muscle practice. Haven't done a lot of studies in a while and this got me to flex those muscles (hee hee)
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>>2362307
>b-but my art
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>>2362310
autism? this is an industry where the context doesnt even have to define what you're doing. shit, even archetypal genres allow you to break the rules.

Are you man kinds failed attempt an AI?

Stop trying to do art if you think this way. Seriously, you're entire path is riddled with frustration and pain the likes of which you wont even be able to comprehend why.
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>>2362266
If this drawing is any indication of your skill level then you really need to learn your fundies. I know it sucks to hear but start making a habit of studying. I don't know what it's like in the beginner thread but there really is nothing short of completely re drawing your picture that anyone here could do to help, and frankly, doing all the work for you is not going to help you.
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>>2362207
Ive seen your work a lot, and while I admire your hatching/shading techniques and your delicate linework, I strongly recommend you work on proportion. Its obviously your weakest area and it works against everything you draw.
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>>2362313
NO FUCK YOU, YOU HAVE SHIT TASTE
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>>2362292
Don't listen to those anon's they're just trying to be picky. Your picture was a good observational drawing.
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>>2362312
cheers ,buddy, nice colors.
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>>2362326
hands look too small though
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>>2362312
I can get on board with more of this
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>>2362316
>the context doesnt even have to define what you're doing
what?
>archetypal genres allow you to break the rules
what?
>Are you man kinds failed attempt an AI
what?
>Stop trying to do art if you think this way
no
>you're entire path is riddled with frustration and pain the likes of which you wont even be able to comprehend why
i think i get what you're trying to say here. you're projecting, which is always fun. but no, art comes very easily to me, and i take great enjoyment from it because I feel validated in how I'm doing it. the only frustration I have is with people like you that tell me I hate myself, and won't acknowledge when something looks good. You'd rather I make all my money after I die. Have some empathy.

>>2362326
yup. but thank you.
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>>2362245
hey, as an animator i have to disagree with you somewhat. when we go to figure drawing classes we never just copy the model exactly, we're always looking for ways to push the pose so that it reads better and has some kind of narrative. drawing a live model is much better than drawing from a photo because the model is alive, there's nuances to their pose, they don't hold it exactly and move around a bit even when they're trying to stay absolutely still. it's more direct.

just because someone didn't nail the pose exactly doesn't mean they weren't drawing from observation.

on the flip side, i can see what you're saying with this piece: it doesn't seem like they were going for some kind of cool narrative illustration, but were just trying to copy the model. i just feel that telling someone not to bother with a figure drawing session because they're not going to draw the model as they appear in real life is fairly close-minded.
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How much money should one charge for a piece like this?
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>>2362342
none, its shit
shitty gradients
no light
awful colors
shitty composition
model has no variety
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>>2362339
>rawing a live model is much better than drawing from a photo
fucking autists i swear, there is no fucking difference.
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>>2362348
/ic/ you never cease to amaze me...
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>>2362261
No need to say sorry, only reason to say sorry is not improving.

>>2362286
Thanks for the book list man!
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>>2362351
shut up trad fag, Your pretentious words of false enlightenment always amaze me.
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>>2362348
The difference is that the model changes position, you can see the strain on their muscles, see the weight distribution, you change your point of view, you can move around, see the 3d shape and use ALL of that information available to enhance your understanding of what you're seeing. If you want to fucking copy an image exactly go fucking trace it. An artist want's to KNOW what he's seeing and why it is the way it is. That's the purpose of life drawing.
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>>2362342
Prolly a few hundred bucks. But like >>2362347
said, could be better.
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>>2362348
i can respect your opinion, but i disagree. i think that you can absolutely draw from both, but there is definitely a difference between sitting at home in front of your computer and drawing the figure and being in a studio with someone in front of you posing. if you were to offer me a live drawing session or a bunch of photos to draw from, i'd of course pick the model.
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>>2362359
>>2362366
I really hope youre kidding. I bet your work still looks like shit when observing these "live models". I have "live models" everywhere in my house hold. yeah, they are right in front of my face too. these models are also quirky and jiggle around here and there, but does that improve my arnt? just because they move? no. My art improves because i focus intently on form, not on pretentious notions of arbitrary motion.
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>>2358869
classic "I got really good at faces and hoped people wouldn't notice the less interesting parts" syndrome
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>>2362369
dude... you're getting dangerously close to needing to post your work cause you sound absolutely crazy
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>>2359777

the lady in the pink looks like a dude
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oops just noticed this one was way too big. heres a properly sized one.
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>>2362335
Actually you autistic retard I'm telling you that inflexibility is an art killer. I wasn't projecting about anything. Do you even have an idea about what the words your trying to say mean?
>the literal definition of autism
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>>2362398
Your picture makes me angry, maybe it's because you're posting this shit so much
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>>2360474

that is not "done"

i hate you digital artists
fuckin smudgy no-definition no-texture assholes getting jobs and flooding my artstation with your incomplete work
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>>2361473
>it's not worth the trouble

HA
only posting on 4chan is worth the trouble right muh man?
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>>2362405
no tools only rules
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>>2362390
18 minutes, began on it as soon as you replied

lets see what you can do from imagination
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>>2362369
You really do sound completely crazy. This is me:>>2362312

I did live models 3 or 4 times a week for about 4 years at art school. I know a thing or two about live vs photo drawing. Weird how I learned more from life than photos. i wonder why that is?
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>>2362412
It's not worth the trouble because it's a shitty commission I don't care about, the shadow is accurate enough, but I like to get a second opinion. So if you're not going to bother, stop wasting our time by arguing it.

That said I'd love to here what you think of the shadow, good or bad! Thanks!
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>>2362317
for the record, the beginner thread is great place for Cc!
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>>2362420
here this took about 120 seconds. cool your jets anon
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>>2362436
What's Cc?
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>>2362438
I knew I would get some half assed reply. Whatever, im going back to actually learning how to draw and not rely on shitty pretentious words like yours.
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>>2362446
... oh constructive criticism. got it.
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>>2362447
Her head shouldn't be able to bend like that.
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>>2361703
>>2361686
Thanks you guys. You've helped me A LOT. And that ribbon technique simplifies things a lot for me.

>>2361965
I'm working from an original design by somebody else(pic related), so I interpreted it as skin but I'll give it a shot anon, thanks.
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I'm too tired to bug around with this thing any more, but what are some things that seem wrong/stand out?
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>>2362542
Values look a tad muddy to me but I do think that hair looks wonderful.
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Wip. Acryllic. Taken with HD potato.

Still dont know quite if i should make it into a wallpaper using PS to clean up after im done.

I would place this in.. abstract ?

Pointers ?
Niggers ?
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>>2362542
the ear is fucked(placement)
the eyes made me kek because of placement and the lack of just effort to make it look like an eye
lips are tiny and lack form
noses are at a 90 degree angle yours is oddly connected
hair lacks form
colors are muddy(mainly because your values are muddy>>2362546)
neck is short(im looking at the distance between chin and clavicle)
your edges are not blended(painting with opacity,paint with flow instead)
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>>2362548
Could you do a redline of the face?
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>>2358648
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>>2362542
If you're using a pic as ref why don't you post it too?
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>>2362570
There you go
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>>2362572
>>2362542

Lmfao I couldn't tell she was Asian in your painting. Anyway, I'm seeing a lot of symbol drawing and a lack of understanding of the individual parts of the face. The lips are a dead give away for that. Also, either raise her face or lower her ear.
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>>2362578
Sweet, thanks for the advice. I'm going to go study faces now (legitimate studies are probably what I should've been doing a while ago).
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>>2362572
I think what you should do is overlay the photo with your painting. Have it on a separate layer so you can switch it on and off to see what you're doing wrong. Like the other guy I didn't know she was asian until I saw this reference. I don't think you should trace but you should more closely compare your picture with the ref.


Apart from that, for the sake of clarity you should either use a light background color as in the reference, or add some sort of gradient so that it's darker or lighter toward her hair. Something to give the background more contrast as right now it's too similar to her hair color and it just muddy's up the whole picture.
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>>2362566
Your biggest issue isnt anatomy, but painting. Learn to paint, if you cant paint then just go back to constructive drawing. otherwise youre wasting time.
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>>2362595
>"if you can't paint stop painting" -/ic/
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>>2362597
Where in that entire paragraph did i say that? i said if i cant paint he should spend more time constructing if his forms are that fucked.
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>>2362599
he*
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Morgan Freeman study
Is he laughing? Is he crying? I don't know.
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>>2362650
hes reacting to you painting of him laughing or crying
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>>2362650
Man, you fucked up, perspective is all kinds of fucked on his face.
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>>2362342
Zero, majority of lewd art is zero in general.
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>>2361406


nice work bozko san
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advice on this? I'm trying to improve my anatomy and shading. I used posemaniacs as reference.
I'm not convinced that the shading is accurate.
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>>2361140
I like the 5th one, it's more interesting than just having her lean/sit on it.
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>>2362307
>First time I draw a fat person
>Gets shit on because I'm being obssesed with drawing fat people.
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>>2362763
Short answer? Your anatomy is bad. BUT considering how stupid hard that pose is I don't think you did too bad. I'm not sure mine is perfect but I did fix a bunch of things.
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>>2363018
Thanks dude. I really appreciate your time and advice, that does look a lot more natural.
I don't think I'll use posemaniacs for learning anymore. I'll stick to photos and life drawing for reference.
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just some apples for tonight
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>>2363071
I love this but I hate the fact that I can tell it's digital, you should've used a slightly fuller brush.
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heyo :)
some random anon makes these cute drawings so i colored one :D
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>>2362369
Your response is literally "it didn't work for me so why should it work for you."
Also to add on there's indisputable fact that your eye can process so much more colors and values than a photograph which obviously has a limit. The thing about painting from photos and life is that the photos have already done the decision-making for you as far as color relationships and value levels go (from exposure and such), which makes it a lot easier than painting from life.
I actually thought this was a troll but then you posted your art and now actualy I'm worried
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>>2362567
for some reason i colored this for you
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Study study. Felt quite nice doing it.
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>>2360206
some more progress.
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>>2363426
do you not see how awful proportions are, especially the neck?
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>>2363246
no one gives a fuck how you feel, faggot. we are not your mom.
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>>2363493
>judging accuracy of proportions on a drawing that you haven't seen the reference for

Please don't do this.

>>2363494
>Not Your Blog Internet Defense Force

Easy there tiger.
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>>2362599
you won't learn to paint better by doing (constructive) drawing.
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>>2363488

Tastefully pixelated. also nice contre jour.
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>>2362595
yours is flatter, has MASSIVE chin, deviated from reference with your 'muh style'
please don't give advice ever again
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>>2363496
i haven't seen reference, but i assure you unless she's anorexic with rhabdomylosis, you are drawing it wrong.
protip: overlap it with reference to see where you went wrong, or post ref and i'll do it for you.
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>>2362507
>>2361685

Update. I tried to add textures to the horns but that's when I realized I don't really know how, so I scrapped it. I'll do more research on it today.
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>>2361547
holy shit, that shoulder
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>>2361401
i like this, makes me think.
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>>2362102
I drew a naked guy with pencil and drew the armour with pen if that's what you mean
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>>2363650

New Thread
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>>2361246
More?
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Drawing some wangs on my stream, what do you guys think of the meatsticks?
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