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HE TRAIN FROM CHILD
10k PER MONTH

>tfw fat, broke kv NEE (Training 4 art)
>tfw already fucking 24 yo
>tfw no japanese high schoolers wet for my art and money

How do I catch up /ic/?

Im seriously willing to do anything.
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>>2355854
Just draw, like, right now, don't stop.
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>>2355857
>Were it so easy
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>>2355854
>ilya t-traces all his work!

/ic/ BTFO once again
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>>2355854
Draw all the time faggot.
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Just give up, man.
Find a more productive thing to do.
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>>2355854
>ITT: plebs thinking he really did that at 12 when he can't draw a proper face or hand without reference today.
>people thinking a 12yo writes in italic
>people thinking it changes the fact that he can't draw a single thing without refs or tracing.

damn /ic/ is not smart.
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There is no way he did that when he was 12-13, the fact he had to mention it makes him sound like a faggot even if it is true.

Also even if he did do it then, his art now is shit. Clearly his fundamentals didnt teach him to make good art
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>>2355854
>but kr0n told me it was true, it has to be!
If he lies about tracing, he surely lies about his past works. Pic related is from 2009, note the difference in how he hatches between those and this image.
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>>2355911
>>2355854
Ayy where did his hatches go? kek.
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>>2355911
BTFO
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>>2355901
why the hell 12 yo can't write in italic for some reason? is this bait? in russia we learn to write this way since 1st grade.
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>>2355911
Whew lad
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> 12 years old
> draw this >>2355854

> 18 years old
> draws this >>2355911

No fucking way, that hatching on the skirt and in the background looks horrendous as hell, no way he got that worst in 6 years.

I don't mind believing he was that good at this age, but literally nothing today and with this older drawing shows that's true.
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By Illya, all from 2008.
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>>2355929
Shit, meant 2009.
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>>2355930
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>>2355931
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>>2355929
>>2355930
>>2355931
>>2355932
>yfw suckers that will still defend his lies anyway
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>>2355937
>drawing stylized shit from imagination after academic study
He studied in Surikov institute. Architecture.
Is in US art education really so weak? This is >>2355854 average entry exams for shitty college. People should draw like this in 15-16 yo. In my school there was art circle where 10 -14 yers old kids study art and draw sekkou boys from life. Jesus, I need time machine.
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>>2355954
Post your works.
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>>2355954
He applied absolutely none of what he "learned" to his stylized pieces. That's not odd to you?
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>>2355901
Russian here. Kids are being taught to write italic since like kindergarten. Then throughout first 5 years of school
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>>2355901
>>2355960

Wait you guys call cursive writing italics?
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>>2355962
I don't know, I've never talked about нaпиcaниe пpoпиcью in English.
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>>2355964
Here in SEA: Public schools taught cursive writing around the same age as you guys.
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>>2355958
I didn't go to school art circle. That's why I need time machine.
>>2355959
Nope.
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>>2355976
> Nope.

Just say you don't know what you're talking about.
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>>2355977
Sure you knows better, huesosina :^
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http://www.lizalegina.com/#!lifestyle/c14ak
Some of the works he posted seems to be on this page.

Text on the left :
ELIZABETH ZALEGINA
TEACHER
working high school students

> 12-13 years old
> high school
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>>2355981
>paбoты лицeиcтoв
>high school
Nope. She teach kids and students.
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>>2355978
>shilling for a known liar and hypocrite
Does he reward you with vodka or semen?
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>>2355982
well, fuck google translate then.
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>>2355983
Vodka
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>>2355911
Kekerino's
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I'm not saying it's not possible, probably there are several kids who draw like this at 12

But in his case he's lying. Most e-famous artists are hacks and liars until proven otherwise
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>>2355993
Not lie. MAХЛ PAХ - art school for kids. Google.
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>>2355997

It makes no sense to lose all your ability in line confidence and cross hatching. This skill does not vanish over time. I know kids can be that good at rendering at a young age if forced into it (see pic), but this person has not been
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>>2356012
wish my parents forced me to do shit like that
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>>2355854
12-13 isn't impressive. should start when you're 4-6 years old. by the time you're 16, you've already practiced for a decade.
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>>2355925
We need to consider that many artists can make nice reproductions with references, but can't do shit without them.
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>>2356012
>It makes no sense to lose all your ability in line confidence and cross hatching.
http://kuvshinov-ilya.deviantart.com/gallery/45525401/Old?offset=48
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>>2355925
Drawing from life is easy. Drawing from imagination is hard. Ateliers and fine art schools are full of kids who can do pretty impressive still lifes but couldn't draw any decent figure from imagination. Much like /ic/ actually.
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>>2356025
>Drawing from life is easy

Post your work.
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>>2356012
>It makes no sense to lose all your ability in line confidence and cross hatching.

Fine artists learn to copy what's in front of them. There are thousands of artists who can do a nice pencil rendering from reference who can't draw shit from imagination. Not to mention that drawing digitally is much harder than drawing with pencil on paper when it comes to hatching and line confidence. So obviously his pencil drawings from observation look much better than his early digital work from imagination.

Seriously, how new to art are you? Most people can do decent looking studies within the first 6 or so months of picking up art, but are completely terrible for several years when it comes to drawing from imagination. Some never get good at it at all and stick to copying what they see.
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>>2356037
see
>>2355911
hatching is clearly done with a pencil and it's beginner tier

I'm shit when it comes to drawing from imagination but at least I learned something about crosshatching after drawing still life with a teacher
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>>2356025
>>2356033
It's not easy, not at all, but it sure requires a completely different set of skills.

Yes, you can learn while drawing from life, it's one of the best ways to learn indeed, but only if you try to understand the forms you're drawing instead of simply copying.
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>>2356023
>>2356037
>>2356056
Exactly that.
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>>2356049
You're comparing a quick, shitty doodle of his to a several hour long, finished still life. I don't see any amazing hatching skills in his still lifes either to be honest. They are just decent, finished renderings. The skill difference between his life drawings and his work from imagination is pretty much what I would expect from most fine art students who spend 99% of their time copying what's in front of them.

Have you watched Proko's christmas special a year or 2 ago where he painted a reindeer from imagination? Yeah, that's the skill level of fine artists who never exercise drawing from imagination. The difference between their pencil work from life and their work from imagination is like night and day. There are hundreds of thousands of these type of artists. Why do you think all art directors explicitly say they don't want to see life drawings and studies in portfolios?
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>>2355901
>"italics"
>mfw we were taught cursive throughout primary education

Still though top heh >>2355911
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Nice Kron thread, should I dump some pics?
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>>2356073
It's funny that he says he traces when his style looks exactly like SS
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>>2356072
>>2356073
>Studies are cheating!
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>>2356073
This pic is very bad and was made for shitposting purpose. All those pics were not traced, because you can watch his process on video.
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>>2356100
>studies
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How come people on this board suck this hard at drawing?

How can a kid be so much better than everyone here? And we're not talking about some prodigy here, he's normal
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>>2356072
>>2356073
I really feel like a lot of these are totally okay artistically.. like the one of Hermione, Rachael (Blade Runner), the girl in the grey sweater and the cosplay ref... But I guess part of the problem is that he sold most of these as prints, which would conflict with some copyrights.
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>>2356102
having it open on another screen while you copy it directly line for line is basically tracing.
>>2356100
>studies
studies imply its for yourself and kept to yourself, and if shown to others you explicitly state it was a study of X
studies are not
>post image on X gallery
>enjoy the likes and follows, and possibly income
>get called out for it
>i-it was just studies guys, i-it was just for me!
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>>2356100
>>2356102
Then why the fuck does /ic/ yell "He's tracing!" every time he's mentioned?
Did you even look at the pic? The overlay matches the pictures he "studied" almost perfectly.
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>>2356105
>How come people on this board suck this hard at drawing?
Begin with yourself first
>>2356106
>copyrights
>/ic/
ayy
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>>2356109
That neck though.
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>>2356107
>having it open on another screen while you copy it directly line for line is basically tracing.
TOPKEK
>>2356108
>Then why the fuck does /ic/ yell "He's tracing!" every time he's mentioned?
Maybe because of same reason why 90% /ic/ can't even download torrents? Watch his video
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>>2356110
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>>2356105
>>2356109
git gud faggots
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>>2356122
blog?
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>>2356119
dat gyno
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>>2356123
gitgudfaggots.tumblr.com
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>>2356122

This could be 15 years + 1 hour apart
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>>2356107
He did call them studies, which negates your entire point, but rather than look it up you decided to believe some anonymous guy on the internet because he made a picture in mspaint
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>>2356127
couldn't find it
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>>2356139
You're not supposed to sell studies, that's the problem here.
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>>2356146
Why are there no screenshots of him selling the studies?
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>>2356148
Because there is but you can't search for shit.
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>>2356154
Kr0nfags

BTFO
T
F
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>>2356154
That's not a study, that's an original piece with an animation cel used as a reference. While it's firmly in his comfort zone, it's certainly not a trace or a copy.
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>>2356159
Sure.
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>>2356154
People who buy it are the real idiots. He can sell whatever he wants.
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>>2356162
well i'd rather have his thing on my wall than the original thing
(althought i'd never put animugrills on my wall)
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>>2356159
>>2356148
>>2356139
Different anon
As much as I would hate to see you dig your grave deeper I will personally say that Krons work does look good and at least he adds more facial features and a painterly style to his art.
The problem I have is him being a hypocrite calling others out when he does the same.

Why /ic/ decides to roast on him and Sakimichi when they could be drawing is beyond me, these threads are just as bad as the E-clebs on /v/
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>>2356139
Except he was selling them and called them that after he was called out for it.
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>>2356162
I stand by what I said. This isn't like that middle eastern guy who runs photographs through a filter, don't be autistic, there's obviously a huge difference between the two pictures even if the silhouette is very similar.
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>>2356169
>he didn't sell them
>posts picture of him selling it
>w-well its not a copy
>shows original
>w-well its better! fuck you!
god this is hilarious.
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>>2356173
>there's obviously a huge difference between the two pictures even if the silhouette is very similar.

You can't be that retarded. The lines aside from the sameface are exactly the same shit, and even the shading have lots of parts like the tits that are pretty much the same shit.
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>having autistic arguments rather than drawing

And before you say it, I'm on a short break.


Faggots.
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>>2356177
>Faggots.
This. Everybody knows kron is a liar, stop wasting your time
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>>2356107
>having it open on another screen while you copy it directly line for line is basically tracing.

Why do I go on this website.
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>>2356037
You've never studied fine arts didn't you
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>>2356012
>tfw never got taught like this
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>>2356173
Try harder. Kr0n videos already on torrents.
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>>2356170
>The problem I have is him being a hypocrite calling others out when he does the same.
>2011
I don't think you should take his words seriously. He was 21 years old after all
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reminder that the kron defense force could be giving you advice or asking you to post your art the next thread
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>>2356204
>kron defense force
Sure :^
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>>2355854
He was taught from childhood, he wasn't training on his own. He had someone there to show him how since the start.
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>>2356203
>2011
>People still bring it up 5 years later
Damn, fair enough
>>2356204
>>2356206
Reminder you could be drawing instead of shitposting in an e-celeb thread ;^)
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>>2356204
>the kron defense force could be giving you advice or asking you to post your art the next thread

I'm not worrying about posting my work, what I am worried about is that they just very well may be giving advice to other unsuspecting Anons.
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>>2356176
>the lines aside from the sameface are exactly the same shit

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Her arm is longer, the finger near her gooch is different, she has a more pronounced clavicle, a visible deltoid muscle, as well as knuckles and her hair isn't 1:1 either-to say nothing of the lighting and rendering which is obviously completely different throughout with few exceptions..

>in before "none of that matters"

Just admit have shit observational skills.

>>2356204
>reminder that blind underage memerinos that obsess over internet celebrities when they should be drawing could be giving you advice or asking you to post your art the next thread
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>>2356222
Dude he even copied the exact same folds in her clothes, holy shit
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we russians can be stronger sometimes
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>>2356229
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Just ask yourself /ic/?

Who's making 10k per month and who's on a Cantonese snicker doodle board?
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I doubt anyone actuallys wants to study fine arts even if you want to use it to get good for your personal stuff. This shit is soul crushingly boring and kills your art drive,and it doesn't even help me draw cute anime girls.

just a personal experience is all, been studying fine arts as long as I remembered,pic related was done 2 years ago in high school
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>>2356119

Mark Zuckerberg...wtf
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>>2355854
What you should do is get a real job, wake up at the age of 40 and realize that you hate your job, quit, get good to professional standards within 4 years, and become Jama Jurabaev.
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>>2355901
>can't draw a proper face or hand without reference today
what the fuck are you even saying anon im pretty sure OP's pic are all still life drawings.
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>>2356170
>Why /ic/ decides to roast on him and Sakimichi when they could be drawing is beyond me, these threads are just as bad as the E-clebs on /v/

Artist from way centuries ago, did they copy other artist works as well? If they did we would have a lot of Mona Lisas from diff. artist calling it a work of art.
The reason Anons here roast Sakimichi, IIya, and others is that they are great artist painting/drawing but they spend time recreating other peoples IP characters. On top of it selling those "fanworks" or whatever they call them for profit. They may be able to get away with it since they probably aren't in the U.S..
While aspiring artist or other struggling artist are advised to be original and to not infringe or break any IP copyright laws.
No matter what artistic industry or field an Artist is in, Anons here express that artist should always strife for originality.
But artist like Sakimichi, IIya, and others from the evidence and research provided in these types of threads they lack originality.

P.S. Does anyone know what kron looks like? doesn't seem he wants to be taken a picture of? I wonder why?

>>2356248
>Ask yourself that same question too.

>>2356396
>Pic related.
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>>2356432
>P.S. Does anyone know what kron looks like? doesn't seem he wants to be taken a picture of? I wonder why?
think there was one at least, he just looks like an average otaku
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>>2356432

He has two selfportraits published damn it!

About the bashing he already explained himself here.

However instead of using that opportunity to learn from kron and maybe pick up tips about how to market onself you chose to arrass him (pic related).

No wonder this place can´t improve, fucking trolls ruined it.
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>>2356432
>Art Rules
>TPP copyright muh fanart
>muh industry
Don't try to tell artist what they need to draw, shitter. And fan art industry lives in Japan perfectly fine. Anons here roast Sakimichi, IIya because of envy and dunning kruger effect. And most people here are 20 yo kids. So enjoy fanposting and relax. It's relieves stress after drawing.
>Artist from way centuries ago, did they copy other artist works as well?
Yes.
>P.S. Does anyone know what kron looks like? doesn't seem he wants to be taken a picture of? I wonder why?
As I expected - reddit shitter and newfag
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>>2356460
>someone believed in my RP
Maкcимaльный кeк
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>>2356461
You'd be surprised how many plebbitors surf this board. I see stuff from here on there all the time.
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>>2356467

Fuck you troll!

Kr0n plz come back, ignore the losers we wanna learn from you more than those parrot losers that repeats Loomis like crazy and can´t draw shit...
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>>2356507
You're bad at RP and your writing style sucks. Try to steal some pixiv sketches and pretend as being pro artist. It's works better and you can give bad advices for keks
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>>2356432
he looks pretty old for 44. wtf was jack kirby doing up until then? how many packs a day!?
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>>2356519

What tha fuck is RP anyway?

steal what? are you on drugs homie?

Non sequitir as fuck!
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>>2356531
RP means roleplaying
like when a bunch of nerd virgins pretend to be wizards and roll dice.
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>>2356554

Oh I understand. Trying to convince yourself of that so you can´t avoid taking responisibilty on treating a successful artist (Ilya) like shit.

He handled that like a gentleman no wonder he deserved his pen-name a true "prince of the crown". A kronprinz.
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>>2355959
It's odd to you because you still believe the bullshit /ic/ narrative where being good at fundamentals means you'll be good at stylization.
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>>2356432
There were actually artists commissioned to make replica masterpieces from other artists in different sizes because printing didn't exist yet.
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>>2356072
>>2356073
>Kron learns stylization, humility and marketing
>/ic/ learns shit.
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>>2356109
firez is better.
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>>2356105
pencil/charcoal photo copies is pretty much the definition of highschool art.

Its a bad way to judge skill. Literally every artist in the world can do by that age.
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>>2356012

> that picture

jesus fucking christ what
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>>2356432
>While aspiring artist or other struggling artist are advised to be original and to not infringe or break any IP copyright laws.
It's not their fault you chose to drik the kikke's load.
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>>2355854
If you think this is good you're decades away from making it, it's kids art and not particularily gifted kids, just average high-school art level outside the US.
It really isn't strange at all, he's just another drone that had to reprogram himself to be able to draw the chinese cartoons he wanted to draw after years of being told "just Loomis man, everything is possible with Loomis" and then realizing he didn't know shit about design.
Instead of learning design through study he traced, got caught, apologized, made even more fans, and is now living confy drawing his chinese cartoons and comic covers.

The only thing not average about this story is how much money he makes, and how much /ic/ shitposts about him which may have to do with how much money he makes.
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>>2356019
there was a kid at ringling that had studied art in schools like that his entire life.

He could render like a mother fucker. But he just had absolutely no creativity at all. All of his illustrations looked amazing but were completely lacking any originality or soul. It was the saddest thing I had ever seen.

You can learn a lot just by grinding studies and art. But there are just some things you can't learn through academics.
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>>2357041

Then how is it possible to train an imagination? Or are you fucked if you cant do it by now?
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>>2356398
He means he should have by now developed the skill to draw faces on his own. Yet he still uses references and practically cartoonizes the images.
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I was reading mysterious girlfriend x recently (protip: the adaption is kind of shit) and noticed this after looking for fanart. Makes me wonder how much is just copied shit in his portfolios (the old one with his old edgier name whatever it was and under kronz). I know he copies from anime screen shots, scanned manga pages, artbook pages, movie screenshots and flickr photos.
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>>2357057

Start building that visual library. Drawing what you see and committing that to memory in order to serve as a tool for your own problem solving are two different things. It's like, what would help you learn more: copying down answers given to you just so you can say you wrote them down, or looking for answers to the questions you have so that you better understand your subject of study?
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>>2357077
He even draws the same thing over and over again.

Like, he is the biggest hack and one-trick pony i've seen that actually gets traffic.
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>>2357057
don't you have something unique or interesting in your brain that you want to draw? if you can make something without having resort to staring at pre existant things then that would be a good start
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>>2357117

Interesting to me yes, but I don't know where to draw 'unique' things from. I find it really difficult to form a finished piece or to know how to construct an environment or anything, I end up just staring at a blank page and doing bargue plates or drawing from a reference.

>>2357079

I'm trying to do this now. Feels like a lost cause though
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>>2356100
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>>2355854
Come to /x/. We'll set you up with a blood contract.
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>>2355901
>>people thinking a 12yo writes in italic
we learnt cursive/running writing in like 4th grade.
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>>2356109
who drew that and where can i see more of their works? tried reverse image searching and it just took me to some /a/ archives with no sauce.
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>>2357129
>credit

lmao no. The whole point is stealing so good no one can tell you did it.
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What about sakimichan? Does she trace too? Is there an image like >>2356072 of her art, or what's the problem?
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>>2357249
Nah, Sakimichan doesn't trace or copy.
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>>2357077
He's shitter. Compared to any jap artist I follow he's shit who can't draw anything without hard reference.
>>2357218
Attall. I'm glad he's daijoubu
http://attalllog.tumblr.com
https://twitter.com/attall139
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>>2356105
Oh the first picture is from imagination and the 2nd is a photocopy. How does that show any progression at all? Show 2 photocopies or 2 from imagination. Anyone on this board can get the same progression in a day if they wanted to. Just do a quick 15 minute sketch from imagination and spend the rest of the day grinding on a B&W photo. BOOM INSTANT PROGRESSION. So skilled! Amazing artist!!
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>>2357311

>this animeshitter is better than this animeshitter

haha
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>>2357416
so this is just fancy tracing right?
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>>2357402
What about now?
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>>2357470
it barely qualifies as tracing, hands and background are just filtered
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>>2357402
What? Try /pol/, amigo
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>>2357416
>trying image search
>mfw
What the fuck google?
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>>2357506
If you're after the model, she's Lenfried.
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