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what is upa?

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>>3041450
No but you can always read John K's blog. He parodied the UPA style in the fake commercials and bumpers in Ren and Stimpy and it ended up influencing a lot of cartoons in the 90s (Dexter's Lab, Power Puff Girls and Samurai Jack). I think he wrote that this was regrettable and that the original UPA style only looked good because the artists started out drawing traditional cartoons.

>>3041450
You draw traditionally and pretty much abstract the pose from there into a flat design. A lot of the contemporary UPA imitators got it backwards and made very stiff cartoons as a result.
If you look at cartoons from the early 1940s to the later 1940s you see the natural progression of the traditional style getting more angular up until it gets full on UPA. So just get the Preston Blair book to learn traditional fundamentals first.

Well, everything is a meritocracy in that sense. If you're really really good at something, someone will be willing to pay you to do that really really good thing.

>>3046340
That is true, and that's why I like it so much. Its not perfect but it is more so a meritocracy than other career paths.
its honest and thats what I like about it.
Still, talent DOES come into play, but not by as much as everyone thinks. Most people kind of fall in between being moderately talents or moderately untalented, theres not many people who are extremely talented and don't have to do any work or people who are extremely inept who have to work thousnads of hours and get almost no where. Its like a bell curve.

>>3046604
My point was that art is more meritocracy than other fields where you don't have to provide a concrete product and being somebody's family means you have a high salary for doing fuckall.

Apparently one person ITT agrees. >>3046608

>>3046024
if you fail at a small comic it's a small failure.

Fail at a big comic and nobody's gonna take the time to wait for you to be good.
First few moments are everything for viewer retention.
People just sorta automatically keep flipping after the first few good pages.

The hardest part of a comic imo is the background/environment art.

>>3046029
That being said since the barr for webcomics is so low, you can do a "meh" job and gradually improve it over time.

Writing has to draw people in though.
if you're bad at writing the safest way to keep people is just by being really vague early on.
One Piece and Adventure Time do something similar.. They leave a bunch of vague background details and make it important later.

>>3046034
>>3046029

Okay so here is the thing. I made a short gag comic in the beginning of the year, I realized I was shit in backgrounds, story telling, expressions, composition, etc.

I've been practicing those weaknesses for the past 3 months and I've gotten better at it. I'm currently working on a script for a horror comic but unlike a gag comic, writing is a lot more important and with every edit I make to the script, I feel like it's improving. But at the same time, I feel like I might end up working on this thing forever. Do you think it's better to just force myself to start it and learn backgrounds and all that shit on the go or wait till the end of the year where I think I'll be a lot more comfortable starting the story.

fucking stop ruining the magic

>>3044855
1) this proves that no one checks the sticky since barely anyone has noticed
2) Christmas is another 5 months away, might as well leave it up now.

>>3044855
Now they removed it Thanks asshole

>>3043858
What is the problem?

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brewer grid

>hey anon can you do live drawing for our wedding? we love your drawing online
>s-sorry I only do digital

that you are a pathetic 13 year old faggot with nothing better to do, or someone with a low selfesteem probably unemployed and with a miserable outlook on life with no friends, who comes here for any semblance of personal contact just to not killyourself from loneliness. sage and fuck off

>>3045938
it's a cry for help, you're trying to tell us that you live a meaningless life and that your search for meaning has led nowhere.

first you looked for meaning in yourself and found nothing, then you looked for meaning in others and found nothing, you looked for meaning in confused racial outrage (a child of your times), and in money, and in eschewing the trappings of wealth, and still you found nothing.

now you are alone on the internet, dressed in the rotten fragments of culture snatched from the torrent of information which rages past your computer screen.

alone in the vast and grey wilderness of nothing.

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>>3045938
YOU DID IT AGAIN?

*closes the door and locks it*

WHAT DID I TELL YOU, NEWFAG? WHAT THE *FUCK* DID I TELL YOU LAST TIME?

*undos belt*
*grabs you from behind*

STOP MAKING YOUR OWN FUCKING THREADS!

*throws you on the couch*
*starts beating you with the belt*
*smack*
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STOP *smack* MAKING *smack* YOUR *smack* OWN *smack* THREADS!!

READ THE FUCKING STICKY! *smack*

POST IN THREADS THAT ALREADY EXIST!!! *smack*

*you're bleeding and crying now*
*smack*
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GET *smack* IT THROUGH *smack* YOUR SKULL!! *smack*

YOU'RE WHY MOMMY LEFT, YOU FUCKING IDIOT!! *smack*

STOP MAKING ME DO THIS!! *smack*

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FUCK!!

*throws you to the ground*
*you lay in a heap sobbing*
*reties belt*

I HAD BETTER NOT SEE ANOTHER *FUCKING* THREAD FROM YOU AGAIN. YOU POST IN THAT GODDAMNED /BEG/ THREAD WITH YOUR RETARD FRIENDS AND YOU DON'T COME OUT AGAIN!! YOU UNDERSTAND ME?!!!

*unlocks door*
*leaves you to find the loomis books*

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tl;dw:
>look at your drawings with a critical eye
>surround yourself with people who are better than you
>don't talk back to criticism
>analyze the criticism and make the most out of it
basically don't be a Dobson. Not very eye-opening, tbqh.

>>3039096
Yep, that's pretty much it.
It doesn't have to be an eye-opening revelation. These are just ideas that if people on this board took to heart, there would be a lot more productivity and less rage/shitposting/off-topic threads/replies.

>>3039139
it's 4chan, you won't change the culture of this shithole, but there are a lot of places online where you could find this kind of criticism

Perspective isn't actually an obvious thing unless someone tells you about it.

A lot of artists did detailed stuff but until one-point perspective was invented it all looked kind of flat and silly. You can't even construct properly if you don't know about perspective and what it does.

The realistic stuff was sculpted

Also what you posted is a drawing copied from a photo, obviously that was impossible when photography was not invented yet.

>>3046465
Have you seen most of /ic/? These dudes already have books and education and internet to help them out and they still can't achieve realism.

Now imagine if you have no point of reference whatsoever.

you disgust me

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>>3023617
that fuggin sucks, your oppinion meant everything to me anon

>>3023612
i see we use the same desk, except o dont fill mine with trash.

>>3046376
buy it

I would brother. I really do, but my current situation is really bad.

Isn't it just translated version of Die Gestalt des Menschen?

i'm actually going to bid on it right now! what a great find op.

>>3045575
No-one can tell because his work was so childish and easy to fake.
Just like all those 'Lowrys' you get on eBay, too

>>3045575
It's small, the background is pretty simple, red is the only color, bad composition, drawing is weak as well, signature is really big and annoying. I'm pretty this is fake, if not then it's a really bad basquiat.

>>3046048
>I know hard is a relative question, but how hard is it in comparison to drawing fundamentals

Value is part of the fundamentals, and just like everything else it's as hard as you want it to be. Instead of worrying about how long it'll take to get "good" at it (you never will, that's the point) just get started on it right now. The time you spend putting it off is time you could have spent understanding the subject just a bit better, rather than knowing nothing at all.

>>3046048
>Do you think this is feasible in 1 month?

Stop giving yourself retarded deadlines. Just start now and some day you will get there.
If you work digitally it has in fact never been easier to learn values.

>>3046154
this

you don't become a master via tutorial

>>3043381
yes but i want to start the process of becoming a master.

>>3043382
proko is a good start, if you have a basic understanding of perspective.

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Here you go. Posting from mobile so I'm sure this will be a disaster but this thread was dead on arrival so whatevs

>>3041608
having an uncommon name/lastname makes singature easier.

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Nothing fancy, just my initials...

>>3040442
Yes, always. I'm making mugs and trying to elevate my handle skills. I don't want to post any now though.

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Ceramics is a tough medium.

>>3040442

No, but I'm thinking about getting into it. I just really cant be fucked signing up for some $70 class with a bunch of middle aged women so I have no idea where to start. Also I'd have to fire in an electric or gas kiln and everyone knows all the best pots come from wood firing