ALL THINGS ROMAN - SPQR

ah the mc donalds of hellenistic culture.

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>>2537896
stay mad.

Ave Caesar!

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RIP Constantinople

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TETSUDOOOO

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Any one else grow up reading dads Asterix comics?

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>>2539248
Fucking Crusaders and Turks

>>2539272

The whole story makes me so fucking mad

>Alexios Angelos asks the Crusaders for help in some petty power struggle
>the Pope specifically orders the kings not to attack Constantinople, and in fact tells them to not even go near the city
>they ignore him, and lie to their soldiers and telling them that the Pope has commanded them to attack Constantinople in the name of God
>the Crusaders sack the city
>first time it has EVER been sacked
>thousands of priceless books, artifacts,paintings, sculptures....all destroyed or looted
>Christian soldiers raping nuns, breaking holy relics, burning churches, defiling the tombs of saints
>Taking turns fucking prostitutes on the altar of the Hagia Sophia

Fucking bastards, all of them.

>>2539279
Blame the Venetians, the Doge took over the Crusade when they didn't raise enough money.

Greedy merchants...

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>>2539248
>>2539272
>>2539279
>>2539309

As far as I'm concerned, the Roman Empire was destroyed after the 3rd century AD crisis.

Everything after that was a fall from grace until the sack of Rome twice in the 5th century AD.

But it was a fun 800 years!

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>>2539272
>>2539279
One of the worst things Western civilization had ever done at that point in time, and we did it to ourselves. The Fourth Crusade was a fuckup in military, economic, religious, political, cultural, and pretty much every other way.
Fuck I'm mad now too

>>2539262
man i loved the movies

>>2539576
>Everything after that was a fall from grace until the sack of Rome twice in the 5th century AD.

Why do so many people just dismiss the 900+ years of Roman history after that? It's bizarre, the whole thing might as well have just vanished in the year 600 as far as modern culture is concerned.

>>2540126
The Western Roman Empire is popular because Europe and the US both like to claim it as part of their cultural heritage (just look at Washington DC).

The problem is that nobody wants to claim post-6th century Rome. It wasn't Catholic, so the mostly-Catholic West avoids it.The Greeks all seem to prefer their gay little city-states for some reason, and the Turks hate it because they're the ones who crushed it and because they associate it with "the West". Just look at that silly propaganda movie they made, where the Byzantines are all blonde white people (basically stand-ins for the evil decadent Westerners), the Turks are all noble heroes, and Sultan Mehmet is welcomed into Constantinople as a hero by the people and doesn't harm a hair on their heads.

>>2540133
*"It wasn't Catholic"=we associate it with Orthodox Christianity

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>>2540133

Or maybe because relative to the traditional Roman empire, the Byzantines were terrible at conquering: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GylVIyK6voU.

The Byzantine empire was mercilessly harassed by both the Arabic Caliphate, the Crusaders, and finally the Turks.

The actual Romans overcame almost all of their military enemies.

The Volsci. The Etruscans. The Latin League. Italy. Pyrrhus and the Greeks. Carthage and the Phoenicians. 750,000 Germans streaming over the Alps. Numidia. The Gauls. The Egyptians. The Judeans. Mesopotamia. The British Tribes. Numantia. Dacia. Even some of Germania.

All of this, starting from a small city located on several hills. All of this over the period of 500 years.

Not only this, but they unified most of these areas, Latinized them, stabilized them, and ultimately profited from their taxes and fighting-age men.

Comparing the Byzantines to the true Romani is an insult.

>>2539279
they had it coming
>massacre of latins
>shitton of debts

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>>2542510
this is the Ribchester Helmet is a Roman bronze ceremonial helmet dating to between the late 1st and early 2nd centuries AD, which is now on display at the British Museum. It was found in Ribchester, Lancashire, England in 1796

>>2540571
>not paying debts justifies murder, rape, and the destruction of the greatest city in the Christian world

Thank god you're not running Germany, I'd hate to see what your policy for dealing with the Greeks would be.

Roma Invicta!

>>2543738
spotted the greek

Amazing thread.

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>>2552427

Thank you. I have posted 90% of the pictures, so contribute your own stuff!

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This show was so cool. Pity they couldn't afford to keep it going.

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>>2555599

Yes it was. Still a great show to watch again and again.

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Their sets were amazing

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>>2556061

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Caesar receiving the face of Mars before his triumphal parade

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Ides of March

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Caesar's Women

>>2556065
Face of Jupiter

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>>2557991
My mistake!

>>2556072
WE WUZ

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The Sack of Rome occurred on August 24, 410. The city was attacked by the Visigoths led by King Alaric.

Q... >(what was the singularity that had the most devastating effect on Roman culture)

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>>2558617

Roman culture is not what is as portrayed in mass media. The Romans are incorrectly portrayed as luxurious, tyrannical, ambitious monsters who gorge themselves on money and food.

This view is an exaggerated picture of what the *imperials* were like.

True Roman culture was epitomized in the mid Republic, especially when the Romans were down but not out. Cato the Elder, Cincinnatus, Scipio Africanus are a few names of men who were truly Roman. When the city heard of Hannibal streaming over the mountains with his army, in that moment Roman culture peaked.

Moderation, hard work, respecting ones ancestors and family, courage in battle, piety, and superstition. These are the qualities that define the Romans.

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>>2558617
>>2559411

So to answer your question, true Roman culture was devastated most by the final and complete defeat of the Carthaginians at the hand of the Romans in 146BC (earlier defeating Hannibal at Zama in 202BC).

In this moment, the SPQR no longer had any large enemies to vie for power, no longer had a power to check its ambitions. This is when the moral degradation began, finally resulting in the crisis of the 3rd century AD.

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Christians meeting their doom

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From atop St. Petes acouple years ago.

You can see Hadrian's tomb St. Angelos Castle down by the Tiber.

>>2559411
>>2559417

Go to bed Sallust.

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>>2559507

I'll fuckin rek u m8, meet me at the campus matrius and say that shit to me

This thread....
Wow, tis made of pure iron, strength, and honor.

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>>2559750

Gratias

>>2539258
the sides are vulnerable

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page of doom in under a day?

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>>2560084

When a Roman legion is deployed, whether it be a manipular formation or a cohort formation, the "sides" (known as flanks) are well protected by cavalry.

Additionally, it is pure speculation, but it is not unreasonable to think that on the flanks, the first two or three ranks in could be facing outwards instead of frontwards if an attack came onto the flanks.

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>>2560607

What does "page of doom" mean?

>>2560698
>What does "page of doom" mean?

>>2560084 ...since that post 01/13/16(Wed)00:20:26
and this >>2560607 the thread had traveled from page 1 to page 10 in under eleven hours.
ironically theirs no page 11 just doom!

>>2559863
.....
and marble

>>2538213

>protective nets around the arena for the crowd

Was that actually a thing?

>>2565518

They're not nets but fuck huge awnings to keep the sun off of the crowd and yes, they are documented as real. The Colosseum still has the holes for the wooden masts. Sailors would be brought in to set up rigging and canvas to shade the crowd leaving the fighting area open to the sky; bathing it in sunlight. Having the spectators in the shade and the fighters in the sun supposedly also made the action easier to see.

>>2561336
is that dude having sex?

bump for more romies

great saves thank you

>>2540126
>Muh Byzantines
After the Empire basically turned into a pseudo Catholic imperial state "Rome" was dead. What made the Romans great was swept away in the competing power of the Dux, Pope, and various barbarian "emperors" who claimed the throne. The Empire was dying when Constantine took power and it never came back.

>>2537616
This isn't a representation of supplanting Boudicca. It's the battle bet ween Calgacus and Agricola in North Pictland (Scotland, not England)

>>2561336
WHY DEY PUT DA DIK INNA PUSSY???

>>2558617
Founding
Revolution against Lucius Tarquinius Superbus*
Sack of Rome in 390 BC
Sulla's dictatorship*
Ceasar's assassination
Battle of Adrianople in AD 324
Severus Alexander's assassination
Sack of Rome in AD 410
Plague of Justinian
Deposition of Justinian II in AD 695*
Sack of Constantinople in AD 1204
Fall of Constantinople in AD 1453

Of course all of these events had profound influence on the history of Rome, these three events were arguably the greatest (outside of the obvious founding and fall of Constantinople).

The creation of the Republic lived on in public memory for centuries and influenced the politics and ethos of the nation until Sulla came along and broke it asunder. Justinian II's removal led to twenty years of Hell by which the Empire had completely lost it's Latinate identity.

>>2539678

Imagine the 1204 sack didn't happen. Would the Eastern Romans (Byzantines) kept the Turks out of Asia Minor?

Would Columbus have searched for a western route if the Turks didn't control access to Asia in the late 15th century??

The world would look real different.

>>2537611
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what in the hell is that wierd and mostly naked creature holding on to the fence

>>2540126
It is because western feudal barbarians listened to priests of Rome and Catholic HATED the Orthodox East more than anything. That lack of support meant the downfall of Byzantium and almost meant the downfall of west too if it wasn't for poor Slavs that guarded that shit later in spite of treasonous French rulers.
Imagine that. The fall of so many years of tradition because Catholics were salty over the fact that the Emperor was the true Pontifex Maximus instead of their gay little pope and his funny hat (among other reasons).
Such conflict still persists to this day. One should just look at Croats and Serbs.

>>2571263
I would Also place the Marian reforms on that list , making soldiers loyal to generals not the state - make them willing to march on Rome itself = allows Sulla etc

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This is kind of like a /tv/ Starter Kit.

>>2555599
Agreed. Shame it ended. Brilliant miniseries.

>>2559417
I agree with your thoughts.

>>2567079
No son they're just playing

>>2575169
Holy moly are you a scribe? your handwriting is fantastic

>>2575169

I've seen you post stuff like this on other boards. You keep very meticulous notes.

>>2575169

How did you get such nice handwriting? Were you born before the 1990s?