Last watch thread archived.
This time, let's celebrate the art of any timepiece.
Clock above is a Jaeger-LeCoultre Atmos and is proof of perpetual power.
I looked at this a while ago.
Very nice but not worth the retail price at all.
Less than surprisingly drops to almost half in condition 1.
Next time, datograph ass
Great collection, you seem to have picked the best out of what each brand does in a truly respectable collectors collection that normal people might find nice too.
Impressively diverse too - not a red 1680 and a closed 6 1680 and a nodate 1680..
Could you do me a favour and measure the lug to lug height of the numbered speedy?
What a great compliment! It's definitely not then end as I've already sold a Rolex Daytona and a few others over time but I'm quite content with what I have at the moment (famous last words).
The lugs on the Speedy are 19mm apart but you can squeeze a 20mm on there and an 18mm won't look too wrong.
Strap on there is 20mm but Omega leather strap is 19mm.
This is my old Daytona with the Reverso.
You seem to have misunderstood me, I meant the height between the tips of the lugs.
I've marked it here on this condition 1 Alaska Project from 1970.
I was given an offer higher than the retail price. I had my fun with it but already the polished lugs and clasp were showing up scratches like crazy.
I do miss it but I aim to own a vintage one instead which can be more expensive but the chase would be more fun.
The accuracy of the Daytona was truly incredible though. Barely needed to reset the time. Rolex is well worth the price in terms of quality over Omega in every sense.
The lug height is about 48/49mm
It's a one-off Patek Philippe 2571 from 1955. It's the first Perpetual Calendar Split-Seconds Chronograph in a wristwatch and was a pre-cursor to the popular (and expensive) 5004 and 5204.
It's size was also larger than most of their range at the time of its creation at 37mm. Over-sized vintage Pateks tend to be worth more as they are much rarer and maintain a more modern look and feel.
Had this been made in steel it could've gone for even more as gold discolours more over time and as with the size, steel Pateks are much rarer and are worth more than gold.
Take solace in the fact that it was Patek Philippe themselves who bought it to keep it in their Geneva museum.
It belongs in a museum!
Have a better picture.
Is that one yours?
Yeah I took it at the Watch Art Grand Exhibition in London.
The lighting was heavily downwards and was hard to get the right angle behind the glass.
Perpetual calendar, moonphase, monopusher split-seconds chronograph with flying seconds, grande and petite sonnerie with minute repeater.
Breguet with crown guard on a bracelet.
Thanks, have another albeit less good.
Wears quite nice and looks very nice.
That said the price you'd pay for a generic 7750 movement without anything special or even a display caseback is nearly upsetting. For some reason they're about 60% discounted on the used market though.
It's proof of perpetual motion, not power. There's lots of examples for perpetual motion, but so far it's not possible or even logical for a movement to produce more power that itself without the influence of an outside force.
I like ripping images from Philllips as well.
Geneva Two is later this year and will have some nice things as well.
Dude, there's a whole Breguet Marine line.
It's in honor of when the original A.L.Breguet designed timepieces for the Royal French Navy.
The Breguet Marine GMT
They also come with a rubber strap.
It's a classy, dressy, yet sporty and durable Breguet that I can wear with a suit or in the pool. Particularly with the bracelet, but even with the strap, it's a great all-rounder.
Putin wears his on a rubber strap with a suit.
Okay guys, help me decide a purchase I've been saving for!
This FP Journe, but in platinum with blue hands and markers, maybe losing the moonphase (what do you think?)
This Breguet, but with the bracelet on the gmt above it
Or the rolex I'm posting here, the new day date 40mm.
Ignore the price differences and just imagine it being used as a daily wearer. Thanks!
A FP Journe Octa Automatic with power reserve in platinum if you can afford it of course.
You've been saving for a long time if that thing is an option!
I prefer it with the moonphase but it's your decision. Share some pics if you get it.
I tried the Day-Date 40 in platinum. It's a heavy thing but still nice. Would you go for Roman or baton indices?
Breguet does great watches but to me, none of them are defined enough. All much of a muchness. I'd spend ages trying to decide on one then probably end up regretting it.
thanks for the input!
-Yeah, several years saving here. As ladies have been like "you haven't bought me a house and given me children and diamonds" I've been like "okay bye" and saving $$$...
It's hard to find hr pics but I'll link to a few pics I posted here: http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=tree&goto=7091500&rid=135521#msg_7091500
Journe is really a special sort of watch brand. Kinda like if A.L. Breguet were alive or if RW Smith made 10x as many watches and was something I could afford...
For the Rolex DD40, I tried the batons and was a little underwhelmed. Although it might have been the slightly douchey guy at the Rolex NYC Boutique. Don't hard-sell me, bro. Seriously heavy, though, right? I want to see the Roman numerals
For Breguet, "All much of a muchness" hahaha! That's true. I wasn't blown away when I tried it.
I figure it should wow me a bit, right?
Good taste, btw, a nice watch.
Oops, that was meant to go with the Blancpain FF!
Haha, oh well, It's an excuse to post another pic of an FP Journe, this time from the back.
I think all Journe's movements are in 18k gold.
>>2474061 same person
I'll just keep this thread alive with a few more pics
The whole mother of pearl line up
I put my Speedmaster on a crocodile strap.
It's the 50th anniversary model of the first omega in space. I'm waiting to see what they do in 2019 for the 50th anniversary of the moon landing.
looks gaudy as fuck.
here, the watch i used to have, before some bastard stole it from my hospital belongings, along with a 24k chain.
That's my picture and watch.
I don't have a trust fund, I'm older than the usual 4chaner and I earned it. That's a real Rolex, it's a datejust2 with a smooth bezel.
So, basically, way to fail, little bro.
Thanks, nice pic of yours.
Here's my other one on my wrist.
...The Da Vinci...
IWC produced the first “digital” watches in its history as early as 1884. These timepieces, known as Pallweber watches, displayed the hours and minutes using numerals, while the seconds were shown in analogue form with a hand. In 2009. , the leap year disc is also advanced at the same time.
Bloody hell, I was just looking at this watch today.
What do you think between the JLC and this Breitling? About £1000 difference.
In this case, you spend a bit more to get a lot more.
Well, the JLC has a new, in-house movement, which is a big deal coming from JLC. Yeah, there were dumb rumors that it wasn't in-house, but those came from people who didn't open it up and look.
A JLC in SS is as close as this level of watches come to being a good value.
The Breitling isn't bad, but you get a big step up with the JLC.
Disregard the price?
Okay, The Breitling and Omega, for all that both are nice watches, are in a lower tier than the others.
Any of the rest are great choices. The JLC is pure class, already discussed. The Zenith is a classic, and daytonas used to use a Zenith movement. It's a little dated, though.
The Daytona has an in-house movement, which, in true Rolex style, has undergone a number of silent upgrades since its introduction. It's very sturdy, goes with a work suit or at the beach, and is comfortable on the wrist.
If you don't have a Daytona and don't need a date function, that's a great choice. On the bracelet, it's water resistant as deep as you'll go (I wouldn't get leather wet and other straps won't be as versatile as the bracelet).
Otherwise, the JLC is the choice. You run into the occasional daytona, but a JLC is something that only those in the know, know. The JLC doesn't call attention to itself the way the Rolex does, but everytime you look at the JLC, you'll smile.
Who is a hublot for?
They really tend to be biting the style of AP, but with a tacky vibe.
You really have a nice collection. Which is your favorite?
With the blued hands / indices?
IWC makes some neat stuff in the higher price brackets.
Their repeaters are exceptionally comparatively cheap.
Speaking of Richemont owned ex-axis military issue 'manufactures' who usually do loud oversized watches using ETA movements but have a few surprisingly sophisticated and nice ones; here's this.
Then you hear them and you know why. Super quiet and non-diatonic.
Huh. I didn't know.
Am I the only enthusiast who prefers the generation 2 Lange 1815 chrono more than 1 & 3 (latter feature a pulsometer scale)?
RM does legitimate high horology very well.
Sadly it caters to hyper rich trust fund brats and NBA players rather than those who appreciate high horology style wise.
That's pretty damn tiny
Yup afraid so. Audemars Piguet is the best I've heard. Patek is pretty close though they'd like to think they're the best.
It depends on if you need to time someone's heartbeat on a whim.
I find the dial very flat and clinical in 1815 compared to the Datograph in general. Pink gold is probably a better option to spice it up.
The quality is insane when you feel it and and wear it but still nowhere near the price tag. But it works well for R Mille so can't complain.
Any love for Fossil?
sub $300 watch.
Wish I had a a macro lens
Meh, I have a Rolex (the datejust pictured above) and a JLC, but if I have to go somewhere sketchy or I'll be out late in sketchy areas, I wear this Michael Kors automatic.
Okay, to be honest, I don't wear it too often anymore, but there's no shame in wearing a cheaper automatic that you've put some thought into buying.
>didn't bring camera down to Florida with me
whelp, my phone takes xbox hueg pictures at least :^)
I found some rare 3970s and compiled them.
Very well made, 10-year average service interval, amazingly versatile--can go with jeans or a suit, really the only watch you'll ever need, you can wear it at the beach (and in the water) or at a 4-star restaurant.
The Bad: Such a total classic design that it's been copied many times over (but never equaled) and there are a lot of crappy copies. You'll see other people with a Submariner at a museum or elsewhere, so that may bother some idiots.
Basically, there's no real downside, as long as you can afford it.
There are a lot of choices as well, from the less common green-dialed Submariner (the "Hulk") to white and yellow gold versions to related models like the GMT Master II and the DeepSea. Depending on your budget, there is a lot to choose from.
For quality trusted older models, you can browse Bob's Watches, they service and check all watches they sell and are a known trustworthy source for a Rolex.
I'm not the actual collector guy with the other post (who I mostly agree with) and have never worn (any) sub, but from my internet WIS knowledge and spending more hours on /wt/ and WUS than I'd ever admit I can say the following.
It does have the objective improvement of the 3135 movement (and its upgrades) and questionably objective improvement of ceramic bezel. If you compare to what I find to be the golden era - 6200 to 5513, there's also sapphire and many other material improvements. Possibly better lume as well.
To me though the maxicase is little short of mutilation of their icon.
Unless you have extraordinarily large wrists or scream for "wrist presence", there's little point in having it larger than it was. They did do what the market seems to want, and reasonably well.
As I said I haven't worn it myself, but from what I've seen it does for my traditional taste as well as my rather small wrists wear too large.
I see it like the 116010LN marked the clear transition between when Rolex went from having anything to do with tool watches to purely being status symbols with mid end haute horologie.
Kind of reverse of me since the movement and material upgrades do make it tougher, harder wearing.
The 116010LN is shiner, larger and definitely has more "I have arrived" than the previous models - which is what it is about.
Pic related is one of the two maxicase subs I'd at all consider wearing.
It's an aftermarket modification - one of the few that doesn't ruin the watch aesthetically.
Combined with the absurd price of £15000 as well as being a limited edition to 50 makes it nearly impossible to acquire.
The other one is a better made version with the same concept from another modifier.
Here's an article on the 3135: http://www.chronometrie.com/rolex3135/rolex3135.html
I could do another rant on my view of the evolution of the GMT master (which they introduced the maxicase with) if there's any interest.
Tourbillon 24 Secondes Vision
Winner in the category
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The Charming Bird
Winner in the category
Minute Repeater Tourbillon with Gold Bridges
Winner in the categories
Tourbillon of Tourbillons
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Slim d'Hermès QP
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Pelagos (2015 inhouse movement version)
Case: White gold
Bracelet strap: Leather
Buckle: Pin buckle
Waterproofness: 30 m
Size: o 43.5 mm
Thickness: 13.65 mm
Movement: Manual-winding mechanical
Power reserve: 72 h, 21600 variations / hours
Functions: Hours, Minutes, Power reserve, Seconds
Reference: 9100 5850
Collection: Tourbillon 24 Secondes / Limited Edition to 22 exemplaires
Price: 290’000 CHF
https://youtu.be/s5GfeOzw_hY 240p video of a 480k CHF watch.
hallie selassie's patek
Out of the way rich people, poorfag coming through
Go with what you love. I've seen the TT sub in person and it looks nice.
Here's a pic of the Hulk (green submariner)
hmm, the hands are a little funny on that one
I'm not a big omega fan, but the moonwatch is nice
Here's the best speedy.
That's an Oyster Perpetual (116000), and I like it too.
More so than the Explorer I since it doesn't have the awful mercedes hands.
Since I'm broke and like having a date I spent 1/300th and got a funny name instead.
Hell yeah, JLC is total class
Any stories from the JLC manufacture?
One of the only u.s.a. made watches wwith an in-house movement
and the back
RGM calibre 801
Strange looking at first but I think it's beautiful. Maybe it's the price kinda making me think it's beautiful. What do y'all think of this Patek?
I don't know about on the wrist, but it is beautiful in its own strange way, sure.
Looks very rough being a Patek - I can see machining on the bezel and some indexes not being fully straight. Though their finishing before the 1940s really isn't comparable to modern, specially not post-1994/2009.
Case design looks a bit like Voutilainen tried to make a Mare Nostrum, the literal leaf hand is almost comical. Only thing I like is the numerals which I don't think fit very well aesthetically. Bezel / dial being that cluttered yet lacking a minute track is strange too.
Pic related is the oldest Patek I'd consider actually using, though that doesn't mean that the strange one you posted isn't horologically interesting. World timers were never my thing either. How much did it go for? Think the 3939a is the most expensive Patek I'd enjoy having. Most others are just historical nerdery or gaudy as hell.
Take her to the moon for me.
I'll dump some old Grand Prix d’Horlogerie de Genève pictures (2013).
What do people think of this Oris Divers 65?
The 'index' at 6 is strange, having just keep it as tall as to where the date window ends would've made it so much better.
You lowered the cost (and horological level, albeit interesting design) of the thread, so I'll raise it. Even if I very much prefer the Oris as something to wear or use at all.
Beautiful watches in this thread.
Makes me really miss my Seamaster. It was my college graduation present, and it was stolen in a burglary several years ago.
The earliest were in brass and I think there was a brief transitional period where they tried other things. I posted two here >>2464951 >>2464952
The sports line has some movements made in aluminium which is pretty interesting. Just hope it won't wear out too quickly being that soft.
7075 Aluminium + grade 5 titanium could be a really interesting combination to make movement out of. Sadly only Richard Mille cares to go that far with the exotic materials / manufacturing process when movements are concerned. (some AP concepts possibly do, but they cost even more than the RMs)
Okay, hr-watch folks! I have a dilemma:
With Moonphase or without moonphase?
1) With Moonphase.
I see the underlying white disc of the dial (the guilloche-patterned part) as looking a bit bulged out at around 2 o'clock. It's an optical illusion visible in person. Can't unsee, but otherwise this is the version I had wanted.
It seemed more balanced in the modern Journe way until I started noticing the way the guilloche didn't look round.
1 of 3
Here we are without the moonphase.
I wonder if it's less balanced looking?
Yet, you can see that the white guilloche on the dial is more clearly circular, so that's maybe more pleasing.
Which would you pick and why?
2 or 3
Or, screw it all and get a rolex day date 40...
It has a bracelet and a nice movement, but the Journe has an equally well-made and much nicer movement made of 18k gold and... hell, I should get the Journe, but which one is the question. Moonphase or no moonphase?
3 of 3
Firstly I am impressed you are able to afford any of these watches.
Secondly, I would choose between the moonphase Journe and platinum DD40 but only with the batons and diamond cut dial not the Roman numerals.
Though for my money I would choose the rose gold Journe moonphase as it's more classical looking.
Are there any more alternatives? For that money the choice is immense.
Hey, thanks for the input! Much appreciated (and other folks are welcome to chime in as well).
I actually had that very rose gold Journe in my hand the other day, along with the blue mother of pearl at the journe boutique in NYC.
The rose gold looks so good in real life! The blue MOP is oddly a little less showy, slightly dressed-down, while being colorful.
I could think about the platinum, that's super cool, but under-the-radar, too.
Oh, I should say that I've fallen a little in love with the idea of a Journe because it's such a small, independent company built around one genius watchmaker.
That said, I enjoy my datejust II way out of proportion to any reason or logic, so Rolex has it's own hold.
What would /hr watch fags do? Missing second hand, still keeps time with current spring for about 12 hours. Get rebuilt? Worth it? Any info on it? Was my grandfathers. From 30's I think, railroad watch or something.
I find JD more interesting for their automata than horology though they do look nice aesthetically.
If you just want a single-hand 24hr watch, get a Lunch.
I wish time was purple and taffy flavored.
gutted...Duplicate file exists
...at least somebody liked my original post
>tfw I'll never have Peters watches nor camera gear
what gives peter pan?
not a Longine .....damnation
a sensible choice but it's kinda hard to downgrade when you've had higher in their lineup. I sold my roli turnograph datejust gold and steel i got long ago (acrylic and jubiullee) - a very rare model, because I was ready for a change. Now I have only 3 watches, none rolex. My problem is the nickle in the steel in Rolex. So I have to stick with gold. gold plated is not respected but I have a tissot in gold plate that wears fine (costs new 400) and hardly a good watch but a cheapo swiss with a common eta. I thought the AP royal Oak is a good choice but who has that kind of money? I have a S/S AP and never wear it. I can't find a perfect solution.
I have the RO with grey face. I don't like how it wears on me although it is low and not too heavy. Problem is I never take it out because I am afraid of needing service on it. After Archie's $3500 service bill on his, omg, I mean I am just saving to sell before getting something else. Yeah, the icon of all iconic lines, but I need something I like to wear. Got the RO after years of rolex experience. I love AP but I just can't find what wears best for me. so many issues. And I only have 3 watches now and can't after another without selling the AP.
you can buy it used for 6 to 10k US$ if you know exactly what you're doing and totally confident in seller and it's legit. but never ebay, and never those with non-AP parts or non-AP service, and if it's stolen or something else wrong you loose your money so it's best to be really careful. Most of the cheap ones have a lot of hidden problems. And the servicing can be as must as a new omega sports watch. so be careful .
also over-rated. IWC uses some pretty standard eta movements in nice cases as a rule now and it's just not so great as the pricing and marketing and history. there are some exceptions but I've gone "blah" on the brand.
Lange killing it as usual: Perpetual calendar grande date moonphase chronograph tourbillon. With power reserve.
Even if you're not a regular in any watch thread, you can't possibly say that this - 792 parts, around 3cm diameter in total, isn't astonishing.
Yeah, that's a masterpiece.
Ugh, RM watches are illegible.
This Cartier with an in-house movement is nice and 1/100th the price of the RM.
You >>2567979 my entitled Millennial Narcissist...
should continue to run into the arms of Death, quickly please.
The more you rush, the less you feel, and the quicker you >>2567979 age and die young.
Look at the mighty warrior called: the TREE - every moment in it's life is OutSide in the Hot Sun and the Dangerous Wind and the Deadly Snow and the polluted Atmosphere with the Toxic waters falling atop its nude body.
the TREE takes it's Time to grow old; and what beauty does it provide >>2567979 for your basic existence?
If only death didn't stand like a sentenial. If I knew for certainty that my individuality and consciousness would be destroyed upon death I would welcome it. I envy my dogs as they are always content and enjoy the present moment that they exist in. Me and what I assume everyone else does is always considering the past or future and never able to enjoy the infininitly vanishing present moment.
It's not the most interesting movement - that's the Parmigiani Fleurier Senfine Concept or arguably Lange datogrpah perpetual tourbillon since it's got more complications for roughly a third of the price. It's not the most aesthetical watch for a long list of reasons, including within RMs offerings and it's most likely not the most expensive one either if you care about that for some reason. Granted I do find the materials used in the movement interesting - not that they'd increase the performance notably.
The new IWC Big Pilot combines the best elements of the ref 5002 and 5009.
The numerals are same size as 5002 but bolder and feature the 9 that was missing in the 5009. The date widow matches the dial colour as in the 5009 and not the 5002. And lastly the text spacing and sizes are more balanced and appeasing in this new 500912 reference. A perfect evolution.
Here's a step in the right direction for you
True, IWC really scored with that. Speaking of pilot watches...
I actually called up a PP dealer in town to ask about a 5711 (yeah, right), but when he was talking about what was new for 2015 I muttered "a freakin' pilot watch" under my breath and the dealer heard me!
He thought it was a little hilarious and offered to let me try one on when/if it comes in on order. Well, maybe. Wouldn't mind a 5712 to be honest, though I'm saving for something else.
It's a pretty nice Zenith that PP made though, right?
Solid watches, thanks for sharing.
not a fan of the brand but they're OK. prob is will not hold value unless you buy used and the depreciation goes to the first guy, and only new at deep discounts jomashop and others. But then only certain one. compare to zenith and ten others in same class. It's entry-level stuff. For a beater it's ok. depends on price. movements pretty ordinary, nothing special. not junk but not good either.
pretty nice. if you can get a like new one for right price I would do it. But the brand is not holding it's value if you buy new. but what's there not to love. i would put this right there with PP's, VC's, and Lange but not too many others. Although i have an AP it's so different from the only AP we all know (RO), that I cannot compare meaningfully to that. nevermind AP. just look at that guilloche.
I agree, Breguet is really up there with the best. I'd put FP Journe and a few others at the level of AP, PP and VC, as well.
considering that journe brand is only 16 years old and that it didn't exist until very recently, then honestly, there's no way it's time proven yet. And all the hype if essentially paid adverts. What will they be after 100 years. I've never held or seen one. No doubt they're nice. But if they go bust and the prices go down the toilet, then you might be sorry in 20 years having bought it. Also, who would service it if they're not around. If your answer is anybody can, then maybe they're not so special after all. Bottom line, they've got some nerve expecting the prices of PP and VC given that they're an upstart, much like Hublot but even more so. A lot of these odd new brands are for the guy who has absolutely everything, has $$$ to blow, and must have novelty each week or gets bored. But regular folk like me who have 3 watches are not going to venture too far afield. I cannot take big financial risks. So candidly, I don't understand the brand. Who exactly is the market for a Journe?
Two hour hands for local and home -- really?Just because the price is high and it's PP, doesn't justify it. I'm not sure I love the complication. In 1975, I think we would have said wow to the idea. So, in 2016 is this combo the one that makes people rush out to get one? It's like they're trying too hard to be relevant considering the age we live in where the complication the watch offers isn't really a solution high in demand among the public. Supreme quality but a bit weird.
Ugly and childish. It might be whimsical and fun. But it's not the accord consistent with the price. I dare not ask. I would be surprised to learn who walks in and says oh, another watch for $150k or more based on all weird characteristic so I must have it. Give any reason why this brand exists? Anybody?
That's some word salad you just wrote.
"I've never held or seen one."
Ah, that's it.
You honestly, no joke, sound like an idiot when you compare FPJ to Hublot.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and give you a real answer the price of which will be for you to actually cure your ignorance with some research. Ready? Here it is:
Imagine that A.L. Breguet were alive today. A genuine horological genius on that level. That is Francois-Paul Journe. The market is someone who wants an amazing watch with a direct connection to a living genius who actually designed the watch you wear and helped make it with his hands (and yes, he still makes watches himself). Not some connection from 300 years ago, but now.
And yes, Mr. Journe is a very smart man and while he has a few decades left, hopefully, he does have a plan for the continuation of his company. One hint to that is the watchmaking school he founded...
His tiny company (900 watches a year) has won awards from the Grand Prix of Horology as many times as VC and one more than PP (which is now making 60,000+ watches a year according to a source in the industry I spoke to, you can find your own sources to confirm if you like).
Read up on Journe, you might find yourself understanding why you might want to get in on the ground floor while the man himself is still making watches.
I am not look to "...get in on the ground floor..." It doesn't appeal to me. Good for you that you like FPJ. FPJ and Hublot are both new brands and neither appeal to me at all. Let's distinguish between hype and glossy adverts you see in WatchWorld, and actual history. There's room in this world for both of our views. I shall further presume that you have much more money than do I to spend. I've been to CH before but do not go to the annual events for the watch world. I never claimed to be any kind of a watch expert. Like a lot of others here, I am just one man's opinion. Interesting to learn yours too.
this threads not worthy of page of doom... but who da fuck really knows
My FPJs together.
Need to take a pic of the mother of pearl in the daylight.
A woman told me that rose gold is in style now and for the last few years, but may not be in style in the future as much, so I was like "hmmm".
Rose gold looks great though. Very eye-catching, maybe a bit much at my work.