I'm looking for a movie or series that is accurate yet is still has pleasing cinematography.
Some historic films just have terrible film-work or production value. Others are just so grossly incorrect is not fair to call them historic
The thin red line. Its not inaccurate but also not focused on conveying the history particularly. Very moving though.
Only the most excellent.
I mean, I dunno how accurate you need it to be, but some of my favourite movies with historical settings
>Master and Commander
>The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
>Kingdom of Heaven (must be the Director's cut)
>There Will Be Blood
>The Thin Red Line
>Come And See
And Wolf Hall as an honorable TV mention, one of the best television shows I've ever seen even though It uses a hell of a lot of artistic license to depict Thomas Cromwell who has very little historical information about him as a person, and really none at all before he's in his 30's
There is one big inaccuracy, and that concerns Albert Blithe. In the show, he's depicted as getting shot in the neck, and the end title card says he died in 1948. The real Blithe not only survived the war, but served in Korea and later died in West Germany in 1967.
The rest of the men of Easy had simply lost touch with him and assumed things, which led to the error in the book and show. When they found out about it (after Blithe's family contacted the studio following the episode's airing) they reportedly felt pretty damn awful.
>Master and Commander
I honestly tried, got about three minutes in, and never started watching again. The ebin calmness, Crowe speaking in a muttering whisper to the camera and somehow men hearing him over the shouts and explosions, just broke it for me.
The rest of the list, though, especially There Will Be Blood, which I saw for the first time two nights ago, is absolutely kickass. In addition:
>Where Eagles Dare
>Force 10 from Navarone
>A Man for All Seasons
>The Guns of Navarone
>The Dirty Dozen
>The Man Who Would be King
>The Name of the Rose
>Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
>The Wilby Conspiracy (Apartheid 70's, if that counts)
>Flesh and Blood
>Napola: Elite fur den Fuhrer
>Places in the Heart
>The Killing Fields
>The Wild Bunch
>The Three Musketeers, The Four Musketeers, Return of the Musketeers (all with Michael York)
Ted Turner lost his ass (financially) on that movie but didn't give two fucks because he wanted to watch a God tier Civil War film.
That's when you know you're fucking loaded. When you can pay to have a major motion picture simply for your own enjoyment.
It's pretty close. The names of the soldiers have been changed as well as the location names of the battles. "Seahorse" for the hilltop instead of "Galloping Horse," for example.
Of course it focuses much more on the human drama than historical details.
>It's very true to the book, how true that is I couldn't say but I'm loath to suggest that tge Vets were lying.
Book is pretty inaccurate when it comes to facts. It's entirely based on interviews, made decades after the events. Interviews must be true... even if those conflict with all official documents from era like war diaries of units involved.... US, British and German.
Here is a fun review of the book.
>very true to the book, story told by the vets themselves, so I believe it. There very well could be some false things, but who cares? Series is god tier.
There is a more than some false things.
>There is one big inaccuracy
I can add few.
Every German tank is Tiger. A ton of other mistakes regarding weaponry and nomenclature. The shit that happened in around Neunen don't resemble actual events at all.
The Fall of the Roman Empire: based on the same history as Gladiator, noted for careful historical accuracy and the on set advice of Will Durant, well reviewed but a massive commercial failure which contributed to the death of the original sword & sandals genre
War and Peace (Soviet version): the most faithful and grandest in scale of the adaptations of what is indisputably the greatest work of historical fiction ever written; the American film and the recent British miniseries are quite good as well
>the ebin calmness
Royal Navy vessels were pretty constrained. The books as well as records of the time note the huge difference in laxity between merchant and naval ships. Consider that it was also the dawn watch so everyone not on deck was asleep until they cleared for action.
>Crowe speaking in a muttering whisper to the camera and somehow men hearing him
The way it works is that he gives the order and his subordinates repeat it down the line across the ship, so if a boom is gonna sweep across the deck or a heavy block is coming down everyone knows to watch out for it. It becomes automatic to a point, I've been aboard sailing ships and the crews today still do it.
The Deluge (1974) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072021/
Great movie, good historical accuracy. It must be noted that it can be kinda incomprehensible if You don't read the original book, and know nothing about Polish history and culture, so some preparation seems necessary :-) It's on Youtube ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fsZAO1LLFY ) in complete, but in original language; You can pick it's great battle scenes at least (try 3:14 - three hour 14 mins - for my fav siege artillery duel ).
La Révolution française. 2 filmes.
Btw, Robespierre in this film is the swagest and smuggest bitch.
fucking 10/10 series
I dislike it, the pacing is too slow. It's accurate, the shots are amazing and it has a good soundtrack. But good lord the pacing.
The Pacific didn't have good character development, I couldn't care about any of them. But it is still fantastic.
I like this one better than the american perspective one, but Flags of our Fathers is still very good. Clint Eastwood is a good director.
Also, Das Boot and Stalingrad are very good as well. Das Boot isn't a true story, but it accurately depicts the life on a WWII u-boat. Stalingrad is good because it shows the german perspective of the battle, instead of the billions of russian perspective movies. (fucking enemy at the gate jesus christ that fucking movie is terrible) The one reason I don't like historical movies is because they're usually horribly inaccurate and are loaded with tropes. Saving Private Ryan is a good example of this.
I think he's talking about the book, where Ambrose does indeed refer to every German armored vehicle Easy encounters as a "Tiger." We see plenty of other armored vehicles in the show, especially in "Carentan."
>life on a WWII u-boat
Oh, speaking about submarines
What IMDB don't mention - yes it's about a real story, but it isn't following historical truth 100% accurate, it's something on the "Apollo 13" level in this matter.
There are some cool scenes, and it's refreshing to see a German perspective, but overall the plot is so scatterbrained and contrived at times it doesn't quite click for me (that Jewish lady ousted from the hospital comes back to the same place as a Russian commandant?). There was an overt apologist tone to the whole thing, too, which kinda soured me on it.
Warning: this film triggers the French
The field hospital scene is one of my favourites in any film.
Give it another shot. Master and Commander is the GOAT sea movie and one of the few with very realistic seamanship depicted. It and Das Boot anyway.
I've watched them both at sea which was even better. Watched Hornblower too in one of the ships from the series. Not as good.
Honestly I think Ambrose is a hack. When I was in high school I was really into a lot of his books and read a few of them. As I went on to study history further I found that most legitimate historians view him as a plagiarist. He poorly cites sources or cites events that didn't even happen. He makes no real effort to piece together actual events.
I still think some of the books make for decent reading, but I definitely wouldn't recommend it for any serious historical study. He also claims to have been extremely close to Eisenhower despite there being no real record of the two meeting more than a couple of times.
He seems to just take everyone for their word and then not bother to do any research to piece together what actually happened. It's much easier to write a book about guys fighting "ELITE SPECIAL OPS GERMANS, BUT WE STILL WON BECAUSE AMERICA IS THE BEST GODDAMNED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD YOU GERMAN FAGGOTS" than it is to acknowledge that the American troops often performed poorly in the ETO despite having every advantage in air power, artillery, logistics, and manpower.
Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy is god-tier.
Eh, I liked Eugene Sledge a lot though and thought his development was the best out of all of the protagonists. Compare him at the beginning of the series to the end. Also, the Okinawa episode was the best.
I assume that you assume that if I have not read the book.
Fun fact the German unit E coy 506 and F coy were facing in around Eindhowen was PzBg107. They had Panthers and JgPzIV's. In battle for Nuenen, Germans lost two tanks or tank destroyers to two British Shermans. 44the Royal Tank Regiment was a totally inexperienced unit made incompetents that had been at war since 1939. They got fucked in battle for France, but since that they had been at both Battles of El Alamein, Sicily and Italy.. and since June 9th in France. While they were attached to 101st AB they lost 4 tanks. 2 of 'em when they pushed into Nuenen.
The other British tank unit E coy worked with... 15th/19th the Kings Royal Hussars.. they had Cromwells... they lost a grand total of zero tanks in Netherlands in August and September while being attached to 101st AB div. Fun fact, while they had existed as tank unit instead of actual cavalry with since 1939, after debacle in France... they had been a training unit until Normandy. They still did well as Recon element of 3rd Armored division, in both Normandy and breakout battles.
I don't really have issue with Germans being on TV equipped with wrong tanks or even bongs with wrong tanks... as getting correct ones would be problematic, but entire battle being represented as British fuckup saved by E-coy.. while another thing called F-coy 506th took other half of town... both supported by lots Shermans from 2nd and 3rd battalion 44th RTR.
All this is very apparent in 4th episode of show and corresponding chapter of the Band of Brothers the book.
While veterans themselves might have had some bullshit added.... Ambrose might have added a lot on top of that.
>I really liked Sledge and Snafu.
Snafu on the show is composite from bunch of 'muhreens that did stupid shit. Worst shit described in With Old Breed was left out because it would have been too fucked up.
I'm halfway through Hornblower, and while I like it so far, I have two main issues with it.
The first is that Hornblower is a bit of a Mary Sue. It's not too bad, he does fuck up occasionally, but it seems like every episode ends up in the same scene where the captain gives him a fatherly smile of approval after he's done some insane thing and then the credits roll.
The second is the pacing of the naval battles. Fights go from the watch shouting "sail ahoy!" at a ship 300 feet away from theirs that approached over a few miles without being seen, to them suddenly being at broadsides, to a boarding and victory. These scenes are occasionally lengthened by some drama taking place in one of these parts, but overall it's a bit disappointing coming from O'Brian's books, which depict day-long approaches with ploys from both sides to get the maximum advantage out of the wind, to grinding battles with maneuvering to deliver the most damaging broadside they can to each other.
Still a good series, however.