>>681387 Okay but your thoughts and desires are molded by your experiences. Your brain automatically responds to events in a way that's influenced by events that occurred beforehand in your life. Therefore, you could say that your brain makes the choice that most closely alligns with your beliefs or opinions. Now, would you want your brain to operate in any other way? For instance, imagine a scenario where a loved one falls in the water. You have the chance to save him/her by throwing a lifebuoy. Would you want to have the opportunity of letting someone close to you die? No, because that would be a horrible scenario for you and everyone involved. I'm not sure if I expressed myself clearly, but I hope my sentence structure isn't too wobbly to understand.
>>681553 Well I don't thing if you understand how deep the problem of free will goes, because we also have no influence on our experience and desires and all that. Even irrelevant things like putting my hand up were deterministic and not my own choice
>>682353 Why is punishment always immoral? If it eases the suffering of the victims and actually has a deterring effect (provided that it does)? Just in practical terms, in some circumstances, punishment seems morally acceptable.
OMG YOU ARE FUCKING RETARDED JESUS CHRIST SON OF GOD FREEDOM IS AN UNIVERSAL ABSTRACT JUST AS DETERMINATION HUMAN FREE DOESN'T MEAN ABSOLUTE FREEDOM FOR ABSOLUTE FREEDOM ONLY EXISTS IN THE ABSOLUTE THEREFORE ONLY GOD IS ABSOLUTELY FREE WE HUMAN BEINGS ARE SURROUNDED BY DETERMINATIONS WHICH ARE EQUALLY NOT ABSOLUTE IN THEMSELVES FOR WE ARE CREATURES AND OUR FREEDOM RESTS IN OUR CAPACITY OF WILLFULLY CONTROLLING HIGHER DETERMINATIONS OVER LOWER DETERMINATIONS SO WE SHARE SOME SIMILARITIES WITH DIVINE FREEDOM ONCE WE LET OURSELVES BE DETERMINED BY GOD WHICH IS ABSOLUTE FREEDOM RATHER THAN MATTER WHICH IS THE LOWEST FORM OF DETERMINATION SO SHUT THE FUCK UP THIS DISCUSSION IS ONLY ABOUT WORDS YOU GUYS CAN'T EVEN GO OUTSIDE YOUR OWN VIRTUAL REALITY AND TALK ABOUT REALITY YES I'M MAD
>>681679 Because time is linear and already paved out. You don't know if you'll hold up your left or right hand, or maybe you do, but the point is that in the future, you've already done it and it's unchangeable. That's kind of one school of thought, another says that an entire other universe is created for each hand you hold up.
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