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>Jesus spent 40 days in some desert wanking off
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>Jesus spent 40 days in some desert wanking off
>Zoroaster spent 10 years in a cave thinking
>Jesus only left the dead cave by the hands of his disciples
>Zoroaster left the cave alive in the style of Plato's allegory
When did you realize that Zoroaster is the objectively superior religious figure?
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>>675367
Christianity is human, all too human.
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>>675367
This was pretty common. The council of Nicea was testament to this; Constantine sitting Christians down to decide what form of Christianity was best for the empire, not which was true.
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>>675367
>Zeitgeist shit

Mithra and Horus weren't born on the 25th (granted neither was Jesus, only to be used to accommodate pagans)
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>>675367
>>675443

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0-EgjUhRqA
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>>675367
also forgot to mention

>Referring to it as BCE
>When it's the exact same calendar as the Gregorian calendar
>If he actually lived
No credible historian debates that he didn't live.

>Image from Pinterest
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>>675443
Persian legends of Mithras says that He was born of the Sun God and a virgin mother, called "the Mother of God", on December 25th.
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>>675443
>calls others zeitgeist
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>>675459
There's no specific date for Mithras' birth.

25th of December was the celebration of the feast of Sol Invictus in the Roman Empire. Not to mention Armenian Church/Eastern Churches don't view 25th as his date of birth, only the west.

http://www.oremus.org/liturgy/etc/ktf/intro.html#xmas
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>>675484
Sol Invictus was the romanised version of Mithras
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>>675332
Delegation matters. Jesus had Peter, Paul, and John.

Zoroaster had....a bird or some shit?
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>>675509
Zoroaster has Jesus, who ripped off his ideas.
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>>675332
>mfw I see a monotheist
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Plato should be applied to real life. Have you used the elenchus? Have you felt aporia? Have you experienced theoria? How many times have you read the dialogues? Have you grasped what the Straussians might call the "esoteric"? Why wank off to Jesus or Zoroaster? Read Reality. Read Philosophy as a Rite of Rebirth: From Ancient Egypt to Neoplatonism. Maybe take some drugs. Try to reach the ecstatic vision of the meta-Form vis a vis gnosis. Trolling is useless. Try to learn from others and allow them to learn from you as well.
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>>675826
I'm not here to argue with you friend,
I'm here to reinforce your views.See,people pick religion because they want to escape the boundaries of reality, they want to "cheat" death. Religion comes with a friendly and consoling pat on the back. Every rational mind can deduce that religion is fiction-a psychological coping mechanism to deal with our own inevitable demise. Sadly,it doesn't matter how well you understand the world around you or how much thirst for knowledge you have and that is where philosophy loses to religion. People like lies,people are guilible.
No amount of "apories" or "doxes" will ever change that.
Drugs are feared because for years,people thought they caused addiction. The Rat lark expirement and Vietnam proved otherwise.However,people still seem very hesitant to turn to drugs. I've read Aldous Huxley and of course came to contact with the devil's cabbage at some point. But, should we really step out and give our brain something that it cannot truly process?
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>>675826

this
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>>677644

*tips fedora*
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It isn't about how long they spent in the cave / the desert but how much was revealed to them during their time.

You could spend 10 years making a new song, or you could make the same song in 40 days.
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>>675446
>Horus Ruins Christmas
This guy knows what's what.
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>>675459
>Persian legends of Mithras says that He was born of the Sun God and a virgin mother, called "the Mother of God", on December 25th.
Please give a citation for that. In Zoroastrianism Mithra was a Yazata (a lesser deity or an angel) so he wasn't born but created.

>>675507
Mithras is the romanised version of Mithras. The deity of the Mithraic mysteries has little in common with the Zoroastrian yazata, aside from the name and the general solar theme. The whole "Persian" thing was meant to add eastern mystique to the cult which was mostly created from whole cloth.

Sol Invictus was a reformed cult of the latin deity Sol, introduced by the emperor Aurelian. The gens Aurelia from which Aurelian hailed were known for their worship of Sol. It was an exoteric religion meant for all of the empire which had little to do with esoteric mystery cult of Mithras. Not to mention that Sol is a hypostasis of the Sun, while Mithras isn't, despite being a solar deity (compare Helios and Apollo). In fact, a personified Sun appears in Mithraic mysteries separately from Mithras.
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>>675459
>Virgin mommy of Mithras
>Actual Mithras beliefs involve him being born from a rock
Rocks can't be viginal dipshit.
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>confusing Roman Mithras with Persian Mithra
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>>677873
Waith, I thought Mithraism was just European version of Zoroastrianism? They even called it "Persian religion"

But it sounds more like... Islam and Black Islam

Redpill me more pls
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>>675440
But wasn't Constantine baptized by an Arian Bishop?
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>>677923
You can read about the tenets of Mithraism on wikipedia. They're mostly reconstructed from 3rd party accounts and archeological sites though, since Mithraism was a mystery religion that had little written lore and was closed to outsiders.
There's pretty little connection to Zoroastrianism. The only similarity I didn't mention in the earlier post is the handshake - in Zoroastrianism Mithra presided over contracts which were concluded with a handshake, while in Roman version it was basically the masonic handshake - a way to recognize fellow initiates.

In contrast, in Zoroastrianism Mithra's major function is a psychopomp - a dude who leads souls through the Chinvat bridge into the afterlife. No traces of that in the Roman mysteries.

Basically, in Greek philosophy all the weird and occult stuff was connected to the east. Chaldeans or Zoroaster were thought to have invented ritual magic. Then with the Roman empire orientalism was on the rise, what with the emperors introducing eastern court protocol, all the best wares coming through the Silk Road, etc. So somebody came up with the idea to capitalize on it and invented a "Persian" mystery religion that became all the jazz since the cult of Isis or Eleusine mysteries was getting old.

Archeological finds corroborate the idea that Mithraic mysteries were a (largely) Roman invention, since the spread of Mithraea (cult sites or temples) goes from Rome outwards - the oldest ones are in Italy and then spread outwards. If it was imported, you'd see them coming in from the East obviously.

cont.
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>>678016
Mithra itself is an ancient Indo-European deity. He's a part of Indian Vedic pantheon, and was a part of the Iranian religion before the Zoroastrian reforms. He appears in the indigenous Armenian religion under the same name as well. Zoroaster reduced him from a god to an angel subservient to Ahura Mazda, but traces of his older status still remain. Like the fact that he's one of the three entities in Zoroastrianism to receive the title "Ahura", along with Ahura Mazda and Apam Napat. In the Avesta there's a passage where Ahura Mazda makes a sacrifice to Mithra, which seems pretty weird if it's Mazda who's supposed to be the top guy.

>tl;dr, yeah, it's basically like Nation of Islam, lots of made-up shit with some vague imagery and name dropping from the original. Doesn't make it any less cool though.
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>>677865
Bullshit.
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>>675440
But being a sneaky shit is immoral.
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>>677846
Spoken like a true philosopher
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>>675367
This has already been thoroughly debunked.
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