This sign is called the Chi Rho, Buddha is making it on the left, Christ on the right (first two fingers are Χ, the rest Ρ).
Buddhism was enormously influenced by Christianity, and a lot of the things we started considered "ancient Eastern wisdom", with the advent of Orientalism, actually originated with Christianity.
For instance, “mantra” and “japa” (mantra meditation) just meant a regular prayer in Eastern religions until a while after Christians started using constant repetitions. The earliest Buddhist canon, which is the Pali canon, dates from 29 BC and make no mention of mantra meditation. Christian meditation dates back to the OT (Genesis 24:63). Joshua 1:8 says to keep the Law constantly on your lips, to meditate on it day and night. The word translated as “meditate” here, means to mutter or growl quietly. Paul says to “pray without ceasing” (1 Thessalonians 5:17) The earliest extensive written instructions on Christian mantra meditation, were authored by Saint John Cassian, in 420 AD, at the behest of Bishop Castor of Apt. The earliest account of Buddha as we think of him now was written by Buddhaghosa, and dates from around the same time Saint John Cassian was writing (earlier accounts of Buddha are closer to something out of Homer). The Visuddhimagga, Buddhaghosa’s extensive meditation manual, makes no mention of mantras; here meditation is focusing on something (or focusing on precisely nothing), but none of the instruction says anything about use of mantras in meditation. The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, from the 4th Century AD, mention mantras, but here they have nothing to do with mediation, they’re invocations used to gain power over things, probably the identical sense to what they were for Brahmin priests. As for Hinduism, their most famous mantra, the Hare Krishna, was not used for constant repetition or meditation until 16th Century AD, when it was popularized by Chaitanya Mahaprabhu.
Completely out of the question, obviously.
>As for Hinduism, their most famous mantra, the Hare Krishna, was not used for constant repetition or meditation until 16th Century AD, when it was popularized by Chaitanya Mahaprabhu.
But that is a singular example there are others like the gayathri mantra the karunabathee mantra and a thousand others that the Brahmins dont even talk about because only the brahmin can lifts its swara.
So what exactly are you trying to prove?
These mantras were not employed as we think of "matra" today, in ancient times. That is, they weren't repeated in meditation or perpetually through the day or anything like that, they were just special incantations that only Brahmans had use of.
The entire concept of krishna as a lovable deity stems from the bhakti movement in islamic india when the older systems of imperial religion started to splinter and fall.
The older systems survived with brahmins still performing religious ceremonies for their communities while folk religion started to gain traction.
kill yourself christcuck. your god is an autist.
the idea of salvation through faith alone was the cornerstone of the bhakti movement.
while the idea is present in the upanishads, it gained popularity in the turmoil of the delhi sultanate, and co existed with older rituals like fire worship and veneration of brahmins.
However, it was always something rustic and folksy. Whenever hindu rulers became kings they followed the older traditions that the guptas and the mauryas used. Case in point the crowning of Shivaji fucking Bhonsle as the emperor. This was after a very strong bhakti movement in the maratha heartlands for a long period of time that resulted in a blend of brahminical and local tribal traditions under the umbrella of the bhakti movement.
Its literally the same post she made last time. Its based on the practice whereby you can justify innovation and change in method by cherry picking a verse or two from the bible that can be loosley to said innovation, then its just a matter of saying thats how it has always been done so its not an innovation its just that people forgot.
Protestants are great at this.
>yfw Mathew 26:3 demonstrates that the Islamic form of prayer is the correct method and that Christians have been doing incorrectly for over a 1500 years!
>These mantras were not employed as we think of "matra" today, in ancient times. That is, they weren't repeated in meditation or perpetually through the day or anything like that, they were just special incantations that only Brahmans had use of.
I was a born hindu and I am pretty sure most of what you said is revisionist nonsense, the yajna requires a swara and sangeetha accompanying the resonance of the words that are being said, e.g the word om said as AUM requires your diaphragm to facilitate the words expulsion and is directly related to raga(a concept of music) within the mantra being recited.
You dont seem to have any abject examples only an assumption based on a biased opinion.
>That the only reason other faiths seem to have any legitimacy is because they appropriated the truth from Christianity.
Too bad my religion is called the Sanatana Dharma, the eternal religion.
It existed way before abraham thought of sacrficing his child to the voices in his head.
>Too bad my religion is called the Sanatana Dharma, the eternal religion.
That is how the OP (Constantine) thinks, likewise for her the alignment with the East Orthodox Church and its teachings is a condition she has for something being truthful when it comes to these matters. Hence during discussions of this kind there isnt much room for movement or change unless it agrees with this axiom of hers.
So just bear that in mind when responding to her on issues like this.
Pic related and something often posted by her
>What does the Chi Rho signify in Buddhism?
It's the Karana mudra.
>That is how the OP (Constantine) thinks, likewise for her the alignment with the East Orthodox Church and its teachings is a condition she has for something being truthful when it comes to these matters. Hence during discussions of this kind there isnt much room for movement or change unless it agrees with this axiom of hers.
Ah that shows it, its a woman.
You're like those people who post pictures of pyramids in different cultures and assume they must all be related.
That is some Satanic way to viewing things. Satan gives him a comfortable life so he continues to worship Satan. Even if it isn't Satan, whatever he is worshiping could be an evil entity and he is perfectly okay with that. Fucking white people, I swear.
>For Hindus what kind of arguments do they have against Buddhism and vice-versa?
I personally dont find I have any arguments with buddhists, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_Hinduism
I guess, Hinduism is too inclusive and all encompassing at its core for me to be extremist about it, hell you could be a atheist hindu if you wanted.
>From what I've been reading there is a new strain of radical Hinduism taking hold in India which is hostile to all "foreign" elements.
That is not a new phenomenon in india, it has been there for a very long time since the time of the Magadha and the Mauryas and the Greek Invasion.
Chanakya engendered the sparks of subcontinental unity that led to the foundation of the hindu/indian identity in the form of the Mauryan empire and this inturn led to the idea of Akhand Bharat, united india from the afghan hills and swat valley to burma from kashmir to kanyakumari.
This was a theme for the latter lords and rulers of the northern lands who were under violent pressure from the incoming central asian Huna/Scythian hordes in the time of the late Mauryas to the Guptas.
This repeated throughout history under the Rashtrakutas, Rajputs, Jats, Vijayanagara Empire and many other hindu nations that sought relief from the invading islamic hordes.
Just being expressed currently in a more political and less violent mode.
Anyone that traded or lived near a port would be influenced by outsiders mythology and religious practices. It's really not that surprising.
There are dozens of books about the parallel teachings and lives of Christ and Buddha.
The obvious explanation is dank memes. Some parables and practices are so awesome that they can cross cultural lines.
>Buddhism was enormously influenced by Christianity
Yeah it's not like Christ was a man born thousands of years later than the advent of Eastern philosophy right?
>Buddhism predates Christianity by 600 years Constantine.
ancient Buddhism is VERY different from what we know of today
desu people are so hateful of Christianity that they can't accept its massive impact upon the world.
>religion doesn't change over time
Islam is 600 years younger than Christianity, but are you going to say that Christianity wasn't affected by Islam?
Are you going to say that Buddhism and Hinduism weren't affected by Islam, or that Hinduism wasn't affected by Buddhism?
>But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you. "And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. "So do not be like them; for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.…