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Which buildings or monuments are almost overwhelming for you?

Myself, most recently it was the Hagia Sophia. Nearly 1,500 years old. And there are earlier Byzantine & Egyptian pieces nearby. Emperors walked through the same grand doors as tourists today.
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>>640948
Turkish architecture at its finest desu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2IHjUr7KiQ
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So far, nothing has overwhelmed me which I havn't visited in person.

But the Roman Pantheon got pretty damn close.
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>>640948
Those kebab sticks are making me tear up.
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>>640994

They can be disregarded, they do not have to detract.

I like how the Hagia Sophia and the Blue Mosque stare each other down. The Blue Mosque is very beautiful on the outside yet the Hagia Sophia looks so imposing and masculine.

Why can't we create buildings like that any more. A waste of money? They print money for the Turkish state. A waste of space? Maybe. But I think it takes special kinds of dedicated men, plus benefactors.
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>>641019
Because 1000 years of history can't be faked
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>>640994
Triggered like the little bitch you are
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>>641019
What do we have to build that sort of monument to anymore? Today's society is one of regret and guilt, with the new left firmly in charge (Sorry about political opinions and all, this is just a rant) nationalism and faith are more apt to be criticized than respected, and used to push people to acts of glory like before. Grand monuments like that were art in and of themselves, testaments to the human soul. Nowadays if someone even tried it it'd be called a horrible move, a waste of everyone's life and money.
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>>641019
>Why can't we create buildings like that any more
Monuments are an act of political propaganda, and that would mean public money would have to be approved for use on glorifying the power of the state and whatever cosmic forces that are blessing it.

So only Arab sheikhs and East Asian pseudodespots build them anymore. The rest of the world is a bit too cynical of their political leaders to let them do the same.
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>>641060
This isn't -that- old.. I thought it was rather new, untill I checked wikipedia, and it opened 1949.
So I guess you're right.
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>>641060
Self admitted lefty but I'd argue that we still do build monuments and grand buildings just as they did, the problem is that our society is wasteful, vapid and consumerist, so we get a succession of vapid, wasteful and consumer-oriented 'monumental' buildings for our time. Cathedrals of Capitalism if you will. But just my opinion.

See this fucking aberration.
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>>641157
The Easter Egg Buttplug Drill Bank
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>>641157
I don't even consider new buildings like this grand anymore. I mean, what's glorious about them, woo, massive shaped structure with glass outside number 2,145!

I wish we had actual interesting and cultural buildings, and not either concrete slabs or, like you showed, giant glass abominations.
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>>641197
Isn't it sexy that most of the bad ass architecture in India was Mughal Turko-Islamic?
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>>641205
Isn't it because they wantonly burned and destroyed everything Hindu they could find?
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>>641157
You know the 'Gherkin' is supposed to be a phallic symbol, right?

It couldn't be any more obvious. The reasoning is what's obscure.
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>>640948
Gothic churches have a certain flair to it in my opinion.
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>>641284
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>>641292
Chinese walls
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>>641168
The very same

>>641197
Exactly, they're soulless and have a very pre-fab/sterile feeling about them. Not to mention they tend to get torn down and replaced with the next fad structure within a couple of decades (at most).

The best term I've heard for it is 'sightbite', analogous to a soundbite. All style, no substance.

>>641216
I don't think reasoning tends to come into it these days.
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>>641307
>I don't think reasoning tends to come into it these days.
The amount of deliberation that goes into those buildings requires it, though.

It could be as simple as the business magnates "showing their genitals" to the world, the ones that got them to their business in the Financial Capital of the World; or it could have some more occult meaning that only those "elites" find substance in.
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>>640948
>And Mehmed II spoke softly, ten thousand men on horseback listened, another ten thousand infantry resting in pools of blood, Roman and Turk alike. He smile before stepping into the city:
>"Know ye all that we did not conquer this city for man's ambitions and his greed. Neither for want nor need. We conquer to flourish Rome as a better Empire, we unite East and West at the City of World's Desire. We are neither Muslim nor Christian, neither Turk nor Rum. We are Man, and Man does because he can, God watches, and blesses him for his courage."

Mehmed II was Alpha as Fuck desu.
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>>641284
Sainte-Chapelle has seriously the most beautiful stained glass of any church. I cannot overemphasize how fucking beautiful it is in person. No picture does it justice.
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>>641318
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>>641318
HE WAS 23 WHEN HE SAID THAT

MAKES ME CRY EVERTTIEM
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>>641316
True, maybe it's just the complete absence of taste as you suggest
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>>641318
>Mehmed II could have lived and conquered Rome if the Eternal Venetian hadn't assassinated him

Oh the possibilities with an Agnostic Ottoman Emperor in Rome.
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Been to CERN once. By far the most impressive monument to humanity I've ever seen.
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>>640948
Have you been? I visited back in the summer, absolutely phenomenal. There's a monument to a victory over the Goths not far behind it near Topkapi Palace, it's the oldest monument in the city pre-dating even the foundation of Constantinople.
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>>641449
Don't let his speech fool you. He only spared his subjects of religious fervor. He was as Muslim as they come.
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>>641520
Mehmed II was the last Turkic-bent Ottoman Sultan (except for Yavuz briefly) who dreamed of expanding on three frontiers. After him, all sultans were West-aboo, competing with Europe never trying to claim the entire east as well.

His wife and mother were Turks, and he willed his sons to marry Crimean Tatar Khan's daughters (though one didn't listen).

He was rumored to be agnostic, and hate religion. Remember that he took Istanbul, the greatest siege of its time when he was 23. It's ridiculously succesful. The only post 650AD figure who appears in the Quran as well. Since Muhammad has in verse:

>"He who take the city of world's desire, will be a Muslim, will be the Chosen of God, and his people will be the greatest of hallowed heroes".

BECAUSE Mehmed II took Constantinople, Turks IMMEDIATELY had legitimacy as "Greatest of Hallowed Heroes" in a VERSE in the Quran.

People drool over Suleiman the Magnificent, but the most exciting Ottoman ruler to me was Mehmed II.
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>>641318
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>>640948
I found the blue mosque to be more beautiful especially the interior of it.
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>>641157
Is that the giant dildo of Barcelona ?
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>>641206
If they did the hindu majority would have rebelled countless times.
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>>641318
He sounds like a Templar

>>641449
>assassinated
QED
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>>641318
>The news of Mehmed's death caused great rejoicing in Europe, church bells were rung and celebrations held, the news was proclaimed in Venice as: "La Grande Aquila รจ morta!" ('The Great Eagle is dead!'

Venice - 2
Roman Empires - 1
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>>641558
There is no verse like that in the Quran
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>>640954
>only movies about Byzantium are from Turks
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>640954
>Turkish

lmao

In the movie:
>peacefully entering the city and Hagia Sophia

In reality:
>Turks butchered all the priests in Hagia Sophia for no reason
>Raped and pillaged everything they could carry

Man, I'm glad we kicked these savages out of Europe.
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>>642031
>In reality:
>>Turks butchered all the priests in Hagia Sophia for no reason
>>Raped and pillaged everything they could carry

So the exact same thing from the last time the city was conquered
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>>642002

Jewlywood only wants to make movies about the Holocaust and sex.
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>>642136
Ahahaha

BTFO
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>>640948
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>>642952
who is this semen demon?
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Cologne Cathedral
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>>640954

wow thats some serious turkish revisionism there.
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>>641060

what are

>presidential monuments
>museums
>art galleries
>court houses
>modern churches and cathedrals
>libraries and universities
>bridges and dams

There's plenty of imposing, beautiful modern architecture out there. It may not be as awe-inspiring because it doesn't have the same sense of history about it (for obvious reasons), but on an aesthetic level there's some great stuff.

>pic related, the crematorium in Berlin
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>>642002
>mfw there is a movie titled "Byzantium"
>mfw it has nothing to do with Byzantium
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>>641060
I had a couple of thoughts while reading this reply and the replies around it.
These buildings were built to inspire feelings of mystery and divinity. The most effective feature to this end was the verticality of these structures; the tapering steeples and rounded domes directed the attention of the viewer to the heavens, and created an association between the two.
In general, higher stature is connected with strength, and thus a governing body which seeks to create a physical statement of its power and glory will create such structures.
The creation of structures which accomplish this visual feat and also last for time is expensive and unjustifiable for the Third Estate, unlike the First.
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>>641318
Constantine's suicide charge plus this would make a pretty good movie
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>>640948

I would be into an immediate panic attack in a building that scale
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The Thomas Jefferson Memorial is my favorite building in DC.

But then again, I do get a bit teary eyed when I see pictures of >>641487
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>>643783
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>>641197
Dude there are like a bajillion of gothic cathedrals in Europe and they all look the same. There are a bajillion baroque/manneirist churches and palaces and they all look the same.
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>>643654
>>641318
hollywood please make it happen, its a movie that can be gritty and bloody but so fucking beautiful at the same time
the turks' version sucks
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>>641993
>>641558
that is not a quran verse but something muhammed had said, which gave the turks a lot of legitimacy when taking over mena
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>>643980
tbqh, for a first attempt it is really not that bad. In terms of epics though it isn't even near the kingdom of heaven but that's cause as I said the Turkish film studio is still in infancy, when it grows up better movies will come out for sure.
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>>641903
I find you to be a humongous cockgobbler.

Hagia Sophia is amazing inside and out expect for all the muslim shit they've put up, the Blue Mosque is a cheap knockoff that really, really fucking stinks. I mean it. The place has a smell problem.
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>>640948
I don't really get overwhelmed by massive monuments, but by moments, when I can imagine the day to day events and actions of an individual in that past time.

Like looking at a small relief and thinking of the sculptor wielding his chisel and hammer 1000 years ago. Standing on an ancient wall, looking over the horizon and thinking how the soldier, 500 years ago must have felt.

One of the best such moments that I've had was in Priene, the bouleuterion there is really well preserved and I was lucky being the only guy at the site then, so none of the hassle of bustling crowds of tourists.
The image of council men debating daily issues became so strikingly clear. Perhaps a speaker trying to raise an issue important to him, with a group of staunch opponents and some men being bored, thinking of how they'll whisk away to the theatre around the corner in the evening.
So banal, yet happening 3000 years ago...
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>>644294
Nice thoughts.

It's always a bit hard to imagine those things when there's hordes of tourists (including oneself) around, but nice when it works.
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Just compare the beauty of the Registan to the monstrosities being built in Central Asia today.
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>>641101
I like the origial one better
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>>640948
The tour Eiffel was pretty impressive. Regarding historical landmarks, the ruins of the Heidelberg castle were astonishing.
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>>641318
where is this quote from?
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>>644324
I went to Uzbekistan (including samarkand and bhukara) two summers ago! It has some of the most insanely nice architecture I've ever seen and I'd really love to go back, as hard as that would be. I genuinely get sad thinking about how amazing that city is and how I won't be able to go back for a while.
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>>645437
I've got some pics if anyone is interested.
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>>642982
Martin Luther Koon
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>>645439
gimme bro
luv turkics
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>>643654
Wut. If they gonna make such a movie then they better stick to the facts. I'd like to see Turks anally raping every single one there instead of that bullcrap.
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>>641197
That temple was built in 2005 for the ones who don't know.
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>>645695
Having greeks sodomized would be a documentary not a work of cinema
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>>645671
Sorry for the delay
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>>645671
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>>646000
BASED Timur
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>>645671
In bhukara - crazy lady who was selling us all knives and fags because no legal age apparently
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>>646008
bokhara was so damn rich 500 years ago
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I really like Ostia Antica. When I visited the place for the first time felt like I had already been there before. I inmediately could imagine how life used to be there and felt a deep connection to the place. I know that I sound like some pseudo-spiritualist, but it is true. The Hagia Sophia IS a great testament though. I was in Istanbul a few weeks ago
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>>647328
>Ostia Antica
I got the same feeling about the place.

It's just all ancient ruins and plants no matter where you look; nothing modern around. You can stroll around in there for hours, get lost, recognise things...and there's a lot of wide-open sky right above. Add some summer heat to taste, and it's no wonder the place feels amazing.
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>>642136
doesn't make the movie any less of a lie
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>>645695
>t. Mehmed
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would have been this if it was made
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>>645995
did you visit Khiva? That city is like from a different time. God I want to see it so much
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>>646008
>britbong scared of assault knives
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>>644198
Well I find you to be a tasteless faggot not every domed building is a knock off from the hagia sophia. Also tge hagia sophia is so fucking randomly build with random jesus pics here and there while the blue mosque has beautiful semetric mosaics inside it. You're probably acting like this because of muh byzantium anyway.
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>>652064
The Blue Mosque was literally built for dickwaving with the larger dome, because giant domes are the skyscrapers of that part of the word during that time.
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The grand palace was impressive. Beautiful Architecture. And to think this is only 1/10 of the original palace destroyed by the Burmese in Ayuttaya...
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>>652171
That looks great.
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>>641081
But why can't we use them to give glory to God?
The best monuments imo are the ones that point to the rule of the divine rather than to the rule of man
Regardless of religion and culture, religious monuments mean more to me, and I don't think thats unique
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>>641914
They did and were put down.

Something like 40 million Indians were killed by Islamic invaders
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>>652116
How is the hagia sophia different then ?
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>>654798
That was in initial invasion though not during muslim rule.
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>>641318
>hurr durr Let's make a Roman Empire that goes against Roman thought and standards and is completely islamic (a religion not accepted by the Roman Empire)
>muhh tears
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>>640948
>been three times in Istanbul
>always closed at the hours I can visit, but at least looked great from the outside
>Sultanahmet looked better from the outside, always bumped there at the time of prayer
just fuck my shit up.
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>>641157
No, the problem with the buildign in the picture is that it will not last more then 200-300 years tops.
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>>642995
Holy fuck why dont they clean it up...
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>>642982
Underrated post
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>>640979
This is the only guy who gets it: the Pantheon is the only building you should have seen in real life before you die.

The only bad thing about it, is that it has a door.
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>>640954
>Turkish

Wew, lad
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>>655109
They say it'd be too expensive. Then again, 50 billion for illegal migrants in 2 years sounds reasonable for them. Fuck Germany.
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Too bad the Hippodrome couldn't survive
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>>657353
They built around the ruins. Here's one of the pillars for reference.
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I cry everytime ;_;;;
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>>640948
The Hagia Sophia is my favorite mosque
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>>657652
It's my favorite museum
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>>642136
>>650162

I don't even like Turks but boy I love how /pol/ tier arguments get BTFO.
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>>642031
To give credit, this should be an official entrance, after the period of looting.

That is the custom for everyone, you breach in loot&pillage then you get the official entrance, ceremonies etc etc.

Don't know whether the movie has looting scenes though. Mehmed executed his own soldiers for touching Hagia Sophia iirc, since he declared that it was his personal property.
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>>659161
>/pol/ tier arguments get BTFO.
But none of his arguments were invalidated.

>The Film showed X
>Reality was Y

>>Well I admit reality was Y
>>But earlier reality was also Y!
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>>641558

>He was rumored to be agnostic, and hate religion

You write this in every single thread that even vaguely has something to do with Mehmed II but you never substantiate it.
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>>642031
>Implying there are anything of value to pillage and rape after savages from Fourth Crusade. Remove Franks.
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>>660429
kek

"argument by 'but earlier reality was also Y'"
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>>660429
Last sentence implies "europeans dindu nuffin" only turkroaches are savages.

Every Orthodox Remembers 1204. He tries to sugarcoat western dinduism.
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I thought it was bigger than this.
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