Which buildings or monuments are almost overwhelming for you?
Myself, most recently it was the Hagia Sophia. Nearly 1,500 years old. And there are earlier Byzantine & Egyptian pieces nearby. Emperors walked through the same grand doors as tourists today.
They can be disregarded, they do not have to detract.
I like how the Hagia Sophia and the Blue Mosque stare each other down. The Blue Mosque is very beautiful on the outside yet the Hagia Sophia looks so imposing and masculine.
Why can't we create buildings like that any more. A waste of money? They print money for the Turkish state. A waste of space? Maybe. But I think it takes special kinds of dedicated men, plus benefactors.
What do we have to build that sort of monument to anymore? Today's society is one of regret and guilt, with the new left firmly in charge (Sorry about political opinions and all, this is just a rant) nationalism and faith are more apt to be criticized than respected, and used to push people to acts of glory like before. Grand monuments like that were art in and of themselves, testaments to the human soul. Nowadays if someone even tried it it'd be called a horrible move, a waste of everyone's life and money.
>Why can't we create buildings like that any more
Monuments are an act of political propaganda, and that would mean public money would have to be approved for use on glorifying the power of the state and whatever cosmic forces that are blessing it.
So only Arab sheikhs and East Asian pseudodespots build them anymore. The rest of the world is a bit too cynical of their political leaders to let them do the same.
This isn't -that- old.. I thought it was rather new, untill I checked wikipedia, and it opened 1949.
So I guess you're right.
Self admitted lefty but I'd argue that we still do build monuments and grand buildings just as they did, the problem is that our society is wasteful, vapid and consumerist, so we get a succession of vapid, wasteful and consumer-oriented 'monumental' buildings for our time. Cathedrals of Capitalism if you will. But just my opinion.
See this fucking aberration.
I don't even consider new buildings like this grand anymore. I mean, what's glorious about them, woo, massive shaped structure with glass outside number 2,145!
I wish we had actual interesting and cultural buildings, and not either concrete slabs or, like you showed, giant glass abominations.
Gothic churches have a certain flair to it in my opinion.
The very same
Exactly, they're soulless and have a very pre-fab/sterile feeling about them. Not to mention they tend to get torn down and replaced with the next fad structure within a couple of decades (at most).
The best term I've heard for it is 'sightbite', analogous to a soundbite. All style, no substance.
I don't think reasoning tends to come into it these days.
>I don't think reasoning tends to come into it these days.
The amount of deliberation that goes into those buildings requires it, though.
It could be as simple as the business magnates "showing their genitals" to the world, the ones that got them to their business in the Financial Capital of the World; or it could have some more occult meaning that only those "elites" find substance in.
>And Mehmed II spoke softly, ten thousand men on horseback listened, another ten thousand infantry resting in pools of blood, Roman and Turk alike. He smile before stepping into the city:
>"Know ye all that we did not conquer this city for man's ambitions and his greed. Neither for want nor need. We conquer to flourish Rome as a better Empire, we unite East and West at the City of World's Desire. We are neither Muslim nor Christian, neither Turk nor Rum. We are Man, and Man does because he can, God watches, and blesses him for his courage."
Mehmed II was Alpha as Fuck desu.
HE WAS 23 WHEN HE SAID THAT
MAKES ME CRY EVERTTIEM
Been to CERN once. By far the most impressive monument to humanity I've ever seen.
Have you been? I visited back in the summer, absolutely phenomenal. There's a monument to a victory over the Goths not far behind it near Topkapi Palace, it's the oldest monument in the city pre-dating even the foundation of Constantinople.
Mehmed II was the last Turkic-bent Ottoman Sultan (except for Yavuz briefly) who dreamed of expanding on three frontiers. After him, all sultans were West-aboo, competing with Europe never trying to claim the entire east as well.
His wife and mother were Turks, and he willed his sons to marry Crimean Tatar Khan's daughters (though one didn't listen).
He was rumored to be agnostic, and hate religion. Remember that he took Istanbul, the greatest siege of its time when he was 23. It's ridiculously succesful. The only post 650AD figure who appears in the Quran as well. Since Muhammad has in verse:
>"He who take the city of world's desire, will be a Muslim, will be the Chosen of God, and his people will be the greatest of hallowed heroes".
BECAUSE Mehmed II took Constantinople, Turks IMMEDIATELY had legitimacy as "Greatest of Hallowed Heroes" in a VERSE in the Quran.
People drool over Suleiman the Magnificent, but the most exciting Ottoman ruler to me was Mehmed II.
>The news of Mehmed's death caused great rejoicing in Europe, church bells were rung and celebrations held, the news was proclaimed in Venice as: "La Grande Aquila è morta!" ('The Great Eagle is dead!'
Venice - 2
Roman Empires - 1
In the movie:
>peacefully entering the city and Hagia Sophia
>Turks butchered all the priests in Hagia Sophia for no reason
>Raped and pillaged everything they could carry
Man, I'm glad we kicked these savages out of Europe.
>>Turks butchered all the priests in Hagia Sophia for no reason
>>Raped and pillaged everything they could carry
So the exact same thing from the last time the city was conquered
>modern churches and cathedrals
>libraries and universities
>bridges and dams
There's plenty of imposing, beautiful modern architecture out there. It may not be as awe-inspiring because it doesn't have the same sense of history about it (for obvious reasons), but on an aesthetic level there's some great stuff.
>pic related, the crematorium in Berlin
>mfw there is a movie titled "Byzantium"
>mfw it has nothing to do with Byzantium
I had a couple of thoughts while reading this reply and the replies around it.
These buildings were built to inspire feelings of mystery and divinity. The most effective feature to this end was the verticality of these structures; the tapering steeples and rounded domes directed the attention of the viewer to the heavens, and created an association between the two.
In general, higher stature is connected with strength, and thus a governing body which seeks to create a physical statement of its power and glory will create such structures.
The creation of structures which accomplish this visual feat and also last for time is expensive and unjustifiable for the Third Estate, unlike the First.
The Thomas Jefferson Memorial is my favorite building in DC.
But then again, I do get a bit teary eyed when I see pictures of >>641487
tbqh, for a first attempt it is really not that bad. In terms of epics though it isn't even near the kingdom of heaven but that's cause as I said the Turkish film studio is still in infancy, when it grows up better movies will come out for sure.
I find you to be a humongous cockgobbler.
Hagia Sophia is amazing inside and out expect for all the muslim shit they've put up, the Blue Mosque is a cheap knockoff that really, really fucking stinks. I mean it. The place has a smell problem.
I don't really get overwhelmed by massive monuments, but by moments, when I can imagine the day to day events and actions of an individual in that past time.
Like looking at a small relief and thinking of the sculptor wielding his chisel and hammer 1000 years ago. Standing on an ancient wall, looking over the horizon and thinking how the soldier, 500 years ago must have felt.
One of the best such moments that I've had was in Priene, the bouleuterion there is really well preserved and I was lucky being the only guy at the site then, so none of the hassle of bustling crowds of tourists.
The image of council men debating daily issues became so strikingly clear. Perhaps a speaker trying to raise an issue important to him, with a group of staunch opponents and some men being bored, thinking of how they'll whisk away to the theatre around the corner in the evening.
So banal, yet happening 3000 years ago...
Just compare the beauty of the Registan to the monstrosities being built in Central Asia today.
The tour Eiffel was pretty impressive. Regarding historical landmarks, the ruins of the Heidelberg castle were astonishing.
I went to Uzbekistan (including samarkand and bhukara) two summers ago! It has some of the most insanely nice architecture I've ever seen and I'd really love to go back, as hard as that would be. I genuinely get sad thinking about how amazing that city is and how I won't be able to go back for a while.
In bhukara - crazy lady who was selling us all knives and fags because no legal age apparently
I really like Ostia Antica. When I visited the place for the first time felt like I had already been there before. I inmediately could imagine how life used to be there and felt a deep connection to the place. I know that I sound like some pseudo-spiritualist, but it is true. The Hagia Sophia IS a great testament though. I was in Istanbul a few weeks ago
I got the same feeling about the place.
It's just all ancient ruins and plants no matter where you look; nothing modern around. You can stroll around in there for hours, get lost, recognise things...and there's a lot of wide-open sky right above. Add some summer heat to taste, and it's no wonder the place feels amazing.
Well I find you to be a tasteless faggot not every domed building is a knock off from the hagia sophia. Also tge hagia sophia is so fucking randomly build with random jesus pics here and there while the blue mosque has beautiful semetric mosaics inside it. You're probably acting like this because of muh byzantium anyway.
The grand palace was impressive. Beautiful Architecture. And to think this is only 1/10 of the original palace destroyed by the Burmese in Ayuttaya...
But why can't we use them to give glory to God?
The best monuments imo are the ones that point to the rule of the divine rather than to the rule of man
Regardless of religion and culture, religious monuments mean more to me, and I don't think thats unique
>been three times in Istanbul
>always closed at the hours I can visit, but at least looked great from the outside
>Sultanahmet looked better from the outside, always bumped there at the time of prayer
just fuck my shit up.
Too bad the Hippodrome couldn't survive
They built around the ruins. Here's one of the pillars for reference.
To give credit, this should be an official entrance, after the period of looting.
That is the custom for everyone, you breach in loot&pillage then you get the official entrance, ceremonies etc etc.
Don't know whether the movie has looting scenes though. Mehmed executed his own soldiers for touching Hagia Sophia iirc, since he declared that it was his personal property.