>>606067 They were Greek Romans, just as there were Latin, Gaulish, Punic, Celtic, etc. Romans. The fact they spoke Greek has no contradiction with being Roman at all, especially when most upper-class Romans throughout the empire spoke Greek.
I'm of the opinion that *genuine* Roman civilization slowly died out sometime in the early Byzantine era. It was long in decline, the the fall of the WRE in 476 was a huge blow. Yeah I'm aware the that Eastern Rome/Byzantines were a direct continuation of the Roman empire but I think they evolved into their own separate sort of *thing* as the centuries since the fall of the West passed by.
>>606336 Define "genuine", because Augustus Caesar's generation would have been unrecognizable as Roman to the original founders of the city 700 years earlier, likewise would medieval ERE to Augustus. Every nation and every culture is constantly changing and evolving.
It became centered around the Greeks rather than the Latin speaking Italians. I think the abandonment of Latin in the Byzantine government is a pretty good transition to exemplify that. Again though, this is just my shitty opinion, I'm not really too well read on the subject.
>>606373 >It became centered around the Greeks rather than the Latin speaking Italians. The eastern portions of the empire were always the wealthiest and most important compared to western areas like Britannia, Gaul, and Hispania. Romans were also huge Hellaboos (though it waxed and waned in different periods) and tried to legitimize themselves by saying they were descended from Trojan colonists. The upper class of the empire also almost always spoke Greek as well as Latin, and usually spoke Greek amongst themselves.
>>606373 Justinian is normally considered a Byzantine emperor by those who use this term, and he was a latin-speaking emperor ruling over an empire that had not adopted greek as it's state language yet.
>>606398 Which is probably because you either live in Western Europe or are descended from people from Western Europe. The West forgets that for most of Rome's existence, most of Western Europe was backwards, significantly poorer, and much less densely populated than the east or even the south in North Africa.
>>606014 Because "X Rome" isn't an empire or state, it's a city.
Constantinople was the Second Rome because it was founded by a Roman Emperor to be the second capital of the Roman Empire.
The Byzantine Empire wasn't the "Second Rome," it was just Rome. The Roman Empire lost territory in the 5th century, and even more in the 7th century, and even more in the 11th century, and so on, but it was a continuously existing state until 1453, when it was conquered and dissolved.
>b-but the empire by the 15th century wasn't recognizably "Roman"
Gosh it's almost like things change in a millennium and a half
>>606014 Because they were muslims and muslims abhor everything Rome is and loves such as music, poetry, pictures of people, delicious pork, sex, good fashion, wine, women having a public life, women having rights, women enjoying themselves and their lives.
>>606014 Because they themselves never legitimately considered themselves Romans. It was just a claim thrown in by Mehmed the Conquerer. because he was a bit of a Roman-boo and considered himself a Trojan. After that it was occasionally used as a meme by Ottoman sultans who never took it seriously- even less so than the "Holy"""Roman""" empire.. wo, are easily, even less Roman than the Turks.
>>606014 Well OP I think they were third rome through right of conquest also turkish culture was heavily influenced by byzantine culture , the ottoman people were more or less the same populations just with a different religion and they ruled the same territory.
It is ethnically, culturally, and religiously completely unrelated to Rome, and their state had already existed before they conquered Constantinople. I don't know how they could ever be considered Roman.
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