>>605576 Because the Medes are ethnically and culturally distinct from the Persians despite controlling roughly the same territory. That's like asking why the Seleucid Empire isn't considered the second Persian Empire, or why the Ottoman Empire isn't considered the Third Rome.
>>605617 Again, saying they were both Iranic means very little in the Ancient world; that's like calling Thracians and Hittites the same because they were both Anatolian. The Medes were ethnically distinct from the Parsua, spoke a different language, had a different religion, and predominantly lived in a different section of Iran. That really makes them a different people.
>>607651 >>608183 Kurds and Medes are not the same. First record of Kurds existing was in Xenophon's Anabasis when he mentioned being ambushed by a mountain tribe known as "Karduchoi" (which is most likely proto-Kurds)
>>605576 >>605597 List of dynasties described as a Persian Empire Median Empire (728-549 BC) Achaemenid Empire (550–330 BC) Seleucid Empire (312–63 BC) Parthian Empire (247 BC–224 AD, also called the "Arsacid Empire" Sasanian Empire (224–651), also called the "Empire of Empires" Muslim conquest of Persia (633–654) Samanid Empire (819-999) Saffarid Empire (861-1000) Seljuk Empire (1037–1194) Khwarazmian dynasty (1077-1231), centered in Khwarezm Mongol conquest of Khwarezmia (1218–1221) - Established the Ilkhanate (1256–1335) Safavid dynasty (1501–1736) Afsharid dynasty (1736–1796) Zand dynasty (1750–1794) Qajar dynasty (1785–1925) Pahlavi dynasty (1925–1979)
The Yuan and Qing dynasties are still Chinese empires even though they were founded by non-Han.
>>608249 >The Yuan and Qing dynasties are still Chinese empires even though they were founded by non-Han
But China is somewhat special in that regard. Anyone that rules over them, they consider "Chinese" >Manchurians are part of us >Mongolians are part of us
Imagine if the Japanese had succeeded in conquering China. They would have eventually become "Chinese" as well. >suddenly you realize Japan conquering China would have been the best thing to happen to them ever
>>605761 Its not nonsense. The current affairs of Iranian Studies suggest that the Medes were a distinct and separate tribe of Iranian peoples. You could think of Persians and Medes as distant cousins.
>>608249 Persian is the name of an ethnic group of Iranic peoples. There have really been only three Persian Empires. The others you listed have been Persian speaking/Persianate cultures but they were not Persian Empires.
>>608354 >Imagine if the Japanese had succeeded in conquering China. They would have eventually become "Chinese" as well. Wrongo.
The Yuan and the Qing - Mongols and Manchus- came from a culturally, technologically inferior background that adopted buttloads of Chinese institutions. They *literally* Chinesed themselves.
This is not compared to the Persian case, in which countless cultures imposed their culture upon the Persians.
>Imagine if the Japanese had succeeded in conquering China. They would have eventually become "Chinese" as well. Japan in the 1800's meanwhile is modernized. At the same time, western modernity pretty much BTFO Chinese culture and reverence for it.
Pretty much the idea of the "Central Civilization" philosophy collapsed in the face of modernity: Barbarians "Can" exceed us. Mongol and Manchu conquest did not change this view because even if they won militarily -something which savages can do, according to Chinese- they still demonstrated that culturally, China was still the center of civilization by sinifying themselves.
>>608885 >This is not compared to the Persian case, in which countless cultures imposed their culture upon the Persians. Dude, literally every culture that conquered Persia got massively persianized in 2-3 generations.
>>605597 >Because the Medes were ethnically and culturally distinct from the Persians They were not. Secondly, most Iranianologists consider the Achaemenid/Persian Empire to be the second GREAT Iranian Empire. Cyrus was the maternal grandson of the last Median ruler, his family is in a sense continued under a related dynasty that rules a successor empire.
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