Atheism is depressing

>>601977
Only if you're a fag about it. There's no reason for it to be depressing at all.

Happy atheist here. AMA

>>601981
Why do anything if I came into existence without a higher purpose? It would be comforting to know there was a divine reason for my creation, and actually give a reason to do anything.

>>601995
>2016
>not becoming a Knight of Faith

It's like you don't even want to make it family

>>601995
>why do anything if i cam einto existence without higher purpose?

Lol you might as well just be fucking saying "why go to a soup kitchen or donate to charity? It's not like I'm the one getting fed". Learn to make your own purpose and believe in it. After all, reality is an illusion and our beliefs are subjective.

>>602035
There's no rational justification for just "making your own purposes"; it's just lying to yourself.

>>602058
This to be honest family. I've tried time and time again to make my own purpose, but it always fails because everything I do will go to nothing in the end and I can't lie to myself abput it.

>>602058
>lying to yourself

Oh, my mistake. I didn't realize that believing in talking fucking snakes, boats that can fit the entire animal kingdom,and a god that smites you for picking up a stick on a sunday was completely rational.

>>602084
None of that matters.

>>602088
When did he say he was a Christian? Chill the fuck out dude.

>>602084

1. It goes to nothing in the end because you choose nothing to devote to: see next point.
2. You always fail because you're a fucking failure, you have no motivation or work ethic to get the shit done at least committing to it.
3. You're not lying to yourself, there's no truth in believing a god or higher purpose, that in itself is a delusion.

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>>601977

>>601987
Do you own a fedora?

>>602108
Exactly my point. If there is no objective purpose to anything, what's the point of attaching your own "meaning" to life? It's all subjective, so why bother?

>>601987
How do you do it

>>602118
>every atheist has to be fedora-tier

>>601977
You pushed a perfectly good post into the archive to post this shit.

>>602123
So yes?

>>602114
>Living your one life as you like it
"Mindless automaton"

>Spending life worshipping some desert god
"Not mindless automaton"

Oh boy. Where's that loan?

>>601995
You WANT someone to tell you how to live? I think that'd be rather stifling.

>>602123
The ones that fucking rage out and act like that dude above are definitely fedora tippers.
He just got mad about an existential question on 4skin.

not going outside every day is depressing. atheism is neutral

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>>602121
>meaning assigned to you by outside force
This is good.
>meaning decided upon by yourself
This is bad.

Explain yourself.

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>>602129

>>602145
Everyone will eventually die, and the universe will eventually reach cool homeostasis. Without some permanent goal to aspire to, why even bother? When it comes to making my own "meaning," it's not the fact that I made it that's bad. It's the fact that it, like absolutely everything else, is impermanent.

>>602156
Buddhism

>>602166
I've thought a lot about that, but I'll need some evidence first. Not trying to be euphoric, I just don't want to believe something on a whim.

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>>601977
It is as first, but you eventually get used to it.

Read Camus btw.

>>602174
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_Buddhism

>>602138
Freedom is scary for the weak willed. Like myself.

>>602156
>why even bother?
Because you want to.

>>602196
>because you want to
Literally hedonism

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>>602156
You figured it out. Time to read Camus.

>>602192
> secular Buddhism

absolutely awful tbqh

>>602236
Yes, exactly.

>>602237
Just looked him up, he seems pretty cool. Thanks for introducing me to him friend.

>>601977
Not really.

>>601977
>Atheism is depressing
Why do you care?

>>601977
Just because you don't believe in a personal God doesn't mean you can't believe in other feel-good bullshit

Somewhat related, but I don't understand when atheists say certain religions are inherently evil if they punish non-believers. If you don't believe in the religion, why would the punishment concern you to begin with? The concept of Hell should be as benign to you as the concept of a God. Yet people tend to use this argument to show how religions oppose those who don't believe. The whole idea is to believe; that's the point.

Am I an athiest if I have no religion, don't believe in god, and just in general indifferent to all things religious?

>>602195
Then stop being a faggot and lean to use your freedom.

>>602317

Of course. What did you think an atheist was?

Why do you need to be happy?

>>602368
A man wearing a silly fedora?

I find it, and the ultimate conclusions of existential and moral nihilism rather liberating. I get to do what I do because I want to.

>>602368
A lot of people say they are athiests, but they spend so much time disproving god and explaining why religion is worthless that I question their indifference. If they ignored religion, it would go away.

>There are people on this board who need priests and bishops to tuck them in at night and tell them that it'll all be okay

>>602236
Yes, and?

>>602385
>if they ignored religion, it would go away.

That doesn't hold a lot of water when there are currently religious groups that hold substantial temporal power.

>>602375

If you actually believe anything you read or see on /pol/ than you are silly.

>>602385

An atheist is simply someone that lacks belief in God, whether they are indifferent to religion or not is irrelevant.

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>he doesn't have a waifu

this is your problem, op

>>602385
That's just anti-theism.

>>602236

>no fun allowed!

>>602156

Don't worry, senpai. In a few billion years I'm going to use the combined energy of several galaxies to reach back in time and transfer the consciousness of every human into a virtual world milliseconds before their death. Then, I'll tunnel through to other universes with everyone on tow so that we can all know the horrifying embrace of eternity together.

We live in an increasingly secular age. These days it is so easy to just believe in absolutely nothing. There is so much 'proof'. You know where proof comes from, however? The world around you. Use your spiritual energies to find God. Use the material world to find God. Everything exists as a result of God, and many proofs do as well.

>>602415
your waifu is gross

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>>602415
you are FUCKING IT UP if your waifu is not from the perfect world of forms

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Yeah, thinking about the ultimate fate of everything is a bummer.
I choose to focus on my own life though, because whatever happens after I am dead is totally irrelevant. You can choose to either make the best of the short life that you have, or you can kill yourself. I'm not saying that to be a dick. That's really what your options boil down to.

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>>602415

>3DPD

>>602445

Those options are both just secondary branches on the main path of accepting death.

The two primary paths are accepting death or pursuing immortality.

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I don't think you realize how hellish eternity would be and the absolute real meaningless of existence that goes on forever. Like a book that never ends, madness.

>>602461

Yes, but the alternative is dying

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>>602477

There's no need to be frightened, anon.

>>602424
oh man thanks, that takes a load off my shoulders

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>>602477
Right, and that's a hell of a lot better.

>>602502
What a bleak, depressing perception. Why did this enter my eye holes.

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>>602477

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>>601977
No, you're just being a baby about it.

>>602152
That is more accurately scientism.

>>602549
>>602530
>>602502

But why would I accept death when I can have more life?

>>602560
>in a way, it gives more sanctity and meaning than any religion could dream.

No it fucking doesn't, it makes life a giant pointless joke. It makes existence utterly and completely meaningless and the fools that think like you will always, ALWAYS, be in the minority. It will lead to depression, apathy, and destruction.

>>602575

What makes you think your own ignorance is stronger than death?

>>602575
We are assuming you can not.

>>602590

What's wrong with life being a giant pointless joke and existence being utterly and completely meaningless?

>>602560
That's so fucking depressing.

>>602590
>No it fucking doesn't, it makes life a giant pointless joke. It makes existence utterly and completely meaningless and the fools that think like you will always, ALWAYS, be in the minority. It will lead to depression, apathy, and destruction.

Where are you posting from, Pakistan?

>>602598
That we're here and have to live with that. I don't want existence to be meaningless, I don't want there to be a giant nothing, I don't want to exist in that world and I don't want you too either

You should die, we should all just die because nothing matters.

>>602606
If nothing matters, then why not live?

>>602595
Why can't I? Have we really tried not dying?

>>602594

I don't know if it is or not, but I'm still trying it.

>>602595

Why would you assume the answer to an unanswered question instead of trying to find the answer yourself?

>>602606

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo

>>602606
You must be fun at parties. Think of life as a big party. It's pointless waste of time without a deeper meaning, but it's pretty fun.

>>602617

Well, lots of us have, but you in particular haven't. I say go for it.

>>601977
>be an atheist
>can murder, rape, jerk off as I please
>all this freedom

It's liberating. I get to choose to be moral, and the pressure to pick morals comes from within myself.

>>602615
Because it just ends in death anyway, all our experience, all our efforts they're for naught, they're just one more flag in an endless sea of banners, an utterly redundant pointless, meaningless waste of time, waste of resources, waste of everything, all the happiness, misery, pain, joy everything a pointless waste, nothing but death as the reward, nothing but black endless nothingness we're a god damn mistake we might as well just dies now it's the same fucking difference

>>602606

>You should die, we should all just die because nothing matters

Feel free to do that at any time. You're using up valuable resources we could put towards living longer.

>>602638
Yeah. One day humans will be extinct. It will be like we were never here.

You can still kick some ass in life. Just have some mercy on your future self and do something dangerous and interesting

>>602560

Dem feels.

>>602638
It's the journey, not the destination. Do you shun tasty food and fun activities because you know that they'll only be enjoyable for a short period of time?

>>602645
why bother you'll just die anyways so will everyone you care about and everyone they care about and everyone you've ever seen, they'll all just die, none of it fucking matters

>>602655
Fuck that, the destination is everything.

>>602638

Ohhh boy you're going to be mad when >>602424 happens.

Get ready for an eternity of pointlessness.

>>602657
Matters to what? Stop positing an eternal observer. None exists. The only thing you should be worried about is what your future self thinks of you now.

>>602651
Fuck that I'm going to heaven and reincarnating.

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>>602599
Sounds like you don't understand the value of tragedy.

>>602659
Yeah, so I set my destination the top of the world.

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>>602664

Sure lad, sure.

>>602663
Why the fuck not? Who gives a shit, life is pointless, existence is meaningless, we're a fucking accident so I'll post whatever the fuck I want.

>>602657

But even when they're all dead, I could still be alive. All I really care about is continuing to experience life.

>>602664
There is no heaven and no you aren't.

>>602606
I've never seen someone in more desperate need of Camus.

>>602675
Then post whatever the fuck you want all by yourself. Bye.

>>602670
And yet you're on the chans at 20 til midnight on a sunday

>inb4 I'm in australia

>>601977
No it is idea of suffering or idea of mad pleasure after death is depressing.

>>602659
So you want eternity which by definition has no destination at all? Endless journey? No finality or closure? Madness.

>>602687

But it's 05:40 on Monday morning.

>>602693
>living the dream

>>602682
Ok, bye.

>>602680
Surrender monkeys can fuck off

>>602678
Yes I am, you can't tell me what to do.

>>602692
That is the destination.

>>602693
that's worse

>>602707
Eternity is the destination? Existence with finality is pointless and miserable but endless existence isn't. What's going through your fucking head.

>>602692

You call it madness, I also call it madness, but it's a madness that I'm willing to accept instead of nothingness.

Why are atheists such utter cunts when confronted with an opposing viewpoint? Why to them is the only acceptable response to being presented with a pointless existence ending in a black void utter glee and appreciation?


Why isn't anger at the cosmic joke that is the accident of life equally acceptable? Are they just close minded unempathetic individuals that can't into understanding people?

>>602716
>Eternity is the destination?
Life is.

Has anyone who is an athiest ever turned around and believed in god or a higher power?

>>602719
If it all is pointless, what is there to be/get angry about?

>>602719
>Are they just close minded unempathetic individuals that can't into understanding people?
yes, yes they are, it's why they're stereotyped as losers

>>602724
You tell me.

>>601987
How's it feel to indulge in hedonism like your average peasant and live a meaningless life?

>>602729
Feels alright, man. Have you ever tried MDMA?

>>602719
Why do theists get so angry when someone mentions that God runs a celestial North Korea?

Nobody likes a whiner. It has nothing to do with belief.

>>602737
I want to try LSD.

>>602738
Answer the question, why is one response valid but the opposite not? Fundamentally they're both "muh feelings" yet one upsets you and the other doesn't.

>>602741
Do it. Shrooms are great too.
If you live in the US you can legally buy mushrooms spores online. Growing mushrooms is very easy.

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>>602415
>People who worship god are dumb
>Worships an animated child

>>602749
I don't live in the US and am a friendless loser, money isn't the object the problem is I don't know any dealers.

>>602606
>being unable to come to terms with your death
Time to grow up anon.

>>602755
What country?

>>602758

>being unwilling to pursue more life

>>602687
Sorry? I just spent 12 hours filling out applications for summer research, studies for my quiz, did my homework and am listening to music with my girlfriend

I can't hear what you're getting at over the sound of how based I am in my life.

>>602741
LSD is fun but just don't go around after telling people about it.

>>602707
Yeah. You can't punch me in the face right now. No matter how deluded you are won't change that fact.

>>602747
He's just a close minded asshole that can't stand opposing viewpoints and goes online to find people to feel superior to on whatever stupid topic. There's no real difference and anger at being a mistake is perfectly justifiable as is the whole 'lets make the best out of it' approach. By the same reasoning that engendered both views it's all completely pointless and thus equally valid in their pointlessness.

>>602768
>the I'm actually a giant winner and am super smart and have a super hot grilfriend and go to a super great college and will get everything I want in life meme
>I'm not on a malaysian wood carving site at the wee hours of the morning because I'm a loser like the rest of you guys
>h-honest

Yeah, ok anon, I believe you.

>>602777
there's infinite realities in which I just did.

>>602737
>>602741


The psychedelic experience is a doorway which leads to a hallway which leads to only what you want to find within yourself.

In other terms, a drug is nothing but a high-yield (fast but not perfect) technique to reach partly what your reason and heart cannot achieve fully in your opinion. If anything, it is a total lack of confidence in your reason and in your abilities to philosophy to be at ease with life; ease which remains unlikely, given that the choice of doing these drugs with the goal of opening your awareness and opening your mind is already a sign of close-mindedness and poor ability to reflect.

>>602796
Neat anon, srsly neat and super duper analysis of a few posts on the imageboard....Srsly though, I just heard a bunch of stuff and want to try it, sounded like fun.

>>602763
Does it matter?

>>602815
It might. I am not an expert on international laws, but if you live in Europe your drug situation is good. If you live in South America you can probably get mescaline. If you live in Australia you are fucked.

>>602719
So anyone else care to actually answer this rather than spout memes at it? Or was >>602783 completely right?

>>602791
Kek

>>602795
Modal realism is retarded, anon.

>>602824
You can't grow shrooms on the desert?

>>602831
You're retarded, anon.

>>602719
Maybe because we realize the question isn't meaningful, isn't daunting and is a mistake in language?

We have no idea what happens when we die. Anyone who pretends so is an idiot. Death may just be another kickass thing you get to do.

>>602835
I don't know if spores are legal in Australia. I know that Aussie customs is pretty thorough, drug prices are high, and Australia bans a bunch of stuff that isn't banned in other countries.

>>601977
It really is

>>602840
K

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I agree, it's depressing that so many retards have fallen for such an obvious zionist conspiracy.

>>602842
>isn't meaningful,
Subjective, why is only the meaning you attach to it important? Why are other views and interpretations, the meaning discenred through other ears not equally as important as your own?

>isn't daunting
Same as above, why is only what you find daunting important?
>and is a mistake in language?

Explain.

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these people haven't even read Nietzsche lmao

>>602848
Alright then.

>>602854
>no intelligence behind the universe implies materialism

Wow, I had no idea CS Lewis was an utter retard.

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>>602864
nice rebuttal! you sure got him fellow redditor!

>>602857
>Subjective, why is only the meaning you attach to it important? Why are other views and interpretations, the meaning discenred through other ears not equally as important as your own?
Because that's tautological. You only find meaning through others via the transitive property. You decide others are important so you regard their opinions. Entirely subjective still.

>Same as above, why is only what you find daunting important?
Because I've been to higher peaks and can see further than you. I won't chase this rabbit hole with you so take it or leave it.

>Explain.
The way retards, Christians and stupid atheists speak always presupposes their own conclusions.

It's more important to ask whether the teleological question makes sense and in what contexts it makes sense, rather than to flip out about questions that might not have a consistent basis for them.

>>602868
Being a flagrant asshole won't convince me that what he's saying is acceptable. And what I said was a very obviously stupid point on his argument. Materialism and no intelligence behind the universe are not equivalent stances.

>>602868
This picture doesn't disprove the notion that Stalin and other such cunts did not kill because of atheism. The reason commies push atheism is because they want their people to see the state as the highest possible authority.
I suppose you could argue that they killed/subjugated members of the clergy in order to promote atheism, which is true. It's still just the means to an end though.

>>602868
Also *tips fedora*

At least some people don't take it as a personal insult when a shitty author they like is called shitty.

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There is still time to repent. God will never leave you nor forsake you.

>>602918
Beware people who peddle otherworldly property. Stay with yourself, stay with this world, young men.

>>602854

>unless your brain is made of magic you can't even think

Whew, CS, lad.

>>602934
I feel kinsmanship to Benjamin Franklin, every time I read apologists for Christ I'm even more sure I don't believe it.

>>602918
Maybe I should convert to Sikhism then.

>>601977
A little bit tbqh

All you faggoty ass cowards!

There's a whole ocean to sail into!

Cut your ropes! You're moored to a rotted dock!

No God is absolutely stunning!

>>601995
>a higher purpose
What does the mean and how is being a building block in the evolutionary story not a purpose higher than your own existence?

>>603012
Shhh, they haven't realized that nothing they say makes sense in alternate frameworks.

Only a Christian or someone else embedded in the culture understands how retarded it is to presuppose an external meaning to life

>>602308
Its not benign because people who believe that try to impose hell on earth to people who dishonor their moral code because they legitimately believe their source of goodness is filled with spiteful vengeance and the world needs authoritarian laws and draconian punishment to impose god's order.

Honestly, I find the concept of heaven infinitely more terrifying than oblivion.

>>603052
This

>nothing happens when you die
>so you won't be there to experience it

Sounds nice desu

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So tell me why we worship god again?

>>603082
fags need something concrete to cling to because they can't handle open waters.

>>603082
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLZ6zrPy6oo

>>603095
>God is not the world, he only created it
And in doing so he also created pain, suffering, inequality....He's still a cunt in my books

>>603104
It's only temporary.

"He's" not a person, either.

>>603123
>"He's" not a person, either.

No one said he was.

>>603123
Lol

>Christians

>>603123
>It's okay to inflict pain upon someone because it's only temporary

>>603123
Then why don't you kill yourself and go straight to heaven so you can just be god yourself again and bypass all the pain, suffering, and inequality inherent in physical existence?

>>603173
Because all of that pain is literally caused by your perception of the world, rather than the world itself.

There will ultimately be justice for the humans who have caused others immense suffering. See you there.

>>603189

I must have missed the part where humans cause earthquakes.

>>603012
Evolution is a random and mindless mess that has created beings capable of experiencing incomprehensible levels of agony for the purpose of keeping an increasingly mutated strand of molecules in existence. At least with religion there's a promise of eternal bliss. With evolution it's just pointless agony with no reward.

>>603189
No, pain is caused by the nervous system.

>humans who have caused others immense suffering
You literally just said that can not happen because you believe suffering is caused by the sufferer's perspective rather than outside forces.

>>603203
That's why it's our responsibility to leave the world better than we found it. If life itself is the only reward, we should at least make it a good one.

>>603203
You should read more about the Evolution.

>>603203
>Evolution is a random and mindless
No, random mutation is. Natural selection has reasonable justification.

>has created beings capable of experiencing incomprehensible levels of agony
What about the incomprehensible levels of euphoria and pleasure through enlightenment?
Why have people helped to collectively make average suffering decrease while pleasure has increased over time if struggle has no blissful reflection points that makes dopamine its own reward?

>>603203
Empty promises are worthless.

>>603189
No there won't. I can't believe you paid money for a bridge.

>>603195
How do we know we don't in recent decades?

To answer your question: there are a lot of perspectives regarding natural disasters. I have a paper on it if you'd like to read it.

>>603204
>No, pain is caused by the nervous system.
I'm not talking about physical pain. Mental pain is not material in the same sense, nor is spiritual pain.

>You literally just said that can not happen because you believe suffering is caused by the sufferer's perspective rather than outside forces.
That does not absolve the oppressors of their guilt.

>>603243
>How do we know we don't in recent decades?
Because plate tectonics causing earthquakes explains earthquakes much more accurately than how modest women's clothing is.

>>603243
>How do we know we don't in recent decades?

Call it a hunch, anon.

>>603249
>than how modest women's clothing is.
Beautiful strawman. You knew I was talking about the alleged anthropocene caused by humanity's collective disrespect for their station as vice-regents of the earth.

>>603252
>I know everything
You'll grow out of it. Hopefully.

>>603210
Or just end the world to make sure no one has to endure agony ever again.
>>603224
The levels of euphoria do not come close to the levels of agony that exists or the levels of drudgery that exists between them.
>Why have people helped to collectively make average suffering decrease while pleasure has increased over time if struggle has no blissful reflection points that makes dopamine its own reward?
Most people who have struggled still believed in an afterlife of one sort or another, and the reward was not a mere dopamine rush, but either achieving eternal bliss or avoiding eternal damnation

>>603262
>Beautiful strawman.
Not a strawman at all, actually. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/apr/19/women-blame-earthquakes-iran-cleric . I didn't get your exact flavor of mystical mumbo-jumbo correct, but it was definitely the right ballpark.

Human activity contributes to weather, not earthquakes. Earthquakes can be more destructive to humans than they were in the distant past because of construction techniques and locations, but we do not cause earthquakes.

>God creates humans so he can be worshiped
>He makes them imperfect and gifts them with pain and agony so nothing will ever be as good as him

What a monumental douchebag

>>601977
Then think about Theology. Think about what you actually believe by Atheism, that is, that the entire universe came from nothing. It's a literal impossibiility, something can't come from nothing.

That said I'm not religious, but I'm researching the early history of the Abrahamic to see how much evidence (i.e not the Bible, etc) I can find for the possibility of any of them being true

>>602114
The biggest strawman on /his/ right now.

>>603281
Abrahamic religions*

>>603281
>something can't come from nothing.
Where did god come from?

>>602058
Religion is making your own purposes.

>>603281
The Big Bang does not suggest that "something" came from "nothing," merely that "everything" used to be in a much smaller space.

>>603263
Not that anon, but if these things just exist, then why would you expect humans to be 'entitled' to either 'happiness or suffering'?

>>603273
>I didn't get your exact flavor of mystical mumbo-jumbo correct, but it was definitely the right ballpark.
Not at all. My faith can be entirely supported by reason.

>Human activity contributes to weather, not earthquakes. Earthquakes can be more destructive to humans than they were in the distant past because of construction techniques and locations, but we do not cause earthquakes.
You've never heard of the Three Gorges Dam?

I guess they're just conspiracy theories and we should not take responsibility for our actions at all.

>>603243
Mental functions are a condition of a brain which is the major component of the nervous system while spiritual behavior is the observation of the form and aesthetics of a physical body.

>That does not absolve the oppressors of their guilt.
Then god needs to be punished because suffering is ultimately just one of god's evil creations.

>>602842
>We have no idea what happens when we die.
See you know this, but too many other atheists take on a full materialist worldview and objectively state that when you die, that's it. The fact that we literally don't know what happens after death doesn't occur to them.

>>603308
>Three Gorges Dam
Accelerated existing seismic activity. If you'd like, you can say it "triggered" earthquakes that were already in development, but the dam is not the cause of earthquakes any more than the assassination of Franz Ferdinand "caused" WWI.

>>603317
when you die you turn into a penis who lives in a world of cellophane and motor oil and dancing tigers

>>603263
>The levels of euphoria do not come close to the levels of agony that exists
Yes, most people spend much more time eating good food, getting laid, or having a nice poop than they spend having a heart attack or stroke and drudgery is the result of your own lack of imagination, ambition, and self control.

The only reason they still believe and indulge in extra sensory supernatural speculation is because of the dopamine rush weak minds get just trying to conceptualize something as vague and complex as eternal bliss or eternal punishment for people you don't like.

>>603330
>Yes, most people spend much more time eating good food, getting laid, or having a nice poop than they spend having a heart attack or stroke and drudgery is the result of your own lack of imagination, ambition, and self control.
In the Western world maybe. God seems to have abandoned Africa, much of Asia, the Middle East and a good deal of South America a long time ago

>>603320
That's cute. Same goes for all the drilling we're doing and all the countless other projects on earth.

The LHC is another dubious issue, but science can never harm. Can it?

>>603339
>Africa
Humans killing and raping humans. Widespread corruption in contravention to Abrahamic morals. Nihilistic worldviews prevalent.

>Asia
Ditto. More of the latter than the former.

>Middle East
Great Satan set the ball rolling here.

>South America
Everything above, but with extra Communism.

People have abandoned God.

>>603347
It's not "cute," it's reality. If you want to revive your 90s Save The Dolphins treehugger thing, that's your business, but if you spread misinformation all you are going to do is put people off once they do more research. Human activity absolutely has an effect on the environment, but it isn't magic. Talk about burning down rain-forests for barely-fertile farmland, talk about the massive rate of habitat loss causing unprecedented rates of extinction, talk about population growth curves and carrying capacities, whatever you'd like. But the whole "science is bad, maaan~ the LHC is gonna make a big black hole and swallow us all up!" hippie bullshit poisons the whole conversation.

>>603358
>People have abandoned God.
No they haven't those are some of the most devout areas in the world. Why are the peasants in these areas starving to death, shtting their guts out from diarrhea, dying of malaria, aids and ebola, is it because their human leaders are corrupt?

That hardly seems fair. God's still a cunt

>>603358
>most religious places on the planet
>shitholes

Yeah, who knew.

>>603339
Then why do people tend to report being happier in the rural parts of some of those countries than in western countries for the annual World Happiness Report?

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>>603379
>not one African country in the top 30
And if we look at the Human Development index we'll see the same thing

>>603360
>Everyone who isn't anthropocentric is a darned treehugger
Easy there, Billy Bob.

>point out your absolutism in affirming science can do no wrong
>you think I'm implying the inverse absolute
Nice meme.

>>603371
>devout
Devout to figurines and voodoo spirits, yes.

The only religious place that's "miserable" is the Middle East, and that's because muh Western Democracies created power vacuums and flooded the area with weapons.

>>603387
Several Asian, South American, and Middle Eastern countries appear in the top 30, though, and even the lowest countries have something of a happiness level, so their lives aren't incomprehensible levels of pure agony that have been completely abandoned by goodness.

>>602719
>Why isn't anger at the cosmic joke that is the accident of life equally acceptable?

It's perfectly acceptable, but it's two things: a pointless response that brings you unnecessary misery, and an indicator that you haven't yet come to peace with that fact.

Also plenty of people in this thread tried reasonable responses, like recommending authors that had suggestions on how to come to terms with that fact who got bitchy shit in return.

>>602540
Because failure to accept death is a mental problem that brings misery and shame to humanity in its tow

>>602590
You sad, mentally broken man

>>603927
It's not failure to accept death. It's using life to determine that there is something more, which is unbelievably hard.

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Life is utterly meaningless, we're smaller than a billionth of a pixel in the grand scope of the universe
As are all our ideals and emotions, our deaths will erase everything

I find that thought extremely liberating

>>601977
Only if you need God's existence to be true in order to sustain your emotional well being.

So?

>>604851
I guess ultimately it's an emotional appeal to promote theism.

>>604820
This anime poster gets it

>>602035
If you highlight his text and then click the post number, the highlighted text will be quoted for you

>>602014
>2016
>living a life bound by a perpetual circle of paradox and self-reference

Kierkegaard pisses me off every time I pick that book up

I may sound Reddit, but wouldn't Pantheism solve the problems between atheism and religion?

>>606442
Do expand on that.

>>606445
Everyone seems to be so caught up in this idea that the answer is absolutely that their is a god or their isn't. Pantheism makes this question meaningless by placing the god status on what is reality itself. Prayer to a pantheist would be unrelated to any authority, but a deep personal connections pulled from observations distinct to an individuals life.

>>606442
How would Pantheism work? Since both the Bible and the Qu'ran insist that there is only one god, and it is theirs and the rules of theirs should therefore prevail, it could not possibly work unless you strip back and cut out some fundamental parts of both religions. Once this is done you therefore need to apply it to every religion in existence, but good luck getting a Christian to accept Scientology or the insistence that Zeus is the god king.

>>601977
Being sober is depressing, but I rather not live as a happy drunk.

>>606556
I'm no expert in the fundamental rules of Christianity and Islam, and have no idea how all would turn from their dogmatic beliefs. But I can say that a pantheist wouldn't be worried about rules to follow. They would just be aware through their senses of what is going around them, and of the connections that affect both them and others.

>>606680
Does this still not require abandoning their gods then?

>>606707
Usually believing in a god entails security from the thought of death. Many people crave those types of thoughts for comfort. But instead of looking at your belief as the absolute pinnacle of what is right, recognize that it is only an extension of what goes on in the entirety of your life. You only go to church for so many hours in a week, you learn some moral lessons, and you head home with some ideas to contemplate. Those ideas, if they are heartfelt can influence your life greatly, but be aware that they are only influences from the context of the church and not the whole entirety of this complex world.

>>603203
Do not divide pain and agony form pleasure.
It's a false dichotomy since both are mere leanings of feeling in general towards different directions.
People can sense, that is the correct statement.
No matter how much better we make the world there will always be agony since it is relative. There will always be happiness as well since it is relative as well.
Life is both pain and joy at the same time since the human experience includes sensing.

>>602677
I suffered exactly what you went through. I try every single day to get better and to move on with my life. I want to live and then i will die. But that is ok if i die. I realized living eternally is just horrible. More life would not make me happy. Focus on whats really bothering you anon. Get yourself out of the hole it's destructive.

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>>602424
Thanks senpai

>>606857
Believing in God entails belief. As in, verifiable proof of the existence of God.

Something of this level of faith can only be proven through yourself, of course.

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>>602638
I think I'd rather just die

>>603330
>Yes, most people spend much more time eating good food, getting laid, or having a nice poop than they spend having a heart attack or stroke and drudgery is the result of your own lack of imagination, ambition, and self control.
>says the macro-level ruling class whiteboi in an industrialized nation within the incredibly short pocket of time in which a "comfortable life" is even conceivable

Almost all of history for almost all people was almost all suffering, and it's likely it will be that way again soon as civil society fails to keep pace with exponentially rising technology and institutional development

It's the context, not the text.

Read some Zen. Listen to Alan Watts.

Feel better.

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>>602638

>>607621
No it wasn't, you were just cucked at an educational institution whose goal is to enslave your mind with fear and only teach you war.

>>602156
Pleasure

>>602627
This is the best philosophy really

>>602630
>implying you don't go to parties to get laid

>>608275
>implying you don't live to get laid

>>601995
What is this higher purpose exactly? You'll stay in a boring place for EVER doing the same goddamn thing for ever and ever. It's even more depressing.

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When will they learn?

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>tfw Christian but still dread life.

How do I overcome this?

>>610146
Work a dangerous job so you can go to Heaven faster.

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>>602645

BRUTAL

>>608745
>mfw it's the opposite for me

>>602192
>sasha grey
dostoyvesky and kierkegaard would be ashamed of modern existentialists

>>601977
Not really,I find abrahamic religions to be incredibly depressing.

>>601987
Are you euphoric at this moment?

>>601995
If god were real, that wouldn't change anything with regard to meaning. You'd still just do what he says out of the reward of heaven and fear of hell.

>>602638
You should kill yourself, so happy people don't have to deal with your crying. You're just a burden.

>>602560
>Dawkings and Hitchens both know

>implying anyone knows anything about the afterlife

I KNOW that there is a planet out there that is made out of dildos. Maybe I could write a book.

>>602560
If you are not insane from the concept of death it is either because you don't truly understand it or you are an alcoholic

>>611975
You tell that to yourself to feel better? Does death scare you? Do you not want to die? Why fight against something so natural that happens all of us, theres no reason to fear it.

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fuck me, why did I read this thread before bed

>>612077
Why would that make someone feel better? Why wouldn't it scare you? If you want to die so badly why haven't you killed yourself? Who said anything about fighting, you can't, it happens to everything, your perspective does not matter, you were made just to be consumed and you have no idea when it will happen, but everything around you could cause it and some things are too big or small for you to even observe not to mention all the little monsters inside of you right now from all the living things you have consumed that are constantly working to end your days, how it that not dreadful?

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>>612242
>how it that not dreadful?

Not him, but death is simply a fact of life. To find the prospect dreadful would be as absurd as considering the prospect that I was born at all dreadful.

>>607366

I pity you for losing the drive to pursue eternity, but I'm also glad that you eventually won't be consuming valuable resources that I can use to further my goal.

>>601977
it isn't

>>612264
There is evidence to prove the existence and function of psychoactive chemicals an it doesn't matter how much you fight, you will still perish like a dog, you will just be a beaten dead dog.

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>Nihilism
Make your own meaning of life

Existence is too interesting to amount to nothing.

You can not shrug away the glory of the universe as meaningless and without beauty. I don't care if you can explain aspects of the universe, or attempt to explain its origin. You cannot deny the beauty of it all. I am without doubt that the universe was created by intelligent design. It's all too important to be declared meaningless.

It's why it astounds me that in today's time so many intellectuals are atheist.

>>612279

When you turn 16 check back with me.

>>612264
Fight what?

>>612272
You were born with a terminal condition that will most definitely kill you and your only hope is to impose that condition onto someone new like life is The Ring, but everyone dies. It is not absurd to fear that at all except that you can't dread something that has already happened, you can only distress over it and dread giving birth to someone new just to prolong part of yourself.

>>612315

This is actually where I ended up after the fact of all the teenage existential dilemma bullshit

>>612306
What if that meaning is god?

>>611975

"If you are not insane from the concept of death it is either because you don't truly understand it or you are an alcoholic"

- Guy on internet.

>>612312
Time Cube is too complex to be a delusion.

Natural selection is design by intelligence. If universe is all equally beautiful and meaningful, then you are just as important to the universe as the trail of shit ejected by a sea urchin.

>>612323

Well that's a shame. I hope you and Ray Kurzweil will enjoy playing Tetris together.

>>612341

Zen.

>>612345

We share tangentially similar goals, but I suspect that Kurzweil and I have radically different ideologies.

>>612355

Regardless, it'll be you and him and a couple other schlubs drifting through the chasm of space and time while the rest of us peacefully sleep.

So enjoy the Tetris.

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>>601977
Op, from a scientific and evolutionary standpoint humans as a species must adapt, reproduce, and overcome. If anything strive to help your species last longer in a meaningful way. If you are somehow unable or unwilling, consider a family and instill philanthropy in your children.

>>612360

See

>>602424

>>612341

Is there video of the Time Cube guy actually taking about his "theories"?

That site always seemed way too schizophrenic to be put into an intelligible spoken presentation.

>>612365

Egomaniacal virgin detected.

>>612360

I mean, I'll eventually have to kill him and the schlubs, but sure.

>>612369

Correct on both counts

>>612366
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn2UCqL5qyo
There are a few, this is the most popular.

>>612320
I don't see how imposing that condition on anyone provides any sort of hope, but I still see no point in finding the concept of death dreadful. It's something inescapable, and dreading it is just wasting my limited time.

>>612374

Oh, so he literally just talks like he writes. Jesus.

>>612375
>dreading it is just wasting my limited time
Define waste, time is by definition simply entropy wasting away matter, so you can't participate in the movement of time without wasting away something that is limited and pointless. In fact, the less limited your time is, the more artificial waste you personally impose on rest of the universe which might be the universe's goal anyway since the universe is actively destroying itself with incomprehensible explosions, implosions, and overall destructive wasteful power.

>>612371

I can promise you that if you ditch the ego, or at least put a damper on it, you'll be much much happier.

I really recommend you check out some Zen philosophy.

>>612383

Time Cube guy fucking rules.

>>612404

Happiness is fairly low on my priority list.

>>612418

You sound like you're about 14 or 15.
You sound like you don't have many friends or people around you can talk to.
You sound like you've retreated into an artificial shell where you're the star, and you've begun to fetishize your ego.

You're not alone in this way of thinking, but I promise you that you'll grow out of it.

Please just don't end up like Ray Kurzweil, and pursue a manic, desperate attempt to escape death when really, death has nothing to do with it outside of being the inevitable dissolution of your precious ego, which is an imaginary friend to begin with.

>>612418

tl;dr trying to help. Knew people like you in high school. All virgin, alcoholic neckbeards now.

Ditch the ego. It's the worst sort of God you can believe in.

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>>612418
m8 go outside and get laid. You won't regret it. Don't become like my room mate or sits in his room all day with the blinds closed and feels the need to tell me how he's superior to all these plebs with jobs and friends.

>>612447

>You sound like you're about 14 or 15.
I'm currently halfway through my bachelor's

>You sound like you don't have many friends or people around you can talk to.
I'm definitely not the most social person, but I have a small group of friends that I hold dear, and a few years ago I enforced a minimum of two out-of-the-house social activities per week on myself, and held to it. A smaller subset of that group knows about my goals and we've discussed them at length.

>You sound like you've retreated into an artificial shell where you're the star, and you've begun to fetishize your ego.
I'm under no illusion that I'm a star. I know full well that I'm a frightened, scrambling bacterium.

>the inevitable dissolution of your precious ego
I don't separate my ego from my self.

>>612470
>m8 go outside and get laid. You won't regret it.
Why do people with herpes always say this kind of thing?

>>612470

How am I supposed to pursue my goals with no starting capital from a job? That would be beyond stupid.

>>612489
Go get a job then?

>>612493

That's already checked off the list.

>>603330
>than they spend having a heart attack or stroke
There are countless other unpleasantries than that and they are far more prevalent than any pleasure. Also, most people just don't have such vibrant imaginations that they can amuse themselves at will.

>>612502
Well whats the next goal?

>>612506

Resume classes in the summer or fall once I've paid off my debt to the university and can assume responsibility for my own tuition.

>>612504
There are far more pleasures to every sensation than just orgasms and eating, those are just the most extreme pleasures and they are fully repeatable, whereas the worst unpleasantness has the added benefit of ending abruptly or causing you to go into shock.

>>612515
Sounds good senpai, remember to join a club and a make some friends

>>612481

> I don't separate my ego from my self.

Well, there's your problem.

Enjoy the Tetris, virginity and two 'out-of-the-house' social activities a week.

>>612524

I'm still going to campus every week to play Go on the sly with Chem grad students in the middle of the night.

>>612526
Why do you think some discredited Freudian Religion will solve his problems?

>>602424
>about to die
>"nah man, it's cool, anon said he'll save me."
>die
>"FUCKING ANON PIECE OF SHIT"

>>602156
>because something will cease to exist, it shouldn't be made to exist in the first place

That seems rather dull. Why not partake in existence while you have it?

>>602719
>you feel anger towards the void
>the void feels nothing towards you

There's a net loss there. Why not choose to revel in the meaningless of existence when it means that you can do anything you want, and not have to serve some sort of cosmic eternal responsibility?

>>602918
>omnipotent
>omniscient
>incorporeal
>immutable
>eternal
>only one

So, our own plane of existence? This thing that has to be defined as "God" does not have to be defined as a "being"; it must only fit the criteria above. And everything that has ever been, ever happened, or ever known exists within our universe.

So is it false to call the universe God?

>>601977
I'd honestly compare atheism to the horror of Lovecraft. Those with a strong sense of self motivation can survive the pulling of the curtain to reveal utter irrelevance, but those who need an anchor besides the self simply spiral down into depression and nihilism.

>>602858
Eternal return motherfucker.

Remember all this is what willing to be accepted and says nothing about the external world.

The external one and the internal one are two different realms, it is the understanding of the ideas that we develop the names for things.

The name of things does not change the nature of things in the external world. That is, no matter how depressing Atheism is, it does not change the external universe.