>>599985 >actually believing that people are equal
In what? Capabilities? Certainly not, that's largely genetic and cultural. Equal opportunities? Yeah, in your dreams.
It's really simple, anon. Western civilization, as the unquestionable high point of human achievement, should intervene in lesser cultures and bring them our values. If they are led by stubborn leaders and backwards ideologies, we should intervene with more aggression and tear them down. The people in those countries deserve to profit from western thought, even if they don't know it yet.
>>600003 B-b-but anon, they don't profit from it, WE do. And they're backward because we fucked their shit up. Your lack of cultural relativism and presence of western exceptionalism denotes a lack of education. Have you ever read The Communist Manifesto anon? Edgyness is not avant-garde anymore.
>>600036 >They're backwards because we fucked their shit up
I'm sure they were living in gleaming cities paved with gold before the eternal anglo & co arrived, Anon.
>Lack of cultural relativism and presence of western exceptionalism
Why is it so hard for you to accept that the West is truly exceptional, Anon? We have it better than most other cultures. Or perhaps you just want to reverse it and say Western culture is shit and the savages living in mud huts are the best.
More idealist garbage, this isn't getting us any colonies, son
>>600036 >we fucked their shit up Might makes. If western Europe didn't defend itself from the Ottomans, we would be crushed. It's incredibly hypocritical to blame the west for cultural domination when the cultures we "wronged" wanted to invade us just as much, but they couldn't, because they sucked at the conquest game.
>>600043 >I'm sure they were living in gleaming cities paved with gold before the eternal anglo & co arrived, Anon.
>Why is it so hard for you to accept that the West is truly exceptional, Anon? We have it better than most other cultures. Or perhaps you just want to reverse it and say Western culture is shit and the savages living in mud huts are the best.
That's what you fundamentally don't understand: you're judging your society as better with criteria created by said society. If your criteria of a good civilization/society/culture is "How good is religion X respected?" then your 'inherently superior' candidate doesn't qualify.
>More idealist garbage, this isn't getting us any colonies, son
Literally the biggest continuous (including colonies) landmass in the world was created due to the Communist Manifesto.
>>600050 >Might makes. So if I break into your house and kill you, I can steal all your shit?
> the cultures we "wronged" wanted to invade us just as much, but they couldn't Prove it?
>>600084 >So if I break into your house and kill you, I can steal all your shit?
You can, but hopefully society has an efficient authority to keep you from doing so. The concept of "world police" does the same for relations between states. It's unethical to sit by and watch backwards countries kill each other over ethnical and religious background, when we could intervene and put a stop to it. Unfortunately, violence isn't stopped by being warm and fuzzy.
So the royalty was having it great. If you think that's quality of life, then you must be just fine with the shit state Africa is in nowadays. After all, if El Presidente is living in luxury, the people must be fine.
>You can't judge your society as better with criteria created by said society
Yes, I can. I can clearly point at any tribe living in hovels and barely scraping a living with inefficient agriculture and shepherding and say that my society is better.
>Communist manifesto creates empire
I blame muh human nature :^)
>The west is evil, everyone else was peaceful and innocent
>>600139 >>600170 >Having it so good >So much better than living in my village, cultivating my farm >Because I know I'm of the inherently superior race >Even so I never met any other >Working 18 hours a day so that my country can ruin itself with expensive colonial ventures. >It's gonna be SO worth it when I die at 20!
The only way out of imperialism is if we decide to live in an anarchist self dependent society otherwise someone will always try to get something out of someone else. And trust me I see that shit a lot down here.
>>600189 How is having your own farm in your own village worse than
>We automatically mounted the machine gun for action. Then like animals we burrowed into the earth as if trying to find protection deep in its bosom. Something struck my back where I carried my gas mask, but I did not pay attention to it. A steel splinter broke the handle of my spade and another knocked the remains out of my hand. I kept digging with my bare hands, ducking my head every time a shell exploded nearby. A boy to my side was hit in the arm and cried out for help. I crawled over to him, ripped the sleeves of his coat and shirt open and started to bind the bleeding part. The gas was so thick now I could hardly discern what I was doing. My eyes began to water and I felt as if I would choke. I reached for my gas mask, pulled it out of its container – then noticed to my horror that a splinter had gone through it leaving a large hole. I had seen death thousands of times, stared it in the face, but never experienced the fear I felt then. Immediately I reverted to the primitive. I felt like an animal cornered by hunters. With the instinct of self-preservations uppermost, my eyes fell on the boy whose arm I had bandaged. Somehow he had managed to put the gas mask on his face with his one good arm. I leapt at him and in the next moment had ripped the gas mask from his face. With a feeble gesture he tried to wrench it from my grasp; then fell back exhausted. The last thing I saw before putting on the mask were his pleading eyes.
>You mean the one where you put everything at the same level and everyone is equal.
And by putting everyone on the same level, you mean judging them by the criterias you choose? How convenient!
>I hereby decide that all men smoking Winston Lights are inherently superior to everyone else. >Luckily my powerful friends who also smoke Winston Lights also agree and that magically make the system less stupid, flawed and biased.
>>600220 Because machineguns gave them better farms, Anon. It was all for them.
>Still insisting on putting everyone on the same level I'm gonna hire a couple of inexperienced, uneducated people to do the job that the qualified applicants were supposed to do. After all, they are inherently different and can't possibly be compared, but as I believe that everything and everyone is the same, I trust they'll do a fine job.
>"Even if you go 1,000 kilometers down this river, you won't see a single sign of development. When the whites left, we didn't just stay where we were. We went backwards."
>"When the Belgians and the Portuguese were here, there were farms and plantations — cashews, peanuts, rubber, palm oil. There was industry and factories employing 3,000 people, 5,000 people. But since independence, no Congolese has succeeded. The plantations are abandoned." Using a French expression literally translated as "on the ground," he adds: "Everything is par terre."
>"On this river, all that you see — the buildings, the boats — only whites did that. After the whites left, the Congolese did not work. We did not know how to. For the past 50 years, we've just declined." He pauses. "They took this country by force," he says, with more than a touch of admiration. "If they came back, this time we'd give them the country for free."
>>600236 >the eternal anglo tries to justify slaughtering defenseless and technologically disadvantaged tribes Meanwhile the Germans actually educated their colonial subjects and included them in the system of colonization.
>>600236 Imperialism didn't help anyone. It was not done to enlighten primitive subjects. It was done to increase the wealth of the subjugating nation. Technology would have disseminated without that exploitation, just like it has always disseminated, through trade, not empire.
>>600604 Not really, although most empires ended up contributing something positive to their colonies, even if it was unintended. And no one denies that atrocities were commited, unless they are severely delusional.
>>603659 >Siam >Not everyone's basic bitch Thailand only survived as a bufferzone between the English Raj and French Indochina.
>>603559 >China A bazillion unfair treaties, with bits straigth up carved from it and annexed. >Japan Opened up by force, took to European ideals most fiercly out of all the eastern powers. Forced to be passive cucks to the Americans after the end of WII >Korea Unfair treaties ala China, colonized by Japan who tried to emulate European Powers, all but vassalized by the Americans and the USSR.
>>603810 >with bits straigth up carved from it and annexed. The concessions were like just fucking cities on the coast. The great mass of China was (shakily) held by the Empire, and then the Republic + Warlords afterwards.
Hell, at times they were just bits of cities. Like the German colony of Qingdao.
>>603820 Sort of. It's fairly prosperous by the neighborhoods standards. Better then Vietnam, and Indonesia, way better than Burma, Laos, and Cambodia. Of it's neighbors, only Malaysia and VERY recently, China are doing better (for how long).
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