>>596692 Anarchist state is an oxymoron. This oxymoron isn't used except by people who don't know the first thing about anarchism. Do yourself a favor (if you really care to learn about it) and abandon this thread, and go read some anarchist writers: bakunin, kropotkin, etc. You won't get anything of value out of watching a bunch of arguing anonymous retards who also don't know shit about anarchism.
>>596692 Quite influential. Look of Revolutionary Catalonia, Rojava, Zapatista Army of National Liberation, the Paris Commune, just to name some the largest and most successful societies influenced by anarchism.
One could also make an argument that some hunter-gatherer tribes that exist are anarchist in structure.
>>597073 The fact that they ended in mob rule and mass terror shortly before being swallowed up by a nearby state is irrelevant. They formed a society with no government. The efficiency and stupidity of the system isn't up for debate, just their existence.
>>598280 It has *official* government, Somaliland regional government closely cooperating with the actual government, several religious islamic "republics"(defined as country without monarch, not in any other way) and roaming warbands based on tribal relations(so pretty much tribal states).
>>596692 >How influential has Anarchism been as a political movement? Very much. Before Marx, it was Proudhon the one that defined the outlines of the socialist critique of capitalism from an economic rather than merely ethical point of view. Indeed, one could say that Marx simply picked the ideas of anarchist authors and gave them an scholarly treatment into Das Kapital. After the Internationale fell out thanks to marxists and anarchists going at each other throats, the differences began to widen. You must also remember that back in the day, the term used for all these worker's movements was simply "socialism", since there was no clear schism between ideologies, which is why you have such ease for people to be loose in their doctrinal positions (Proudhon was a member of parliament, after all, something that would be heavily rejected by anarchists today). Long after that, during the XX century, you have the ukranian makhnovists and the CNT/FAI being the biggest referents for later anarchists. So yeah, anarchism is very much influential outside arts, punk trash and edgy teenagers.
>>600078 The anti-communist position I would predict will be either that socialism has a higher body count than capitalism. Which is absurd, because you are mixing a variety of often contradicting ideologies into a single soup just to have a point. Stalin, Mao and the Khmer Rouge, the heavy hitters of socialism, were all authoritarians that have little in common with people like Allende, who defended the constitution and the rule of the law until the end, even going as far as persecuting anti-goverment anarchist militias. If you compare bodycounts that way, I could also go and mix together colonial congo, rhodesia, colonial vietnam and other imperialist catastrophes with modern day germany and the United States just for the sake of making an spectacular, emotionally driven argument.
>>600125 >have little in common with people like Allende, who defended the constitution and the rule of the law until the end, even going as far as persecuting anti-goverment anarchist militias
Except that Allende openly admired Stalin and openly armed left-wing paramilitaries.
>I could also go and mix together colonial congo, rhodesia, colonial vietnam and other imperialist catastrophes with modern day germany and the United States
And there would still be less deaths than communism. With another difference, absolutely no one defended the Congo Free State, tens of thousands of intellectuals have defended dekulakization, the Cultural Revolution, etc
Which leads to the problem of anarchism as a political movement, and why it will always fail. Anarchists have several cultural positions that can only be enforced by a centralized state, such as feminism, anti-racism and pro-LGBT rights. The only kind of anarchy that is possible is anarcho-patriarchy, a society where political, cultural, social and economical power is in the hands of voluntary associations and civil institutions commanded by patriarchs, such as in the examples I posted above.
Such societies were decentralized, "feudal" by nature, and therefore also unequal. That's a feature, not a bug, and that's what made them great. Anarchism as a political movement is shit because it's basically useful idiots serving the expansion of the same central Power they claim to hate so much.
>>600138 >And there would still be less deaths than communism. The parody pic of communism's death count that has "capitalist" crimes has a higher death count if i'm not mistaken. Of course, both are retarded.
>>600149 Destalinization was in the 50s, Allende was President of Chile in the 70s, he knew Stalin crimes and admired him nonetheless.
Even today, a lot of people when they speak against Stalin, they only speak of the "Great Purge" and "Moscow Trials", absolute not a single left-wing writer or intellectual since the 1930s has ever condemned his greatest political and moral crime: dekulakization. That means the left do not regret it and would do it again if they had the chance.
>>600160 >>600167 To add to this: >El 7 de diciembre de 1956 tomó la palabra en el Senado para condenar la invasión soviética de Hungría y resaltar el histórico XX Congreso del PCUS, celebrado en febrero de aquel año, en el que Nikita Kruschev presentó su demoledor informe sobre los crímenes de Stalin. Entonces, como a lo largo de su vida con su acción política y su cuidada oratoria, Allende defendió “los conceptos humanistas y libertarios” del socialismo y el derecho a la autodeterminación de los pueblos. Translation: >On December 7, 1956 he [Allende] spoke in the senate to condemn the soviet invasion of hungary and highlight the historical XX Congress of the CPSU in February of that year, in which Nikita Khrushchev presented his damning report on Stalin's crimes. Then, as throughout his life with his political action and careful speech , Allende defended " humanist and libertarian concepts " of socialism and the right to self-determination of peoples.
>>600160 >Even today, a lot of people when they speak against Stalin, they only speak of the "Great Purge" and "Moscow Trials", absolute not a single left-wing writer or intellectual since the 1930s has ever condemned his greatest political and moral crime: dekulakization. That means the left do not regret it and would do it again if they had the chance.
Rojava is probably the closest thing we have in a contemporary setting.
They're implementing something that's pretty close to the Communalism envisioned by Murray Bookchin, although there are understandably constraints on what they can do as a result of the war they're mired in.
>>600789 I wonder how Rojava will play out once a solution is found to the Syria situation. My guess is they will be granted a profound amount of autonomy under whatever compromise government emerges in Syria.
>>596854 The entirety of Europe once Rome lost control over the western empire.
Modern day Iraq and Lybia, and Syria really.
Anarchy's almost always quickly descend into infighting between different tribal leaders (if you count the ariscotracy of early dark ages europe as tribal leaders, which, essentially they were) who gain power through wars.
>>604180 They did hear cases and make laws at the Althing, for example deciding that Iceland would become a Christian nation in 1000. It was also where the lawspeaker recited the law for others to memorize.
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