What television shows, films, books, etc... are the best example of bad history being portrayed as real history/accurate reenactments of history?
>pic fucking related what the fuck
Rome isn't that bad. It's actually pretty enjoyable and they at least manage to get the broad strokes right and the set design is top fucking notch and period accurate.
Agree about Vikings and most other historical fiction shows.
>they have samurai defeating vikings despite vikings having mail armor with katana getting over 100 kills in the simulation while viking spear gets fewer despite Japanese having no real armor
>Atilla defeats Alexander the Great
>Washington defeats Napoleon
>they put 15th century knight against 18th century pirate
>put up ming warrior against french musketeer
>comanche (with no firearms) defeats mongol
>they actually do an episode on zombies vs vampires
>treated as scientifically and historically accurate
>at least manage to get the broad strokes right and the set design is top fucking notch and period accurate.
No its not. See anything in Gaul. They portray them like German tribesmen, which is already a huge red flag that the rest of the show is an outdated cliche of antiquity.
>Switch to the "History" channel
>It's showing men who drive trucks on ice roads, for 3 hours
America, what are you doing?
Don't forget about the shows about pawn shops, Cajun aligator hunters and random people that live in the woods. History Channel is a disgrace. They should just change the name and let another channel use the History name.
Yes. There are other stupid ones too. But those are the ones I remember off the top of my head. It's fucking ridiculous.
Yeah it was accurate at times, especially as far as the speed of the timeline, but I wouldn't rate it among "worst".
The Spartacus tv show is absolute shit.
I've found it hard to enjoy Gladiator since I passed 16.
I just watched it for the ballistic gel gore to be honest
Kek, it was always so cringe worthy seeing the "professionals" trash talk each other. And hearing that dude in the middle count down "THREE TWOOOOOO ONE". and watching them get hyped like man children when the dumb pig carcass gets chopped by a blade or what have you
You can say that about any "historical" film but when it comes down to it, maybe 2% of people who see the movie are actually going to research it while the other 98% are going to perpetuate the myths and stereotypes of any given time period.
To be fair H2 and The Military Channel have been showing the same "old" History Channel content for years. Mainstream people just want to see truckers on ice, not gonna bash that show though, fuck that job. I just think it should be on Discovery instead, which is the History Channel, so I'm conflicted.
You forgot the part where they tested less-than-lethal weapons like tear gas and flashbangs and shit, and basically counted them as completely useless just because you couldn't kill someone with them.
H2 has started to go to shit in recent times. It's literally just backup History Channel now. Every time I go there it's literally OH WOW ALIENS or LOOK OUT FOR BIGFOOT type shit, with the very rare Hitler documentary.
>Washington beats Napoleon
America is the most powerful polity to have existed in human history and could likely extinguish life from the planet in a matter of hours.
so why the fuck are they so hysterically insecure about the slightest suggestion that they might not be #1 in every measurable aspect of existence
Jesus Christ Anon, Rome was more historically accurate than that theatrical ostentation. Try "The Caesars", a British production from the sixties. All six hour long episodes are on the Pootubes.
This show is funny as fuck
>shaolin monk v maori
>monk using martial arts, steel weapons
>maori using tribe clubs and shark teeth
>monk obviously wins
>"professional" maori historian guy "Bet that computer is Chinese"
"The Occult History of the Third Reich" is a very in-depth look at how psuedoscience, ethnic tensions, and general resentment contributed to the climate making Hitler's rise to power possible. I'd strongly recommend it.
If you're interested in the biography of Hitler specifically, don't waste your time with docus and cut straight to "Adolf Hitler" by John Willard Tolland. There's nothing in film that can really cover it as exhaustively as you'd need.
Well, you can't show America's favourite hero loosing aganist a Frenchie, even if that American hero is an incompetent general and the Frenchie is one of the most brilliant military minds of history.
Not one of the worst, and quite decent, actually. I like the fact that they don't show the Spanish Empire as "evil native killers", but the fact that they show the Mapuches as fucking Kratos is quite off-putting for me.
Lol that was hilarious, they got a pair of edgy goths for Vlad. And the host kept saying it was test of two leaders strategies, only to make them fight in the woods. Of course the guy with steel weapons, plate armour and a gun won.
This fucking bullshit
It's filled with outright lies and portrays the Indians as innocent noble savages.
>What television shows, films, books, etc... are the best example of bad history being portrayed as real history/accurate reenactments of history?
any movie set in ancient greece or egypt and all of the main characters are northern europeans.
My least favorite is 'white guy in a foreign land who is better than all of the natives'
I fucking loved Spartacus besides the first two-three episodes. It basically plays itself as a grandiose-pulply opera, lack of historical accuracy only irritates me when the show or film aesthetically or directly attempts to pass itself off as being such.
Ridiculous historical films/TV that make clear they are intensely fictionalized are A-OK in my book.
Deadliest Warrior really is comical though, I particularly always shook my head at the amusing way that each 'warrior' has some type of bizarro RPG skillset.
To me it seems kind of edgy and "WooOw d00d so br00tal", much abs, you know? But then again, somebody else can interpret that entire visual and auditory entertainment a completely different way, and it's different strokes for different folks.
The things you mention as being good or only slightly annoying usually bother the hell out of me (I only like two musicals, after all).
One question: How do they make it clear that they're highly fictionalized?
>those utterly shit not even vaguely accurate 'North Korean' uniforms
It legitimately gets pretty great, the first few episodes are some sub-300 hamming it up bro brutality like you said, but it goes in some interesting directions with its characters and has one of the best season finales I've probably ever seen. It was honestly was one of the better plotted shows on television. The thing really moves and doesn't way itself down with superfluous nonsense (like say, GoT). But, as with anything it will fit some tastes, and perhaps not yours.
As far as 'making clear they're fictionalized', I guess that's sort of muddy really. In the case of the Spartacus show, the whole aesthetic is over the top enough that it aptly communicates that it's pretty much a legendary retelling of events rather than a literal one. In other circumstances, it's just using a setting and inventing names, things like that.
So, I might love The Guns of Navarrone or Where Eagles Dare, even if those movies are ridiculous, because their very nature is pulpy silliness. Or you know, Kurosawa movies or Westerns use period settings but are only vaguely related to actual history more often than not.
It only really buttflusters me when a film uses real people and completely changes their personalities and so forth, which unfortunately you see all the damn time, and I'd say the more recent the history is the worse of a sin that becomes.
SIX FOOT EIGHT, WEIGHS A FUCKING TON
>underrated as fuck
>it weighed a lot and could challenge scale and heavy leather armor
This, they never take into account the nuances of certain weapons. For instance in the episode with Vlad the Impaler and Sun Tzu, when they were comparing the Chinese gentleman's sword and that xbox hueg curved thing Vlad had they just hacked at pigs and called Vlad the winner. Sure that thing could cleave a pig in half in one go, but while you were winding up the guy with the THRUSTING sword poked you in the lung and liver and bolted to another time zone.
The katana could whistle though meat like nobody's business but it didn't help much against a guy in proper armour
>The Last Samurai.
Japan should invent an armor and a light-saber technology.
>Norks just stand around like retards
>shoot durka style without stocks
>even though they almost always shoot first they never hit and murrican kills them with the first shot
>the one nork who magically shot american didn't really kill him and got exploded by him
10/10 would watch every day if I were a patriotic american
>Japanese having no real armor
I'm assuming the Samurai in the show was Sengoku period, in which case you're wrong. Samurai armor used iron lamellar/scale, and even a few steel cuirass examples (purchased from the Portuguese). Also ignore the fact that the Samurai fought much like the mongols, so a lone viking would be fucked (ashigaru spear wall >>> viking shield wall anyways) Katana thing is bullshit and would do fuckall to a viking but it wouldn't have been the primary weapon anyway
>Atilla defeats Alexander the Great
Assuming both fought in their stereotypical style, it would be a literal Carrhae
>Washington defeats Napoleon
Fucking hilarious considering even Washington considered himself a poor general. Typical dumb America wank for idiots who don't even know their own history.
>How do they make it clear that they're highly fictionalized?
When Sam Raimi is in the production staff. The same group of people that made Spartacus did Xena/Hercules and the Evil Dead films.
One thing I did think Spartacus actually did well was in the gladiators themselves. They actually named and announced the different styles when they fought and to my knowledge they were pretty close to how they are described (aesthetically)
Hmmm, alright. I gave up after the first two episodes...maybe I'll check out a bit more after, thanks to you. I do love me a good plot, even if I can't handle the fact that they fought to the death (which never happened in Spartacus's time).
And The Guns of Navarone and Force 10 from Navarone are two of my favorite movies!
Oh wow, did not know that.